Case in point where SR doesn't make sense: Digital TV

[moonrambler]

Sometimes I can really get into the SR idea, like in the thread 'Why can't I fly' and the concept that we can make anything happen as long as we can come up with a rational explanation for it.

I've been trying to 'manifest' my digital tv to work properly since the whole thing began. I can't wrap my mind around why I would create a new tv system that doesn't work right. Some stations break up, seemingly at random. Wind affects it, but sometimes the weather is fine and it still does it. It seems like this should be one of those things that is very easy to fix through IM. I don't know of any beliefs I have ever had about digital vs analog tv. It was supposed to be better than analog.

It usually works, at least as far as I know. When I want to watch something and it isn't working right, I decide it will sort itself out, because often it does. But often it doesn't.

[James81]

Things like TV and technology are actually things that sort of make you wonder if it *isn't* all a dream--to me at least.

For example, I know I push a button and the technology does whatever it's designed to do. Whatever happens between pressing that button and the result of pushing that button is a complete mystery to me.

I had a digital logic class in college, and we learned out to design a basic calculator. I knew the inputs for the nodes that made the calculator to the point where I could probably physically build one if I wanted to, but I still didn't understand the *why* that constructing a gadget in a certain way produces a certain result.

[Showtime]

What I usually do is 'create' a cable repair guy (by means of calling the cable company.)

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by Showtime

What I usually do is 'create' a cable repair guy (by means of calling the cable company.)

Well yeah, but that only works when a person has cable

[Angela]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

Sometimes I can really get into the SR idea, like in the thread 'Why can't I fly' and the concept that we can make anything happen as long as we can come up with a rational explanation for it.

I've been trying to 'manifest' my digital tv to work properly since the whole thing began. I can't wrap my mind around why I would create a new tv system that doesn't work right. Some stations break up, seemingly at random. Wind affects it, but sometimes the weather is fine and it still does it. It seems like this should be one of those things that is very easy to fix through IM. I don't know of any beliefs I have ever had about digital vs analog tv. It was supposed to be better than analog.

It usually works, at least as far as I know. When I want to watch something and it isn't working right, I decide it will sort itself out, because often it does. But often it doesn't.

This is such a wonderful metaphor for how you are about SR and perhaps I/M in general! I love it.

[st33med]

Keep asking why does this work this way for everything, including how does things that make things work, work.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by Angela

This is such a wonderful metaphor for how you are about SR and perhaps I/M in general! I love it.

Not helpful!

Originally Posted by st33med

Keep asking why does this work this way for everything, including how does things that make things work, work.

Ok, that's confusing to me!

Here's the thing. Yesterday when we were talking about creating situations to make desired events occur, I was thinking about my recent comments about how Facebook has dramatically improved my relationships with my family, and I got to thinking that here in my dream/movie, I created Facebook to answer that desire I had to become closer to my family.

If I had the power to create Facebook, I should have the power to make the digital tv work properly!

[Angela]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

Not helpful!

I'm sorry to hear that -- metaphors often help me get into an insightful state, and I find that just about every time I'm expressing a desire for clarity in some area, it's a metaphor or reflection of something my unconscious mind is presenting to me for clarification on a much deeper level.

Like dream symbols, you know? I approach a *problem* like I do a dream -- examining a situation the way I examine a dream.

[James81]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

Not helpful!



Ok, that's confusing to me!

Here's the thing. Yesterday when we were talking about creating situations to make desired events occur, I was thinking about my recent comments about how Facebook has dramatically improved my relationships with my family, and I got to thinking that here in my dream/movie, I created Facebook to answer that desire I had to become closer to my family.

If I had the power to create Facebook, I should have the power to make the digital tv work properly!

Did you create Facebook or did Facebook create you?

Think about it.

[Showtime]

Alright, I know I crack jokes about SR, but I remember Bashar saying something along the lines on:

"When we talk about believing in what you want, we are talking strictly about manifestation, we are not talking about you day to day routines like making a cup of tea"

In other words, the manifestation is good for "when the means aren't readily available," so it doesn't apply to making a cup of coffee because we already know how to do that. When it comes to a case of a messed up wireless connection, it's a lot easier to just Google an answer or call Linksys Tech Support. I mean, technically we "attracted" or "were attracted to" Google or the telephone.

And we didn't "dream up" Google, but we did co-create it. As mankind we all had a desire to have information more readily available, and if it weren't for that desire Google wouldn't be a successful company. So in that sense we did "create" it.

Satellite TV just occasionally breaks up. That's how it works. Sure we can ponder the fabric of reality and how our beliefs lead to our TV losing it's signal, but it would be a lot easier to just point the dish in a different direction or get Fios lol.

I love Dish Network, btw. I've only had a few rare instances where the signal broke up, and it was when it was snowing.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by Angela

Like dream symbols, you know? I approach a *problem* like I do a dream -- examining a situation the way I examine a dream.

Ok, I'll work with that some . . . like if I dreamed the tv signal wasn't coming in properly, what would that be telling me?

Originally Posted by James81

Did you create Facebook or did Facebook create you?

Think about it.

Yeah, that's possible too . . .

Originally Posted by Showtime

Alright, I know I crack jokes about SR, but I remember Bashar saying something along the lines on:

"When we talk about believing in what you want, we are talking strictly about manifestation, we are not talking about you day to day routines like making a cup of tea"

In other words, the manifestation is good for "when the means aren't readily available," so it doesn't apply to making a cup of coffee because we already know how to do that. When it comes to a case of a messed up wireless connection, it's a lot easier to just Google an answer or call Linksys Tech Support.

This is a situation where the means aren't readily available. I have a digital tv box. There isn't much of anything that can be done to fix a breaking-up signal. As you say here:

Satellite TV just occasionally breaks up. That's how it works.

And here is where I disagree, in the realm of SR. There wouldn't be an aspect of "That's just how it works" (or doesn't work). It simply would work, because that's what I have created. Why have I created a so-called improvement where now the signal is worse than it was with analog?

My entire life, a person could get free tv just by putting up an antenna. Now it's starting to look like eventually there won't be any free tv, because they dumped the analog signal and the free digital doesn't work all that well.

I love Dish Network, btw. I've only had a few rare instances where the signal broke up, and it was when it was snowing.

With Dish Network, I no longer would have free tv, and considering where I live, that broken-up signal might not be a rare event

[Angela]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

Ok, I'll work with that some . . . like if I dreamed the tv signal wasn't coming in properly, what would that be telling me?

Dream symbolism is personal, so I can't tell you what it means for you, but for me, I'd consider what is information or resources are being "broadcast" that I'm not "getting" -- that sometimes you get just fine but other times some channels just break up, seemingly at random.

What is it I need to let go of or generate that, if I were to let go of or generate it, all the resources I need and want are flowing easily and effortlessly.

[st33med]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

Ok, that's confusing to me!

My TV shows images.
Why?
Because the TV uses electricity to broadcast rays of light on my retina.
Why?
Because the TV uses a cathode ray tube to energize electrons to release photons of specific intensity that is needed through red, blue, and green filters.
Why?
Because quantum physics works that way.
Why?
...


It doesn't matter how it works unless it piques your interest in how it works. Same thing for a dream. You probably don't care how a dream items work as well unless you went in depth on purpose.

[ssandra]

Maybe it is the same as when you focus on manifesting money?

You say I need more money, I want more money = I don't have enough money, I am lacking money! So the universe gives you some more of what you are thinking about, which is, lack of money.

You say I want my tv to work! Want to watch this program and it is not working! I need it to work! = NOT WORKING DIGITAL TV (even in this thread you are talking about not working...). So the universe gives you what you are thinking about. More not working digital tv....

In SR you can substitute universe for yourself...

[Daffy Duck]

If reality is truly subjective, then I spend a ridiculous amount of time talking to myself.

[moonrambler]

Partly what I am wondering is why I would have created a situation like this in the first place. I wasn't thinking about the tv not working when they implemented this digital system.

There is a possibility I want to be right that analog is better . . .

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

Partly what I am wondering is why I would have created a situation like this in the first place. I wasn't thinking about the tv not working when they implemented this digital system.

There is a possibility I want to be right that analog is better . . .

You're getting confused because you're not taking into account subconscious beliefs. It is not your conscious beliefs that make up 99% of your reality, but your subconscious ones.

It doesn't matter if you have NEVER thought to yourself "Satellite TV is not as predictable as Cable". In fact, consciously you could have been all excited about Satellite TV and could have been "thinking" that it will be so much better than analog cable, and then still manifest crappy satellite tv. Why? Because it is our subconscious beliefs that manifest our reality.

Subconscious beliefs are programmed into us before we are even born, while in our mother's womb - as early as 18 weeks into pregnancy if I remember correctly.

While we are babies we absorb beliefs without even questioning them. Maybe you overheard your Dad bragging about how his new "cable" setup is much better than trying to pickup "air signals" while you were just a baby, or a kid or something. Or maybe you overheard someone else bitching about their crappy satellite dish reception problems and how unreliable they are.

Or the belief could have nothing to do with technology. It could be related to a belief like "I shouldn't watch so much TV, there are more important things to do" etc.

I emphasize again - we DO NOT have to be aware of a CONSCIOUS THOUGHT about something, in order to BELIEVE IT. Most beliefs are directly absorbed, bypassing the conscious thought process. That is how most advertising works nowadays. It targets the subconscious, not the conscious.

After all, you don't CONSCIOUSLY believe that by cracking open a bottle of beer that 20 bikini chicks are going to suddenly appear in your living room and have an awesome party with dancing and bouncing boobs right? There's no way they can consciously make you believe that drinking beer attracts hot bikini girls into your living room.

Subconsciously though, they've been programming that into our heads for years. I have never seen a beer commercial with a guy sitting on the couch at home, by himself, feeling depressed and then cracking open a can of beer, drinking it and feeling just as depressed as before except now he is maybe a little bit less thirsty and a bit more depressed. That is usually what happens in such a situation, but not according to commercials.

[Savage]

I think your SR is working perfectly. Who the heck would waste their time watching TV in an SR world? A wonky TV is a pointer to look at your true desires.

In SR you sometimes manifest pointers to your real desires, as opposed to what you ask for. I doubt you truly desire to watch more TV. That's a phony intention that's probably keeping you out of alignment with the really good stuff.

What would you rather experience than more TV time? Surely you can come up with something more interesting and exciting.

I got rid of my cable box a while back. Life is better w/o it.

[Gaia333]

This may or may not support you: but whenever electronics don't work or function in a way that is clearly impossible (I've had so many of those experiences) it's a sign from my Larger Self (expanded self etc etc) that I'm beginning to believe this world is real. And it doesn't begin to act "normally" until I adjust my focus, lighten up and remember I'm creating this. Perfect recent example: I was at a store & told my pin #s for my ATM cards was not valid. I use my cards all the time. They were valid yesterday. After moments of frustration over this (and other things going on on my life that I was taking so seriously) I calmed down, reminded myself I was creating all of this. And I tried the same pin # and it worked fine.

Not electronic related, but i've been trying to pop something into my reality and I've gotten pretty good at it. (yay!) but one thing (a particular job opportunity) will not come. I was a bit exasperated. Last night it hit me that that situation I wanted was still based on struggle (I want this so I will have security) and I noticed that the jobs being offered to me are more prestigious and pay far more than the one I was trying to manifest. I finally relaxed. Maybe (maybe) in your effort to fix your tv you've actually manifested something even better in it's place?

As i often say on this forum "ah heck. Isn't life grand?".

[moonrambler]

Subconscious beliefs are programmed into us before we are even born, while in our mother's womb - as early as 18 weeks into pregnancy if I remember correctly.

While we are babies we absorb beliefs without even questioning them. Maybe you overheard your Dad bragging about how his new "cable" setup is much better than trying to pickup "air signals" while you were just a baby, or a kid or something.

I don't really understand how this could work as early as 18 weeks into pregnancy when a baby doesn't have any language capability. The only possibility would be if the fetus learns to dislike the noise of the tv because half the time when noise comes on, the dad starts bitching. There'd be no concept of satellite or cable though.

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

I think your SR is working perfectly. Who the heck would waste their time watching TV in an SR world? A wonky TV is a pointer to look at your true desires.

In SR you sometimes manifest pointers to your real desires, as opposed to what you ask for. I doubt you truly desire to watch more TV. That's a phony intention that's probably keeping you out of alignment with the really good stuff.

What would you rather experience than more TV time? Surely you can come up with something more interesting and exciting.

I got rid of my cable box a while back. Life is better w/o it.

I don't have any problem with watching tv now and then. If I've had a very long busy day where I've been reading medical studies and writing about them and I feel brain-fried, an hour of tv is relaxing. There's also an aspect that I like watching pro football with friends, and it's nice to be able to do it here sometimes, but nobody's going to want to watch it here if the signal is breaking up when the QB throws for a touchdown.

And, I don't have a cable box, or satellite. I haven't had a cable box since . . . well, I don't actually remember the last time I had cable service. This is just the basic antenna system. Which worked fine when it was analog

[kenny r]

I'm glad you finally said it b/c many assumed you were talking about cable, or satellite! You're talking about plain old BROADCAST digital tv, that comes into your house with at standard VHF/UHF antenna.

That's the only tv reception I have, too, since canceling cable 2 years ago. And I have the same trouble! It's crazy!

The slightest breeze interrupts the signal. As does...
Any airplane or helicopter.
A car driving by outside.
Turning on a light switch in another room!
Running water in the kitchen sink.
The water to the fridge when it makes ice cubes.

When old analog tv had interference the picture would snow but DTV shuts completely off. First the sound cuts out (usually right on the most important phrase of news or dialog!), then the picture glitches out.

What this made me think of is how many things in our lives are giving off some kind of energy or wave. EVERYTHING is waves! And they're all overlapping like nuts. If they were visible we probably couldn't even see clearly in some areas.

@Steve tv is still interesting to me because of my interest in filmmaking and visual storytelling. Same as movies. And as I learn to create a fuller and richer life I will probably watch less and less tv. I'd rather be making movies than watching them, but that's a work in progress. Until then, watching is learning.

[moonrambler]

Yeah, kenny, I forget that everyone else on the planet has cable or satellite, except for me . . . and you I assumed when I was griping about digital vs analog, somebody would know what I meant! I don't remember anyone going on about digital vs analog until they switched the entire system over to digital last year.

A couple friends have told me their cable systems get a little glitchy sometimes since the switch as well.

[moonrambler]

Last night I was thinking that maybe the whole digital tv scenario really is more like a dream than reality. I don't think electronics professionals would set up a system where when the signal drops off, there'd be an extremely low-budget screen saver popping up around the screen announcing "weak signal," "audio only," or "no program" Especially since there's never an instance when there actually is audio only.