About subjective reality

[Wabi-sabi]

Before I read the newspaper, of course, I first need to write the newspaper and prior to that I need to create all the people and events that I write about.

This morning I was lazy and just invented all the stories without the creation of the world part, so if you suddenly disappear today, I'm sorry. Maybe I will create you again tomarrow.

The only thing that might save you is I created this post and I created you in order to read it. The rest of the world may look a little strange today though.

[Wabi-sabi]

Or..... Maybe it was you who created me today?

Creating your own reality (or being a part of someone else's created reality) can get confusung sometimes.

Or..... Maybe we created each other today?

If you created me, please, I want to live again tomarrow. Thanks.

[TechnoGuyRob]

Or...maybe humans are simply more optimized determined by how their brain approaches a problem, rather than the actual facts about the problem? The subjective reality isn't meant to be as an actual fact that we are changing the world by thinking about it. It is a suggestion and a recognition. If one suggests to one's brain and even recognizes it as so, then the part where it might be coming in is a creation of behavioral changes, which, in turn, lead to your desired outcome. The definition of "subjective" reality, and the reason it has "subjective" in it, means that's how one views the world, not how it actually is (but, of course, how it actually is is no concern to you, because to you the actual world is your subjective construction).

Of course, it can be likened to prayer. If you pray that you will be able to make an extra $1,000 this month, then regardless of prayer, intention, or any other conscious desire, you will still unconsciously (or perhaps less consciously) strive for that goal. So, even if you don't make an extra $1000 that month, but you do in six months, that will probably be because you strived for the accomplishment regardless of any prayer or intention. Of course, you are likely to construe your extra $1000 as a result of a reality you created by thinking about making the $1000. However, note that it took six months. Thus, you attributing it to that sixth month, but not any months before it; literally, throwing away any knowledge that doesn't model your desired reality (e.g., prayer or intention will create this achievement for me).

In other words, prayer or intention might affect your behavior, and hence, the outside universe. However, it will (obviously) not plainly initiate the result into your reality. It is a tool, one that can work extremely well if used properly, but a crane won't build a skyscraper on its own.

EDIT: One thing that's really tricky about this is that you must convince yourself you are able to consciously affect your reality. Thus, you can't be tempted to doubt it or adopt some other view of reality, or it might lose its effect. Literally, you must convince your brain something is true, then forget you merely convinced your brain so (and never actually derived so). Thus, if someone adapting a subjective reality claims "No, no, this isn't changing my behavior and then changing you. My construstivist thoughts are literally, no-doubt-about-it creating you.", then there's the catch-22 that there's no way they couldn't claim that, or else their subjective reality viewpoint would be useless. So, it probably wouldn't be too wise to concern yourself with people (that is, regarding this specific subject) who actually claim to be changing the universe through an intention or desire, because they must claim, and must believe it. Otherwise, it wouldn't be "subjective", and it wouldn't be an "intention".

[Dolazy]

Originally Posted by Wabi-sabi

Before I read the newspaper, of course, I first need to write the newspaper and prior to that I need to create all the people and events that I write about.

This morning I was lazy and just invented all the stories without the creation of the world part, so if you suddenly disappear today, I'm sorry. Maybe I will create you again tomarrow.

The only thing that might save you is I created this post and I created you in order to read it. The rest of the world may look a little strange today though.

I know I find it frustrating as well. I don't believe in a subjective reality because I cannot accept that other people are not real.

Steve Pavlina writes that a subjective reality is necessary for the intention/manifestation model. Suppose that two people intend to become the next president of the US. Even if they both would have 100% faith, there would still be only one president. So it seems that only subjective reality supports intention/manifestation.

But I believe in the Abraham Hicks model of reality. This theory says that we are all contributing to the expanding creation of this universe. And this universe is not an illusion, it's real.

If you wanted to become president of the US, then Abraham would ask you why you want it. And by answering that you would uncover the essence of your desire and that would be manifested. So it could turn out that you don't become president but that you create a situation where you have a very similar position.

[Wabi-sabi]

In 100% pure subjective reality, it would mean I wrote all the classics and created all the great works of art (do they have these things in the world you created?). And the scientific acheivements. Man!

My ego is really into all of this. I am truely the greatest being that ever lived (in my world anyway).

[TechnoGuyRob]

Wabi-Sabi, read my earlier post. You're misinterpreting the nature of subjective reality.

I really enjoyed your 5th Symphony though when you created it by creating Beethoven. Quite a work.

[Wabi-sabi]

Originally Posted by Dolazy

Steve Pavlina writes that a subjective reality is necessary for the intention/manifestation model. Suppose that two people intend to become the next president of the US. Even if they both would have 100% faith, there would still be only one president. So it seems that only subjective reality supports intention/manifestation.

Two people could not possibly occupy the same world. They each have their own worlds and they each are the president in it.

At least that's how it works over here in my world.

[Wabi-sabi]

Originally Posted by TechnoGuyRob

I really enjoyed your 5th Symphony though when you created it by creating Beethoven. Quite a work.

I am confused. How did my symphony somehow find its way into your reality. Or did I just create you in order to admire my symphony.

Thanks for the compliment though. Would you like another tune by Beethoven?

[Dolazy]

Originally Posted by Wabi-sabi

Two people could not possibly occupy the same world. They each have their own worlds and they each are the president in it.

At least that's how it works over here in my world.

Yep, that's what I was trying to say. Maybe I was too brief.

[Wabi-sabi]

It occurred to me today that since I am the creator of my world, I can just go to the bank and collect all the money there. So, that's what I did. I first uncreated the police of course. Then I realized, since I created everything, then everything is mine and money is about the most useless thing I ever created. So there is no more money over here. Then I thought, why did I create all these people (traffic was bad)? So I got rid of everyone except my friends and family. Life is now so much simplier. I have found that uncreating stuff is just as satisfying as creating stuff. You should all try it unless you were one of my uncreations today. In that case, ooops!

I guess you only live because I created you to read all this nonsense.

Edit later in the day:
Weird, I just realized, this was an illusion that never really happened.

[Wabi-sabi]

Just a couple of minutes ago, I was knocking around in my reality when an Angel appeared. I tried to uncreate it as best I could. I even squinted and clinched my butt cheeks, but I couldn't get it to uncreate. This is my reality, it should be gone I was thinking.

He just said, "Wabi-sabi, you are a great and wise sage but this subjective reality stuff is the dumbest thing you have ever come up with. You don't live in subjective reality, you live in Spiritual Reality".

"But look at all the stuff I created. I have lots of money, the house, cars, all the neat stuff, family and friends. I truely have a good life", I said.

"You created?", he said with a big grin. "Your prayers are answered but only in accordance with Devine Order, Spiritual Law, not your every whim". Then he left.

All of a sudden I started to look at my intensions and affirmations as prayer, and I felt at peace and had a sudden awareness that "my manifestations" came from a Loving Devine Source that was only looking out for my good and not some mechanical "source energy" I needed to learn to control. I'm not all alone here in my reality, I have all my brothers and sisters here. It's really cool.

Happened just a couple of minutes ago. Weird story.

The wise sage

[Erki]

What are you trying to tell us?

[micth]

There's only one concept about subjective reality i can't grasp... so, there's only one consciousness, and I (or you) are the only one that is conscious. Well, everyone says they're conscious right? I know I'm conscious, i can guarantee it. But then, if someone else says they're conscious, doesn't one of us have to be wrong? If everyone in the world proclaims that they are conscious, isn't only 1 person right?

I think the problem in this is that I'm approaching this from and objective reality perspective, but I just can't find a solution

[tgl]

Wabi-sabi rules!

[Wabi-sabi]

Originally Posted by micth

There's only one concept about subjective reality i can't grasp... so, there's only one consciousness, and I (or you) are the only one that is conscious. Well, everyone says they're conscious right? I know I'm conscious, i can guarantee it. But then, if someone else says they're conscious, doesn't one of us have to be wrong? If everyone in the world proclaims that they are conscious, isn't only 1 person right?

I think the problem in this is that I'm approaching this from and objective reality perspective, but I just can't find a solution

Looks like you created a world full of a bunch of liars if others are claiming to also be conscious.

Just kidding. All in an attempt to see if the forum had any sort of a sense of humor. We certainly are a serious bunch.

To believe reality is either subjective or objective is like believing reality is either all white or all black. I think reality is subjective and objective and the entire rainbow in between.

The wise sage

[calicles]

Hi Micth,
another answer is that no one is lying. Everybody is consious in the sense that everyone has the same consciousness.
I think Steve said something along the lines of "You are not your body+mind". You are actually everyone else too.