How you supposed to maintain the faith?

[nicbrahms]

Originally Posted by Tom Booth

I'm going to wax philosophical for a moment.

It is hard for me to say whether I believe in God or not. I suppose that might be called agnostic, though I'm not set on being "agnostic".

When first determining to begin "experimenting" with "Manifesting" or "Creative Visualization" I suppose at the root of it all, my basic motivation was to come to grips with the issue - is there a God?

Setting aside "technique" and "method" as far as what works or what doesn't in LOA... I've sometimes felt as though I were playing cat and mouse with "God".

That is,...

When it "works", it really seems to me sometimes that it works due to some reason other than technique or method, and so also when it doesn't work. Like I am merely a child who has, shall we say, learned to climb out of the crib. Sometimes I'm allowed to run around and create havoc, sometimes I reach for something and someone gives me help, sometimes I'm put back into the crib... but I'm hardly aware of the "parents" watching over me all the while.

In other words.

"God" or no "God" in whatever way anyone understands that term... It seems logical that if LOA does work, then the world is very different from "physical" i.e. mind or thought is influencing "matter" or "Reality" is dreamlike...

Well, if thought or mind creates reality then there seems to be at least the possibility that there are much more advanced BEINGS capable of much higher functioning on a "spiritual" level than I. And, more than likely, such beings are interested and involved in either assisting or hampering my efforts, or letting me alone... as a parent might let a child alone to take its first steps but ready to catch him if he should fall... which is inevitable.

What are these "higher" more "advanced" beings ? Guardian Angels ? God ? Masters ? Spirit Guides ?...

Can't say that I know for sure.

One thing seems certain to me however, and that is that if I am advancing, there must surely have been others who are now much further along.

It seems probable that they are more "in control" of the process at times than I am. Sometimes assisting my faltering efforts, sometimes letting me learn through failure, or allowing me to succeed through my own efforts - similar to how any parent would assist a child to take its first steps - with the eventual goal of having that child gain the strength to walk on its own.

So... how does that relate to your post ?

I think there is a purpose to all this, but I do not think that the purpose is to know that our "parents" or "God" is watching over us and taking care of us and that we are virtually powerless to do anything anyway so lets just be content lying in our cribs knowing we are loved and that "God" or whatever is taking care of us and will bring us a bottle.

If we are, as it is said "Children of God", then sooner or later, we have to grow up. At least TRY to "walk" on our own... and keep trying,... no mater how many times we falter or fail and fall down.

Growing up is not particularly easy. There are failures, bumps, bruises, skinned knees and spilled milk, but having been born, we can't go back to the comfort of the womb either.

Contrary mon ami, less doing and more being is my motto.

Creating from a place of love instead of ego is key.

I have done and done and done, now I choose to be and only do what is inspired or love led. I am the happiest I have ever been.

And there is no better way to be than to live in the grace of God, because at the crux of it all, there is only God and God is love.

This is what I have chosen, not giving up or laying back doing nothing on purpose. My life journey has rendered me to this place and so I don't resist it, I accept it for I know all is well and all I have asked for is already given. I acccept all and love all.

Peace.

[nicbrahms]

Originally Posted by Ingenius

All that... you know from the books or you have had the experience of it? It is not enough to believe it if you don't live it.

At this point of my own learning process, I'm pretty sure that nothing that I read will help unless I experience it from the inside, otherwise it is just another cult, blind faith.

I'm guessing you're in that exact situation, so my advice is stop reading and do the work for yourself: explore, ask and learn from living your life. Someone pointed out in these forums that adopting a stance of "not knowing" is a good starting point, and it sounds like good advice. Maybe it is not about knowing more, but knowing less that will help.

You only need yourself, there is no "higher self" as an entity out there, don't try to apply the theory straight away, question it and check if it is "true", then you will have proof and there won't be much faith needed.

I hope this helps in some way,

Daniel.

My dear Daniel, you take book learnings to literally, I just like saying it, its funny.

Everything is experiential, I have had insights as all of us have, seen things, experienced things, been to the depths of suffering and had my self realisations.

I have now through all I have experienced arrived at this place of knowing about my faith in Source/God.

I am forever learning as we all are, however if you read any of my thousands of posts you will see my journey has been an eye and heart opening one.

I am at a good place of acceptance and peace and love, its a good place to be.

Peace and love to you.

[nicbrahms]

Originally Posted by SethWilliams

Nic! Cant you see, your making it worse.

Circumstances dont matter, only state of being matters.

Why is life so crap, I dont know Nic? But something tells me you "know" why your life is the way it is.

Love Seth

No my dear, I am making it better, infinitely better.

And its all good.

A girls gotta have her moments, its more authentic that way.

[inri]

Originally Posted by nicbrahms

No my dear, I am making it better, infinitely better.

And its all good.

A girls gotta have her moments, its more authentic that way.

As ever...you are an inspiration!!

I've thoroughly enjoyed following along with your posts and insights....You appear to me as a true example here of someone who simply 'flows' with her experience and demonstrates an eloquent acceptance of it all...including your rare little stints into the ♥♥♥♥♥ pile!

More and more I'm getting it that 'acceptance' of it ALL...that which is perceived as good, bad and ugly, is the path that leads to the highest level of joy.

don't you find that even a dip into a lower vibration can be experienced as okay....actually 'perfect' when approached with the mind-set of acceptance? And the complete acceptance of it then transforms it almost instantly to a higher level?

[nicbrahms]

Originally Posted by inri

As ever...you are an inspiration!!

I've thoroughly enjoyed following along with your posts and insights....You appear to me as a true example here of someone who simply 'flows' with her experience and demonstrates an eloquent acceptance of it all...including your rare little stints into the ♥♥♥♥♥ pile!

More and more I'm getting it that 'acceptance' of it ALL...that which is perceived as good, bad and ugly, is the path that leads to the highest level of joy.

don't you find that even a dip into a lower vibration can be experienced as okay....actually 'perfect' when approached with the mind-set of acceptance? And the complete acceptance of it then transforms it almost instantly to a higher level?

Exactly beautiful Inri, you have it in a nutshell.

When you can accept it all and look forward to all your reality shows you with complete love then you are where you are supposed to be.

Living from your heart and feeling and knowing the only thing that matters is love, cause God is love, once you are love, you are pure source energy, and its the perfect place where all you could dream of exists effortlessly.

Peace as always

[SethWilliams]

Originally Posted by nicbrahms

No my dear, I am making it better, infinitely better.

And its all good.

A girls gotta have her moments, its more authentic that way.

Good to hear.

As always, wishing you happiness and love,

Seth

[cortocabezas1111]

Originally Posted by Ingenius

All that... you know from the books or you have had the experience of it? It is not enough to believe it if you don't live it.

At this point of my own learning process, I'm pretty sure that nothing that I read will help unless I experience it from the inside, otherwise it is just another cult, blind faith.

I'm guessing you're in that exact situation, so my advice is stop reading and do the work for yourself: explore, ask and learn from living your life. Someone pointed out in these forums that adopting a stance of "not knowing" is a good starting point, and it sounds like good advice. Maybe it is not about knowing more, but knowing less that will help.

You only need yourself, there is no "higher self" as an entity out there, don't try to apply the theory straight away, question it and check if it is "true", then you will have proof and there won't be much faith needed.

I hope this helps in some way,

Daniel.

Daniel makes an excellent point of adopting the stance of "not knowing". Self honesty is a huge thing. If you don't know, you don't know and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Saying " I don't know" isn't going to hinder any "manifestation" or anything. It's such a relief when you can just exhale the stress and admit that you just don't know. Feels great, actually!

[marianna9351]

Originally Posted by Showtime

lol @ quadrpuple posting

But yea, I think you know a decnt amount about this stuff from what I've read from you, but you technically don't need to have faith. Faith is an emotional state. Happiness, Love, Gratitude, are all vibrationally way higher than Faith. Remember: LoA is responding to vibration, not your specific thoughts. The specific thoughts and Faith are just helpful in setting up the vibration.

The subject of your manifestation is obviously of importance to you and while that's good (more exciting when it comes) it's also bad (moe frustrating while you're waiting.) So by saying "this is the only subject that I'll feel anything about," I think you're unneccesserally beating yourself over the head.

You just want to feel good as much ass possible during the day. The universe isn't sitting out there like "huh?? I don't know what she wants! She stopped thinking about it" It's responding to your vibration. So if thinking about your manifestation makes you feel good, do it. If thinking about puppies makes you feel good, do it. If thinking about last night's South Park makes you feel good, do it. And that **** will show up so fast that it will tear your socks off. Manifestations are more fun when they're kind of a suprise anyway (in my opinion.)

So basically in regards to LOA, if I am wondering for example how and when it is going to happen, the universe doesn’t hear this, it responds to my vibration. Even if this is on my mind through out the day, as long as my vibration is high I still have a good chance of manifesting (despite thinking of how and when). If the original poster or anyone else can answer, it would be appreciated. I believe I know the answer, but just want to be sure. Thanks

[Tom Booth]

Originally Posted by marianna9351

So basically in regards to LOA, if I am wondering for example how and when it is going to happen, the universe doesn’t hear this, it responds to my vibration. Even if this is on my mind through out the day, as long as my vibration is high I still have a good chance of manifesting (despite thinking of how and when). If the original poster or anyone else can answer, it would be appreciated. I believe I know the answer, but just want to be sure. Thanks

Personally I'm of the opinion that thinking about "how and when it is going to happen" is a subtle affirmation that it hasn't arrived.

I seemed to get the best response when I visualized fully once and then "forgot" about it.

BTW. has anyone heard from nicbrahms ?

[echolab]

Originally Posted by Tom Booth

Personally I'm of the opinion that thinking about "how and when it is going to happen" is a subtle affirmation that it hasn't arrived.

I seemed to get the best response when I visualized fully once and then "forgot" about it.

BTW. has anyone heard from nicbrahms ?

last post on 11/6...i hope she is ok

[Okay]

Nic,

If you're flagging in faith or energy or anything--I wanted to remind you that you might want to re-examine your own channeled writings. Anca, I believe, was the name of your source? Well, I recently found that thread and am very inspired by it. There are so many things in there that can be gleaned and put to use--- from the green-light money meditation to the understanding about proper and effective manifesting-- wow, it feels pure and real. I don't know if you've continued that channeling or not but why leave it to linger on a thread... why not put those writings together...add more...consider a book?

I find it interesting that after producing such powerful channeling you start losing faith. But I understand. We all slip on the ice and get thrown. All part of growth. Strange though, isn't it? A certain "ruined perfection" as Chuang Tzu may have put it.

Read those again. I feel like that "no-dimension" really is speaking out to us there. Reminding us. Funnily, it's a call to action and a reassurance to relax. Quite lovely Nic. Like you.