Help! I'm still a little skeptical.

[Andrew Gubb]

How do I heal this?

I was reading Erin's blog post, "Rochie", and there was this bit:

I know the skeptics out there will say this is just a coincidence and that I was looking for a sign. And I know the believers out there got chills when I mentioned who the email was from. That’s all that needs to be said really.

When I read it, I saw very clearly where I was. Exactly in the middle. Some part of me still says "it might have been just a coincidence, this doesn't explain anything".

This is a really annoying part of my mind, seeing as I know, intuitively and through some pretty convincing logic, that subjective / bendable reality is real. But some part of me still doubts. Still demands incontrovertible proof. After this year and a half of synchs and wierd stuff going on, somehow I still wanna reality-filter it out. I've come to the point where I'm basically downplaying reality to continue with my old beliefs.

Which I want to clarify, AREN'T my beliefs. They feel literally like someone else's. It's just a gramophone record that keeps on playing in my mind, long after I'm interested in hearing it.

And it's blocking some of my LoA efforts, so... help?

[Cyn]

Sounds sort of like part of your mind is keeping all of your limiting beliefs. How in the world did you manage to push them to a section of your mind?

Anyway, try saying that it's reasonable to believe that a reality a bit more bendable than what most are used to MAY be real without undisputed proof. After all, if EVERYTHING needed hard proof to exist, then our world will be down quite a few things.

Hope this helps

[kenny r]

What would happen to your inner skeptic if you asked for a sign and got a response that could not be chalked up to coincidence?

[Andrew Gubb]

Originally Posted by kenny r

What would happen to your inner skeptic if you asked for a sign and got a response that could not be chalked up to coincidence?

No idea, to be honest I think I've seen things in my life which couldn't be chalked up to coincidence already. But somehow my mind has a way of downplaying those things.

I've seen telepathy clearly demonstrated in my life, though it doesn't happen every day, for instance. I've spoken to a dead person and he told me something I couldn't have gotten out of nowhere, later confirmed by another.

What else. Some sort of terribly obvious synchronicity? I get numbers and stuff but sort of when my mind surrenders a bit. Come on, I must have had something else that was good. Oh yeah. My "christmas present". A friend of mine had a vision of a christmas present for me and a woman dressed in red. Then on christmas eve, in the most absurdly unlikely place possible I met a high consciousness lady and started a relationship with her.

That's pretty hard to write off as coincidence.

[Andrew Gubb]

Originally Posted by Cyn

Sounds sort of like part of your mind is keeping all of your limiting beliefs. How in the world did you manage to push them to a section of your mind?

Anyway, try saying that it's reasonable to believe that a reality a bit more bendable than what most are used to MAY be real without undisputed proof. After all, if EVERYTHING needed hard proof to exist, then our world will be down quite a few things.

Hope this helps

Hmm, thanks.

[aabbcc]

Manifestations usually occur in completely ordinary ways and, often, so do the signs we look for that tell us what we have intended is on its way. If it is a coincidence, does it really matter? As long as it gives us positive emotions and that feeling of *knowing* our intention is manifesting, that is what's important. If you choose to think of it as a coincidence, you might end up blocking what you are intending. It's a choice, I guess. I choose to think positively and know that this will benefit me. I choose to feel good and be optimistic.

[kenny r]

Wow. I figured you must have had those kinds of experiences (just from what I've gleaned on these boards), and usually when those things happen people I've known lose doubt...1st hand experience is very convincing!

You mentioned feeling like that aspect is not even "you". Could you be picking up that vibe from "someone" else, you know, energetically or something?

[Andrew Gubb]

Originally Posted by kenny r

Wow. I figured you must have had those kinds of experiences (just from what I've gleaned on these boards), and usually when those things happen people I've known lose doubt...1st hand experience is very convincing!

You mentioned feeling like that aspect is not even "you". Could you be picking up that vibe from "someone" else, you know, energetically or something?

Well, i suspect it's something i learned from my father. for him anyone with opposing beliefs to him is a complete idiot and the only way to feel like i had love from him was to agree with his viewpoints. breaking out of that was quite hard and i guess i still have resistence.

I just had a telepathy moment now actually. thought of my girlfriend and just a moment later i get a text message from her.

it was a bit of a struggle to dig up those things from memory.. see how much i resist this? but it seems to be good for me, if this telepathy moment meant anything at least. but yeah it feels good for me. i think i'll try writing up all the fuzzy reality moments i've had here as i manage to think of them. that should help things.

[TiffyLove]

I would love to lose all doubt, so if you find something that works for you.

Please share!

Heck, I would just like to have some of the experiences you have had. I haven't experienced nothing "out of the norm" to help me believe at all. Although I do, but would love to be rid of that nasty thing "doubt".

[kenny r]

When I have fuzzy reality incidents (FRIs), my logical mind knows to defer and say, "I cannot explain that, therefore I must accept there is more than I know going on. I'm cool with that."

It's experiential. Doubt still lingers, but it's fading as more and more FRIs happen. If I eventually achieve consistent intuition and conscious OBEs it will go a long way bridging the gap between doubt and knowing.

[cylon]

Doubt is not the problem.

Confirmation is the problem.

Once you have confirmation, your doubt is replaced by "omg, wtf is going on here? I can really control my experience?"

Once you get confirmation you move into a different world.

And this is the world of having your desires manifest almost instantly.

The real trick is how long you can handle having your desires manifest instantaneously, and not trying to think them away... wish them away. Wish you didn't have this power. Your power will, and SHOULD, disturb you (at first). If you aren't disturbed by your results, you aren't having any results. Your results should completely destroy your previous model of reality.

You can't have confirmation of LOA without, at the same time, being absolutely shocked and bewildered at your own power. This is the difference between intellectual wondering, and visceral knowing.

Once it happens, once you see it-- you can't turn back.

When you can't turn back, you must navigate this new world with (seemingly) no compass.

Once you can navigate this new world without your compass, and are fine with the wonderful and bizarre things that happen as a result, then you can move on.

Evidence will overtake you. But it might be too much. You must be prepared. You must be willing to have nothing remain as it was before.

You must be prepared for your world to turn upside down. Your world WILL turn upside down. Nothing will be the same.

When you see your world turn upside down, only then can you decide which way you're going to go.

"Is this really happening?" Yes. It is.

If you are not unsettled by your own manifestations, you can move forward.

If you are freaked out by your manifestations.... it's going to take some time.

[kenny r]

Originally Posted by cylon

You can't have confirmation of LOA without, at the same time, being absolutely shocked and bewildered at your own power.

Can't I anticipate for that and take it in stride? If I know it's gonna be mind blowing, can't I just assume that it's gonna be beyond whatever I can imagine now and just be ok about that? Of course, that's still just intellectualizing, not experiencing.

[RomanHD]

Originally Posted by cylon

Doubt is not the problem.

Confirmation is the problem.

Once you have confirmation, your doubt is replaced by "omg, wtf is going on here? I can really control my experience?"

Once you get confirmation you move into a different world.

And this is the world of having your desires manifest almost instantly.

So how can one get a confirmation and move into a different world?

[SethWilliams]

Originally Posted by kenny r

Can't I anticipate for that and take it in stride? If I know it's gonna be mind blowing, can't I just assume that it's gonna be beyond whatever I can imagine now and just be ok about that? Of course, that's still just intellectualizing, not experiencing.

I dont think you can just be okay with having your life be turned upside down.

You can try, i guess. But i dont think you can anticipate it either. IF you try to anticipate it, it wont happen. It will happen when your not looking and take you by surprise.

[cylon]

Originally Posted by RomanHD

So how can one get a confirmation and move into a different world?

By being open to having a confirmation. If you get one, you'll know.

Doubting it will ever happen, probably not the way to go though.

[cylon]

Originally Posted by SethWilliams

I dont think you can just be okay with having your life be turned upside down.

You can try, i guess. But i dont think you can anticipate it either. IF you try to anticipate it, it wont happen. It will happen when your not looking and take you by surprise.

Not at first. I mean if things are happening in your life that are completely different than your usual experience, it's going to take some adjustment. And sometimes it's just plain weird.

You build a tolerance though, it gets easier each time a situation that goes beyond belief happens to you. But you can't really plan for it, you can only react to it once it's happened. Because it's not something you think about, it's something you experience.

I think this video describes what I'm talking about pretty well:

YouTube - Astonished Follow-Up: Holding Your Will Still By unASLEEP

[SethWilliams]

Originally Posted by cylon

Not at first. I mean if things are happening in your life that are completely different than your usual experience, it's going to take some adjustment. And sometimes it's just plain weird.

You build a tolerance though, it gets easier each time a situation that goes beyond belief happens to you. But you can't really plan for it, you can only react to it once it's happened. Because it's not something you think about, it's something you experience.

I think this video describes what I'm talking about pretty well:

YouTube - Astonished Follow-Up: Holding Your Will Still By unASLEEP

Thank you for the video Cylon. IT added to my vibration for the day.

I know what you mean, ive been at this for a few good years, but still when something really outrageously weird happens, i still find myself going "Wooaah..."

Love Seht

[Daffy Duck]

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

When I read it, I saw very clearly where I was. Exactly in the middle.

Is that okay? Ya know, the best part of an Oreo is exactly in the middle.

[kenny r]

Originally Posted by SethWilliams

I dont think you can just be okay with having your life be turned upside down.

But if upside down from where you were is any kind of improvement, wouldn't it be no big deal? Maybe less so for certain people? For example, for some people scary movies are fun and entertaining and other people would freak out.

It's probably impossible now for me to imagine how strange and weird it will be, since it's probably beyond whatever the weirdest thing I could think of.

But let's say I suddenly began to float, that would be very weird. What if that happened? For a minute I would probably freak out, but the idea of breaking one of the most rigid "rules" of physical reality would be fun and exciting, even if weird.

[cylon]

When I talked about being upside down, I was explaining what it feels like when your world starts behaving differently than you're used to. I found it (and still do) a bit unsettling.

One thing I know is that if your model of reality is fundamentally transformed in a very short amount of time, a part of you (probably ego) is going to work very hard to undo what had just happened and get you back on your previous track.

If you are completely fine with life changing in major and fundamental ways, then you are at a very advanced level of your manifestation ability.

"Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished, and he will rule over the All."

Gospel of Thomas. Pretty much sums up what I'm saying.

[agsags]

Originally Posted by cylon

The real trick is how long you can handle having your desires manifest instantaneously, and not trying to think them away... wish them away. Wish you didn't have this power. Your power will, and SHOULD, disturb you (at first). If you aren't disturbed by your results, you aren't having any results. Your results should completely destroy your previous model of reality.

Indeed. When things start going my way very quickly, it's easy to sabotage myself by questioning "validity" of desires. The biggest problem, however, comes afterwards - once I drop out of the stream due to fear that keeps me from re-entering.

[Tom Booth]

Originally Posted by TiffyLove

I would love to lose all doubt, so if you find something that works for you.

Please share!

Heck, I would just like to have some of the experiences you have had. I haven't experienced nothing "out of the norm" to help me believe at all. Although I do, but would love to be rid of that nasty thing "doubt".

I gave an account of what worked for me some time ago on another thread:

Here

I think Andrew is on the right track when he wrote:

Well, i suspect it's something i learned from my father. for him anyone with opposing beliefs to him is a complete idiot and the only way to feel like i had love from him was to agree with his viewpoints. breaking out of that was quite hard and i guess i still have resistance...
...it was a bit of a struggle to dig up those things from memory..

The basic "method" I used was:

Try to use "visualization" or LOA or whatever technique, but keep a pen and notepad handy.

While making the effort to "visualize" and/or "believe" and/or "think positive" or whatever the basic method might be, take note of all the "doubts" that crop up in the process.

Make an exhaustive list.

Every negative thought, every negative feeling, every doubt or reservation. Don't allow yourself to avoid anything that might make you feel uncomfortable. Put all these "resistances" down in black and white, no matter how seemingly "trivial" or on the other hand, no mater how deeply personal or difficult to face.

Eventually there will be nothing else to put down.

Now you can go over that list and begin to evaluate it.

After having evaluated it. From the really little or trivial insignificant doubts down to the really big ominous deeply rooted ones, focus on each one individually. Confront the "doubts" directly one at a time. (Starting with the easiest or most trivial).

Andrew seems to have done this in regard to the issue with his father, but more than likely has not fully confronted and resolved that issue and it may be intermingled and confused by who knows how many other issues.

When I did this, I ended up with a very long list. About three pages worth. It took several days to analyze where all this "stuff" was coming from, fully confront and somehow resolve each doubt, but it was well worth the effort.

I was then able to carry out the "visualization" exercise previously attempted with 100% focus and clarity and without any distracting hobgoblins from the past.

Previously, when I attempted to "visualize" I would be swamped by doubts and soon give up in frustration thinking that it was impossible.

Once I began confronting all that internal turmoil in a rational and logical way, picking those "doubts" apart one by one, they did not seem so formidable, but were relatively easy to resolve.

[ellie]

Originally Posted by Tom Booth

Once I began confronting all that internal turmoil in a rational and logical way, picking those "doubts" apart one by one, they did not seem so formidable, but were relatively easy to resolve.

Wow Tom, I found your thoughts fascinating. What I love is you seem to have a really balanced approach to it all.

I went back and read quite a few of your post on other threads and found it to so helpful and a lot of what I had suspected, but dare not think.

I love the fact that your not all woo-woo about it, and yet even with reserved scepticism you will still able to come out learning some really cool things.

It's made me really start to think I need to delve into this a bit more. I have had some really cool things happen to me too, but always was able to justify it my mind. But I think I was scared if I really tried to embrace this new reality, that my old reality would be totally shaken...but for some reason, in my life, manifestations seems to be a part of my life and seem to be one of the skills that works best for me, so I think I need to embrace it a bit more.

Thanks so much for your insights....you made my day

[SlicK]

This is a really annoying part of my mind, seeing as I know, intuitively and through some pretty convincing logic, that subjective / bendable reality is real. But some part of me still doubts. Still demands incontrovertible proof. After this year and a half of synchs and wierd stuff going on, somehow I still wanna reality-filter it out. I've come to the point where I'm basically downplaying reality to continue with my old beliefs.

Which I want to clarify, AREN'T my beliefs. They feel literally like someone else's. It's just a gramophone record that keeps on playing in my mind, long after I'm interested in hearing it.

Clearly, your subconscious is the source of this. It seems like your conscious mind is convinced of something and your subconscious still believes the total opposite. Still, if this would be the whole story, your subconscious should follow so you're still doing something to keep yourself stuck. I think this may be the fact that you keep following your subconscious. Your subconscious tries to follow your conscious mind and your conscious mind keeps giving attention to the subconscious. It's almost like a dog chasing his tail. Stop chasing your tail