Busting Loose from the Business Game

[On A Lark]

I wanted to start a new thread on this as I'm interested in the thoughts of those who've read both "Money Game" and "Business Game". I've just completed BG (read MG first back in December) and wanted to share some thoughts/comments and hear yours as well:

I would not attempt to read BG without first having read MG. While some of the content is the same, I don't feel the underlying subjective reality foundation is laid quite as thoroughly in BG as it is in MG, and there are far fewer "real life" examples given of the actual Busting Loose process in BG. I think if I had just picked up BG first I would have been highly confused.

Robert has redefined some of his metaphors (he uses LOTS of metaphors!) in BG and some of them I like. I do not like the "clouds" metaphor nearly as much as I liked the "eggs" metaphor in MG. Just personal preference I suppose, but I can't help but think of how clouds always seem to shift, and if I truly need to tunnel through all of them to find my ES, I'll never get there as things will be constantly shifting back into the space I just cleared.

This brings me to my biggest gripe with Robert, from MG and BG: He seems to be SO vested in things being hard, taking time, taking effort. It just doesn't resonate with me. Once you've got the enlightened idea of who you truly are then you should always be operating from that perspective, and why should it take thousands of repetitions of doing the Process to reach that same perspective? I like once and done better. Just my opinion, and truly this is the only part of his books that gives me pause (and discomfort...so yes, I have done the process on this feeling but there just doesn't seem to be anything there, no big aha! or source of power for me personally).

Finally, RS promises some extra chapters that got cut from BG, and you can get them, but to do so you first have to sign his mailing list. Just LAME, again IMHO.

[Firefly101]

Yes, I am struggling with the impression I have that he is constantly striving, striving, working, working.....it is as if he never STOPS. As in big-time workaholism....I don't get the sense of calm and flow that I am interested in for my own life..

Just finished MG, waiting on BG. So, I'm new to this.

[James81]

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[Gaia333]

I'm a huge fan of BG (so my recent posts on the older thread on the MG). HUGE. And I agree that reading MG and then BG was extremely beneficial to me. And I'm sure you don't have to struggle. He says everyones experience is different. I'll just speak from my experience - any time I felt pain, struggle, fear that was my GPS (sort of opposite Abraham Hicks) on where to find my power. Once I did The Process that feelings disappeared. And the more I was detached from changing my hologram, the quicker something new manifested that completely erased whatever was causing the drama. Like instantly. Once I had that experience a few times I began to trust the process (small & big "P"). I find the egg, reclaim my power and every once in awhile, I feel the sun beam through as if a large section of cloud cover has been removed. I know once I have the courage to feel the pain, stay in it & do the Process I will be rewarded. And I do see/feel/experience having much more power to create than ever before...and I was pretty "good" at it in my Phase 1 days.

All of this to say, when I finally surrendered to all of his ideas, I was really being taught to trust my expanded self. And it's amazing. Indescribable. Truly. So worth it.

[On A Lark]

I'm feeling too, the more I sit and digest BG, that previously I was thinking of my ES as some "God force", something greater than or outside me. What I'm feeling now is that I'm absolutely 50/50 partners with my ES, with she doing the planning and me here doing the DOING/FEELING, etc. So feeling less like a puppet and more a true partner.

I still don't like RS's assertion that you can't focus on changing the hologram...I still feel like there are certain games I want to play and certain variables I want to change so I will just directly ask my ES to make the change, while simultaneously doing the Process on things that bring me discomfort in my current hologram.

[cylon]

Originally Posted by Firefly101

Yes, I am struggling with the impression I have that he is constantly striving, striving, working, working.....it is as if he never STOPS. As in big-time workaholism....I don't get the sense of calm and flow that I am interested in for my own life..

He retired.

[On A Lark]

Originally Posted by cylon

He retired.

No, he's back. All his latest blog entries (from this month) state he is "returning from his sabbatical", which lasted since April I believe.

[Firefly101]

Originally Posted by On A Lark

No, he's back. All his latest blog entries (from this month) state he is "returning from his sabbatical", which lasted since April I believe.

Thanks Cylon and OaL. I'm excited by the book and it feels true. Just trying to incorporate the "go go go go" energy I get from him into my understanding of where he's coming from.

[SunnyDays]

Originally Posted by On A Lark

Finally, RS promises some extra chapters that got cut from BG, and you can get them, but to do so you first have to sign his mailing list. Just LAME, again IMHO.

Haven't read BG but found the Bonus chapters online without signing up anywhere

http://www.bustingloosefromthebusine...ookgifts2.html

[On A Lark]

Originally Posted by SunnyDays

Haven't read BG but found the Bonus chapters online without signing up anywhere

http://www.bustingloosefromthebusine...ookgifts2.html

Yes, but how he tells you to get them in the book requires signing up. Not cool IMHO.

[cylon]

Originally Posted by On A Lark

Not cool IMHO.

Well, that's how you created him.

[On A Lark]

Originally Posted by cylon

Well, that's how you created him.

I know, it ticks me off! Seriously, I went from not really caring about him to being blown away by the info, to now just being really irritated with him. Gotta process it, but starting to seem like he's a BS artist.

[Wax Frog]

Somehow or other I manifested a reality in which I didn't have to sign up for anything. Not being a wiseass here, I really don't recall having to sign up for anything. Maybe I just missed or glossed over that part of the book?

On the matter of irritation - I experienced this with both RS and Michael "Presence Process" Brown, after correspondences of vastly different length. I'm awake enough now to be grateful for this lesson in "nobody can change my life but me, because it's ALL me anyway."

[cylon]

Here's the thing.

Some people have probably gotten so much value form Scheinfeld's work that they would love the opportunity to get emails, offers, discounts, etc. He makes a lot of money from his work, his Phase 2 Community... but he's involved in it and from what I understand he has tons of videos and audio that are available to people who pay for it. And the price is so high you probably wouldn't purchase them unless you were already busted loose.

I mean there are people probably tripping over themselves to join that community, and just can't wait to give the guy more money. So it really comes down to your perspective.

I think all the free "gifts" that have come from having both books have been fine, I thought the bonus chapters were great, had lots of value. I think the free audios have been very helpful as well.

Just comes down to your relationship with money and business. Do you think it's ok for people to earn money for their work and to market themselves?

And he talks about this in the book--he says you might think I'm full of crap and you might think I'm a charlatan or something. If so that's fine, that's where you are.

[On A Lark]

Originally Posted by cylon

Here's the thing.

Some people have probably gotten so much value form Scheinfeld's work that they would love the opportunity to get emails, offers, discounts, etc. He makes a lot of money from his work, his Phase 2 Community... but he's involved in it and from what I understand he has tons of videos and audio that are available to people who pay for it. And the price is so high you probably wouldn't purchase them unless you were already busted loose.

I mean there are people probably tripping over themselves to join that community, and just can't wait to give the guy more money. So it really comes down to your perspective.

I think all the free "gifts" that have come from having both books have been fine, I thought the bonus chapters were great, had lots of value. I think the free audios have been very helpful as well.

Just comes down to your relationship with money and business. Do you think it's ok for people to earn money for their work and to market themselves?

And he talks about this in the book--he says you might think I'm full of crap and you might think I'm a charlatan or something. If so that's fine, that's where you are.

For the free stuff, my only issue is don't call it "free" when I'm actually giving you my contact information. Call it a trade, or whatever.

I don't think he's full of crap, I think the info is really valuable, but I think he's fooling himself that he actually "busted loose". He obviously still cares a great deal about money, sales, etc.

I think once you recognize that there IS a Phase 2, you're in Phase 2 and that's that. You then evolve from there, wanting new things, wanting new experiences but no longer judging that. I guess it's more of an Abraham philosophy now that I think about it.

[cylon]

Well I have a different take on what busting loose is than some. I think many think that busting loose means you stop earning a living, or charging for your work because you have transcended the need for money.

But when you read Scheinfeld, he does not define the concept in those terms. His point is that it is a GAME. Meaning, if you want to make stuff and sell it, that's the GAME YOU'RE PLAYING.

He plays that game because it's fun for him. He is a business man. He enjoys the concept of business. His grandfather was a very successful businessman, and his biggest inspiration. And, Scheinfeld was a very successful marketing person. Clearly, he enjoys the world of marketing and running a self-help business. To us, that might not seem like fun, maybe we'd like to do something different. For him, it's what he really enjoys.

He's doing what he really enjoys and is making a ton of money doing it. He has busted loose from the game that says you have to work hard doing something you don't like to get rich.

And I don't know his personal finances, but I assume he's already set for life. Which means whatever he does from this point is because he wants to do it. He plays the game on his terms. Business is a game he likes and enjoys.

Never in the books (at least as far as I recall) has Scheinfeld said that the core of his philosophy was living in a universe where money was no longer a part of the picture. It's to take the money that IS a part of the picture, and have some fun with it. Have it work for you.

[cylon]

Originally Posted by On A Lark

For the free stuff, my only issue is don't call it "free" when I'm actually giving you my contact information. Call it a trade, or whatever.

Just wanted to add this point: to me, that is not how it is. I don't care about giving him my email address. I do not feel like I have lost something, or traded something of value for it. It's an email address. I don't care.

So to you, him saying it's "Free" is maybe a bit dishonest. To me, it isn't even an issue, and certainly not something I wish he would rectify or modify in the future.

[On A Lark]

Originally Posted by cylon

Never in the books (at least as far as I recall) has Scheinfeld said that the core of his philosophy was living in a universe where money was no longer a part of the picture. It's to take the money that IS a part of the picture, and have some fun with it. Have it work for you.

I would disagree here, what RS is actually saying is that money is not real...nothing is. There's no money, it's not moving in or out of your hologram, you don't ever have more or less of it because it's not really there to begin with.

If you really read BG, what he is saying you should do to "bust loose" is to totally stop keeping track of money at all. That is terrifying to me, so clearly it's something I need to look at. I'm processing it.

I don't know why his salesmanship is bothering me so much. I am willing to believe that it's just a game he wants to play. Maybe because it's a game that I personally detest I'm just turned off by it.

[cylon]

Originally Posted by On A Lark

I would disagree here, what RS is actually saying is that money is not real...nothing is. There's no money, it's not moving in or out of your hologram, you don't ever have more or less of it because it's not really there to begin with.

I agree with that.

But money IS a part of the money game.

You are in an illusory world. Money is in that illusory world. You ARE experiencing a world in which money "exists". Since it's all your creation, you can choose in what form that money exists. RS chooses to experience a game where he runs a business, writes blogs, does seminars, etc. That was his choice for the game (or he'd probably say his higher self's choice for the game).

Once you go to Phase 2, you are free to set your own rules and standards. But, your choice of how to play the game does not somehow invalidate HIS way of playing the game. If he says "I choose to play the game this way" I just take him at his word. I think he says really you should play it how you see fit, for YOU. How he plays it, for HIM... not my concern. That's his business.

Originally Posted by On A Lark

If you really read BG, what he is saying you should do to "bust loose" is to totally stop keeping track of money at all. That is terrifying to me, so clearly it's something I need to look at. I'm processing it.

Actually he says when you get a bill, you should feel appreciation for it, feel appreciation for yourself, and then, from that state of appreciation.... PAY THE BILL.

You do the process enough, you bust loose enough, you'll have so much money you won't need to keep track of bills. But I don't recall him saying to do anything other than feel appreciation WHILE you pay the bill. Actually not wanting to pay the bill is a great time to do the process. You should love paying bills because you're just paying yourself for services rendered!

Originally Posted by On A Lark

I don't know why his salesmanship is bothering me so much. I am willing to believe that it's just a game he wants to play. Maybe because it's a game that I personally detest I'm just turned off by it.

I hear ya. This is getting deep into the core of how you look at money, what you think of profits, scarcity, abundance. All I can say is that eventually I think you'll see it in a different light. The more you trust yourself, and trust abundance, the more happy you'll feel when others make as much money as they want. Because you feel the same way about yourself.

[On A Lark]

Originally Posted by cylon

Actually he says when you get a bill, you should feel appreciation for it, feel appreciation for yourself, and then, from that state of appreciation.... PAY THE BILL.

You do the process enough, you bust loose enough, you'll have so much money you won't need to keep track of bills. But I don't recall him saying to do anything other than feel appreciation WHILE you pay the bill. Actually not wanting to pay the bill is a great time to do the process. You should love paying bills because you're just paying yourself for services rendered!

He says it differently in BG. Still giving appreciation yes, because you are the source of it all, but to truly bust loose just no longer keeping track. Pay bills or "give appreciation" when they come due, but don't track the income because you don't have to.

[curiouslyrandom]

Originally Posted by On A Lark

He says it differently in BG. Still giving appreciation yes, because you are the source of it all, but to truly bust loose just no longer keeping track. Pay bills or "give appreciation" when they come due, but don't track the income because you don't have to.

While that may be scary for a lot of people, it would be comfortable for me. I prefer not to pay attention to the numbers because they cause me stress. Do I have enough? Do I have so much that someone might steal it? Where is it? etc.

[Gaia333]

I asked this question before on the MG thread and didn't see a response. I'll try here since it was mentioned in "Business Game". Has anyone experienced the significance between Hypnotic and Real Goals? Every aspect of RS books that I once argued with, within time, I now completely get and agree with

Not this one. (I'm fine if that changes.) At the moment, my goals that I had pre-reading BL and post reading BL-BG are still the same. What has changed is when I accomplish something on my goal list, I think "way to go, Expanded Self. Nice!" I remind myself its my consciousness, not my actions that created it. Another thing that has changed is I am more adamant about my original goals and have inflated them (asking for what I really wanted not what I thought was possible. For instance: Pre-BL my goal was to visit an island, now I want to own a home there)

I tend to babble on this forum. So - the question: Has anyone experienced a significant shift in goals, desires etc?