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03-20-2007, 01:12 PM
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 Only one consciousness In one of Steve's posts he said the following: You are the only one who's conscious. What did he mean by that? Also, Steve said this: "There are no other people “out there” having their own subjective experiences. There is only you. And your subjective reality is the only one there is." What did he mean by those two statements? Thanks! I'm looking forward to your replies       |
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03-20-2007, 04:43 PM
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| God is infinite consciousness (and much more besides!). In his goodness, he has created each of us with individual consciousness, free will and will power. They are sovereign gifts from God which no-one can take away from you. We are just chips off the same block. Rest assured that you will never lose your individuality and merge with some 'oneness'. Every living being in the universe has it's own individual consciousness and is on a never-ending journey of self discovery. We may share aspects of our consciousnesses with others as we wish - in joyful events with loved ones, etc (and even in this communication), but you have yours and I have mine! |
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03-20-2007, 05:37 PM
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| He means that we are all the same mind - the same consciousness. Consciousness has the property that it identifies itself with what it is experiencing - so it identifies itself with the ego's of the people it is experiencing, and thus feels that *it is* the ego that it is experiencing. This can be experienced during meditation or a psychedelic trip (like you would get form LSD or Salvia) - you lose the perception of the ego and feel totally connected to everything. Then the next day when you experience the ego again, you feel disconnected from everything The point is, there is only one conscious experiencer, but many conscious experiences. One dreamer, many dream characters. |
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03-21-2007, 10:32 AM
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First, picture all consciousness as the ocean and each individual consciousness as a drop of water. God has created all of us as separate, individual drops of water in the ocean. The miracle is that even though we are in the ocean, and part of it, each of us still has the sacred uniqueness and integrity of a separate drop. We may be conscious of other drops around us and even touch them, and even conscious of the ocean itself, but we are not the other drops, and we are not the ocean. God has created each of us with a unique, individual consciousness. The experience of merging with all (for example, during an LSD trip), is simply that - an experience. It may be mind blowing at the time, but if it continued for any length of time, it would become a very bad trip indeed as your body became cold or tired or hungry or negative thoughts began to encroach into your mind, and you began to lose your sense of identity - and then you are on the road to insanity. We are composed of the same stuff and have the same origin, but I am not you and you are not me. A chair is not a table, even though both may be made of wood and come from the same tree. |
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03-21-2007, 10:51 AM
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| The second statement in and of itself I think is unture. I am not familiar with the context of the rest of the work where the quote came from, but everyone has a subjective experience. I believe we are all created by God and God meant us to experience, so God built us with all the equiptment to experience exactly what God meant us to experience. Thus, we all know what a chair is and each of us can experience a chair. The universal mind flows through us but is intepreted by us according to each individual subjective experience. To say I am the only one who has a subjective experience is the ego limiting life to my design. |
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03-22-2007, 07:18 AM
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| Here's my interpretation of "only one consciousness": There is only one consciousness, because there is only one real person: I. I want to enjoy a life as a human, so I create this life role-playing game and enter this game by choosing a particular avatar. All other people in this life game are only characters that play a role in my life. Their only purpose is to help me to experience this life game. It's as simple as that.  |
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03-22-2007, 03:26 PM
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| Frans Frans, the people in your life are more than characters. They are conscious beings that think and feel just like you. |
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03-22-2007, 04:51 PM
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 Fyi In Hindu or Buddhist scriptures, there is a constant reference to Awareness or Consciousness. And also that thata God exists within us, you dont have to look outside for God. Basically, if you believe God exists, we and everything around is a creation of God and a part of God. Thus, if we are a subset of God, God and us are one. One = Consciousness = Awareness. Subjective reality is the belief that accepts this. |
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03-23-2007, 08:13 AM
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I told to the people in my dream that I was only dreaming, but they tried to convince me that they were as real as me and that I wasn't dreaming at all. Then I woke up... |
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03-23-2007, 03:12 PM
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| Frans Frans, but I am a character in your dream....and I'm real....I'm conscious..so if your theory is right then it would mean that I'm conscious and you aren't....since there's only one conscious person in this dream........hmm |
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03-23-2007, 04:04 PM
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| dream theory Frans, but I am a character in your dream....and I'm real....I'm conscious..so if your theory is right then it would mean that I'm conscious and you aren't, since there's only one conscious person in this dream........hmm |
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03-23-2007, 07:13 PM
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| "There is only one consciousness, because there is only one real person: I. I want to enjoy a life as a human, so I create this life role-playing game and enter this game by choosing a particular avatar. All other people in this life game are only characters that play a role in my life. Their only purpose is to help me to experience this life game." Why is everyone claiming to be the only aware one? Everyone seems to think that they are the "conscious one" and everything else is a manifestation of them. According to Subjective reality, there can only be one. So who is it? Last edited by SecretSeven : 03-23-2007 at 07:16 PM. |
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03-23-2007, 07:25 PM
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| SecretSeven, consider this: What if the consciousness to which we are referring is a container rather than consciousness in the sense of awake or asleep? One analogy that works for me is the ocean. We are all at once the ocean and there is only the ocean. As we rise out of it to become waves, at the tip of the wave we might feel like we are separate and see a bunch of separate waves bobbing around. But at our core, we are all still the ocean. There is only One. We are expressions of It. Sometimes we forget that we are really ocean and think that we are just wave. But, even if it looks that way, it's just not True. In Spirit, Nneka
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03-23-2007, 08:20 PM
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| I like that analogy too. But the problem I have is that it seems like people are denying individuality. We might all be the same consciousness at the core, but we are all have individual experiences. We all have seperate dreams, thoughts and memories. We are all within our own individual realities. I also have trouble believing that we are all just projections. A projection can't feel. I can feel, and I'm pretty sure everyone else can feel, so I think we are more than just projections....what do you think? |
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03-23-2007, 10:53 PM
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| I think the question you should be asking yourself is not whether there is one real consciousness out there (you) or +6 billion. The question you should be asking yourself is how does either case affect you. For example whether or not anyone else is real in your life or not, even if they are just projections, can they still hurt you? Well, since we've all been hurt at one point or another in our lives, obviously the answer is yes. So, regardless if this is a "single player" game or a "multi player" game, in either case the "others" in the game (with our without consciousness) can still affect your experience here. SO, let's say that you kept having nightmares every night when you went to sleep and in these nightmares people chased you and beat you up, and you felt all the pain and then you would wake up. Now, since inside the dream you don't know that you're just in a dream, everything seems real and the people seem real and they seem to have a consciousness. So, if you were trying to figure out a way to stop being scared INSIDE your dreams, what would you do? Well, let me tell you what I did. It's not like I had nightmares about people beating me up all the time but once in a while when someone was chasing me in a dream and would start to fight me I would be scared (inside my dream). Well, 2.5 years ago I began training in martial arts. Guess what happens in my dreams now? I am not afraid anymore. Whenever I have a dream about people attacking me now, I defend myself. Last night I had a dream where I was attacked by like 8 or 9 different people with knives and stuff and I was able to defend myself and run away without being scared. So, why am I talking about this? Because, by working on getting rid of my fears in the "real world" (taking martial arts), I'm automatically getting rid of my fears even in the "dream world". My mind doesn't project the same fears it used to when I'm sleeping. SO, in reality it doesn't really matter in "this reality" whether there is anyone else besides you out here. It only matters that you learn to "play" in this world the best you can. You will never know for sure whether there is actually a "consciousness" inside the people around you, just like we don't know if there is one in the people in our dreams. What you *CAN* test, is whether the world around you and the people around you change and treat you differently simply by changing yourself, and in my experience that is exactly what happens. For example, I used to be very skeptical of "psychics" a while back, and so was everyone in my life. Recently I've grown very comfortable with the possibility and implications of people being psychic and believe in them now. As soon as I accepted it, all of a sudden it seems like everyone around me is also more accepting. Friends, family, the TV, etc. seem to kind of mirror me, just like they do in my dreams. That is the biggest clue we have towards the "single consciousness" thing, regardless whether you believe there's just one person projecting it or +6 billion. BTW, just to bake your noodle a bit more, I'll throw something else out there that might confuse you. Subjective reality is not limited by time. Meaning, there is actually NO TIME except this moment right now. You know how in dreams you can be at home one instant and then the next instant you're at school and everything seems normal even though you just basically teleported from home to school? Well, in a subjective reality model, it can work the same way. So, when you went to the washroom earlier today, that didn't actually happen necessarily. It could just be a present moment memory of a past event that didn't happen. Anyway, I won't go into it too much, but TIME manipulation offers a lot of answers to some of the paradoxes subjective reality creates.
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03-24-2007, 01:29 AM
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Ps Let me just say that I do not REMEMBER being all of you, or any of you for that matter, but I know that I was. Just remember you can never be "alone" you have your infinite self to keep you company. Last edited by DoAnyOfYouExist : 03-24-2007 at 01:33 AM. |
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03-24-2007, 07:53 AM
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The difference between those two is: people who believe in the "multi player" subjective reality, are "obliged" to believe in LoA and I-M, because this is the only tool they have to improve their lives. I consider this life as a single player game. I am the game developer and the game player. I have chosen this particular life game to play, so I'm confident that I get everything I need according the predetermined rules of this game. In other words: there's no need to worry about my life circumstances, because I created these circumstances to experience this life (game). That is the reason why I don't need or want to use I-M: I accept everything that happens in my life, because it is perfectly possible that what might be a "bad" thing now, can turn out later in a positive thing. |
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03-24-2007, 12:01 PM
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One of my other thoughts on this is about time. If time doesn't work like we think it, the subjective view makes more sense and even removes the 'other people' barrier. Within your SR your moment or NOW is all there is, no other consciousness need exist at this moment. However, there maybe be multiple SR's all of which are really you in a different body (multiple realities/multiple universes). In that reality your current avatar is just a projection as well and will respond to conscious thought. I hope this makes sense. In the end though, I know this much, it's all you. |
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03-24-2007, 02:57 PM
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| I hear the words people are going to say, the words on tv, the words in songs, in my head as internal dialog before I hear it with my ears as external sound. I speak the words almost in sync in my head as they are being said outside my head. I'd say I say the words in my head about 5 ms. before I "hear" them. Anyone else experience this? Helps me feel as one consciousness. Also helps me feel like a nutter causing all the noise to happen. |
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03-25-2007, 05:43 AM
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I can do this in conversations with people I have an affinity with. I hear it word for word. What do you make of it?
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03-25-2007, 03:33 PM
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| You're conscious because you have your own mind and your mind is what gives you your consciousness. I'm conscious because I have my own mind and my mind is what gives me my consciousness. Everything else about all being a part of one consciousness, or even worse, you (or me) being "the only one who is conscious" is just something people want to believe despite the fact that they have absolutely no evidence for it. (And in response to the people who will say that I should prove that each individual has their own consciousness in the classic sense then I probably couldn't prove it. However the evidence of each person having their own mind and thoughts suggests this and I see no reason to change this opinion.) Somebody just comes up with these kinds of ideas and people think that it would be nice if it were true, if they knew this secret of reality and the universe and if things were different than how they seem. Maybe believing you are the only consciousness is the same as why people believe they are psychic, they want to be special and different. |
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03-25-2007, 05:17 PM
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Cool nneka, it helps me to accept my gifts and not fear them when I can find others who have experienced the same. I guess thats why I am not the only one who has these thoughts and experiences. I find great comfort in being able to share and connect my experiences with others, makes me feel like I am not alone. I can see why people like me who I never met before I made these changes, keep springing up. Or people I know will say something I have been thinking about deeply for a couple days. They don't really know why they said it, they just "felt" the need. It is always out of character for them. This is what keeps me believing there is some deep ************ going on, just too much happening lately in my life that seems "off" I do not really know what to make of hearing things in the head before in the ears though. I haven't found any significant use for it yet, it actually bothers me more than anything. |