The core of the action vs. non-action issue

[jacare]

I've been thinking a lot about the LOA question of "Taking Action" vs. "Setting the intention and letting the universe deliver"

To me, the core of this is whether we can impact other minds, or impact even distant objects with our thoughts alone.

This would imply that there are mental transmissions send out from us that can be read, much like a television, radio, or cell phone signal.

For example, say you wanted $1000 dollars. If you believe in "non-action", you could transmit the thought out, and it would be somehow picked up by the target, and the target would be compelled to somehow deliver $1000.

If you believe in "action", then you would get a job or sell something, or go out and ask a bunch of people, or take some other action, and get the $1000 that way.

To break it down further, we are talking about verbal vs. non-verbal communication. It is not accepted (in the mainstream) that we can communicate beyond our eyes, ears, noses, mouths, skin, etc. without the aid of a device, i.e. television, cell phone, radio, etc. So if you believe in "mental" communication, LOA becomes a fairly crude attempt to harness this non physical transmission. And you need to believe that there is some entity on the other side of the transmission that will do your bidding, that will feel compelled to deliver you $1000, a car, a job, a date, hair, etc.

I find it to be somewhat plausable, and I wish it were true, but I also find it a bit of a stretch. The other side if it is that I know it works, or at least that has been my experience.

[aabbcc]

Originally Posted by jacare

For example, say you wanted $1000 dollars. If you believe in "non-action", you could transmit the thought out, and it would be somehow picked up by the target, and the target would be compelled to somehow deliver $1000.

I have personally done this and been successful.

I wouldn't say that I believe in non-action. As i have posted previously, I do believe in inspired action and I also believe that sometimes action is completely unnecessary. It depends on the person and the intention.

[Lionman]

Go on google and do a search for "The science of getting rich" pdf or scribd. It talks about the action principle part of the LOA in there rather well.

There's also the view of no action required, but of course you still have to do a lot of work around your beliefs. Changing your beliefs is work in itself, right?

[cylon]

When you are having a dream at night, and someone hands you a check for $100,000, where did the check come from? Is there a bank of dreams where they issue checks?

The person that handed you the check, where did they come from? Is there a dream financial district where this guy lives his life and goes to work every day?

And how about the sidewalk you are standing on in the dream. Is there a dream construction/contracting company that comes out and pours cement and makes the sidewalk?

Or are all those things a) really just YOU and b) look real and whole (the person, the check, the sidewalk) because by APPEARING whole and complete, they serve the purpose of the dream?

[Dallaz]

Intending itself is an action.

Also if you look at it from a different view point such as your everyone else or SR there really is no other entity but you

[Lionman]

Originally Posted by cylon

When you are having a dream at night, and someone hands you a check for $100,000, where did the check come from? Is there a bank of dreams where they issue checks?

The person that handed you the check, where did they come from? Is there a dream financial district where this guy lives his life and goes to work every day?

And how about the sidewalk you are standing on in the dream. Is there a dream construction/contracting company that comes out and pours cement and makes the sidewalk?

I would be extremely interested in someone testing the lucid dream environment to it's fullest extent to really see the mechanics of how things manifest in a more fluid environment.

Ironically Steve found it hard to do telekinesis in his lucid dreams after getting into SR. Whatever that means, I dunno