if unhappiness drives away good things, what about depressed celebs?

[TheFlyingMan]

This is one thing I don't get...if happiness brings you want you want, and unhappiness drives it away, why aren't all those depressed celebrities broke?

any ideaS?

[judge45]

Happiness doesn't fix everything in your life.

You may believe that money is easy to make, but relationships are hard, therefore, you have plenty of money and a terrible time in the partner department.

How many celebs, have an easy time making money, but can't sustain a decent relationship and yet some celebs have both.

It's not happiness, it's beliefs.

HTH

Jeff

[JHL]

Happiness does not bring you what you want. Happiness is the wisdom of being happy and content with what you already have.

Celebs have what everyone ostensibly desires and yet they are a frequently unhappy lot. From this, one could be excused for concluding that having money, 'stuff' and being adored by strangers does not bring happiness.

[Elenny]

I agree with JHL. Take comedian Richard Jeni for example. Relatively successful man with what friends called "a lot to live for", and he committed suicide last weekend.

The week before it was Brad Delp, lead singer of the band Boston. He also had a "a lot to live for". Was about to get married, had a reunion tour coming up, etc.

So I think regardless of fame and money, you still have to find a balance, harmonic wealth, or whatever your favorite guru wants to call it.

Overall celebrities have money and fame, but deep down inside the need the basics of humanity like the rest of us.

[Red Willow]

I imagine celebrity brings with it much unhappiness. I would never want to live my life in a fish bowl, no matter how much money I made.

[TheFlyingMan]

Thanks for the replies!

Hmm I was referring to happiness in the IM context. They suggest you monitor your emotions - and if they are good, you are automatically broadcasting out to the universe to bring you more good things...and if you are unhappy they'll send out more bad things to make you unhappy...which would be getting broke maybe.

[wisped]

Originally Posted by TheFlyingMan

Thanks for the replies!

Hmm I was referring to happiness in the IM context. They suggest you monitor your emotions - and if they are good, you are automatically broadcasting out to the universe to bring you more good things...and if you are unhappy they'll send out more bad things to make you unhappy...which would be getting broke maybe.

Well the depressed celebrities you refer to probably aren't focusing their bad feelings on money. If they are focusing on bad relationships, addictions, and such then they keep getting more of the same in those categories. They may be in a vibrational match to financial abundance but not to loving relationships.

[absvan]

Originally Posted by wisped

They may be in a vibrational match to financial abundance but not to loving relationships.

Well isnt it true that if you have low/negative vibration, you attract anything negative in that frequency. I have read this is a few books.

I guess for money its an exception - otherwise you wouldnt find rich people who are unhappy in other areas of their life.

[Sam988]

I have come to the conclusion that in their case money and fame end up being bad things, because look where it has brung them.

So since they see it is a bad thing for them to be famous and have money, they end up attracting more of it.

Good examples are those of celebrities that are in depression and do crazy stuff, they always end up getting even more famous because of their behaviour. And once theyre more famous they end up making more money (well not in all cases but a way of making more money by being famous is always there). The latest example of depressive behaviour attracting even more the eyes of the press is britney spears, who everybody talks about now.


anyways, thats just my point of view

[sv800]

Originally Posted by Elenny

I agree with JHL. Take comedian Richard Jeni for example. Relatively successful man with what friends called "a lot to live for", and he committed suicide last weekend.

The week before it was Brad Delp, lead singer of the band Boston. He also had a "a lot to live for". Was about to get married, had a reunion tour coming up, etc.

So I think regardless of fame and money, you still have to find a balance, harmonic wealth, or whatever your favorite guru wants to call it.

Overall celebrities have money and fame, but deep down inside the need the basics of humanity like the rest of us.

Delp's death was the result of carbon monoxide poisoning.[12] According to police reports released on March 15, Delp was found dead in his bathroom with a note that read: "Mr. Brad Delp. J'ai une ame solitaire. I am a lonely soul." [13]

Richard Jeni was the bank co-worker and best friend of Jim Carey at The Mask

Cases are related to depression (?)

[Rin]

You know, I was thinking about this very topic yesterday, when I recalled my old boss from a few years ago.

He was one of the most miserable, tightfisted, driven people I have ever met in my life. He was downright evil. I actually saw him kick a puppy that got in his way on the sidewalk. I once overheard him bragging that he'd broken his ex-wife's jaw because she "got mouthy." He refused to pay child support, or even acknowledge his own child. He didn't have friends, only hangers-on he could use and throw away. In spite of all this, he was utterly obsessed with what other rich people thought of him, and was paranoid that everyone was either out to get him, or somehow take his (considerable) money away.

And yet, and yet ... as a businessman, he was absolutely brilliant at attracting money. It kind of flew towards him in droves. Whenever he needed money to expand his business, it would come into his life just like that. Everywhere he went, he'd find money - on the street, in vending machines, everywhere. It was amazing to observe someone who had that kind of magnetic power. I even wondered if he had the Midas touch at times.

Last I heard, his business was doing very well ... and he hadn't changed his wicked ways at all. Go figure!

[decterlove]

as it has been articulated up to this point in time as far as I am aware....

I find it to be constantly contradicted in my actual experience.......

Now, let me be clear....I don't think it's wrong.........I definitely believe contributes to the manifestation process and may indeed be central to it............BUT the whole process just hasn't really been thought out really carefully and articulated with rigorous honesty, IMHO..

Just within the last few months I can count 4 dramatic examples of my own where I was vibing about as high as I get in the morning and got totally undesirable results in the afternoon....I two cases, I was trying to find an assistant for a couple of gigs I had lined up........was absolutely confident of doing so.....had a list of like 10 people I could call.......was feeling excited about the day.........and zip/nada...............had to cancel the gigs and was pretty unhappy about it...

On the opposite hand, a few years back, I had been job hunting for several months.........was totally depressed and had an interview I would up being late for. Thinking their was no chance of making it, I called to ask them if I should even bother coming in.....and I got the job.

I re-emphasize........I don't think this proves the basics of the IM process is wrong..........it's just a little more complicated than anything I've read articulating it..

It may be a case of "averaging out" the strength, clarity, momentum and commitment of your desire............with it's high and lows all factored in.....some of the Hicks material alludes to this....that your initial vector of desires........vibrational level.........naturally drops and must be rebooted to keep it in line with the vibrational level of your outcome....I think their is a "Chi" component involved here either or both in terms of a person's physical and/or mental/spiritual "vitality."

Of course you can always say a Higher Power/God/Director decides that the outcome you think you want is not the best one for you and intervenes......

But whatever it is.....while Happiness certainly is helpful in keeping your Energy high and Flowing into your results..........it's not a guarantee, in my experience, of receiving them...

[Enlightenment]

One thing I've noticed is that the celebrities who worked really hard to get where they are, are not unhappy.
The ones who fell into it, like the actors who started young to please their parents, are the ones who are really unhappy.
I know of one celeb, whom I had met briefly, and somehow we started on the subject of his old sports days in university. I thought it was sort of off topic, but me being the gushing girl that I was, didn't think much of it at the time. Until later, when almost every article I read about him he spoke of his sports days. Then, I could ascertain fairly that he really wished he could have finished his sports career and that acting was his second choice. Sometimes we can't see the personal torment that some celebs go through. I think sometimes they just cannot reconcile their true self with their situation. To them, it just doesn't fit and they don't know how to reconcile it. The ones who last manage to find their authentic self even under intense pressure and confusion. Then they have, in some round about way, found their calling.

[Enlightenment]

One thing I've noticed is that the celebrities who worked really hard to get where they are, are not unhappy.
The ones who fell into it, like the actors who started young to please their parents, are the ones who are really unhappy.
I know of one celeb, whom I had met briefly, and somehow we started on the subject of his old sports days in university. I thought it was sort of off topic, but me being the gushing girl that I was, didn't think much of it at the time, until later, when in almost every article I read about him he spoke of his sports days. Then, I could ascertain, fairly, that he really wished he could have finished his sports career and that acting was his second choice. Sometimes we can't see the personal torment that some celebs go through. I think sometimes they just cannot reconcile their true self with their situation. To them, it just doesn't fit and they don't know how to reconcile it. The ones who last manage to find their authentic self even under intense pressure and confusion. Then they have, in some round about way, found their calling.