Is action an illusion ?

[Silenced140]

I just realized something. Because I always get all worked up with when to take action regarding a manifestation.

See I was just on Youtube watching a video called The Matrix of Illusion. There's a bunch of scientists talking about how this reality really is an illusion. Literally.

So if we've proven to ourselves that our intent causes change. Like I wanted a car, so I focused and got the car.


What if we transcend the limits of manifestation. Why do we believe we always have to take a whole bunch of tedious action ?

Because if you think of it this way. It's the same thing.

I can manifest a world where I get all kinds of free ****. If you actually get to studying quantum physics and learning more. It's shocking how you can still be in a limited world. Because nothing is solid at all.


So why choose to live in a world of complicated manifestations ?

[rickrock]

All of our complications are illusions. Maybe many years ago people might have known reality was an illusion and it was just never spread to the point everyone knew and the knowledge died. OR we just NEVER knew. Im sure if we all knew this than the world might not be so complicated.

Makes my brain happy when I think about what REAL life would be like if this was all a dream. Unless its horrible and we use this reality as an escape. I dont know, not enlightened enough I guess

Please share your link

[SarahJaynee]

It's the action part of LoA that hinders alot of people. You can manifest whatever you want, but deep down you limit yourself because you truly believe only certain action can bring this thing to you, or by doing certain actions you wont bring this thing to you. That takes out a whole bunch of way the Universe could provide what you are intending.
So if you want a new house and start your intention sequences, but deep down you believe nothing is achieved without years of hard work....well then the only way the house can be manifested is via years of hard work.
If you truly know that Life is surprising and anything is possible then voila! the house could manifest by morning via a multitude of ways.
Your "stuff" will always be delivered in a way that is comfortable with your beliefs. Just because millions of people share a belief (you MUST work hard and long hours to reach financial wealth for example) does not mean that it is true.
Action is never required. Ever. Buddha taught this many centuries ago, and the new wave of LoA has breathed new Life into the teachings.
All action is futile. Happiness lies in being not doing.

[Lionman]

Breaking the belief that action is required should take a lot of preliminary effort in itself. Pretty weird, no?

It might actually be EASIER to just work within the existing framework that requires action to get something.

Try the intention you've got a house using the least effort possible and see what comes back.

[escapeplan]

Originally Posted by SarahJaynee

It's the action part of LoA that hinders alot of people. You can manifest whatever you want, but deep down you limit yourself because you truly believe only certain action can bring this thing to you, or by doing certain actions you wont bring this thing to you. That takes out a whole bunch of way the Universe could provide what you are intending.
So if you want a new house and start your intention sequences, but deep down you believe nothing is achieved without years of hard work....well then the only way the house can be manifested is via years of hard work.
If you truly know that Life is surprising and anything is possible then voila! the house could manifest by morning via a multitude of ways.
Your "stuff" will always be delivered in a way that is comfortable with your beliefs. Just because millions of people share a belief (you MUST work hard and long hours to reach financial wealth for example) does not mean that it is true.
Action is never required. Ever. Buddha taught this many centuries ago, and the new wave of LoA has breathed new Life into the teachings.
All action is futile. Happiness lies in being not doing.

There is a danger some people reading this may actually believe it! If you actually believe this- I mean really believe it- why on earth did you type this message taking dedicated action in order to do so?

If you don't believe it- why post such a thing?

If you believe it but can't actually apply it yourself then how on earth does this help anyone else?

[escapeplan]

Just to add to my last post, it's the lack of a need to take action I object to. Is anyone out there seriously implying this is the case- anyone who can lead their lives this way?

[Lionman]

I endorse Escapeplan's crusade btw

[nicbrahms]

This is something I have grasped very early on, that action is not a prerequisite to manifestation.

We do in indeed live in mind and mind is capable of anything, the only reason action is implied as part of loa is because we are too busy trying to do everything ourselves rather than just being and letting beautiful things happen. So we believe at this point in our development and book learnings that there must be something I need to do, also linear thinking demands things to happen in an orderly fashion.

There is another reason too, if we all just sat back and literally did nothing as in being in a true state of being then the experience would become moot, interacting is part of our job. So actioning something for something is part of the illusion that keeps us integrated.

It also depends on beliefs, I for one believe anything can happen with no action. Although the bible does say God helps those who help themselves.

There are myraid ways of looking at it.

However, the action if and when required should be pleasant and you should be happy to carry it out so the point is moot really. If the action is not pleasant and forced then the action is wrong and shouldn't be carried out.

Just my thoughts.

Peace

[Acting Like Godot]

There are many forms of thought. Action is one of them - every single one of your actions is possible only because of your thought, the thought that made your hands, legs, mouth or body move in that particular way.

All forms of thoughts can create. That includes your action.

To say that you won't use action is to disadvantage yourself. In effect, you are denying yourself the use of one particular form of thought - the one known as action.

To rely solely on action is also to disadvantage yourself. In effect, you are denying yourself the use of other forms of thought.

The actions that you take can be helpful or harmful; constructive or destructive; useful or useless. So it is, with all your other forms of thought.

Therefore think wisely.

[nicbrahms]

Originally Posted by escapeplan

Just to add to my last post, it's the lack of a need to take action I object to. Is anyone out there seriously implying this is the case- anyone who can lead their lives this way?

If you believed enough you could sit on your couch all day and everything would come to your front door. However, this dimension is not that way inclined, due to linear mind and cause and effect beliefs.

Peace

[mikej]

so if someone - lets say a relative i barely knew - leaves me a big house in their will what action did i take to acquire that house?

[escapeplan]

Originally Posted by nicbrahms

If you believed enough you could sit on your couch all day and everything would come to your front door. However, this dimension is not that way inclined, due to linear mind and cause and effect beliefs.

Peace

And how does "everything" get from the front door to my couch?

[escapeplan]

Originally Posted by mikej

so if someone - lets say a relative i barely knew - leaves me a big house in their will what action did i take to acquire that house?

Well at a guess at some point you'd have to sign a piece of paper, or communicate with someone who gave you the news in the first place

[escapeplan]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

There are many forms of thought. Action is one of them - every single one of your actions is possible only because of your thought, the thought that made your hands, legs, mouth or body move in that particular way.

All forms of thoughts can create. That includes your action.

To say that you won't use action is to disadvantage yourself. In effect, you are denying yourself the use of one particular form of thought - the one known as action.

To rely solely on action is also to disadvantage yourself. In effect, you are denying yourself the use of other forms of thought.

The actions that you take can be helpful or harmful; constructive or destructive; useful or useless. So it is, with all your other forms of thought.

Therefore think wisely.

Good case for the defense old boy, but I'm not sure that thought being an action is what most of us have in mind when we use the word "action"

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by escapeplan

Well at a guess at some point you'd have to sign a piece of paper, or communicate with someone who gave you the news in the first place

Then you would have to say - "Very, very minimal action can be required to achieve a very, very large effect"

but this really is not the point of your original post either. I believe that you would like to urge people towards effort, hard work and consistency etc, and not towards very minimal action.

What you can't accept that an entire range of highly important processes take place, entirely without the need for any deliberate action on your point. These include photosynthesis; the beating of your heart; and the national economy.

[escapeplan]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Then you would have to say - "Very, very minimal action can be required to achieve a very, very large effect"

but this really is not the point of your original post either. I believe that you would like to urge people towards effort, hard work and consistency etc, and not towards very minimal action.

What you can't accept that an entire range of highly important processes take place, entirely without the need for any deliberate action on your point. These include photosynthesis; the beating of your heart; and the national economy.

I don't deny the minimal effort with which things in nature, including our own bodies appear to function.

Nor do I deny that from a human experience we sometimes appear to receive "big" things with "little" effort.

What I am more interested in, is which way at this moment in "time" will ensure that the "average" person in the street/ forum, has the best chance of achieving success more often than not. Naturally, I don't consider you to be "average".

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by escapeplan

Good case for the defense old boy, but I'm not sure that thought being an action is what most of us have in mind when we use the word "action"

I can't help you with that.

If you cannot see that every action of yours is driven by your thought, so very intimately that your action IS your thought, then I really can't help you with that.

If you work very, very hard, this merely shows that you are very hardworking ... And what is "hardworking"? It is a state of mind, a characteristic of personality, a pattern of thought.

You cannot escape, from the simple truth. Everything first stems from thought.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by escapeplan

What I am more interested in, is which way at this moment in "time" will ensure that the "average" person in the street/ forum, has the best chance of achieving success more often than not.

His best chance is to think in the best possible way. The best possible thoughts may or may not be actions.

Thoughts can be positive or negative; they can be helpful or harmful.

Since actions are thoughts, it is also true to say that actions can be positive or negative, and actions can be helpful or harmful.

[escapeplan]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

I can't help you with that.

If you cannot see that every action of yours is driven by your thought, so very intimately that your action IS your thought, then I really can't help you with that.

If you work very, very hard, this merely shows that you are very hardworking ... And what is "hardworking"? It is a state of mind, a characteristic of personality, a pattern of thought.

You cannot escape, from the simple truth. Everything first stems from thought.

An action being driven by a thought is not the same as action being a type of thought- at least not in the way many people would use the word action. That just seems like legal word play.

I don't advocate hard work- I suggest that there is a way more likely to produce better results and this normally involves action in the real world. Again, I look not at your reality, but what I believe is the reality of most readers on this forum.

[escapeplan]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

His best chance is to think in the best possible way. The best possible thoughts may or may not be actions.

BUT... only if you can get them to that level of ability in the first place- and that goes back to my post in the other thread about communication. Without that, without true understanding, the whole IM thing becomes a slackers charter!

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by escapeplan

What I am more interested in, is which way at this moment in "time" will ensure that the "average" person in the street/ forum, has the best chance of achieving success more often than not.

Let me answer your question in a more down-to-earth, practical way. IMO, for the "average" person in the street/forum, the best chance of achieving success is to become clear on what success means to him.

In other words, the person must define success for himself. He must set his goals. He must decide what's important to him. He must be clear about his intention. He must be able to think, "Yes, I know it now. [PQR] and [XYZ] are what I wish to achieve."

In case you did not notice, this first step is all about thought. You can sit on a couch or lie on a bed, and successfully take this first critical step.

Even when you become advanced in your LOA techniques, you cannot run away from this first step. Clarity of intention is always important, for conscious creation.

[escapeplan]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Let me answer your question in a more down-to-earth, practical way. IMO, for the "average" person in the street/forum, the best chance of achieving success is to become clear on what success means to him.

In other words, the person must define success for himself. He must set his goals. He must decide what's important to him. He must be clear about his intention. He must be able to think, "Yes, I know it now. [PQR] and [XYZ] are what I wish to achieve."

In case you did not notice, this first step is all about thought. You can sit on a couch or lie on a bed, and successfully take this first critical step.

Even when you become advanced in your LOA techniques, you cannot run away from this first step. Clarity of intention is always important, for conscious creation.

With or without LOA at least that's something we agree on. It all STARTS with thought- of course it does.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by escapeplan

An action being driven by a thought is not the same as action being a type of thought- at least not in the way many people would use the word action.

For the purposes of discussion, give me a real-life example of what you mean, by "taking action" in order to "achieve success". So that we can have a better discussion, provide an example with some specifics, for example, by referring to some specific goal of yours that you achieved last month, or last year.

[mikej]

people tend to assume that actions are things that are done physically, things that we can see being done.

but deliberately changing your thoughts is also taking action even if the results of those changes don't manifest instantly in your physical life.

we act according to our beliefs so before taking action it's probably best to make sure our beliefs are sound otherwise we end up making the wrong decisions in life or simply end up working hard for little reward.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by escapeplan

With or without LOA at least that's something we agree on. It all STARTS with thought- of course it does.

Unfortunately, many people do not understand this!

They still think, of course - in fact, human beings have great difficulty stopping themselves from thinking - but they do not appreciate the importance and significance of their own thought.

If they did, then before they actually took any action, they would ensure that they are clear in their minds about what it is, that they actually want to achieve!

[escapeplan]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

For the purposes of discussion, give me a real-life example of what you mean, by "taking action" in order to "achieve success". So that we can have a better discussion, provide an example with some specifics, for example, by referring to some specific goal of yours that you achieved last month, or last year.

Ok, I had a few limiting beliefs about setting up a business- even more so considering at the time the sheer scale of what I was planning. It seemed overwhelming and I procrastinated. It wasn't just the scale, it was the fact that I had only limited previous business experience and I wasn't sure I had the knowledge or ability to carry through what I did/ am still doing.

Now, although I had a shift in thinking which got me started (I scaled down the idea to something I BELIEVED I could more easily build upon)- I still had to take the action to learn, to take the action to make contacts, to take the action to find the right things and people I needed. Sure I loved the theme of the business but it still took work. Plenty of dead ends, plenty of wasted time and effort, no magic answers. There were bits that came easier than others. For example,- two days ago I needed a specialist list and hadn't been able to get what I needed anywhere. I had tried various search engines, but for some reason two days ago I re-googled and found it on page 3- something I previously missed. I don't attribute this to LOA, I call it a co-incidence. Why? Because this is how it normally occurs- large effort, occassional lucky break. But although I spend a lot of time thinking and clarifying ideas- I never find things delivered on a plate to any level beyond co-incidence.

In all honesty I don't think many others do either- so yes, my advice is to take action, don't sit around in dream world. Now no doubt you will tell me I will get more lucky breaks with a change of mindset- but the point is- it took a great deal of effort to get started and if I just sat around daydreaming, nothing would ever have materialised. This isn't magic- it's just getting on with life. It concerns me that people think there's such an easy short cut to success. Why not just admit that for the few who make it easily, many more make it along a tough path, and the vast majority never get started at all!

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by escapeplan

Ok, I had a few limiting beliefs about setting up a business- even more so considering at the time the sheer scale of what I was planning. It seemed overwhelming and I procrastinated. It wasn't just the scale, it was the fact that I had only limited previous business experience and I wasn't sure I had the knowledge or ability to carry through what I did/ am still doing.

Now, although I had a shift in thinking which got me started (I scaled down the idea to something I BELIEVED I could more easily build upon)- I still had to take the action to learn, to take the action to make contacts, to take the action to find the right things and people I needed. Sure I loved the theme of the business but it still took work. Plenty of dead ends, plenty of wasted time and effort, no magic answers. There were bits that came easier than others. For example,- two days ago I needed a specialist list and hadn't been able to get what I needed anywhere. I had tried various search engines, but for some reason two days ago I re-googled and found it on page 3- something I previously missed. I don't attribute this to LOA, I call it a co-incidence. Why? Because this is how it normally occurs- large effort, occassional lucky break. But although I spend a lot of time thinking and clarifying ideas- I never find things delivered on a plate to any level beyond co-incidence.

In all honesty I don't think many others do either- so yes, my advice is to take action, don't sit around in dream world. Now no doubt you will tell me I will get more lucky breaks with a change of mindset- but the point is- it took a great deal of effort to get started and if I just sat around daydreaming, nothing would ever have materialised. This isn't magic- it's just getting on with life. It concerns me that people think there's such an easy short cut to success. Why not just admit that for the few who make it easily, many more make it along a tough path, and the vast majority never get started at all!

My point is this.

Your goal was to set up a business. To set up a business, there were dozens, perhaps hundreds, perhaps thousands, of little actions you had to take.

Each of those actions was a thought. At each point, you faced a situation and you thought to yourself, "Okay, what shall I do now? I think I'll do X" and then you proceeded to do X.

X does not happen, unless you have the thought of X.

Now, what if you had thought better, in every way? All your actions, of course, would be better.

The relationship between what you call "action" and what you call "thought" is very close and intertwined, that effectively, all your actions are your thoughts.

When we say, "Take more action", this is really the same as saying, "Think more, of a certain kind of thoughts", because action is just a form of thought. A person who takes a lot of actions on his goal is simply supplying a lot of thought towards his goal, because every action he takes arises from his thought. And the more thought he supplies, the greater the creative effect.

But as I had said earlier, action isn't the only form of thought that has creative power. If you forget that, you become like a pianist who plays with only three fingers. You're handicapping yourself, because you're not using your "non-action" thoughts to help you.

[nicbrahms]

Originally Posted by escapeplan

And how does "everything" get from the front door to my couch?

Why, your butler of course.

[nicbrahms]

Of course it is a thought universe, and there really is no action only perceived action.

Its a hologram of mind and so we are not doing anything at all except observing the hologram and then we think we have a body that is taking action toward goals.

Of course there is no such thing. So we want something and we make it happen by thinking the thoughts that cause a perceived action to take place toward that end.

It is all thought there is nothing else, there is in actual fact no action, other than the perceived illusion of action.

But again thats how we are limited at this dimension, in fifth you think it and it happens, you wanna be there and you are. Thats a true state of being of true mind. Whereby the illusion of perceived action is bypassed altogether.

I guess its all about vibration and density, beliefs etc.

[escapeplan]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

My point is this.

Your goal was to set up a business. To set up a business, there were dozens, perhaps hundreds, perhaps thousands, of little actions you had to take.

Each of those actions was a thought. At each point, you faced a situation and you thought to yourself, "Okay, what shall I do now? I think I'll do X" and then you proceeded to do X.

X does not happen, unless you have the thought of X.

Now, what if you had thought better, in every way? All your actions, of course, would be better.

The relationship between what you call "action" and what you call "thought" is very close and intertwined, that effectively, all your actions are your thoughts.

When we say, "Take more action", this is really the same as saying, "Think more, of a certain kind of thoughts", because action is just a form of thought. A person who takes a lot of actions on his goal is simply supplying a lot of thought towards his goal, because every action he takes arises from his thought. And the more thought he supplies, the greater the creative effect.

But as I had said earlier, action isn't the only form of thought that has creative power. If you forget that, you become like a pianist who plays with only three fingers. You're handicapping yourself, because you're not using your "non-action" thoughts to help you.

The significance of thoughts can not be understated. Agreed. You are also right that there were and are still hard decisions to make. I visualise it, I look at the whole picture- not just what will make more money but what is better lifestyle wise, etc and based on that vision, that thought, I take action. How can I think any better than I do? I try to look at everything as holistically as my obviously limited brain allows as it is.

Does this mean I am certain of the choice I make- no. Is it inspired- no, not usually- but a choice still needs making- is it always right- no. But sure I can see how the thought leads to the action. So the creation is in my head- agreed. BUT- this is a process arrived at by visualisation, logical reasoning and more often than not a heavy dose of good old fashioned common sense.

My ideas manifest alright in as much as I take the actions- but this doesn't guarantee a positive result all the time. Some actions of course seem bigger than others, some seem to yield bigger results- good or bad. But the success of those ideas through to implementation is not just down to me. To deny timing, luck, the effects of others etc on my business is to put myself on a god-like pedestal which I am certainly not deserving of. My thoughts and actions get me through in spite of opposition at times, rather than creating never ending bliss and harmony (and blue feathers!)