Is action an illusion ?

[escapeplan]

Originally Posted by nicbrahms

I am sorry and this is not like me but I can't resist.

I am not surprised that you don't get the depth of understanding from me because you can't understand that its a holographic universe and that action is an illusion.

Let me dumb it down for you.

Dimensions are real, we live in one, there are 11 of them, some people think 12. When you look inside your own head you will find a first dimension space, there are some stickle brick men in there trying to bring you to the 2nd dimension but they are struggling because there just isn't enough brain juice to make it happen.

Does that do it for you?

Peace and love as always.

Yes, thank you- that's convinced me you are truly insightful.

[Enlightenment]

Originally Posted by nicbrahms

When you look inside your own head you will find a first dimension space, there are some stickle brick men in there trying to bring you to the 2nd dimension but they are struggling because there just isn't enough brain juice to make it happen.

Wait a second! My brain is an equal opportunity brain; let's hear it for the stickle brick women!

Anyway, look up the Double-slit Experiment on Youtube, you'll see how the observer becomes the creator.

[Showtime]

I mean, yes, technically the universe is a hologram, but I try not to think that way.

Basically what's going on is the universe is a gigantic energy field (energy is the same as light) and when you see your table or computer it's really just stable energy/light.

Is it an illusion? kinda/sorta. It really exists but the truth of the matter is it's all energy with different stability levels.

It doesn't matter because from our point of view a table is a table and thinking of it any other way is essentially useless on a day-to-day basis.

So in that context, yea action is a hologram, but still, if you want a sandwich, you're going to have to make yourself a sandwich. So it doesn't really change much.

[tlaskcor]

Originally Posted by kenny r

A seed does not need to work to become a flower; it simply allows itself to be, and it becomes a flower. —Story Waters, You Are God Get Over It!

I wish. I'd love to place my seeds in the earth and step back, and say, Be, little seeds! and have them grow. My seeds are subject to temperature, moisture content, lack of pests...

[RomanHD]

Originally Posted by nicbrahms

Sorry my friend I don't have any need to explain anything to you, although I wonder why I manifest you as a sceptic that is zeroing in on my posts.

This type of discussion is getting quite prevalent it seems:

1. Believers make an extraordinary claim.
2. Sceptics ask for evidence.
3. Believers tell the sceptics to go look how latest science has "proven" this and that.
4. Sceptics debunk it.
5. Believers tell that they don't need to prove anything to anyone.

Seriously nicbrahms, string theory is just a mathematical framework of the universe in progress. Have you seen the equations behind it? I know I haven't - my math knowledge isn't anywhere NEAR the level where I could make sense of quantum theory.

So either you are extremely smart, or deluded.

[RomanHD]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

There are many forms of thought. Action is one of them - every single one of your actions is possible only because of your thought, the thought that made your hands, legs, mouth or body move in that particular way.

So, if a pedestrian jumps in front of your car while you're cruising at 60 MPH, will the action of braking be a thought?

[cylon]

Originally Posted by RomanHD

This type of discussion is getting quite prevalent it seems:

1. Believers make an extraordinary claim.
2. Sceptics ask for evidence.
3. Believers tell the sceptics to go look how latest science has "proven" this and that.
4. Sceptics debunk it.
5. Believers tell that they don't need to prove anything to anyone.

Seriously nicbrahms, string theory is just a mathematical framework of the universe in progress. Have you seen the equations behind it? I know I haven't - my math knowledge isn't anywhere NEAR the level where I could make sense of quantum theory.

So either you are extremely smart, or deluded.

1. Believers have their own forum where they can discuss things that matter to them.
2. Skeptics can't handle that, so they "crash the party" so to speak.
3. Believers tell the skeptics, "I'm sorry, we were having a discussion, no one is trying to convince you of anything. We're having a discussion amongst ourselves. Leave us in peace."
4. Skeptics feel threatened by letting other people have their own world view, so they refuse to leave the party they crashed, making it an officially un-fun party.
5. Skeptics give up when they see they can't shake the believers faith and either leave and learn to let others just be, or resort to personal attacks once their cherished "reasoning" has failed them. Having "superpowers" is obviously a threat to the ego, and the fundamentalist intellectual warriors can't stand a peaceful gathering of believers. We're too dangerous to be left in peace!

It would be one thing if you were at a skeptic board and I went there and said "All you science worshipers are wrong! Prove to me that I am not right!"

Yet, that's not what's happening, is it. This is a quiet little place called Intention Manifestation, where people share advice and tips with each other, kind of a like a community type deal. No crashing of parties, over here.

Rinse, repeat.

Proposed solution: Create a thread titled something like "Challenge to Believers: Make a claim I can shoot down for fun and/or profit". That would be the appropriate place, no?

Full disclosure: I am actually every character in the preceding drama.

[RomanHD]

Originally Posted by cylon

Proposed solution: Create a thread titled something like "Challenge to Believers: Make a claim I can shoot down for fun and/or profit". That would be the appropriate place, no?

Man, I would TOTALLY want to do that!

[cylon]

Originally Posted by RomanHD

Man, I would TOTALLY want to do that!

Knock yourself out.

[escapeplan]

Originally Posted by cylon

Knock yourself out.

Don't worry, I started the thread as suggested for fun in emotional mastery so as not to wind up in believers in this section

[Lionman]

Originally Posted by RomanHD

Seriously nicbrahms, string theory is just a mathematical framework of the universe in progress. Have you seen the equations behind it? I know I haven't - my math knowledge isn't anywhere NEAR the level where I could make sense of quantum theory.

So either you are extremely smart, or deluded.

lol, I'm sure you realize that you can read up on summaries of what a physicist says and other physicist opinions on it to get an overall impression of an area of science and the value of the theories without actually knowing the intricacies of the equations of so fourth.

In light of me being sure you realize this I'm not going to mention it.

[Lionman]

I was reading a most interesting webpage recently. I mainly find it so damn interesting because it ties a lot of my own beliefs together.

It's called The Golden Ratio Spiral the Breath of Brahma

In summary it goes into how the golden ratio in nature points to underlying principles of reality. Interesting to note (agh! ) how the musical scale is divided up by these principles, and how this relates to beautiful sounding harmonics. Beauty being kind of an emotional reaction to the realization of the harmony underlying form.

It goes incredibly deep and is heavy reading, but makes for brain candy especially if you're thinking about how the physical relates to "the dreamer".

Although of course another belief like anything else you could say, it's seems closer to a high order belief like "1+1=2"... rather than something like "cheeseburgers are nice".

[Showtime]

Originally Posted by RomanHD

This type of discussion is getting quite prevalent it seems:

1. Believers make an extraordinary claim.
2. Sceptics ask for evidence.
3. Believers tell the sceptics to go look how latest science has "proven" this and that.
4. Sceptics debunk it.
5. Believers tell that they don't need to prove anything to anyone.

Seriously nicbrahms, string theory is just a mathematical framework of the universe in progress. Have you seen the equations behind it? I know I haven't - my math knowledge isn't anywhere NEAR the level where I could make sense of quantum theory.

So either you are extremely smart, or deluded.

Skeptics don't get results.
Skeptics won't try anything on their own.
Almost every great leader of the past (6000?) years, disagreed with these skeptics.
Studies have shown that there is a direct correlation between optimism/confidence and success. (Readthis bookfor more info)
Skeptics =/= optimists.
Every great inventor in history believed in his invention while the Skeptics said it was impossible.

Shall I go on?

Originally Posted by nicbrahms

Quantum physics has proved we live in an energetic universe and that there is no solid matter, so not fantasy at all my friend.

Originally Posted by escapeplan

Nics,

I am not unaware of the developments in quantum physics, and am not daft enough to believe the world is made up the way we were taught in school.

She's absolutely right, matter is just stable energy.

E=MC2

Matter is composed of Molecules, which is composed of Atoms, which is composed of Neutrons, Electrons, and Protons (all energy)

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by RomanHD

So, if a pedestrian jumps in front of your car while you're cruising at 60 MPH, will the action of braking be a thought?

Yes. That too is a kind of thought. Clearly the mind is at work in such a situation, for if at that moment I had somehow fainted or fallen asleep, I would not perform that action of braking.

Also ask yourself - why should I brake? What's the intention?

Then you will realise - oh, there is indeed an intention. The intention is to avoid an accident. But how can there be any kind of intention, if consciousness is not at work?

[Showtime]

Originally Posted by RomanHD

So, if a pedestrian jumps in front of your car while you're cruising at 60 MPH, will the action of braking be a thought?

Actions are extensions of thoughts.
As are words.

[RomanHD]

Originally Posted by Showtime

Skeptics don't get results.
Skeptics won't try anything on their own.
Almost every great leader of the past (6000?) years, disagreed with these skeptics.
Studies have shown that there is a direct correlation between optimism/confidence and success. (Readthis bookfor more info)
Skeptics =/= optimists.
Every great inventor in history believed in his invention while the Skeptics said it was impossible.

Showtime, I don't know if you have noticed, but I agree with the above. I am not against IM or the LoA. I just haven't had much success with it in the past, but I'm seeing that lots of people here like ALG are getting great results with it, so I'm asking them questions and trying the stuff out myself.

All I was against in this thread was nicbrahms telling us how science has "proven" our universe to be holographic and have 11 dimensions, which, objectively speaking, IT HASN'T.

[Showtime]

Originally Posted by RomanHD

Showtime, I don't know if you have noticed, but I agree with the above. I am not against IM or the LoA. I just haven't had much success with it in the past, but I'm seeing that lots of people here like ALG are getting great results with it, so I'm asking them questions and trying the stuff out myself.

All I was against in this thread was nicbrahms telling us how science has "proven" our universe to be holographic and have 11 dimensions, which, objectively speaking, IT HASN'T.

Oh my fault homie, lol.

If you want to get better with LOA, my personal favorites are Bob Proctor's Born Rich Seminars (or Born Rich book for free on his website in the top right hand corner,) Maxwell Maltz' Psycho-Cybernetics or Think and Grow Rich.

All 3 of those aren't specifically LOA based, but it's the exact same concepts laid out in a logical coherent manner. (The biggest problem I have with a lot of LOA materials is strange babble about genies and bikes showing up on porches)

[kenny r]

Originally Posted by tlaskcor

I wish. I'd love to place my seeds in the earth and step back, and say, Be, little seeds! and have them grow. My seeds are subject to temperature, moisture content, lack of pests...

I can't tell if you're being contrary, funny, or missed the point. Regardless, even in your example the seed didn't have to do anything.

[kenny r]

Originally Posted by Showtime

(The biggest problem I have with a lot of LOA materials is strange babble about genies and bikes showing up on porches)

LOL. I don't remember the genie in the example in The Secret being an actual genie, if that's what you're referring too. As for things showing up on porches, it's not strange after it happens to you a few times.

[Showtime]

Originally Posted by kenny r

As for things showing up on porches, it's not strange after it happens to you a few times.

Noted.

[mikej]

Originally Posted by RomanHD

This type of discussion is getting quite prevalent it seems:

1. Believers make an extraordinary claim.
2. Sceptics ask for evidence.
3. Believers tell the sceptics to go look how latest science has "proven" this and that.
4. Sceptics debunk it.
5. Believers tell that they don't need to prove anything to anyone.

Seriously nicbrahms, string theory is just a mathematical framework of the universe in progress. Have you seen the equations behind it? I know I haven't - my math knowledge isn't anywhere NEAR the level where I could make sense of quantum theory.

So either you are extremely smart, or deluded.

does anyone completely understand quantum physics? even the "experts" seem mystified by it!

[RomanHD]

Originally Posted by mikej

does anyone completely understand quantum physics? even the "experts" seem mystified by it!

That's what I was getting it. People who have been studying physics and math for decades are still researching and discussing it, and someone here comes and announces that s/he has the answer.

[Lil Chris]

Originally Posted by Lionman

It's a Lamborghini Gallardo

Is it on your wishlist, or do you happen to be one of the lucky ones to own it?

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by RomanHD

That's what I was getting it. People who have been studying physics and math for decades are still researching and discussing it, and someone here comes and announces that s/he has the answer.

What you do at least know is that quantum physics shows that reality is far, far different from what most people ordinarily perceive it to be. So for example, let's say a skeptic makes an argument like this:

"The LOA is nonsense. That's because. as we all know very well, [insert some humdrum, conventional explanation of reality."

What you need to understand that according to quantum physics, the inserted explanation is probably wrong. For actually, quantum physics, at the very least, does suggest that:

- you're mostly empty space, rapidly blinking in and out of existence

- you're composed of the same sub-atomic particles as the rest of the universe

- those sub-atomic particles can communicate and interact with each other faster than the speed of light

- something happening in your bedroom can immediately affect something happening on the other side of the country, or planet, or for that matter, the solar system

- consciousness may indeed be required to create matter

- things that can happen in the future can indeed determine the things that happened in the past

- quantum physics does have macroscopic effects (ie the events at the subatomic level can indeed affect much, much larger systems)

- there are different dimensions and alternate realities

Once you can at least reach the level of understanding that these are all the findings and theories that quantum physics is throwing up, you should at least understand that reality is a very, very strange place.

And when you come across this argument:

"The LOA is nonsense. That's because, as we all know very well, [insert some humdrum, conventional explanation of reality."

... you can immediately see (more likely than not) that the humdrum, conventional explanation is unsound, invalid and unscientific.

Skeptics will often say that their arguments are based on common sense.

What they don't get is what quantum physicists have already figured out - reality totally defies common sense.

[cylon]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

... you can immediately see (more likely than not) that the humdrum, conventional explanation is unsound, invalid and unscientific.

Damn you just took away my sense of superiority, you...you.... dark ages person you.

If all this "magical" stuff actually is real, who am I supposed to make fun of now?

[mikej]

Originally Posted by RomanHD

That's what I was getting it. People who have been studying physics and math for decades are still researching and discussing it, and someone here comes and announces that s/he has the answer.

i haven't read all of nic's posts but does she really claim to know everything?

anyway if the experts are still baffled by quantum physics then maybe understanding the true nature of the universe is not something that can be attained through intelligence alone. after all, they're probably a lot smarter than the rest of us and yet they still don't have all the answers.

i have a feeling that those answers only come when a person's consciousness is raised to an extremely high level. however it could also be that the ultimate truth of our existence will remain unknowable to us.

[nicbrahms]

Originally Posted by RomanHD

This type of discussion is getting quite prevalent it seems:

1. Believers make an extraordinary claim.
2. Sceptics ask for evidence.
3. Believers tell the sceptics to go look how latest science has "proven" this and that.
4. Sceptics debunk it.
5. Believers tell that they don't need to prove anything to anyone.

Seriously nicbrahms, string theory is just a mathematical framework of the universe in progress. Have you seen the equations behind it? I know I haven't - my math knowledge isn't anywhere NEAR the level where I could make sense of quantum theory.

So either you are extremely smart, or deluded.

Why thank you for the choice, I will take deluded.

As for saying quantum physics can't be proved objectively, duh, had you not noticed we are all subjectivists here.

I for one don't care, I take a little info from here, a little from there, have an ephiphany, talk to expanded mind, realise I'm God and hey presto I post away.


Stick that in your objective pipe and smoke it.

Tee hee.

[nicbrahms]

Originally Posted by mikej

i haven't read all of nic's posts but does she really claim to know everything?

anyway if the experts are still baffled by quantum physics then maybe understanding the true nature of the universe is not something that can be attained through intelligence alone. after all, they're probably a lot smarter than the rest of us and yet they still don't have all the answers.

i have a feeling that those answers only come when a person's consciousness is raised to an extremely high level. however it could also be that the ultimate truth of our existence will remain unknowable to us.

You are making this too easy, of course I know everything, I am God as I have repetitively said.

I also know you haven't changed your wangers today, get to it lest I strike you down for mucky undercrackers.

Tut Tut.

[nicbrahms]

And thank you, the rest of you beautiful people for coming to my defense in my absence, actually I was away burping out another universe. Well I didn't say I wasn't busy.

Keep the faith people, the rapture is coming and I know who I am taking. Just kidding, you can all come except Romanhd and mikej can push the bus with us in it. Its a long way boys so get your energy built up and pack spare underpants, you know what the effort of pushing can do.

Muah!

[mikej]

wouldn't it be nice if we could have a discussion without resorting to personal insults?

just a thought