Is action an illusion ?

[escapeplan]

Originally Posted by nicbrahms

Of course it is a thought universe, and there really is no action only perceived action.

Its a hologram of mind and so we are not doing anything at all except observing the hologram and then we think we have a body that is taking action toward goals.

Of course there is no such thing. So we want something and we make it happen by thinking the thoughts that cause a perceived action to take place toward that end.

It is all thought there is nothing else, there is in actual fact no action, other than the perceived illusion of action.

But again thats how we are limited at this dimension, in fifth you think it and it happens, you wanna be there and you are. Thats a true state of being of true mind. Whereby the illusion of perceived action is bypassed altogether.

I guess its all about vibration and density, beliefs etc.

I really can't think of a reply to this. At least ALG provides a logical basis for a discussion- this is just utter fantasy. Even if it was true- why discuss it further, if, as you have pointed out we are LIMITED in this dimension anyway?

[Lionman]

The physical world contains a huuuge amount of energy. Stuff down here is remarkably dense containing a lot of subtle energy but packed in really tight. Think an atomic explosion and the energy released from small parts of matter.

If you astral project you can technically just walk around in the physical world and interact with physical people while still lying in your physical bed. But that would take so much condensed energy it's insane. Normal astral projections are easy because you're not dealing with really condensed energy.

If you want to manifest say a fork out of thin air you imagine the fork and then it exists as a thought. Matter is condensed thought so you use a process to condense huge amounts of mental/astral energy into the image and ground it. It will then take on a more permanent astral form, and become more and more dense as you draw more and more energy into its form until eventually other people in the vicinity will be hallucinating it... and then eventually it will just be a physical fork which everyone can agree on.

It takes a lot of energy just to do that. This may make you appreciate the fact that you can just go to the kitchen and grab a bloody fork without all the above effort!

[Lionman]

By the way, I know the above principle because I do a form of energy condensation to regain a certain kind of physical energy which helps me pump weights and stuff like that, or restore sexual vitality.

It involves breathing in energy into a part of your body and condensing it and condensing it further and further. The denser you make the energy, the more physical it feels and the more physical power you have. This is how qigong guys throw people high in the air and push chopsticks through tables and stuff. Some of them can materialize stuff out of thin air believe it or not.

The less dense the energy is, the more it resonates with thoughts and stuff. Lots of spiritual and intellectual types deny the denser parts of themselves, so you see a lot of skinny hippie types with grey dull faces. Not uncommon.

[escapeplan]

Originally Posted by Lionman

The physical world contains a huuuge amount of energy. Stuff down here is remarkably dense containing a lot of subtle energy but packed in really tight. Think an atomic explosion and the energy released from small parts of matter.

If you astral project you can technically just walk around in the physical world and interact with physical people while still lying in your physical bed. But that would take so much condensed energy it's insane. Normal astral projections are easy because you're not dealing with really condensed energy.

If you want to manifest say a fork out of thin air you imagine the fork and then it exists as a thought. Matter is condensed thought so you use a process to condense huge amounts of mental/astral energy into the image and ground it. It will then take on a more permanent astral form, and become more and more dense as you draw more and more energy into its form until eventually other people in the vicinity will be hallucinating it... and then eventually it will just be a physical fork which everyone can agree on.

It takes a lot of energy just to do that. This may make you appreciate the fact that you can just go to the kitchen and grab a bloody fork without all the above effort!

I think this says it all really. The world obviously is not the way our senses perceive it. We can be aware of that and still know the easiest way to get a "fork".

If we say that it is IM by having the thought of going to the kitchen and getting it, then I guess there is no harm in this...

[Lionman]

I think thought gets the upper hand most of the time because subtle things permeate dense things, although the dense things have more energy. By permeating/penetrating there's a sense of command.

An analogy is like a general and his army. The general is mental faculty, the army is the physical faculties. The general has command but he's not going to go all by himself to take over a country. Surely he would use his army to do that. The general can find the best way to use his army to achieve the end result in the quickest and most efficient way.

At the end of the day, if you want to achieve something IM can help you find the best route to materialize it. You just have to specify the details and wait for the answer.

[cylon]

To the OP:

The title is accurate. Action IS an illusion. Because you, are an illusion. Everything in your awareness is an illusion, created by you. So that would have to include the concept of action, and the illusion of taking that illusory action.

Everything happens based on your beliefs... and to extend the word "beliefs", I'd say everything happens based on your acceptance of appearances.

Action works, and it doesn't. Sometimes action feels good, sometimes it doesn't. It depends on the situation. It's fun to move the body around and to set challenges for ourselves, like a big game. It's also fun to take it easy and to have things just work out in your favor.

I think that it's better to recognize this, and take action when you WANT to... because it's enjoyable. Like walking on the beach, that's an action. Learning to play an instrument, is an action.

Now working very hard and suffering for money... is that an action you WANT to take? It really depends. Some people are workaholics. Their entire self-concept and self-value is not only based on action, but HARD WORK action, with little reward. The more they work hard, the more they suffer, the better they feel. Kind of like S&M. Some people like to be "punished" and that is what turns them on. Same thing.

Now if these people who are identified with working hard were to one day win the lottery, I imagine the first thing they'd do is blow it all, make sure to ruin their lives to the point that they could work hard again. So they could be "themselves" again.

Next you have regular people, who have a pretty decent work ethic but are heirs to the 20th Century--they expect some fulfillment in their lives outside of work. They realize there is balance to be had. So while they may take pride in a job well done, if they are expected to work harder after a certain point (like a required 40 hour work week) they will rebel and start to dislike their work, and resent the actions they have to take.

Then, you have the people like us, who most likely grew up with a pretty hard work ethic, have probably worked most of our adult lives (I've worked since I was about 10 years old as a paperboy, and never really stopped working since), but are now faced with the possibility that all that hard work and puritan work ethic may have not been necessary.

If you are one of these people, you probably won't accept LOA at face value right away and say "oh neat! No more hard work! La de da de da!" You probably COULD.... but your ego, your self-concept, your identity is probably not ready to just stop pushing you to achieve, pushing you to beat the other guy, pushing you to "make something of yourself."

But there are people who take the "la de da" approach and everything just works out for them, with them only taking the actions they WANT to. They realize their abundance, their sense of self, is not based on what "value" they provide, or if they are "being of service to others", or if they "did an honest day's work."

Their sense of self is much deeper than that, their sense of self acceptance is much deeper and can't be threatened by any weird notions of "I have to work hard and prove myself in order to be entitled to exist on this planet."

And since they don't have those hangups, they sit on their couch all day long while the universe bends over backwards to be at their very beck and call. Turns out action IS necessary--the actions the universe takes on your behalf so you can sit around and just enjoy your short time on earth.

[nicbrahms]

Originally Posted by escapeplan

I really can't think of a reply to this. At least ALG provides a logical basis for a discussion- this is just utter fantasy. Even if it was true- why discuss it further, if, as you have pointed out we are LIMITED in this dimension anyway?

Quantum physics has proved we live in an energetic universe and that there is no solid matter, so not fantasy at all my friend.

I suggest you investigate quantum physics.

As its a thought universe we play at being here interacting in the game, density of 3rd dimension is why action is called for at all. But the action is all part of the illusion.

I am not just speaking out my arse as you seem to imply, I have been in my expanded mind and seen the illusion from there.

Sides my post wasn't directed at you but my thoughts on the subject, and I may discuss whatever I like my sceptical friend.

Peace

[nicbrahms]

Originally Posted by cylon

To the OP:

The title is accurate. Action IS an illusion. Because you, are an illusion. Everything in your awareness is an illusion, created by you. So that would have to include the concept of action, and the illusion of taking that illusory action.

Everything happens based on your beliefs... and to extend the word "beliefs", I'd say everything happens based on your acceptance of appearances.

Action works, and it doesn't. Sometimes action feels good, sometimes it doesn't. It depends on the situation. It's fun to the move the body around and to set challenges for ourselves, like a big game. It's also fun to take it easy and to have things just work out in your favor.

I think that it's better to recognize this, and take action when you WANT to... because it's enjoyable. Like walking on the beach, that's an action. Learning to play an instrument, is an action.

Now working very hard and suffering for money... is that an action you WANT to take? It really depends. Some people are workaholics. Their entire self-concept and self-value is not only based on action, but HARD WORK action, with little reward. The more they work hard, the more they suffer, the better they feel. Kind of like S&M. Some people like to be "punished" and that is what turns them on. Same thing.

Now if these people who are identified with working hard were to one day win the lottery, I imagine the first thing they'd do is blow it all, make sure to ruin their lives to the point that they could work hard again. So they could be "themselves" again.

Next you have regular people, who have a pretty decent work ethic but are heirs to the 20th Century--they expect some fulfillment in their lives outside of work. They realize there is balance to be had. So while they may take pride in a job well done, if they are expected to work harder after a certain point (like a required 40 hour work week) they will rebel and start to dislike their work, and resent the actions they have to take.

Then, you have the people like us, who most likely grew up with a pretty hard work ethic, have probably worked most of our adult lives (I've worked since I was about 10 years old as a paperboy, and never really stopped working since), but are now faced with the possibility that all that hard work and puritan work ethic may have not been necessary.

If you are one of these people, you probably won't accept LOA at face value right away and say "oh neat! No more hard work! La de da de da!" You probably COULD.... but your ego, your self-concept, your identity is probably not ready to just stop pushing you to achieve, pushing you to beat the other guy, pushing you to "make something of yourself."

But there are people who take the "la de da" approach and everything just works out for them, with them only taking the actions they WANT to. They realize their abundance, their sense of self, is not based on what "value" they provide, or if they are "being of service to others", or if they "did an honest day's work."

Their sense of self is much deeper than that, their sense of self acceptance is much deeper and cant' be threatened by any weird notions of "I have to work hard and prove myself in order to be entitled to exist on this planet."

And since they don't have those hangups, they sit on their couch all day long while the universe bends over backwards to be at their very beck and call. Turns out action IS necessary--the actions the universe takes on your behalf so you can sit around and just enjoy your short time on earth.

Thank you Cylon for putting it so perfectly as always.

You are quite amazing at how you write, very concise, well rounded and easily understandable.

I have said it before and I will say it again, you are a pleasure to read.

Perhaps what you say will help escapeplan understand as he doesn't get what I am saying.

Peace my wonderful friend.

[nicbrahms]

Originally Posted by Lionman

I think thought gets the upper hand most of the time because subtle things permeate dense things, although the dense things have more energy. By permeating/penetrating there's a sense of command.

An analogy is like a general and his army. The general is mental faculty, the army is the physical faculties. The general has command but he's not going to go all by himself to take over a country. Surely he would use his army to do that. The general can find the best way to use his army to achieve the end result in the quickest and most efficient way.

At the end of the day, if you want to achieve something IM can help you find the best route to materialize it. You just have to specify the details and wait for the answer.

Forgive me lionman for my female limitations but what car is that in your profile pic, is it a ferrari?

Its very nice.

[cylon]

Originally Posted by nicbrahms

Thank you Cylon for putting it so perfectly as always.

You are quite amazing at how you write, very concise, well rounded and easily understandable.

I have said it before and I will say it again, you are a pleasure to read.

Perhaps what you say will help escapeplan understand as he doesn't get what I am saying.

Peace my wonderful friend.

Thanks, nic.

[kenny r]

+1 it's all illusion.

I do want to ask, isn't thinking a thought also itself an action?

Originally Posted by escapeplan

But the success of those ideas through to implementation is not just down to me. To deny timing, luck, the effects of others etc on my business is to put myself on a god-like pedestal which I am certainly not deserving of. My thoughts and actions get me through in spite of opposition at times, rather than creating never ending bliss and harmony (and blue feathers!)

Timing, luck, and the effects of others are all things you have created, and to deny them seems to me denying some of your own "tools", which could as readily be directed to work in your favor, rather than against. They're all just as much illusion as everything else. Believing you're limited in this way can/does interfere with things just falling into place for you with minimal effort/action (or hard work v. enjoyable effort). If you believe that timing and luck are beyond your control and that taking responsibility for these things is a god-like ability you don't deserve, then of course accomplishing your goals may require struggle.

Something I recently read applies, I think:

The very belief that you need to struggle causes struggle. The belief in the need for effort has been ingrained over so many lifetimes that being without it can initially seem inconceivable. On some level we still want to toil; we want to know that if we work harder than other people we will get more. We are attached to a level of competition that is shattered by the realization that everything you want can be obtained joyfully and with ease.

and...

A seed does not need to work to become a flower; it simply allows itself to be, and it becomes a flower. —Story Waters, You Are God Get Over It!

I think that in this dimension we are in physical action is part of the point of the experience. As nic mentioned, elsewhere there's no need for this kind of action to accomplish things, manifest, create, so this world is unique in that way.

[Lionman]

Originally Posted by nicbrahms

Forgive me lionman for my female limitations but what car is that in your profile pic, is it a ferrari?

Its very nice.

It's a Lamborghini Gallardo

[Silenced140]

Let my expand on "Not doing anything"


I sound like such a lazy slob when I talk about no action required. Although I think i meant something else. Yes, action is required when I want that Plasma Screen in my front room. The simple act of lifting it up into my house is nothing. It's simple.

If I was offered $1,000 dollars to drive 500 miles away, pick up a package and drive back, I would do that in an instant. That seems like a lot of action, but in this reality, I love driving. I would challenge myself to see how fast I could get the trip done in. It would be exciting.

Maybe the action isn't the problem, but we want things to be simple. I would give action if there was a clear, guided path that I knew would work. When we enjoy what we do, or we are content, we give action, although it doesn't feel like action.

I want things to be set in a divine way that I already know what's coming, and I'm content because life is exciting and fun.

Action isn't that bad then.

[cylon]

Action isn't good or bad. It's neutral.

Action is a very limited word. It's not an all or nothing thing. I think the key here is you want to be engaged in life.

To be engaged requires action, like, moving your body around. Going from here to there, laughing, running, singing, whatever. Those are actions you take in order to be engaged with life.

But that is a completely different thing than saying "in order to be happy and wealthy you need to take these specific actions in this specific sequence and expect these specific results." If you're a creator, then there's no formula.

It's this all or nothing thinking that really trips people up. "They say there's no action required, so I shouldn't go to the beach today because that's an action."

You aren't forced into making choices like that.

[Acting Like Godot]

I guess many people on this forum might not actually realise it.

But here's the simple truth - very, very often, we human beings actually do want to have experiences that are difficult, challenging and painful; experiences designed to require intense action and/or mental stamina.

Why do we want to have these experiences?

Because we like the sense of satisfaction and achievement that comes with having survived and coped with these experiences. That's why people will voluntarily:

(i) compete in sports;
(ii) select challenging careers;
(iii) run in marathons;
(iv) take up taekwondo;
(v) choose difficult courses in college;
(vi) climb mountains;
(vii) sign up to join the commandos;
(viii) set any kind of ambitious goal for themselves.

Thus, for example, one day, it may be possible to climb tall mountains very easily. Perhaps the engineers would have come up with anti-gravity boots; electrically-heated winter clothes; and super-lightweight oxygen tanks, such that you can practically glide all the way up to Mount Everest, feeling nice and cosy, and come up down in half an hour.

Then the thrill for the hardcore mountain climbers would be gone. It's not the experience that they're after.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by escapeplan

Just to add to my last post, it's the lack of a need to take action I object to. Is anyone out there seriously implying this is the case- anyone who can lead their lives this way?

Lots of things which you want in your life do actually come to you without any significant action on your part.

For example, as I sit here typing this post, I have a cup of instant coffee next to me. For the coffee to get here:

(1) somewhere in Brazil, a seed had to be planted; it had to grow; the plant needed to be harvested;

(2) the coffee beans had to be sunned, dried or prepared; they had to pack the beans, move them to a warehouse;

(3) someone else had to pack the beans, load them into sacks, get them to the port;

(4) someone had to load the beans, sail the vessel, and take the beans across the Pacific Ocean to another country;

(5) the beans had to be get processed, made into little sachets of instant coffee, and then sent to my country

(6) they had to get transported to a warehouse, be ordered by supermarkets, and be sent to a supermarket near my home.

(7) My wife had to buy this packet of coffee, while doing her groceries.

And this morning, when I wake up and sit here at my computer, my maid makes me a cup of coffee and here it is, how pleasing.

Never mind the miracle of the water in the cup. I live in a country with scarce water resources; the country imports some of it from it from two other countries; and the rest of it, it creates from desalinating the sea. All of which are big, challenging processes, on which I have not needed to take any action.

Look carefully at your life. Millions of things happen in it, which you expect and desire, and which require no significant effort on your part.

[Lionman]

Tracing the physical creation cycle of things is a great meditation to ground yourself. It's almost enlightening. You can do that with anything, just pick it up and look at it and think of its history, relationships, involvement, it's perceived societal value and any exchange you made to get it.

If you look at each step of the process you'd find a lot of exchange is going on. People are trading things, whether it's solid stuff or action for money... those actions could be management, endorsement, physical labor, writing or whatever.

The various people involved in each step would be putting fourth different levels of effort. Some might put forward a lot of effort and get little, like the coffee bean pickers. Others might put forward little effort but get a lot, say a celebrity endorsing the product on a TV ad. It's all about the perceived value of what you're giving.

Where does money come from? Other people unless you print it. Other people give you money if you give them something they want. Simples.

I think this is what Escape plan is getting at. You have to do something to provide value to the people who will be giving you something. Or at least provide value to people... whether you are doing anything or not there's got to be something coming out of you that people are paying for. You get more if what you have reaches a lot of people, has a high perceived value and is rare.

Someone might say that the above is just all my beliefs or whatever, which is fine. I could change the universe into a giant Homer Simpson where all atoms are actually doughnuts or something in theory if I believed it strong enough. I think a lot of people know this beliefs thing already, but the essence of what Escape plan is saying is that there's principles in our reality which are easier to work with than changing such hardcoded beliefs.

*ed* Also, presenting universal concepts or theories could do with imposed limitations to create a structure which fits in with the structured world we were born into, tangeable forms have value here.

And there's a silent comfort in the here and now physically manifested world... a venusian taurus sensualness that is pretty cool actually when you go with that flow. Accept her as she is, look for and enjoy the nuances of her reflected beauty in her form against the light of your vision. This could be a better way to look at it than just saying the physical world is an illusion.

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Lots of things which you want in your life do actually come to you without any significant action on your part.

For example, as I sit here typing this post, I have a cup of instant coffee next to me. For the coffee to get here:

(1) somewhere in Brazil, a seed had to be planted; it had to grow; the plant needed to be harvested;

(2) the coffee beans had to be sunned, dried or prepared; they had to pack the beans, move them to a warehouse;

(3) someone else had to pack the beans, load them into sacks, get them to the port;

(4) someone had to load the beans, sail the vessel, and take the beans across the Pacific Ocean to another country;

(5) the beans had to be get processed, made into little sachets of instant coffee, and then sent to my country

(6) they had to get transported to a warehouse, be ordered by supermarkets, and be sent to a supermarket near my home.

(7) My wife had to buy this packet of coffee, while doing her groceries.

And this morning, when I wake up and sit here at my computer, my maid makes me a cup of coffee and here it is, how pleasing.

Never mind the miracle of the water in the cup. I live in a country with scarce water resources; the country imports some of it from it from two other countries; and the rest of it, it creates from desalinating the sea. All of which are big, challenging processes, on which I have not needed to take any action.

Look carefully at your life. Millions of things happen in it, which you expect and desire, and which require no significant effort on your part.

[escapeplan]

Originally Posted by nicbrahms

Quantum physics has proved we live in an energetic universe and that there is no solid matter, so not fantasy at all my friend.

I suggest you investigate quantum physics.

As its a thought universe we play at being here interacting in the game, density of 3rd dimension is why action is called for at all. But the action is all part of the illusion.

I am not just speaking out my arse as you seem to imply, I have been in my expanded mind and seen the illusion from there.

Sides my post wasn't directed at you but my thoughts on the subject, and I may discuss whatever I like my sceptical friend.

Peace

Nics,

I am not unaware of the developments in quantum physics, and am not daft enough to believe the world is made up the way we were taught in school.

Nor am I a quantum physics expert, nor, I hazard a guess, are you. If there are any quantum scientists here please do chip in though- seriously.

What I don't like is psycho-babble from people who really don't understand things- especially quantum physics. Even the experts get tied in knots talking about dimensions.

With respect Nics, ALG and Cylon are onto something I don't yet grasp and they have practical experience which I believe is genuine. Recently ALG has been posting scientific studies to support LOA which helps sceptics very much. The changes in Cylon are more than enough to convince me he has accomplished things too. I don't get that depth of understanding from you, and when I read your posts they just sound like- well, fantasy. Are you actually living the life you describe and can you explain it in plain English?

[nicbrahms]

Originally Posted by escapeplan

Nics,

I am not unaware of the developments in quantum physics, and am not daft enough to believe the world is made up the way we were taught in school.

Nor am I a quantum physics expert, nor, I hazard a guess, are you. If there are any quantum scientists here please do chip in though- seriously.

What I don't like is psycho-babble from people who really don't understand things- especially quantum physics. Even the experts get tied in knots talking about dimensions.

With respect Nics, ALG and Cylon are onto something I don't yet grasp and they have practical experience which I believe is genuine. Recently ALG has been posting scientific studies to support LOA which helps sceptics very much. The changes in Cylon are more than enough to convince me he has accomplished things too. I don't get that depth of understanding from you, and when I read your posts they just sound like- well, fantasy. Are you actually living the life you describe and can you explain it in plain English?

Sorry my friend I don't have any need to explain anything to you, although I wonder why I manifest you as a sceptic that is zeroing in on my posts.

I shall go away and ponder that.

Oh and I take it as a compliment that you consider my posts as fantasy, because thats what the very illusion you reside in is. So you are now hitting on the truth, well done.

Peace

[escapeplan]

Originally Posted by nicbrahms

Sorry my friend I don't have any need to explain anything to you, although I wonder why I manifest you as a sceptic that is zeroing in on my posts.

I shall go away and ponder that.

Oh and I take it as a compliment that you consider my posts as fantasy, because thats what the very illusion you reside in is. So you are now hitting on the truth, well done.

Peace

I don't just zero in on your posts, I query any that seem non genuine. The fact I don't reside in your illusion proves to me beyond doubt that you have some weird ideas!

[cylon]

We're all the same person. All seemingly "different" aspects of the same being. No separation. No better than or less than. Just one.

[escapeplan]

Originally Posted by cylon

We're all the same person. All seemingly "different" aspects of the same being. No separation. No better than or less than. Just one.

Yes- but some people like you understand and can apply the knowledge, some like me understand but cannot apply the knowledge (yet) and some just rattle off scientific sounding mumbo jumbo with no evidence behind the claims.

[cylon]

I'm a student just like everyone else. I write my observations as they come to me. I have a lot to learn. And everything I read from others is just feedback that shows me if I'm warmer or cooler. And that's how I learn.

I really think at the end of the day it's stripping way the illusion of separation. You can say "their ideas are wrong" but it's you, that are creating them. Their ideas are nothing more or less than "manifested" reflections of your own mind.

That's enough on this topic though.

[escapeplan]

Originally Posted by cylon

I'm a student just like everyone else. I write my observations as they come to me. I have a lot to learn. And everything I read from others is just feedback that shows me if I'm warmer or cooler. And that's how I learn.

I really think at the end of the day it's stripping way the illusion of separation. You can say "their ideas are wrong" but it's you, that are creating them. Their ideas are nothing more or less than "manifested" reflections of your own mind.

That's enough on this topic though.

Well, maybe this is where my "authority problem" comes in but I'd rather listen to those who can practice what they preach. I'll leave it there for now as it's too late to concentrate!

[Lionman]

Stumbled across this which bears some relevance to this thread. It's Hindu's mythology's take on how the One (dreamer) separated to from the multifaceted world we find ourselves focused in now.

I can testify how it works with the chakras from personal experience, the way consciousness descends into matter.

Notice how there's a focus on male/female, which surely is at the heart of the whole "we are One but not quite" thing we find ourselves in, don't you think?

"According to a hinduistic myth the god Shiva created the universe by emanating the sound OM. In the saga the first stage of universe was a large ocean. On the surface of this ocean consisting of the substance "supreme consciousness" (Sanskrit: chitta, personified as Shiva) this vibrational force OM (personified as the female aspect, called Shakti) caused waves (called chittavrittis). These waves were the first traces of individualism. By differentiation of these waves the diversity of forms and matter of universe originated. In the course of evolution of universe Shakti descended to the lowest form of "vibration", the physical matter. This state is associated with the lowest form of consciousness.

In the human body this evolution is reproduced as descendence of Shakti (the inner power) from the top of the head down the spine to the base of abdomen (Mulhadhara Chakra), creating an awareness more and more linked to the physical matter."

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Lionman

Stumbled across this which bears some relevance to this thread. It's Hindu's mythology's take on how the One (dreamer) separated to from the multifaceted world we find ourselves focused in now.

I can testify how it works with the chakras from personal experience, the way consciousness descends into matter.

Notice how there's a focus on male/female, which surely is at the heart of the whole "we are One but not quite" thing we find ourselves in, don't you think?

"According to a hinduistic myth the god Shiva created the universe by emanating the sound OM. In the saga the first stage of universe was a large ocean. On the surface of this ocean consisting of the substance "supreme consciousness" (Sanskrit: chitta, personified as Shiva) this vibrational force OM (personified as the female aspect, called Shakti) caused waves (called chittavrittis). These waves were the first traces of individualism. By differentiation of these waves the diversity of forms and matter of universe originated. In the course of evolution of universe Shakti descended to the lowest form of "vibration", the physical matter. This state is associated with the lowest form of consciousness.

In the human body this evolution is reproduced as descendence of Shakti (the inner power) from the top of the head down the spine to the base of abdomen (Mulhadhara Chakra), creating an awareness more and more linked to the physical matter."

Thank you for sharing this. Quite fascinating.

[nicbrahms]

Originally Posted by escapeplan

I don't just zero in on your posts, I query any that seem non genuine. The fact I don't reside in your illusion proves to me beyond doubt that you have some weird ideas!

I love you unconditonally my freaky ass friend.

[kenny r]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

(vi) climb mountains;

Literally and figuretively for vi.

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Then the thrill for the hardcore mountain climbers would be gone. It's not the experience that they're after.

The sense of incredible physical accomplishment will be, but they can still choose not to use the new technology. Plus there will be a STARBUCKs up there in case they drank all their coffee on the way up.

What I think is great about that idea is the thrill of being on top of Everest would be open to many more to experience and appreciate.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by nicbrahms

I love you unconditonally my freaky ass friend.

lol

[nicbrahms]

Originally Posted by escapeplan

Nics,

I am not unaware of the developments in quantum physics, and am not daft enough to believe the world is made up the way we were taught in school.

Nor am I a quantum physics expert, nor, I hazard a guess, are you. If there are any quantum scientists here please do chip in though- seriously.

What I don't like is psycho-babble from people who really don't understand things- especially quantum physics. Even the experts get tied in knots talking about dimensions.

With respect Nics, ALG and Cylon are onto something I don't yet grasp and they have practical experience which I believe is genuine. Recently ALG has been posting scientific studies to support LOA which helps sceptics very much. The changes in Cylon are more than enough to convince me he has accomplished things too. I don't get that depth of understanding from you, and when I read your posts they just sound like- well, fantasy. Are you actually living the life you describe and can you explain it in plain English?

I am sorry and this is not like me but I can't resist.

I am not surprised that you don't get the depth of understanding from me because you can't understand that its a holographic universe and that action is an illusion.

Let me dumb it down for you.

Dimensions are real, we live in one, there are 11 of them, some people think 12. When you look inside your own head you will find a first dimension space, there are some stickle brick men in there trying to bring you to the 2nd dimension but they are struggling because there just isn't enough brain juice to make it happen.

Does that do it for you?

Peace and love as always.