We Attract EVERYTHING!!!!

[Vicariously Yours]

Why is this such a difficult principle for many (too many, I think) of the people on this forum to accept? The Universe is attraction-based, which is the basis for the Law of Attraction and IM: like attracts like. You cannot experience anything that you have not in some way attracted. And the Law of Attraction is a constant: you can't employ the law only on those occasions when it's convenient or painless, or when you're trying to manifest a Porsche, and then "turn it off" when it gives you something too hot to handle. As in the case of the young girl in Florida who was raped and then buried alive. Tragic? You bet. Only the most callous would say otherwise. It is the worst kind of pain to have to bury your child. And her manner of death is staggeringly difficult to comprehend. But anyone who professes a belief in the Law of Attraction, and then in the same breath declares that anyone who suffers some sort of tragedy--be they infants dying of starvation, or pre-pubescent girls brutally raped and murdered, young men dying of AIDS, or elderly folks with Alzheimer's--can't possibly, on some level, have attracted their circumstances, doesn't truly believe--or understand--the Law of Attraction.

Here's the train of thought that leads me to make such an audacious and incendiary remark:

1) God is the All That Is. This means that there is nothing that is not God. That includes all the people in the Universe, the animals, the rocks, the air. Everything, and all the space that appears to separate it, is actually God.

2) God is omnicient. God knows everything. And all the little "pieces" of God are omnicient in the same way (this is because there really aren't any "pieces" of God...God is one tremendously huge single entity that "appears" to be a jumble of separate things. Remember, there isn't anything that isn't God).

3) God is the creative force (all the force, actually) of the Universe. And since we are all God, we, too, are that creative force.

4) Obviously, nothing "happens" to God. Whatever "happens" does so at the clear behest of God.

5)It naturally follows from the above that nothing "happens" to anyone--regardless of appearances--without their invitation. It is a mistake to believe that our puny brains, and the conscious mind that is housed there, is the true intelligence behind our infinite existence. That is actually the province of the Soul, which is infinitely more powerful, and is outside the realm of time and space.

The Law of Attraction is merely one means by which the Soul creates its various experiences, both good and bad (read, convenient and not-so-convenient). The conscious mind participates, of course, and contributes toward the decisions made by the Soul. But it is rather like a force being applied to the tip of an iceberg, attempting to change its course in the water: it takes a considerable, persistent force to manage the change, expecially if the change is drastic.

So. A Soul decides to incarnate on the Earth as a girl. It might appear that this girl is delicate, innocent, naive, and vulnerable. It might appear (even to her conscious mnd) that she is alone and separate from God. The reality is that she is a physical extension of a tremendously powerful spiritual entity (itself an extension of God) with a very specific agenda. And one of the items on that agenda is to meet a certain man on a certain day who will do some horrific--to our limited perception, anyway--things to her, and she will pass back into the spirit realm with one more interesting experience under her/his/its belt. And it's off to the next exciting adventure.

I freely admit that this scenario demands a certain element of faith. My views are not for everyone, of course. But it seems to me that an integral part of the Law of Attraction (one rarely mentioned) is this oneness with God, and the realization that we are imbued with the same powers.

We mourn the little girl, I think, because we do not see behind the physical masks we all wear. We do not firmly believe in our oneness with God. Hence, the little girl's suffering and death are a (false) reminder that we, too, could experience such a fate. And we are terrified.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Vicariously Yours

It is a mistake to believe that our puny brains, and the conscious mind that is housed there, is the true intelligence behind our infinite existence. That is actually the province of the Soul, which is infinitely more powerful, and is outside the realm of time and space.

Why would you assume that the conscious mind is housed in our puny brains?

Also, why would you assume that the soul is outside the realm of space and time? If it was outside the realm of time, it would mean that it is in eternal time. If it was in eternal time, it would mean that our soul is God. If our soul is God, then it wouldn't need to experience anything on earth because it already experienced everything in all of time.

It's hard for me to explain, but I believe that our soul/spirit *IS* our consciousness. Our bodies and brains are just projections of that consciousness. Even though undreneath the illusion we are actually above space and time, within the illusion of existance as seperate souls we are actually choosing to participate in space/time and choosing to project our physical bodies into the physical world.

In other words, our souls are pieces of fragmented God choosing to create space and time (albeit unconciously) and projecting our physical bodies on earth as a means to learn the lessons and experience the experiences we are choosing.

I do not disagree with your statement that we attract everything. I've been of that school of thought myself for a long time. I'm just adding my point of view on a few things you mentioned.

The only thing I don't quite agree on with you is that the girl experienced the rape in your example for the purpose of feeling what it would feel like to experience that process, kind of like choosing a new candybar you haven't tried yet just for fun. I think it's more probable that the girl attracted the event unconsiously.

[Vicariously Yours]

All good points, Paul. Thanks for your input.

I do believe that the girl attracted the event unconsciously. But I also believe that the Soul might have some influence over the unconscious/subconscious, which, in turn, (and via the Law of Attraction) brings on the experiences.

Oh, and thanks for not bashing me about the things I've said here. I'm just trying to understand this thing called Life, and sometimes the only way I can do that is to throw out a statement just to see how others will react to it. As in this case: you've mentioned a few clarifying points I hadn't considered, but which I think are quite valid.

Bill

[Vicariously Yours]

It's hard for me to explain, but I believe that our soul/spirit *IS* our consciousness. Our bodies and brains are just projections of that consciousness. Even though undreneath the illusion we are actually above space and time, within the illusion of existance as seperate souls we are actually choosing to participate in space/time and choosing to project our physical bodies into the physical world.

In other words, our souls are pieces of fragmented God choosing to create space and time (albeit unconciously) and projecting our physical bodies on earth as a means to learn the lessons and experience the experiences we are choosing.

Nicely put, Paul. Makes sense this way. Thanks.

Bill

[Lisa777]

Bill said: "But I also believe that the Soul might have some influence over the unconscious/subconscious"


So with this statement are you saying there IS another influence? Could you define what you mean by "soul"?

[searstower]

@bill

I actually agree with Bill's first post. The 'universe is one and we all are god' idea sits better with me.

I will admit that I don't really see any logic that could prove that this is how the world works, and I can see how logic, actually, is on the side of subjective realists. After all, any evidence or feelings or "but then...?" questions could all be answered by saying, "Well, you wanted to see the world that way, so that's how you created it."

It's funny, because I do think subjective reality is real and common, I just don't see it as being the be all, end all about how the world works.

In my opinion, we live in a subjective reality but at the level of consciousness, not at the level of the creation of the entire world.

If our own subjective reality was all there was, and we realized that, wouldn't that feel kind of pointless? "Ok, so I just made up the last 24 years of my life. What do I want to make up about the next 40?" Where's the challenge and fulfillment there? How can you find happiness if you believe in subjective reality?

Also, why would you assume that the soul is outside the realm of space and time? If it was outside the realm of time, it would mean that it is in eternal time. If it was in eternal time, it would mean that our soul is God. If our soul is God, then it wouldn't need to experience anything on earth because it already experienced everything in all of time.

We don't need to experience anything on earth, we choose to experience it. I believe we are spiritual beings having a physical experience, and we choose to have these experiences because it helps us understand ourselves better and evolve more.

This may be too woo woo for some people, but I believe that before we come to earth as humans, we are given a mission to complete and we choose certain aspects and experiences of our life. We choose the family we will be born into. We choose the country, the timeperiod, and many of the major events in our life.

We all come here with a purpose. Whether that mission is to be hurt so that we can know love better, to spread our light to foreign lands or to give others the opportunity to help us, it's up to each individual to figure out and to pursue.

The only thing I don't quite agree on with you is that the girl experienced the rape in your example for the purpose of feeling what it would feel like to experience that process, kind of like choosing a new candybar you haven't tried yet just for fun. I think it's more probable that the girl attracted the event unconsiously.

How can you open yourself up to be truly loved when you know no fear or hurt?

In my view of the world, souls who choose missions like this deserve massive respect. Because there is really no separation, whatever lessons they learn help the rest of us. And because consciousness is omnipotent, that soul knew what they were getting into. They saw how it ended, how lonely and hurt they would be, and did it anyway.

And I'm describing them as separate to facilitate understanding of my point, but since 'they' really are 'we', 'we' deserve massive respect.



Anyhow, I thought I'd put this out there in case it helps anyone else on their quest. I believe these things simply because it makes me feel better. Open discussion is, of course, encouraged, but if anyone wants to flame or troll, too bad.

Radiant Rebecca

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by searstower;50963In my opinion, we live in a subjective reality [I

but at the level of consciousness[/i], not at the level of the creation of the entire world.

Yes, brilliant. THat's what I think too. God, defined as being all there is, would have no need for subjective reality. Subjective reality is only needed when used by an incomplete being that believes in duality at the moment. Subjective reality requires duality.

If our own subjective reality was all there was, and we realized that, wouldn't that feel kind of pointless? "Ok, so I just made up the last 24 years of my life. What do I want to make up about the next 40?" Where's the challenge and fulfillment there? How can you find happiness if you believe in subjective reality?

Your spirit/soul participates in subjective reality. Why? Because it's using it for a purpose. Whether you want to say it's to learn a lesson of some sort, to overcome some form of flaw or imperfection, or just to experience life, in either case there is some form of purpose behind the need for subjective reality to exist other than it existing just because we haven't figure out it exists yet. If it worked that way, there would be this big world of 6 billion people (all subjective reality projections) and then all of a sudden while doing something, someone on earth realizes we're in a subjective reality and with that realization POOOF we all dissapear back into being God.

We don't need to experience anything on earth, we choose to experience it. I believe we are spiritual beings having a physical experience, and we choose to have these experiences because it helps us understand ourselves better and evolve more.

Yes, and because we are spiritual being that still need to understand ourselves better or learn lessons, it means we are still incomplete/unperfect spirits. In other words, we haven't yet realized and accepted fully that we are actually God. Our lessons here take us in that direction.

This may be too woo woo for some people, but I believe that before we come to earth as humans, we are given a mission to complete and we choose certain aspects and experiences of our life. We choose the family we will be born into. We choose the country, the timeperiod, and many of the major events in our life.

We all come here with a purpose. Whether that mission is to be hurt so that we can know love better, to spread our light to foreign lands or to give others the opportunity to help us, it's up to each individual to figure out and to pursue.

Yup, except that I believe we don't choose BEFORE we arrive, we choose WHILE we arrive. Meaning, we are continually choosing our realite in the present moment. In other words, the future and the past are not as stable as we think they are.

[absvan]

Originally Posted by searstower

@bill

This may be too woo woo for some people, but I believe that before we come to earth as humans, we are given a mission to complete and we choose certain aspects and experiences of our life. We choose the family we will be born into. We choose the country, the timeperiod, and many of the major events in our life.

We all come here with a purpose. Whether that mission is to be hurt so that we can know love better, to spread our light to foreign lands or to give others the opportunity to help us, it's up to each individual to figure out and to pursue.

Radiant Rebecca

If everything is predecided, then we really dont have any free will. We have to live with the plans that make our destiny. Doesnt this conflict with LOA which says that we choose our destiny.

I have had this question in my head and havent found a clear answer. Ofcourse I have different possible solutions but I would like to know what everyone here thinks about this.

[searstower]

If everything is predecided, then we really dont have any free will. We have to live with the plans that make our destiny. Doesnt this conflict with LOA which says that we choose our destiny.

You are right. If everything is predecided, then we don't have free will.

But I don't believe everything is predecided. Think of it this way...

The parameters are predecided, but the end result is not.

Just because we come here with a purpose doesn't mean we have to fulfill that purpose. Furthermore, I think most people's purposes are general enough that they can be fulfilled in a wide variety of ways.

We have free reign and 100% free will not to fulfill the mission that we set for ourselves.

So we do choose our destiny.

Radiant Rebecca

[absvan]

I am still confused.

This is what I understand. We have a mission. But how we accomplish it is upto us and therein lies our free will. If I am right so far, then I didnt understant the last part -

Originally Posted by searstower

We have free reign and 100% free will not to fulfill the mission that we set for ourselves.

If we really dont have to fullfil the mission, then whats the purpose of the mission in the first place??

[escapee]

I do believe that the girl attracted the event unconsciously.

I think the girl was simply a victim of a much powerful evil intention from external force (or LOA from a bad person ) . She is a victim and she did very little to attract the incident to herself. It's the other way round . The rapist forced his powerful wicked intention/LOA on the innocent and unawared girl that he met by chance and it could be everyone else girl.

I'm trying to inject a little bit of logical sense here ..

[searstower]

Originally Posted by escapee

I think the girl was simply a victim of a much powerful evil intention from external force (or LOA from a bad person ) . She is a victim and she did very little to attract the incident to herself. It's the other way round . The rapist forced his powerful wicked intention/LOA on the innocent and unawared girl that he met by chance and it could be everyone else girl.

I'm trying to inject a little bit of logical sense here ..

Unfortunately escapee, there is no place for logic in belief.

If you feel that the girl was a victim of a more powerful external force, then you must also believe that you could become a victim to a more powerful external force, and that someone else could force their will on you.

I personally find that disempowering, so I choose to believe something else. I may not be right, but it helps me sleep at night.

Radiant Rebecca

PS - By the way, here's an interesting somewhat related fact I learned recently. A group of researchers spent years interviewing serial rapists. When asked what the group of women who got away from their potential rapists did differently, the answer was the same straight across the board. "Anything."

Of all the women these men had targeted, only 5% even bothered to try to fight back.

That means that 95% of these woman believed they were a victim before they were actually victims. There's some food for thought for you.

[searstower]

Originally Posted by absvan

I am still confused.

This is what I understand. We have a mission. But how we accomplish it is upto us and therein lies our free will. If I am right so far, then I didnt understant the last part -

If we really dont have to fullfil the mission, then whats the purpose of the mission in the first place??

I don't know for sure. I'm guessing the bigger purpose is to evolve the whole race and the human consciousness. That's an answer that makes sense to me and seems to fit, but I don't know what the purpose of *your* mission is. That's for you to find out.

Radiant Rebecca

[escapee]

If you feel that the girl was a victim of a more powerful external force, then you must also believe that you could become a victim to a more powerful external force, and that someone else could force their will on you.

Knowing that someone else could force their will on me is a good thing because it makes me more alertive to defense against or avoid such forces with my defensive LOA/intention.

The victim is just a little girl who may not even know what is rape ..

plz come back to reality

[escapee]

Is There a "Criminal" Brain?

The prefrontal cortex of men who have antisocial personality disorder (ASPD) has 11% less gray matter (1). PET scans, which measure the uptake of glucose to determine the amount of cell activity, have shown that the prefrontal cortex is less active in those with ASPD (8). In one study, 38 murderers were tested; twelve came from bad backgrounds and 26 from good backgrounds. The subjects from good backgrounds showed 5.7% less activity in the medial prefrontal cortex compared to the subjects from bad backgrounds (8). The activity was 14.2% less than the bad background subjects in the right orbital frontal cortex (8).

These results provide a lot of evidence that the brains of those with antisocial personality are different from normal brains. The prefrontal cortex is known to inhibit the limbic system, which is an area of the brain that gives rise to aggressive behavior (8).

[searstower]

Knowing that someone else could force their will on me is a good thing because it makes me more alertive to defense against or avoid such forces with my defensive LOA/intention.

ah... Knowing that someone else could try to force their will on you a good thing.

It may seem a small grammar mistake, but by saying 'knowing that someone else could force their will on you', you've basically already accepted your role as a victim.

Anyway, this is getting a bit off topic but I thought I'd point out that little tiny important word change.

[Vicariously Yours]

Originally Posted by Lisa777

Bill said: "But I also believe that the Soul might have some influence over the unconscious/subconscious"


So with this statement are you saying there IS another influence? Could you define what you mean by "soul"?

The soul, as I see it, is the non-physical entity of which the physical self is a much smaller, much more limited extension. Put another way, the soul is a fragment of God whose purpose it is to experience existence from a unique perspective. (God, being the all that is, cannot, per se, experience anything, given that God is already everything. But God "fragments" Her/Him/Itself into smaller "souls" for the purpose of experiencing, of viewing events from a limited perspective.) The soul determines the physical experiences it is interested in having, and creates extensions of itself (physical incarnations) in order to fulfill those intentions. Since the soul is outside of time, it can have various physical extensions occuring at several points in time simultaneously. It has been suggested that this simultaneity can explain the appearance of reincarnation...but I won't go there right now.

I am on the fence when it comes to determining just how much the soul influences its physical extension. I am inclined to agree with some of the earlier posts on this thread who propose that the soul might have an initial agenda of sorts, but its physical extension can overrule that agenda if it so desires. (I used to practice astrology, and there was an old adage I learned early on: the stars incline, they do not command). However, if the physical extension doesn't put any conscious thought into what it wants to experience, or any conscious effort in that direction, then the "default" experiences, as preconceived by the soul, are what will be experienced. The soul would exert its influence, I believe, by communicating with the unconscious/subconscious mind.

Of course, I don't claim any originality along these lines...much of what I believe comes from a mix of The Seth Material and Conversations with God.

I, too, do not believe that an entity can visit its influence on another entity without that entity's explicit invitation (whether conscious or unconscious). Meaning that there are no victims on this plane (or any plane, for that matter). I still maintain that the girl we've been talking about was not a victim; her attacker was invited, and for reasons that were both good and divine, whether we as onlookers can know (or understand) those reasons or not.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by searstower

PS - By the way, here's an interesting somewhat related fact I learned recently. A group of researchers spent years interviewing serial rapists. When asked what the group of women who got away from their potential rapists did differently, the answer was the same straight across the board. "Anything."

Of all the women these men had targeted, only 5% even bothered to try to fight back.

That means that 95% of these woman believed they were a victim before they were actually victims. There's some food for thought for you.

Not that it is that relevant to the discussion ... but I should point out that I've also read that rape victims who were murdered / badly injured also overwhelmingly belong to the category of women who tried to fight back.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by escapee

.... because it makes me more alertive to defense against or avoid such forces with my defensive LOA/intention.

And you just committed a common mistake with your IM technique.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by absvan

If everything is predecided, then we really dont have any free will.

Oh it is quite simple.

We all have free will. However, it is limited. (Ask any smoker, drug addict or alcoholic, and you will see).

We can seek to expand our capacity for free will. This is a lifelong exercise, if you choose to embark on it.