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| Why is this such a difficult principle for many (too many, I think) of the people on this forum to accept? The Universe is attraction-based, which is the basis for the Law of Attraction and IM: like attracts like. You cannot experience anything that you have not in some way attracted. And the Law of Attraction is a constant: you can't employ the law only on those occasions when it's convenient or painless, or when you're trying to manifest a Porsche, and then "turn it off" when it gives you something too hot to handle. As in the case of the young girl in Florida who was raped and then buried alive. Tragic? You bet. Only the most callous would say otherwise. It is the worst kind of pain to have to bury your child. And her manner of death is staggeringly difficult to comprehend. But anyone who professes a belief in the Law of Attraction, and then in the same breath declares that anyone who suffers some sort of tragedy--be they infants dying of starvation, or pre-pubescent girls brutally raped and murdered, young men dying of AIDS, or elderly folks with Alzheimer's--can't possibly, on some level, have attracted their circumstances, doesn't truly believe--or understand--the Law of Attraction. Here's the train of thought that leads me to make such an audacious and incendiary remark: 1) God is the All That Is. This means that there is nothing that is not God. That includes all the people in the Universe, the animals, the rocks, the air. Everything, and all the space that appears to separate it, is actually God. 2) God is omnicient. God knows everything. And all the little "pieces" of God are omnicient in the same way (this is because there really aren't any "pieces" of God...God is one tremendously huge single entity that "appears" to be a jumble of separate things. Remember, there isn't anything that isn't God). 3) God is the creative force (all the force, actually) of the Universe. And since we are all God, we, too, are that creative force. 4) Obviously, nothing "happens" to God. Whatever "happens" does so at the clear behest of God. 5)It naturally follows from the above that nothing "happens" to anyone--regardless of appearances--without their invitation. It is a mistake to believe that our puny brains, and the conscious mind that is housed there, is the true intelligence behind our infinite existence. That is actually the province of the Soul, which is infinitely more powerful, and is outside the realm of time and space. The Law of Attraction is merely one means by which the Soul creates its various experiences, both good and bad (read, convenient and not-so-convenient). The conscious mind participates, of course, and contributes toward the decisions made by the Soul. But it is rather like a force being applied to the tip of an iceberg, attempting to change its course in the water: it takes a considerable, persistent force to manage the change, expecially if the change is drastic. So. A Soul decides to incarnate on the Earth as a girl. It might appear that this girl is delicate, innocent, naive, and vulnerable. It might appear (even to her conscious mnd) that she is alone and separate from God. The reality is that she is a physical extension of a tremendously powerful spiritual entity (itself an extension of God) with a very specific agenda. And one of the items on that agenda is to meet a certain man on a certain day who will do some horrific--to our limited perception, anyway--things to her, and she will pass back into the spirit realm with one more interesting experience under her/his/its belt. And it's off to the next exciting adventure. I freely admit that this scenario demands a certain element of faith. My views are not for everyone, of course. But it seems to me that an integral part of the Law of Attraction (one rarely mentioned) is this oneness with God, and the realization that we are imbued with the same powers. We mourn the little girl, I think, because we do not see behind the physical masks we all wear. We do not firmly believe in our oneness with God. Hence, the little girl's suffering and death are a (false) reminder that we, too, could experience such a fate. And we are terrified. |
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Also, why would you assume that the soul is outside the realm of space and time? If it was outside the realm of time, it would mean that it is in eternal time. If it was in eternal time, it would mean that our soul is God. If our soul is God, then it wouldn't need to experience anything on earth because it already experienced everything in all of time. It's hard for me to explain, but I believe that our soul/spirit *IS* our consciousness. Our bodies and brains are just projections of that consciousness. Even though undreneath the illusion we are actually above space and time, within the illusion of existance as seperate souls we are actually choosing to participate in space/time and choosing to project our physical bodies into the physical world. In other words, our souls are pieces of fragmented God choosing to create space and time (albeit unconciously) and projecting our physical bodies on earth as a means to learn the lessons and experience the experiences we are choosing. I do not disagree with your statement that we attract everything. I've been of that school of thought myself for a long time. I'm just adding my point of view on a few things you mentioned. The only thing I don't quite agree on with you is that the girl experienced the rape in your example for the purpose of feeling what it would feel like to experience that process, kind of like choosing a new candybar you haven't tried yet just for fun. I think it's more probable that the girl attracted the event unconsiously.
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| All good points, Paul. Thanks for your input. I do believe that the girl attracted the event unconsciously. But I also believe that the Soul might have some influence over the unconscious/subconscious, which, in turn, (and via the Law of Attraction) brings on the experiences. Oh, and thanks for not bashing me about the things I've said here. I'm just trying to understand this thing called Life, and sometimes the only way I can do that is to throw out a statement just to see how others will react to it. As in this case: you've mentioned a few clarifying points I hadn't considered, but which I think are quite valid. Bill |
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| @bill I actually agree with Bill's first post. The 'universe is one and we all are god' idea sits better with me. I will admit that I don't really see any logic that could prove that this is how the world works, and I can see how logic, actually, is on the side of subjective realists. After all, any evidence or feelings or "but then...?" questions could all be answered by saying, "Well, you wanted to see the world that way, so that's how you created it." It's funny, because I do think subjective reality is real and common, I just don't see it as being the be all, end all about how the world works. In my opinion, we live in a subjective reality but at the level of consciousness, not at the level of the creation of the entire world. If our own subjective reality was all there was, and we realized that, wouldn't that feel kind of pointless? "Ok, so I just made up the last 24 years of my life. What do I want to make up about the next 40?" Where's the challenge and fulfillment there? How can you find happiness if you believe in subjective reality? Quote:
This may be too woo woo for some people, but I believe that before we come to earth as humans, we are given a mission to complete and we choose certain aspects and experiences of our life. We choose the family we will be born into. We choose the country, the timeperiod, and many of the major events in our life. We all come here with a purpose. Whether that mission is to be hurt so that we can know love better, to spread our light to foreign lands or to give others the opportunity to help us, it's up to each individual to figure out and to pursue. Quote:
In my view of the world, souls who choose missions like this deserve massive respect. Because there is really no separation, whatever lessons they learn help the rest of us. And because consciousness is omnipotent, that soul knew what they were getting into. They saw how it ended, how lonely and hurt they would be, and did it anyway. And I'm describing them as separate to facilitate understanding of my point, but since 'they' really are 'we', 'we' deserve massive respect. Anyhow, I thought I'd put this out there in case it helps anyone else on their quest. I believe these things simply because it makes me feel better. Open discussion is, of course, encouraged, but if anyone wants to flame or troll, too bad. Radiant Rebecca |
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I have had this question in my head and havent found a clear answer. Ofcourse I have different possible solutions but I would like to know what everyone here thinks about this. |
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But I don't believe everything is predecided. Think of it this way... The parameters are predecided, but the end result is not. Just because we come here with a purpose doesn't mean we have to fulfill that purpose. Furthermore, I think most people's purposes are general enough that they can be fulfilled in a wide variety of ways. We have free reign and 100% free will not to fulfill the mission that we set for ourselves. So we do choose our destiny. Radiant Rebecca |
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| I am still confused. This is what I understand. We have a mission. But how we accomplish it is upto us and therein lies our free will. If I am right so far, then I didnt understant the last part - Quote:
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I'm trying to inject a little bit of logical sense here ..
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If you feel that the girl was a victim of a more powerful external force, then you must also believe that you could become a victim to a more powerful external force, and that someone else could force their will on you. I personally find that disempowering, so I choose to believe something else. I may not be right, but it helps me sleep at night. Radiant Rebecca PS - By the way, here's an interesting somewhat related fact I learned recently. A group of researchers spent years interviewing serial rapists. When asked what the group of women who got away from their potential rapists did differently, the answer was the same straight across the board. "Anything." Of all the women these men had targeted, only 5% even bothered to try to fight back. That means that 95% of these woman believed they were a victim before they were actually victims. There's some food for thought for you. |
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The victim is just a little girl who may not even know what is rape .. plz come back to reality
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It may seem a small grammar mistake, but by saying 'knowing that someone else could force their will on you', you've basically already accepted your role as a victim. Anyway, this is getting a bit off topic but I thought I'd point out that little tiny important word change. |
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I am on the fence when it comes to determining just how much the soul influences its physical extension. I am inclined to agree with some of the earlier posts on this thread who propose that the soul might have an initial agenda of sorts, but its physical extension can overrule that agenda if it so desires. (I used to practice astrology, and there was an old adage I learned early on: the stars incline, they do not command). However, if the physical extension doesn't put any conscious thought into what it wants to experience, or any conscious effort in that direction, then the "default" experiences, as preconceived by the soul, are what will be experienced. The soul would exert its influence, I believe, by communicating with the unconscious/subconscious mind. Of course, I don't claim any originality along these lines...much of what I believe comes from a mix of The Seth Material and Conversations with God. I, too, do not believe that an entity can visit its influence on another entity without that entity's explicit invitation (whether conscious or unconscious). Meaning that there are no victims on this plane (or any plane, for that matter). I still maintain that the girl we've been talking about was not a victim; her attacker was invited, and for reasons that were both good and divine, whether we as onlookers can know (or understand) those reasons or not. |
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We all have free will. However, it is limited. (Ask any smoker, drug addict or alcoholic, and you will see). We can seek to expand our capacity for free will. This is a lifelong exercise, if you choose to embark on it. |

