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[joelr]

Originally Posted by themaster

All of life is opinion.. are you telling me that I ignore good advice.. or are you saying it's your opinion I ignore good advice..??

You see.. I take what works.. I use what I like.. if it doesn't resonate.. why should I adopt it..??

Because you seem to think "resonate" is some special thing that means "truth". But your information is so removed from truth that it's obviously not a real thing. It's just your ego calling people names and ad hominem attacks used to try to make yourself sound "right".
Other peoples ideas you often call "observations" as if it's not as accurate as your special magic resonating. I don't buy that at all.

In that case actually listening to other people may be helpful.

Originally Posted by themaster

Your argument fundamentally makes no sense.. I very much approve of you not taking anything from me you don't like.. fine by me.. everyone should use what "resonates"

Yes, very common argument.. heard it many times.. "your apology is ridiculous"

But why is it?

You hear it a lot because the thing you are usually apologizing for is something you just keep doing.

Originally Posted by themaster

Is this the one where we gather around the playground and all call 1 person nasty names.. you tell me?

Why ask me? Your the name caller? If you can't handle it don't start it.

Originally Posted by themaster

Perhaps I'm blind to these insults..?? maybe you should spell them out..?? we have all this quoting text.. haven't seen you quote anything I said as negative or mean..

From nowhere at all you say I'm limited, stuck, have "problems", I'm "staying limited", that I'm not "in love and empowered and loving life", I'm stuck in an "stuck in a ENDLESS loop of existence", I'm "unable to move forward just like DECADES old "new agers"", etc, etc, on and on.

Then you pretend like you don't insult people.

It's just a bunch of judgments, ad hominems mixed in with some buzzwords. Then an endless barrage of questions about "are you angry joelr? are you angry joelr?? huh? huh?

You haven't even attempted to answer the actual question.

Originally Posted by themaster

Joelr, many people have read this text.. it's interesting that they don't always find my comments "insulting" sometimes they find it enlightening.. are they just all.. what was that term you used "fundamentalist type"?

I don't feel the need to bring anyone else into the discussion. I'm surprised you bring that up considering all the high-level knowledge posters who have said they prefer to not engage with you. You really want to go there?

Originally Posted by themaster

Was everyday miserable as a child or were most of them exciting.. cool things going on.. something you love to do.. I'm a nintendo and atari child.. what no video games at your house..?? Ohh.. well

Happiness if you ask me becomes conditional as you become a adult.. it has something to do with ideas of "I need to mate" "I have to work for a living.. wtf?" "I need food clothing and electricity to survive"

This is the start of adulthood if you ask me.. and misery..

I disagree with that. My adult time has been much happier. Much. My childhood was filled with Atari. But being a child brings very dramatic lows for all children and teenagers. The yin/yang couldn't be more obvious and an important part of growth.
Adult life has it as well but this time it can be mastered. The downs are just as important as the ups anyway.
It's conditional if you look for happiness from other sources. Spirituality is a way to get beyond that.

Originally Posted by themaster

I understand for the record some people have "bad" childhoods.. still my understanding is.. if you examine your memory's.. (assuming you have them) you will be able to notice you were much more "content" as a child and much more "happy" then you may be today..

Adult life is great.

Originally Posted by themaster

This is duality.. try and think outside the box..

No, the concept of happiness/sadness being aspects of the same whole, a duality like that IS thinking outside the box

Originally Posted by themaster

But the point.. it's more than possible to get positive feedback all the time from it.. that's possible! not impossible!

I think the feedback your getting is wrong. If it's telling you to lay down jugments and all that crap on other people then it's just your ego.

[joelr]

Originally Posted by themaster

If you don't see this as a problem.. why are you talking with me?

You see I automatically admonish and accept your viewpoint.. I would never argue that my truths are YOUR truths..

So the question is why are you arguing YOUR truths to me.. why are you justifying what you believe?

Interesting questions, yes..?? well remember there just questions

Hmm, interesting. Turning a discussion around, asking me "why are you arguing and justifying your truths" as if there was no need to in the first place.

Except what I was responding to was this total negativity.:

Originally Posted by themaster

"And that's your problem, joelr.. you can't rectify there truths.. so you're stuck in a ENDLESS loop of existence.. unable to move forward just like DECADES old "new agers".. stuck in there truths and lies..
The secret to moving forward is to "let go" in fact the secret is a word I don't usually use/nor like.. "surrender" "

Then I respond and you make it off like "why are you responding joelr??" "why are you justifying your beliefs joelr".

When you know I was just responding to a total bunch of negative cynical needless judgment. Not to mention cynical again, which you just said that cynical statements show lack. you said:

"What's cynical again..?? ohh, yah a negative emotion based in lack.."


So you use other peoples "cynical" statements to suggest they have some sort of emotional lack yet your doing the same thing.
All I can see here is you playing games and trying to put others down. Everything in these posts are just ego games. Wordgames, head games,...hypocritical judgments.

If you really want to point out cynical things fine, but you have been coming up with far more cynicism. It's all in writing. My job isn't to teach how to debate like an adult, maybe I don't even know? But anyway pointing out your ego trip is now becoming tiring.

Do you have anything to say about the original question that is not just ad hominem set ups?

[joelr]

Originally Posted by themaster

I think you mean "EGO" not discern..

I think you mean "intellectualize" not trust your "heart"

Now you're telling me what I mean? Again you're wrong.

Originally Posted by themaster

Why keep searching for "truth" why haven't you found that illusive "truth", yet?

You don't know anything about what truths I have or haven't found. Maybe you assume I haven't found any because I am not impressed with your writings. At any rate it's not a subject I would discuss with you.

Originally Posted by themaster

Do you enjoy the search?? Do you enjoy the EGO "a ha's"?? (I know about those )

But there long and hard and require struggle.. much unhappiness, yes?

Here I am saying.. "hey, there's a shortcut.. just be happy!" lol tired and cliché' I know..

No, my path has been incredibly rewarding. Please don't engage me in personal questions. It's creepy.

Originally Posted by themaster

Maybe, you should spend time studying my words.. you might be surprised.. at what I say.. cause I don't think I fit the box.. you think I do..

Well I'm not going to say. Just as I asked you to not ask out of context personal questions I'm not going to make any generalizations about what kind of person/life you lead.
But I will say, the way you're constantly harping on "unhappy adult life" and "why can't you find the truth" is so uncalled for that it's almost stalker-like.
If your life sucks I'm sorry.
All I can imagine is you're hoping I had a crap life and your strange guessing "resonates" with me. That's really ackward. I've been very fortunate, but please, why you often do that is something I don't want to know. Or even have to mention ever again.

Originally Posted by themaster

That's all I said to you "joelr" I think your drawn to my light.. the question I ask you is.. why? (and I have asked you that question 59 times now.. )
Okay, joelr I validate your truth.. but I also validate my assessment..

I'm sorry I don't view you as any type of guru, teacher or whatever of metaphysics.

I retract my question about why skepticism might be an ego trait. The answer would mean nothing to me.
While fun for my ego at first, defending myself against your sneaky attacks is getting dull.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by joelr

Because you seem to think "resonate" is some special thing that means "truth". But your information is so removed from truth that it's obviously not a real thing. It's just your ego calling people names and ad hominem attacks used to try to make yourself sound "right".
Other peoples ideas you often call "observations" as if it's not as accurate as your special magic resonating. I don't buy that at all.

joelr, where is the argument coming from..?? it's the kind of argument.. I'd expect at the "salem witch trials" then next you say "burn her"

I mean you really do sound angry in these words perhaps we should discontinue this conversation..??

Originally Posted by joelr

You hear it a lot because the thing you are usually apologizing for is something you just keep doing.

If you want to understand where I'm coming from..

Then you have to understand I believe there's no wrong way to be.. that even includes action

(is that back able up in a proof based situation..?? it remains to be tested)

Originally Posted by joelr

Why ask me? Your the name caller? If you can't handle it don't start it.

I honestly, don't name call.. I label and observe.. but as I always say.. "I don't care" now it may be true to say I also do care.. and that would also be a true statement..

But I hold no sliver of "malice" to you joelr, were just having a conversation mostly "neutral" based

Originally Posted by joelr

From nowhere at all you say I'm limited, stuck, have "problems", I'm "staying limited

That is the human condition, man! That's how I see us all.. even myself OMG!

Originally Posted by joelr

that I'm not "in love and empowered and loving life"

joelr, I want to say this clearly.. I only know you based on what you offer in your text.. (and perhaps a hint of psychic information I get) that's the best I know you.. I would probably know a lot more about you if I met you in person and sat down with you for an hour..

But even those are just "assumptions" and "perspective based guess's" it's not ABSOLUTE truth.. it's just my opinion of your "oneness"

If I really wish to know you.. I believe the "akash" does that

Originally Posted by joelr

I'm stuck in an "stuck in a ENDLESS loop of existence", I'm "unable to move forward just like DECADES old "new agers"", etc, etc, on and on.

This is my assessment/analysis based on many, many conversations with you.. It is just my *guess* doesn't mean it's right, doesn't mean it's wrong..

Perhaps however it is right.. if it hits a nerve you tell me, joelr I bow to your wisdom.. you should know you.. best right???

Originally Posted by joelr

Then you pretend like you don't insult people.

I may insult people.. but I didn't write it to be "insulting" (and yet, I did me and my double standards ) what I mean is.. I write my text from neutral..

Pointing out what I see.. but again you can use your FILTER and rather than hear it "neutrally" you can take it negatively.. and that's how a statement of "maybe your shirt is dirty" get's someone angry..

Really, pretend were too people on the street right now.. I look over and see your "shirt" has a stain on it.. I say.. hey, did you notice the stain

You look at me and glower because you feel insulted by my words and observations..

There is another way to take this.. the NEUTRAL way.. it is to say.. "ohh, no I didn't thanks or bye!"

Originally Posted by joelr

It's just a bunch of judgments, ad hominems mixed in with some buzzwords. Then an endless barrage of questions about "are you angry joelr? are you angry joelr?? huh? huh?

You haven't even attempted to answer the actual question.

Joelr, all my attempts are "subterfuge" they are in analogy.. a different way to look at the problem.. a different perspective..

I think the key to fixing all problems.. is to view them a different way.. obviously that takes a open mindset.. it takes a willingness to be open and neutral.. it doesn't take writing posts through "anger" and rage and when it does.. it takes owning up to and admitting it..

In comparison of my conversations of others.. they've admitted they were angry.. you haven't.. so either you're not angry.. or I read your text wrong..

Usually when someone "is angry" like I think you are.. and won't admit it.. it's there fighting cause to "not admit it" they'd hate to admit defeat or admit how they feel to the person they feel attacked and angry with..

[themaster]

Originally Posted by joelr

I don't feel the need to bring anyone else into the discussion. I'm surprised you bring that up considering all the high-level knowledge posters who have said they prefer to not engage with you. You really want to go there?

I like to discuss everything and anything.. joelr

Is it your assessment that I am "hated" and "disliked" in the forums.. shh.. you can tell me?

Originally Posted by joelr

I disagree with that. My adult time has been much happier. Much. My childhood was filled with Atari. But being a child brings very dramatic lows for all children and teenagers. The yin/yang couldn't be more obvious and an important part of growth.
Adult life has it as well but this time it can be mastered. The downs are just as important as the ups anyway.
It's conditional if you look for happiness from other sources. Spirituality is a way to get beyond that.

Well, I like your assessment.. and I validate your truth.. you and I should play some mario bros. or space invaders sometime..

Originally Posted by joelr

Adult life is great.

Okay, once again I validate your assessment/truth and agree it's more than possible to feel that way and I truly believe you

Just based on how positive and open your message is..

Originally Posted by joelr

No, the concept of happiness/sadness being aspects of the same whole, a duality like that IS thinking outside the boxo

I think it's describing the box.. from inside the box

Originally Posted by joelr

I think the feedback your getting is wrong. If it's telling you to lay down judgments and all that crap on other people then it's just your ego.

Joelr, I'm not into judgments.. I've come to the conclusion that judgment is really a "negatively charged word"

When you make a judgment it's basically a observation (which is more neutral based) but then you add a "negative" or a lack based viewpoint..

I'm trying to remember something I said about rape.. I think I'll look it up.. this is going to take at least 20 minutes cause it's buried in a rape thread..

Man I could not stop laughing.. as I read the last line of my post.. wow it's funny.. to me anyway..

Rape, Sexual Abuse, Human Trafficking, Mind Control Programming and LOA

Originally Posted by themaster

You know they don't call me "The Master" for nothing.. I can tell you where to buy cheap laptops How to fix adware How reality works and also where to get cheap New York pizza

I said all that in a very serious rape thread.. lol

Ahh, here we go..

Rape, Sexual Abuse, Human Trafficking, Mind Control Programming and LOA

And here's the follow-up post for Kaleido

Originally Posted by themaster

I think you miss-interpret again.. I was looking at the idea of rape..

Let’s say there’s 3 perspectives for sex alright.. lack or negative, neutral or blah/whatever and positive/fun/joyful..

Then under that definition again.. rape is a pure description of sex viewed with lack or negative if you wish..

See one could have sex that is supposedly unwanted and if they changed that definition to just okay or fun.. then it's not longer rape.. because rape needs lack in it or that negative connotation..

So what was I saying..

Ohh, yes.. so we all can observe things.. you go outside.. you see birds flying by, you see the garbage man pick up trash.. and there a observation or neutral when you just let them be.. but when you add polarity to it.. (wrong way to be.. right way to be)

Then they become JUDGMENTS

You see I'm saying the word judgments is like the word RAPE.. it's a lack based perspective of SEX..

When viewed neutrally..

All this research and stuff has lost my train of thought.. so re-quoting you

[themaster]

Originally Posted by joelr

I think the feedback your getting is wrong. If it's telling you to lay down jugments and all that crap on other people then it's just your ego.

I'm not laying down negative judgments..

I am not telling them there wrong.. it may go this way.. in one sentence.. I'll tell them they're wrong.. there limited.. in the next sentence I will let it go.. I will say they are absolutely fine..

You see I know there's nothing wrong with limitation.. I think limitation is a great game (or at least I used to.. before I worked with my teacher #3 )

And I'm telling you quite truthfully that as far as I'm aware my emotional body doesn't register "negative" when I write much of what I write...

I hope that explains things, joelr.. I know it might not.. but as you see I am trying..

Originally Posted by joelr

Hmm, interesting. Turning a discussion around, asking me "why are you arguing and justifying your truths" as if there was no need to in the first place.

Except what I was responding to was this total negativity.

If I didn't know better.. I'd say it's impossible for you to even look at yourself and acknowledge you might be "wrong"

See I at least try too.. but I can't find a "flaw" in me.. I am perfect even in imperfection..

What I want to remind you here.. is some people get very defensive (and this is a 2nd reminder I guess) and refuse to admit "they're wrong" and when they do no amount of convincing can convince them..

You have to remember and I certainly do that this is a forum.. where people can "pretend" to be someone else.. I try to be myself however.. no pretending necessary.. but the point is sometimes people like to pretend they're so goody-goody so truthful, so perfect that they can never admit there wrong.. this situation sometimes reminds me of something..

Originally Posted by joelr

Then I respond and you make it off like "why are you responding joelr??" "why are you justifying your beliefs joelr".

When you know I was just responding to a total bunch of negative cynical needless judgment. Not to mention cynical again, which you just said that cynical statements show lack. you said:

"What's cynical again..?? ohh, yah a negative emotion based in lack.."


So you use other peoples "cynical" statements to suggest they have some sort of emotional lack yet your doing the same thing.
All I can see here is you playing games and trying to put others down. Everything in these posts are just ego games. Word games, head games,...hypocritical judgments.

If you really want to point out cynical things fine, but you have been coming up with far more cynicism. It's all in writing. My job isn't to teach how to debate like an adult, maybe I don't even know? But anyway pointing out your ego trip is now becoming tiring.

Do you have anything to say about the original question that is not just ad hominem set ups?

Actually, I see your point

But what is the original question..? even I don't remember

Originally Posted by joelr

Now you're telling me what I mean? Again you're wrong.

I validate your truth

Originally Posted by joelr

You don't know anything about what truths I have or haven't found. Maybe you assume I haven't found any because I am not impressed with your writings. At any rate it's not a subject I would discuss with you.

I'm a open book.. any subject is valid with me.. but this one is closed for you.. fine then

Originally Posted by joelr

No, my path has been incredibly rewarding. Please don't engage me in personal questions. It's creepy.

2nd judgment..

Originally Posted by joelr

Well I'm not going to say. Just as I asked you to not ask out of context personal questions I'm not going to make any generalizations about what kind of person/life you lead.
But I will say, the way you're constantly harping on "unhappy adult life" and "why can't you find the truth" is so uncalled for that it's almost stalker-like.
If your life sucks I'm sorry.
All I can imagine is you're hoping I had a crap life and your strange guessing "resonates" with me. That's really awkward. I've been very fortunate, but please, why you often do that is something I don't want to know. Or even have to mention ever again.

3rd and 4th judgment..

I like to talk personal.. joelr.. it's just my way.. even if I don't want to be personal.. at the same time

But we ultimately don't have much to discuss.. if you can't go there

(that's 2 subjects you've ruled out..)

Originally Posted by joelr

I'm sorry I don't view you as any type of guru, teacher or whatever of metaphysics.

It's not necessary for you to.. and while I claim I am.. I also claim I'm not.. (it's that weird thing I do where I claim I'm both sides of the coin )

Originally Posted by joelr

I retract my question about why skepticism might be an ego trait. The answer would mean nothing to me.
While fun for my ego at first, defending myself against your sneaky attacks is getting dull.

Judgment #5

Okay, if this is what were discussing fine by me

[James81]

I'm closing my eyes and putting a pen in my mouth just for you, themaster.

I do this because I am asking my subconscious to present to me the message that it mosts want ME to hear, through you.

As my fingers dance across the keyboard, something bubbles to the surface. An old memory long forgotten. I'm sitting in a hospital bed and there are people around me, I have an IV in my arm. I'm dehydrated, but they are fixing me.

Someone hands me a book. It looks like a coloring book but there are no crayons. This puzzles me. I'm only 6 years old and I am puzzled that someone gives me a coloring book with no crayons. How can I color this?

I open it up to discover a whole new world of entertainment and fun. It's not a coloring book. It's a lick-it-and-stick-it book. I push the little cut outs out of the pages, I lick the back of them, and then I past them into the drawings that has the same shape as the stick-its.

It's hilarously fun, but licking the stickers is nasty. It tastes like wilted ass. I look up and she, my cousin's friend, says to me: "Yeah, licking those are pretty nasty tasting, aren't they?"

I nod my head. She could see on my face that I got a bad taste in my mouth when I licked those stick-its.

The moral of this story: Hare today, Gooooon tomorrow. *BOP*

[Angela]

Originally Posted by James81

I'm closing my eyes and putting a pen in my mouth just for you, themaster.

I do this because I am asking my subconscious to present to me the message that it mosts want ME to hear, through you.

As my fingers dance across the keyboard, something bubbles to the surface. An old memory long forgotten. I'm sitting in a hospital bed and there are people around me, I have an IV in my arm. I'm dehydrated, but they are fixing me.

Someone hands me a book. It looks like a coloring book but there are no crayons. This puzzles me. I'm only 6 years old and I am puzzled that someone gives me a coloring book with no crayons. How can I color this?

I open it up to discover a whole new world of entertainment and fun. It's not a coloring book. It's a lick-it-and-stick-it book. I push the little cut outs out of the pages, I lick the back of them, and then I past them into the drawings that has the same shape as the stick-its.

It's hilarously fun, but licking the stickers is nasty. It tastes like wilted ass. I look up and she, my cousin's friend, says to me: "Yeah, licking those are pretty nasty tasting, aren't they?"

I nod my head. She could see on my face that I got a bad taste in my mouth when I licked those stick-its.

The moral of this story: Hare today, Gooooon tomorrow. *BOP*

That totally resonates with me, James. Thank you from my bottom to my heart.

[James81]

Originally Posted by Angela

That totally resonates with me, James. Thank you from my bottom to my heart.

You're welcome.

[James81]

Originally Posted by cortocabezas1111

This thread is wildly entertaining to read. Especially on an IM message board where a select group of members proudly announce their beliefs in subjective reality. This is such an interesting thread to read with the idea of subjective reality in mind, for many many many many many reasons.

I enjoyed reading each members different perspective and reaction to other members, while thinking about THEIR experience as being a subjective one, and what exactly, this "beef" says about them and their own self and subjective reality.

Like I read the whole conflict between Angela and themaster, and attempted to see how if Angela was the only CONSCIOUS being alive, and themaster was apart of her dream, her experience of her "self", what the interaction between her and themaster revealed about HER self, and what her action of ignoring him revealed about her, I mean if she is the only conscious being here, there is no themaster, he is just an aspect of her, correct? And his unpleasant style of communicating with her, that she clearly rejected (rather gracefully, don't get me wrong) and then chose to ignore, is also just another aspect of her. So what is really going on here? I mean, that is IF this whole subjective reality thing is really what's up.

Then it gets more interesting when you do the same, but from themaster's perspective. He made a thread about a newly realized ability that he has (always had) and it quite quickly almost turned into an anti-themaster thread. He style of typing was criticized, his use of smilies, his methods, his theories, the way he communicates with others, all of this was brought into discussion. Members stopped communicating with him!

But let's say this is themaster's subjective reality. He is the only conscious being. What does all of this say about him? Hmmmmmmm? Perhaps a lot of self judgment going on? Maybe a loss of trust or confidence in these ideas and beliefs that have carried him for so long. There seems to be a dent in the long word "themaster" armor, I've been a reader of his posts, and even communicated with him several times over PM when I used a different username here, before I went spanish, and he definitely seemed more...confident, more sure in these things he speaks about. Now it's almost like he is defending these ideas, attempting to prove them....to who? To himself? He is a good guy but used to seem more secure in his beliefs then he does now, and from a subjective reality standpoint, it's resulting in themasters REALITY being one of people attacking him, criticizing his ideas and the way he presents them. Is he criticizing them? Is he unsure? How does themaster's reality reflect what's going with him?

It's okay to out grow ideas and beliefs. It's pretty healthy and natural, don't hold yourself back. It's sad to see them go and sometimes hard but this is how we evolve. Take the important pieces of clothing out of the suitcase, and then leave all the baggage behind. You'll go further quickly, I mean all that luggage must get heavy and weigh you down.

Now.

Let's assume I'm the only conscious being here, and this is my subjective reality. What does this all say about me. While I spent a great deal of this thread, which I actively participated in observing, observing it. I posted, maybe one other time, just to bring awareness to the idea of subjective reality and it's relationship to this whole thread and themaster. But what did I manifest? What does this all say about me? Is this a manifestation of confused, arguing thoughts I have on the nature of reality and subjective reality and such? Is it a manifestation of the part of me that thinks I know it all, clashing with the part of me that is still open to all perceptions? Is themaster a manifestation of me outgrowing my old beliefs? Is the shell being stripped away? What does Angela represent to me in my reality? What about james or joelr? Hmmmm? Each person has a unique view point, some contradict and some agree, it's like my thoughts, from each angle of a subject, manifested before my eyes, discussing and debating their points and own existence.


Now what do I think of this thread? I'm not sure. I find that it's lacking honesty. Themaster is clearly very passive aggressive in some of his posts and most definitely insults other members, although he cleverly disguises it in such a way where he can deny it, or it's wearing a trench coat disguise made of new age jargon with a slight "see you don't get it" type of attitude behind it. He's been called out on it by members but seems to deny it, or say they misunderstood/misinterpretted him, which may be the case as well, although my perception of this event (which, if this reality is subjective, was the way I CHOSE to perceive it) is there definitely seems to be some slight hostility beneath themasters words. Maybe hostility isn't the best word, but...hmm aggressive defense?

Disguising insults with new age jargon, with condenscending detached therapuetic rhetoric, or spiritual mumbojumbo doesn't make them "not-insults". You know what you're doing and so does everybody else, so why not be honest? If you're going to insult somebody, insult them! Don't disguise it and then deny it, that just looks worse then straight up insulting somebody. (maybe its the marijuana, but i just had an idea for a Ron Popeil type informercial using the phrase "Just Disguise it! And Deny it!"). From my experience it's always been better to just be honest. It seems like members don't want other members to see the truth behind their actions, for then they'll be seen as "less enlightened" or "less woken up" or "less spiritual" or whatever, and it's silly. I'd rather themaster just be like "yeah I said that to be a dick, deal with it" then just deny it. (i don't mean to single you out here, themaster, this rant wasn't just directed at you sir)

Now again, after reading all of my thoughts about this, I again bring it back to my subjective reality. What does all of this, this thread, and my views on it say about me? I'm not so sure. I definitely yearn for honesty, but from who? From myself? Are these manifested thoughts disguised in the physical world as "forum members" a representation of confusion, and my rant on honesty being a result of me wanting some type of truth from them? Or is my rant on honesty due to me feeling like I am not honest? Hmmm. What does this thread mean to me?


What does this thread mean to YOU?

How do you feel about your mother?

[themaster]

I very much like your analysis

I will take this oppurtunity to re-read this thread and see if what you see is true for me

Originally Posted by James81

How do you feel about your mother?

lol

[Angela]

Originally Posted by cortocabezas1111

Like I read the whole conflict between Angela and themaster, and attempted to see how if Angela was the only CONSCIOUS being alive, and themaster was apart of her dream, her experience of her "self", what the interaction between her and themaster revealed about HER self, and what her action of ignoring him revealed about her, I mean if she is the only conscious being here, there is no themaster, he is just an aspect of her, correct? And his unpleasant style of communicating with her, that she clearly rejected (rather gracefully, don't get me wrong) and then chose to ignore, is also just another aspect of her. So what is really going on here? I mean, that is IF this whole subjective reality thing is really what's up.

Right on! (Except "ignoring" isn't what I'm choosing to do.)

[moonrambler]

If SR is true then this thread indicates I am one big freakin' multiple personality.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

If SR is true then this thread indicates I am one big freakin' multiple personality.

Ain't it the truth!

[themaster]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

If SR is true then this thread indicates I am one big freakin' multiple personality.

lol

Well, at least your not alone in the funny farm.. you got a scary indian to keep you company

_____________________

There seems to be something I am realizing consciously.. the truth is even if any of you were trying to help me.. I would probably refuse your help

What does that mean?

That means that even if you find a flaw in me.. I would not acknowledge it on the forum.. not cause it's a "sign of weakness" though it is

But because I would prefer to find that "flaw".. on my own, in my own time and in my own examinations..

That's seem to be something that's coming consciously to the surface it may be a bit of a "design flaw" but is my own flaw

Originally Posted by cylon

No, you'll become Rachel Maddow.

lol, lmao

I just got caught this joke.. pretty funny

[themaster]

I have another theory to entertain.. perhaps these words were not just about me.. but to get you to come out of your "shell" corto.. after all I do like what you wrote

I have really read most of what I said.. and I don't even see where "joelr" got these insults.. (I didn't see any others either)

All these insults left over from the john thread..??

I mean if there are insults.. I think it's time people "quoted" them because I don't see it??

I was curious to know what was going on in this conversation.. so I did a 1 card tarot draw.. got "the tower" perhaps that explains it all..?

(also I did note as I re-read my posts all my swear words were edited )

Yah, know I didn't know b**** was a swear word.. and I figured it wasn't since they say it on basic cable these days.. and the filter didn't **** it out I think..

_________

Well, I have thoroughly reviewed this thread.. taken a good look.. but I didn't see anything

I did see.. ironically that the threads I was describing that happen on the forum.. became one of my threads..

I want to again thank you for writing "corto" cause I enjoyed hearing your .02 it felt "heart" felt and analytical even like some of joelr's post which I liked too

I really do love getting down to the truth and the nitty-gritty.. I hope next time we blow up a tower.. we get to see the "special effects"

[wolfgang]

Classically there is a theory that when someone does something that bothers you a lot - then you have denied that part of you that is that way. it's a defense of the self to it's own feelings that have been repressed and judged.

This means that if you notice all these different views on this thread, doing different takes on what's being presented, are not you unless you are really really bothered by it - in that case it may be your own repressed stuff being shown to you through seeing it in someone else as "not me".

If you have no strong reactions to a different viewpoint, then you have not denied part of your nature while seeing others as "not me".

So, why would it make sense to go to the trouble of analyzing what's wrong with yourself when other people are going nuts and you aren't? If you see some people getting really hot under the collar at each other and it's just interesting to you - then it's not you in any way - you have a neutral reaction and are intact around that subject.

I don't see the point in SR to look deep and make everything that others argue about into something about myself, in other words.

The world is a reflection of you but only if you observe the world outside of you as "not you" - then it is a reflection. Otherwise it is already you and you are neutral and content and accepting with how it is.

[Melchior]

Originally Posted by cortocabezas1111

What does this thread mean to YOU?

It's a clever illusion, considering your original post (as quoted by James81) has gone missing at the time of this post. :/

[joelr]

Originally Posted by themaster

joelr, where is the argument coming from..?? it's the kind of argument.. I'd expect at the "salem witch trials" then next you say "burn her"

I mean you really do sound angry in these words perhaps we should discontinue this conversation..??

Frame the argument how you will, what your describing as "resonating" I see as only ego judgments.

I don't get why you care about who's angry or not. Anger is good, it's a good release of emotion. I'm just not angry right now.
But if you want to make judgments I can do the same -
You really do sound passive-aggressive in these words perhaps we should discontinue this conversation.

Originally Posted by themaster

Then you have to understand I believe there's no wrong way to be.. that even includes action

Untrue by your own words. By labeling actions as limited, stuck, etc.. that suggests it's the WRONG way to be. More backpeddling.
If you though there was no wrong was to be why bother labeling someone as stuck, having problems etc...

All of your metaphysics is completely at odds with how you interact with others.

Originally Posted by themaster

I honestly, don't name call.. I label and observe.. but as I always say.. "I don't care" now it may be true to say I also do care.. and that would also be a true statement..

That's funny, the way you twist words, as if your judgments about what's limited are "observations" in some intrinsic way.
It's name calling. You tell people they have "problems" with emotions, with their life path, with being stuck, then pretend it's not throwing poop by giving it a different name.
Maybe you actually don't realize, but that would be extremely nieve or plain stupid. I don't think you are that limited in intelligence so you realize what's what.
You just don't have the cahoonies to admit your name calling I guess.

So that's going nowhere.

Originally Posted by themaster

I may insult people.. but I didn't write it to be "insulting" (and yet, I did me and my double standards ) what I mean is.. I write my text from neutral..

Pointing out what I see.. but again you can use your FILTER and rather than hear it "neutrally" you can take it negatively.. and that's how a statement of "maybe your shirt is dirty" get's someone angry..

Name calling and pointing out a shirt is dirty are different things. Any passive-aggressive fool can say "hey your a total limited, stuck, moron" and then back up and say "oh don't use your negative filter on that". That's a game, it's not metaphysics.

But that would be like how junior kids argue. Misusing concepts they have learned but don't really understand.

Originally Posted by themaster

Really, pretend were too people on the street right now.. I look over and see your "shirt" has a stain on it.. I say.. hey, did you notice the stain

You look at me and glower because you feel insulted by my words and observations..

There is another way to take this.. the NEUTRAL way.. it is to say.. "ohh, no I didn't thanks or bye!"

Why not say it for what it is. Go up to some guy on the street and say "you're limited, stuck and you have problems".

Originally Posted by themaster

Joelr, all my attempts are "subterfuge" they are in analogy.. a different way to look at the problem.. a different perspective..

I think the key to fixing all problems.. is to view them a different way.. obviously that takes a open mindset.. it takes a willingness to be open and neutral.. it doesn't take writing posts through "anger" and rage and when it does.. it takes owning up to and admitting it..

Ahh, the manipulation is back. All that is nice but the truth is I don't have any of those problems you suggest. Nor anger, or a closed mind. That is fiction you made up. I imagine it's to try to make yourself look better?

They are judgments YOU made up. Shall I start numbering each judgment each time like you?? #1, #2

Originally Posted by themaster

In comparison of my conversations of others.. they've admitted they were angry.. you haven't.. so either you're not angry.. or I read your text wrong..

Usually when someone "is angry" like I think you are.. and won't admit it.. it's there fighting cause to "not admit it" they'd hate to admit defeat or admit how they feel to the person they feel attacked and angry with..

Being angry is in no way related to any kind of "defeat". Do you purposely insult people so when they appear angry you can soapbox some concept you have?

Yes, I feel attacked, because I was attacked. But I don't care, because most of what you say is fiction to me. Some people have to build themselves up by pointing out what's "LIMITED" about others. All of your statements in that regard I only see as desperate attempts do do this. I can't help you feel better about yourself.

Probably if you stopped trying to point out what's wrong with everyone you might have something to say of interest. I don't know?

I also don't follow why you bother to respond to something if all you say is "Judgment" ?
There are judgments all over your posts. Do you actually want a back and forth of posts that just quote sentences and say "JUDGMENT #307" "JUDGMENT #308" ?

Like your the only person who can pick out a judgment?

[themaster]

Originally Posted by joelr

Frame the argument how you will, what your describing as "resonating" I see as only ego judgments.

I don't get why you care about who's angry or not. Anger is good, it's a good release of emotion. I'm just not angry right now.
But if you want to make judgments I can do the same -
You really do sound passive-aggressive in these words perhaps we should discontinue this conversation.

I may very well be "passive-aggressive"

Yes, sure anger is good

The ultimate question I'm asking is why were you angry?

Originally Posted by joelr

Untrue by your own words. By labeling actions as limited, stuck, etc.. that suggests it's the WRONG way to be. More backpeddling.
If you though there was no wrong was to be why bother labeling someone as stuck, having problems etc...

All of your metaphysics is completely at odds with how you interact with others.

I always backpeddle.. seems to me you don't believe it's possible to "point out or observe limitations" but at the same time just suggests it's limiting..

Why do I use the word limiting??

Very simple.. it's a very neutral sounding word.. gets almost right to the heart of all our human problems

I remind you again joelr, labeling something as "neutral" has no polarity.. it is a "I don't care" attitude

I'd very much also say to you.. "labels" don't serve us..

Originally Posted by joelr

If you though there was no wrong was to be why bother labeling someone as stuck, having problems etc...

This is no "wrong" way to be.. there is a "limited" way to be

But if you like your limitations fine by me..

To me your argument reminds me of fighting for limitations.. we could all.. everyday.. exist inside of a "meditation" space.. all day, every day!

Where we don't have to "label" things or "speak" words.. where we walk calmly and lovingly around the earth.. but doesn't sound like that earth would work for you joelr..??

I think you'd rather think and read scientific reports.. and ponder and philosophize and call this one bad.. and that one good

That's not a "wrong" choice joelr, just limited

Originally Posted by joelr

All of your metaphysics is completely at odds with how you interact with others.

Really?? Do tell..

You tend to make a lot of statements with no backup.. but the statements I make I backup with examples and ideas.. when you ask me too...

Originally Posted by joelr

That's funny, the way you twist words, as if your judgments about what's limited are "observations" in some intrinsic way.

Joelr, we all have a labeler in our head.. and we sometimes use it.. some *random* person cuts us off in traffic we shout ass****

We meet our boss but thinks she's a "hard core b****" etc.

We do this all the time.. sure we don't voice it.. but those thoughts also create reality.. sometimes we can smile and pretend we like the person we "hate" but there really is a way to "like" everyone.. be neutral to everyone..

You may not be there.. certain others may not be there.. but it is possible

Judgment #6 (use of the word "twist")

[themaster]

Originally Posted by joelr

It's name calling. You tell people they have "problems" with emotions, with their life path, with being stuck, then pretend it's not throwing poop by giving it a different name.

Joelr.. since you're a expert on helping people you tell me?

If you see someone limited, unhappy?

Tell me how do you help them out.. especially on a text based forum?

Do you just post positive encouragement?

Do you try to get them to talk about it?

Do you just not bother?

Do you just wrangle on some intellectual argument?

I mean you're the expert here, obviously so you tell me your method?

For the record again.. I don't tell people they have problems.. I show them the problems they have brought into my thread by a "different perspective" (pretty much mine.. )

Joelr, I know and you know.. that besides for are argument here.. we have much in common.. we probably both like Atari, The Matrix, twins, aquateen, ipod's and I bet the true list of are likes is quiet long and varied and would surprise both of us if we went over it..

I see it as this is my reality.. and the people around me mostly.. have much in common with me..

As dissimilar as you see us.. we are very similar..

Originally Posted by joelr

Maybe you actually don't realize, but that would be extremely nieve or plain stupid. I don't think you are that limited in intelligence so you realize what's what.
You just don't have the cahoonies to admit your name calling I guess.

So that's going nowhere.

I have admitted as much.. from a certain perspective what is seen as what I'm doing is "name calling" or being negative.. but from a different perspective it's not..

Re-read this entire thread (I mostly did yesterday) every time you hit me up on something I saw a pattern in my responses to you.. I explained myself and my perspective VERY WELL to you..

You just rejected it though.. because I've said this same thing to you least 5 times now

You do not validate my truth joelr, you do not validate me.. very obvious in reading this and you ignoring and not listening to my points..

You are the stubborn scientists on the mound absolutely REFUSING to listen to any theories dealing with "reincarnation" or "yeti" or anything that doesn't fit your MODEL of the world..

Until you can validate my truth.. your problem is you..

Originally Posted by joelr

Name calling and pointing out a shirt is dirty are different things.

No, they're not.. see that's the difference illusion game..

Same game played when you say.. killing a mosquito is a-okay, killing a baby is absolutely wrong..

Same game played when you say.. slaves should work in the field and woman should be allowed to vote..

The difference game is all about equal and unequal.. I am important and I stand on this pedestal and all of you BOW to me

This is why our ancient and wise "loa" teachers point out to us that there is no difference between manifesting a quarter and a 20 story steel building..

The difference is all EGO and beliefs..

Originally Posted by joelr

Any passive-aggressive fool can say "hey your a total limited, stuck, moron" and then back up and say "oh don't use your negative filter on that". That's a game, it's not metaphysics.

But that would be like how junior kids argue. Misusing concepts they have learned but don't really understand.

What's so wrong with missing concepts they haven't learned or don't understand?

I would tell you.. you'd be much better off being a "junior kid" then being the adult you are right now.. because at least you'd be more open and not so limiting..

Is it wrong to be limiting... ???? NO!!! But it's limiting!!!!

Originally Posted by joelr

Why not say it for what it is. Go up to some guy on the street and say "you're limited, stuck and you have problems"

Sometimes, I do..

But mostly.. I wait for them to come to me.. what I love about this forum is people post their problems and are mostly open sometimes.. to looking at them..

In this case.. I posted in this thread "THIS IS WHO I AM" and the problem people came to me..

[themaster]

Originally Posted by joelr

Ahh, the manipulation is back.

Judgment #7 ever notice that manipulation has a nice negative tinge to it? (lack based?)

Originally Posted by joelr

All that is nice but the truth is I don't have any of those problems you suggest. Nor anger, or a closed mind. That is fiction you made up. I imagine it's to try to make yourself look better?

Really, you're not closed minded?

Who put the "kabosh" on two subjects that were off limits? You did..

Who said.. anything and everything I am willing to talk about...?? I did..

For a person that's so open.. you take the cake..

I'll tell you why I think your "closed minded" joelr.. because you haven't evaluated anything from a "neutral" place of "Well, that could be true" "that is a valid point" "maybe, your right"

There's nothing in your statements but "negative" "lack" and "liar"

That's all you ever say.. (that I can recall.. accept that one statement I complimented you on.. about the Atari.. that's about the only REAL thing I've ever heard from you)

Originally Posted by joelr

They are judgments YOU made up. Shall I start numbering each judgment each time like you?? #1, #2

I'm just pointing out your "statements of limitation" your insults if you will.. feel free to point out mine.. I believe in "fair game"

Originally Posted by joelr

Being angry is in no way related to any kind of "defeat". Do you purposely insult people so when they appear angry you can soapbox some concept you have?

No, I be myself.. and sometimes in being myself.. I make them angry

And that anger wells up inside from problems or beliefs system that are not in alignment with who they are.. so they lash out.. fight for their limitations, beliefs..

I believe joelr, that were all GOOD people on the inside.. even when we lash out.. even when we insult.. even when we murder.. even when we cry.. I believe were great people on the inside!

But we sure do like our limitations.. don't we?

Originally Posted by joelr

Yes, I feel attacked, because I was attacked. But I don't care, because most of what you say is fiction to me. Some people have to build themselves up by pointing out what's "LIMITED" about others. All of your statements in that regard I only see as desperate attempts do do this. I can't help you feel better about yourself.

So I'm no longer in that "fundamentalist box"??? Now I'm in a new box.. or is it the same old box?

Labeling and judging people in their box's.. so 3d.. so old school

Originally Posted by joelr

Probably if you stopped trying to point out what's wrong with everyone you might have something to say of interest. I don't know?

There's nothing wrong with you.. joelr.. if you say there's "nothing wrong with you"

But then I might ask a creeping question.. how happy are you? And why aren't you happy all the time?

Originally Posted by joelr

I also don't follow why you bother to respond to something if all you say is "Judgment" ?
There are judgments all over your posts. Do you actually want a back and forth of posts that just quote sentences and say "JUDGMENT #307" "JUDGMENT #308" ?

Like you're the only person who can pick out a judgment?

Sure, I'm not afraid to be "open" or explore ideas.. I'm not afraid to justify every word and action and deed I do..

Seems to me.. I think your afraid..

I'm not afraid to look at myself.. joelr.. I did in this very thread.. I'm not afraid to be "who I am" and I'm not afraid or in FEAR of what "others" think..

I can honestly tell you though.. I have checked my words carefully.. and there isn't any animosity towards you in it.. very neutral, very positive, very nice sometimes..

Would it make you feel better if I said I appreciate you joelr?? (if your pretty negative.. it would definitely offend you) had that conversation before too.. (been there, got the blood dripped zombie t-shirt)

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by themaster

Joelr.. since you're a expert on helping people you tell me?

If you see someone limited, unhappy?

Tell me how do you help them out.. especially on a text based forum?

themaster, what is it that makes you see someone as being limited?

what would it be like to have a neutral response to such an interaction?

would you see someone as being limited, if the attitude of being neutral were in gear?

[James81]

themaster,

I think I get you, man. Or, rather, I think I get what you're trying to say here (and in other threads).

Or maybe I'm just getting myself, and I'm occuring like you while I'm getting it.

Whatever it is, I think I finally understand.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

themaster, what is it that makes you see someone as being limited?

Nice question.. it is a statement of "that's impossible" or "that's not possible"

That is the definition of limitation for me.. my truth is ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE

Originally Posted by wolfgang

what would it be like to have a neutral response to such an interaction?

If someone consciously admits there "limited" I have nothing to say..

But that's the thing were really talking about here.. (and you've hit the nail on the head) often times people are not CONCSCIOUS of their limitations..

If you were conscious that something you were doing was not serving you in a positive way? Would you stop doing it?

I think you would.. but we have become so UNCONSCIOUS of our limitations we keep doing e'm.. we keep growing up "Good guys" and "bad guys" to counteract them..

When people react to my statements sometimes it is a "unconscious belief" they don't even recognize in themselves.. big surprise if I try and "work" that out of them in text

The truth is only they can fix themselves.. but if I offer a healing and exploratory vibration.. those seeking healing may come to me..

The ironic thing is many are seeking "healing" unconsciously.. meaning they don't know they want it.. they JUST see it!

And react.. (reaction being a 3d thing.. )

But they don't just come to me.. some that have a problem (unconscious) in the background throw that problem (project) it into threads and real life situations to deal with.. and most people don't have the answers for that problem.. but in my "new age" study I do

Doesn't always mean it's a right fit..

Very good questions.. wolfgang, I enjoy the explanation much

Originally Posted by wolfgang

would you see someone as being limited, if the attitude of being neutral were in gear?

The most obvious answer is NO

If they consciously KNOW there limited.. it's choice

If they unconsciously know there limited.. there just not seeing their limitations and negativity on the surface..

And certainly if there reacting with me there exploring it.. where as if they don't look at it in themselves.. there just ignoring it as we all do

Originally Posted by James81

themaster,

I think I get you, man. Or, rather, I think I get what you're trying to say here (and in other threads).

Or maybe I'm just getting myself, and I'm occurring like you while I'm getting it.

Whatever it is, I think I finally understand.

I'm glad this has served you in a positive way..

[Melchior]

Originally Posted by themaster

Sure, I'm not afraid to be "open" or explore ideas.. I'm not afraid to justify every word and action and deed I do..

Just lazy huh?

Maybe you'd enjoy channeling something about the holodeck you so wish to create instead of getting into these conversations driven by what you refer to as "EGO". And also, for someone who talks about "oneness" as much as you tend to throw out the word in your posts, you seem to instead be still stuck on "EGO". Granted, you may want this (your "EGO", that is), but that's only really an act of self preservation that only brings tension in the long run. Perhaps it's this tension that is manifesting itself in the types of reactions others have to your words?

[JSB]

Originally Posted by James81

themaster,

I think I get you, man. Or, rather, I think I get what you're trying to say here (and in other threads).

Or maybe I'm just getting myself, and I'm occuring like you while I'm getting it.

Whatever it is, I think I finally understand.

Could you kindly explain it to the rest of us?

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Melchior

Just lazy huh?

Maybe you'd enjoy channeling something about the holodeck you so wish to create instead of getting into these conversations driven by what you refer to as "EGO". And also, for someone who talks about "oneness" as much as you tend to throw out the word in your posts, you seem to instead be still stuck on "EGO". Granted, you may want this (your "EGO", that is), but that's only really an act of self preservation that only brings tension in the long run. Perhaps it's this tension that is manifesting itself in the types of reactions others have to your words?

The EGO doesn't exactly go away in the higher realities.. (it sort of does) my understanding is the EGO was designed to maintain the "physical body" if I understand right..

It was also built to give options and or consequences.. if you do this.. then this might happen is what the EGO says

So, yes I like my EGO.. yes, I prefer to be more EGO (but can relinquish that if necessary) etc.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

Classically there is a theory that when someone does something that bothers you a lot - then you have denied that part of you that is that way. it's a defense of the self to it's own feelings that have been repressed and judged.

This means that if you notice all these different views on this thread, doing different takes on what's being presented, are not you unless you are really really bothered by it - in that case it may be your own repressed stuff being shown to you through seeing it in someone else as "not me".

If you have no strong reactions to a different viewpoint, then you have not denied part of your nature while seeing others as "not me".

So, why would it make sense to go to the trouble of analyzing what's wrong with yourself when other people are going nuts and you aren't? If you see some people getting really hot under the collar at each other and it's just interesting to you - then it's not you in any way - you have a neutral reaction and are intact around that subject.

I don't see the point in SR to look deep and make everything that others argue about into something about myself, in other words.

The world is a reflection of you but only if you observe the world outside of you as "not you" - then it is a reflection. Otherwise it is already you and you are neutral and content and accepting with how it is.

This seems to be the most down to earth, rational, objective spiritual common sense I've ever heard. Thankyou.

I have personal experience of my 'buttons' going off and when I expressed that part of me, oh dear. I was being that which I didn't like in others.

It's difficult to disengage from the subject matter and see our behaviour and ourselves. However, once you do see it, it becomes easier, and it's a huge relief. regards

[James81]

Originally Posted by JSB

Could you kindly explain it to the rest of us?

Actually, it's kind of like everything else...it's more powerful if you realize it for yourself.