I channel

[Piercetheveil]

Master you are not a fan of occam's razor are you?

Such a complicated view of life. Complex I could get with. Though your system offers no robustness to deal with the complexity.

I am sure you are a fun enough character to have tea/coffee/light with though.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by joelr

So your EGS is saying everyone who doesn't think like you is miserable and unhappy.

lol.. how could the EGS even say that when it only feeds you emotions..?? (it is actually a feedback to what you think if that be EGO or otherwise)

That's a observation joelr.. it's not absolutely accurate.. but it's not wrong either

Originally Posted by joelr

At best that is projecting unhappiness from yourself. Making a judgment that everyone must be unhappy can really only come from one who knows great sadness.

If you have a theory for why people walk around all day.. but never smile..

Let's hear it?

Originally Posted by joelr

See, the same theme is here once again. Warping a discussion about philosophy into a sign that I am not "in love and empowered and loving life.. "

Philosophy.. is kind of a "guessing" of life and nature..

Let me be clear joelr.. we all don't smile.. we all aren't happy all the time.. the real question is.. why aren't we happy all the time?

Simple question.. yes?

But the answer is complex to the EGO

Originally Posted by joelr

Insulting me, calling me limited, then trying to hide it with an empty "positive-ish" statement that you respect my choice. Then in the SAME PARAGRAPH saying you don't call them wrong or bad. Yet it's obvious that "limited" is about the worst concept in your vocabulary.
Which means you just called them bad.

If you say so..

What happened to the discussion about the "EGO" creating "critical thinking" and the "skepticism"??

Where did we lose that with you being insulted, then limited.. then wrong or bad? lol

Originally Posted by joelr

Now I just happen to use the same process to decide Bashar is also in that "don't take literal" catagory. I see that you're fighting that by working in insults and statements about my happiness. Total ego there. Junior high level at that.

Wow, joelr you seem kind of pissed.. well I apologize.. but I don't read what I said.. the way you READ it.. there's no insults in there.. there's just a discussion and some information for sharing.. as was stated in those paragraphs..

Maybe, you should ask yourself why you read so much negativity in there?

Maybe, you should ask yourself why you feel annoyed etc.?

Dunno.. I feel perfectly fine..

Originally Posted by joelr

Anyway, the question remains, why would critical thinking be an ego action?

This is a good question.. I was pondering it too.. after all my understanding is.. there's 4 selves..

Sure they interact, sure they are one.. but also separate in a way..

I think I'll just use a simple argument here.. let's use astrology.. According to astrology we are/were in the age of Pisces.. moving to the age of Aquarius..

What's the difference in these simple ideas.. age of Pisces is "thinkers" age of Aquarius is "heart" based "feeling based"

Simple enough terms.. I'm just saying to you joelr.. why not use and learn to understand other parts of you.. you've felt emotions yes?

Have you ever figured/examined what causes them.. probably from a EGO perspective that's hard.. and it wants to make them all "complex"

But from a abraham perspective.. emotions look easy.. even more so.. if you put a little bashar into the mix..

So to answer the question.. I think Pisces created "critical thinking" and "skepticism" for our experienced based reality.. and these ideas are too disconnected from who we are to help much..

Originally Posted by Piercetheveil

Master you are not a fan of occam's razor are you?

Such a complicated view of life. Complex I could get with. Though your system offers no robustness to deal with the complexity.

I am sure you are a fun enough character to have tea/coffee/light with though.

I dunno.. I think occam's razor makes a lot of sense.. however I don't see why we need a "label" for it.. couldn't we just call it "common sense"?

[darksage]

Lol, your so awesome the master!

[Bradshaw]

I want to do flowy-channeling writing myself.

I've been thinking about it for a long time, I've gotten loads of synchronicities and caren here on the forums has even informed me in a psychic reading that flowy-channeling writing is something that will really help me in many areas.

What do you suggest, themaster?




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[themaster]

Originally Posted by Bradshaw

I want to do flowy-channeling writing myself.

I've been thinking about it for a long time, I've gotten loads of synchronicities and caren here on the forums has even informed me in a psychic reading that flowy-channeling writing is something that will really help me in many areas.

What do you suggest, themaster?




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I suggest just do it.. the hard thing is to recognize that we all channel.. I mean it doesn't need a label of "channeling" we can do without it..

But I think if you explore "channeling" or something you label like it then you only discover more of yourself..

That's what all discovery is.. it's SELF discovery.. get out there and explore

Steve Rother is the channel I have been studying lately as I said.. I think if you study him too.. you might find more "permission slips" to be yourself..

[joelr]

Originally Posted by themaster

lol.. how could the EGS even say that when it only feeds you emotions..?? (it is actually a feedback to what you think if that be EGO or otherwise)

Well there you go, it's not EGS it's just your ego telling you someone else is unhappy. It's wishful thinking, projections, whatever...

Originally Posted by themaster

That's a observation joelr.. it's not absolutely accurate.. but it's not wrong either

No it's actually wrong.

Originally Posted by themaster

if you have a theory for why people walk around all day.. but never smile..

Let's hear it?

You're shifting the focus from attacking "me" with charges of unhappiness to "people". Backpeddling now?

Originally Posted by themaster

Let me be clear joelr.. we all don't smile.. we all aren't happy all the time.. the real question is.. why aren't we happy all the time?

Non-sequiter but we are not supposed to be happy all the time. Lower emotions on the emotional scale push us into further growth which leads to greater happiness and so on. This is a basic principle found everywhere, yin-yang, opposites, duality, the hero's journey, the cosmic cycle.
If you were always happy you wouldn't recognize happiness for what it is.

Originally Posted by themaster

What happened to the discussion about the "EGO" creating "critical thinking" and the "skepticism"??

Where did we lose that with you being insulted, then limited.. then wrong or bad? lol

Exactly, you led off track with that line of discussion. But why are you putting the question to me about a direction you've chosen to follow?
Are you actually trying to sidestep responsibility, playing weird head games or having trouble owning your own stuff?

Originally Posted by themaster

Wow, joelr you seem kind of pissed.. well I apologize.. but I don't read what I said.. the way you READ it.. there's no insults in there.. there's just a discussion and some information for sharing.. as was stated in those paragraphs..

Mmm, no, I re-read my response, not-pissed. Your technique of sneakily insulting people then calling it just an "observation" and pointing out how they "seem pissed" is clear.
Our ideas differ to the point that you could not piss me off no matter what. I can't allow myself to be rattled by what I might refer to as "fundamentalist types". What good would that do?

Originally Posted by themaster

Maybe, you should ask yourself why you read so much negativity in there?

Maybe, you should ask yourself why you feel annoyed etc.?

Ah, more head games. You insult someone, they get annoyed, you use their annoyance as fuel to wage further put-downs.
Except you forgot to notice I'm not annoyed. Just calling you out on certain behavior.

Originally Posted by themaster

I think I'll just use a simple argument here.. let's use astrology.. According to astrology we are/were in the age of Pisces.. moving to the age of Aquarius..

What's the difference in these simple ideas.. age of Pisces is "thinkers" age of Aquarius is "heart" based "feeling based"

Simple enough terms.. I'm just saying to you joelr.. why not use and learn to understand other parts of you.. you've felt emotions yes?

Have you ever figured/examined what causes them.. probably from a EGO perspective that's hard.. and it wants to make them all "complex"

But from a abraham perspective.. emotions look easy.. even more so.. if you put a little bashar into the mix..

So to answer the question.. I think Pisces created "critical thinking" and "skepticism" for our experienced based reality.. and these ideas are too disconnected from who we are to help much..

Why do you say "disconnected". Skepticism is what enables you to follow YOUR spiritual path. Otherwise you would be spending your days running from the Mormon church to the Baptist church to the Scientology class to the cult in Texas and reading every single channelers book, every ufo abductee book, horoscope, tea leaves, tarrot card readings and catholic mass available.

[darksage]

Thanks for teaching me this without teaching us the master

Read this thread the other day and started to do this non stop, loving it

I didnt know you taught us til I came back and reread lol.

[Piercetheveil]

Originally Posted by themaster

I dunno.. I think occam's razor makes a lot of sense.. however I don't see why we need a "label" for it.. couldn't we just call it "common sense"?

1-If the razor is a label so is common sense. Label blasting is cute but is nothing but pot stirring. One could talk in terms of being overly critical (judgmental) without creating and then it becomes helpful. Besides, words by nature label.

2-Common sense depends on groupings of what is common. So, again, it is a largely a punch line to a joke everyone laughs with but once thought about the joke is on the laugher. Sometimes, that laugher is me.

[darksage]

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[themaster]

Joelr.. it seems to me that we have reached the impasse again where we cannot proceed forward in this conversation.. this is the 2nd time I've noted such a impasse..

I believe there's a point where each of us could see things in a common ground perspective.. but we'd both have to reach for it here..

With you feeling insulted.. it's not really going to go.. well.. after all I feel offered no insult and I apologize anyway if that's the case

Originally Posted by joelr

No it's actually wrong.

Joelr, I've told you I don't believe in absolutes.. here you have stated one..

Originally Posted by joelr

You're shifting the focus from attacking "me" with charges of unhappiness to "people". Backpeddling now?

The "attacking" you joelr is just how you feel about the conversation.. I don't see anyone else agreeing with you.. I also don't agree with you..

So therefore it's you who believes you've been attacked.. I'm sorry you feel that way.. if you were to examine my words from the idea of "silly" "light hearted" "playful" vibrations of that nature.. you might see it in a different light

Originally Posted by joelr

Non-sequiter but we are not supposed to be happy all the time.

This is a statement of limitation

What I'm saying to you is.. it's possible to be happy all the time.. (think about that one.. will yah? )

Originally Posted by joelr

If you were always happy you wouldn't recognize happiness for what it is.

And yet this too is a statement of limitation.. under the idea.. "duality" right, wrong.. cold/hot

But interestingly enough.. I think it's a idea And not a truth to reality at all.. just cause we've all experienced "duality" doesn't mean there's not something more.. I've heard the word describing the new reality's were creating is "triality" whatever that means

Originally Posted by joelr

Exactly, you led off track with that line of discussion. But why are you putting the question to me about a direction you've chosen to follow?
Are you actually trying to sidestep responsibility, playing weird head games or having trouble owning your own stuff?

joelr, what is the point of this question..?? is it to get me to say "i'm wrong"??

Fine, "I'm wrong" are we done now..?

Joelr, I understand you don't see what I see in your words.. but I think there's is a underlying negativity *hint* to them..

If you want to do yourself a favor you should ask why you keep talking with me..??

From my understanding in all conversations.. I have 2 law of attraction vibes going in my posts one is to help myself and the other is to help others.. (and believe me.. by talking with you.. I am fulfilling the helping myself part) but what is it your getting?

Think about that..? or ignore it.. (you usually choose ignore)

Originally Posted by joelr

Mmm, no, I re-read my response, not-pissed.

Okay, if you say..

But when I read it (and I haven't re-read it) I read you were pissed.. and that was after 2-3 pissy paragraphs.. I read negative emotions in your text.. now is that right?

How should I know..? I'm just holding up a mirror and reflecting back what I thought I saw.. I ain't saying it's right.. I'm saying.. it's what I saw..

Originally Posted by joelr

Your technique of sneakily insulting people then calling it just an "observation" and pointing out how they "seem pissed" is clear.

lol.. come on joelr.. it's fairly obvious your angry with me..

Even this statement betrays how your feeling.. there's nothing "wrong" with anger.. I'm just asking you.. to ask yourself.. why you feel that way?

Would you ask.. or are you so unconscious about how you feel that you can't..??

[themaster]

Originally Posted by joelr

Our ideas differ to the point that you could not piss me off no matter what. I can't allow myself to be rattled by what I might refer to as "fundamentalist types". What good would that do?

Got me all "labeled" and in EGO box do you?

lol..

When I think of fundamentalists.. I think of the christians who live in "fallout shelters" waiting for judgment day.. I think of people who predict the world will end in 6 months and then it doesn't (technically it does ) or I think of terrorists..

But I'm a "fundamentalist type" lol.. thanks for a good laugh

One of the reasons why I'm on this forum joelr, is.. I was once like you.. I only knew science.. and then I watched a video called "the secret"

And I jumped very far and very deep into "new age" and you see how far I've come.. by my texts

And I use this forum as my "check and balance" system.. to check in with how far I've jumped.. and I run comparison between me now and me then.. and I do the best I can..

Joelr, I'm not trying to rattle your boots or anything.. but there are people who have been studying "new age" for decades.. I've met a few of e'm.. and yet.. they get stuck all over.. in the mythology or the "new" ways of being.. k?

If you want my opinion on you joelr, you are STUCK

And it's evident by our many conversations.. it's evident in your "bashar" is bad.. and I can't find a way to make his TRUTH fit in with mine..

I approach "new age" as a scientific theory of "everything" and when pieces don't fit.. I move on and say.. "I'll look at that later"

But that's not what you do joelr.. when a piece doesn't fit you "discredit it" you say it's a "lie" a "untruth"

My theory has taken me to the idea that all "truths are true" your theory has taken you to.. there are liars.. and there bad.. and they tell false truths and I can't rectify there LIES with my model of reality..

And that's your problem, joelr.. you can't rectify there truths.. so you're stuck in a ENDLESS loop of existence.. unable to move forward just like DECADES old "new agers".. stuck in there truths and lies..

The secret to moving forward is to "let go" in fact the secret is a word I don't usually use/nor like.. "surrender"

That's what I think joelr, that's where I think your negativity comes from.. you want it easy.. like I have it.. and you get pissed because you can't get there.. cause there's something in your way.. (which is you)

Something in your beliefs and definitions.. that is my theory about you joelr

[darksage]

Such an awesome post. I felt awesome reading it.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by joelr

Our ideas differ to the point that you could not piss me off no matter what. I can't allow myself to be rattled by what I might refer to as "fundamentalist types". What good would that do?

I think you have been rattled joelr.. the text speaks for itself..

I ask you to personally examine.. your words and your feelings.. and especially how this makes you feel your first reading through

Originally Posted by joelr

Ah, more head games. You insult someone, they get annoyed, you use their annoyance as fuel to wage further put-downs.
Except you forgot to notice I'm not annoyed. Just calling you out on certain behavior.

Okay, if you say so.. I think your annoyance + is betrayed by your writing style.. but that's just me..

Originally Posted by joelr

Why do you say "disconnected". Skepticism is what enables you to follow YOUR spiritual path. Otherwise you would be spending your days running from the Mormon church to the Baptist church to the Scientology class to the cult in Texas and reading every single channelers book, every ufo abductee book, horoscope, tea leaves, tarrot card readings and catholic mass available.

I validate all truths joelr..

There's no wrong truth..

I think in your use of the word "skepticism" is really a word for FEAR.. see.. you fear being "lied" too.. and that's what that world is all about..

I'm afraid of the Mormons or the Baptists cause they'll "lie" to me and that's bad.. cause I could have spent my time "inventing the cure for cancer" or "playing mario 4" or whatever..

Shall we try a mock definition..

skepticism: The fear of being lied too.. The fear of liars and how awful there lies hurt..

I don't use "skepticism" to follow my Spiritual path.. that's a EGO word and a EGO path.. I use what resonates.. I use what.. "I like" if I like what I hear.. I use it.. if I don't.. I ignore it..

No skepticism, in there?

It's discernment.. new spiritual word for your vocabulary.. LEARN IT! (or don't )

Originally Posted by Piercetheveil

1-If the razor is a label so is common sense. Label blasting is cute but is nothing but pot stirring. One could talk in terms of being overly critical (judgmental) without creating and then it becomes helpful. Besides, words by nature label.

Indeed.. if we play the anti-label game.. it can go all over

The point is I dabble in the world of words and thoughts.. but I am also being taught and try to live my life with the motto "no labels"

Tough line to walk isn't it?

Originally Posted by darksage

Thanks for teaching me this without teaching us the master

Read this thread the other day and started to do this non stop, loving it

I didnt know you taught us til I came back and reread lol.

It's in the "eye of the beholder"

Hope you gained something from reading this..

We all gain all the time.. in anything we discuss.. we especially gain when we discuss our fears and beliefs though

[darksage]

Hey themaster help me out right quick. I know I can "win" something, Ive already "won" twice in a row, Ive "lost" the last time, but the last 5 times. I know I didnt "lose" anyways and I can keep "winning" but I keep "losing"

I know its all illusion, that the first "loss" is a chain effect into almost infinite negativity and all I have to do reverse it cause I can.

Put this into perfectness for me please, make it lead to infinite positivity rather than negativity for us

[themaster]

Originally Posted by darksage

Hey themaster help me out right quick. I know I can "win" something, Ive already "won" twice in a row, Ive "lost" the last time, but the last 5 times. I know I didnt "lose" anyways and I can keep "winning" but I keep "losing"

I know its all illusion, that the first "loss" is a chain effect into almost infinite negativity and all I have to do reverse it cause I can.

Put this into perfectness for me please, make it lead to infinite positivity rather than negativity for us

darksage.. I'm no miracle worker

Reality is a tough illusion.. meaning getting what you want out of it.. can be hard at times..

What I'm trying to say is.. if you want that "win" every time you have to work on yourself.. because that's where all problems are.. there problems of the self..

If you want to work on yourself.. I can give you various tools.. I'm not promising you, you can get to a state of "winning" every time but you can get close.. it just requires more "conscious" creation

[darksage]

Originally Posted by themaster

darksage.. I'm no miracle worker

Reality is a tough illusion.. meaning getting what you want out of it.. can be hard at times..

What I'm trying to say is.. if you want that "win" every time you have to work on yourself.. because that's where all problems are.. there problems of the self..

If you want to work on yourself.. I can give you various tools.. I'm not promising you, you can get to a state of "winning" every time but you can get close.. it just requires more "conscious" creation

Im taking all the tools and posts I can get my hands on even though im awesome lol. It all helps
Give me those links please!

[Lemon Juice]

Originally Posted by themaster

Interesting how no one wishes to honor my truth isn't it? After all I'm not saying 100% I channel but more than likely.. yes I do.. we didn't start shooting down, nic when she said it did we?

Difference between me and nic.. a lot more of you have resistant, negative, liar feelings towards me as evidence in this post..

I'm not very much into this discussion but I'm looking from aside at what is going on here and personally I see a difference between Nic and Themaster and it is no coincidence that "Nic's truth" was honoured much better. Nic seems to come much more from her heart and love and thus appears as much more genuine. Themaster, however, operates more on the intellectual level trying to deliver deep ideas without actually sending out the deeper vibrations they correspond with. People notice this dichotomy consciously or unconsciously and may react in various negative ways. Not everyone is as accepting of others as Cylon for example, and naturally may feel negative emotion.

I am always surprised how much Themaster writes and tries to explain everything too hard - for me way too much to read. This reminds me of a martial arts teacher who talks and talks for hours instead of actually demonstrating his abilities in practice and influencing his students by his own example.

Themaster, please don't feel bad about what I have written above, I know you are a good person and I don't mean to be hurtful. I just thought you might be wondering why you are not being accepted with as much love as you actually deserve. To an outside observer like me it is clear (it's usually easiest to be an observer of others! ). It's also clear to me why Nic has been welcome with so much acceptance. You two offer completely different vibrations in the way you write to others and so people react to you differently.

[cylon]

Originally Posted by Lemon Juice

Not everyone is as accepting of others as Cylon for example, and naturally may feel negative emotion.

Cute.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Lemon Juice

I'm not very much into this discussion but I'm looking from aside at what is going on here and personally I see a difference between Nic and Themaster and it is no coincidence that "Nic's truth" was honoured much better. Nic seems to come much more from her heart and love and thus appears as much more genuine. Themaster, however, operates more on the intellectual level trying to deliver deep ideas without actually sending out the deeper vibrations they correspond with. People notice this dichotomy consciously or unconsciously and may react in various negative ways. Not everyone is as accepting of others as Cylon for example, and naturally may feel negative emotion.

I am always surprised how much Themaster writes and tries to explain everything too hard - for me way too much to read. This reminds me of a martial arts teacher who talks and talks for hours instead of actually demonstrating his abilities in practice and influencing his students by his own example.

Themaster, please don't feel bad about what I have written above, I know you are a good person and I don't mean to be hurtful. I just thought you might be wondering why you are not being accepted with as much love as you actually deserve. To an outside observer like me it is clear (it's usually easiest to be an observer of others! ). It's also clear to me why Nic has been welcome with so much acceptance. You two offer completely different vibrations in the way you write to others and so people react to you differently.

Yes, I know all this.. and I agree with your observation at the same time I do practice what I preach sometimes

To be honest.. reading nic's channels is a bit like reading bashar and a dose of abraham

I think it is by your filter that you miss the heart in some of my messages.. that's okay it's not for everybody

[Nea]

Originally Posted by themaster

I think it's time to state the obvious.. many times when I answer questions on here or sometimes post (occasionally) I write thing that *surprise* the hell out of me.. that are a delight to write and read back sometimes (emotional self active here )

And so I have been working with the theory I'm channeling.. and I think I'm ready to say that's a fact..

Many of us channel all the times.. based on what the "new age" teachers say.. and as such I will just say.. I am channeling or believe I am.. however the channeling I'm doing is not "voiced" or expressed much indifferently then myself.. a lot of myself is in what I write..

So to say clearly.. "I don't hear voices in my head" I just have a pure stream of consciousness when I start to "answer questions" or once in a while post..

YouTube - Living in the 5th Dimension.

A few minutes ago that just happened to me, and I even wrote it. The interesting part is that after it happened, this forum subject was the first one I was attracted to look at, although I had no idea what I-channeling means .

[joelr]

Originally Posted by themaster

Joelr.. it seems to me that we have reached the impasse again where we cannot proceed forward in this conversation.. this is the 2nd time I've noted such a impasse..

I believe there's a point where each of us could see things in a common ground perspective.. but we'd both have to reach for it here..

There will always be an impasse as long as every time you are given the chance to learn something about yourself and possibly grow you shut the door.
I see folks giving you good advice all the time which you ignore and instead engage in an egoistic argument.

Originally Posted by themaster

With you feeling insulted.. it's not really going to go.. well.. after all I feel offered no insult and I apologize anyway if that's the case

No, it was both judgments and insults. Your apology is ridiculous since you say the same stuff again this time around.

Originally Posted by themaster

The "attacking" you joelr is just how you feel about the conversation.. I don't see anyone else agreeing with you.. I also don't agree with you..

Do you need other people for validation?
Odd that you mention other people in THIS case because no matter how many times different posters have mentioned they are uncomfortable with your sneaky insults you disregard their advice.

But now you want to look around for advice? Now that you might use it against me?

Originally Posted by themaster

So therefore it's you who believes you've been attacked.. I'm sorry you feel that way.. if you were to examine my words from the idea of "silly" "light hearted" "playful" vibrations of that nature.. you might see it in a different light

See, here is a perfect example. Your trying to back-peddle here except in your next post are the same judgments and insults and IN NO WAY are they "playful". Kinda funny actually.

Originally Posted by themaster

What I'm saying to you is.. it's possible to be happy all the time.. (think about that one.. will yah? )

And yet this too is a statement of limitation.. under the idea.. "duality" right, wrong.. cold/hot

But interestingly enough.. I think it's a idea And not a truth to reality at all.. just cause we've all experienced "duality" doesn't mean there's not something more.. I've heard the word describing the new reality's were creating is "triality" whatever that means

Triality is already a math word.

I have thought about the possibility about being happy all the time. Happiness is relative, if you are always happy you cannot understand what it actually is to be happy. Discomfort brings forth growth, being unhappy means you can appreciate happiness more-so.
Even most stories about the God or All-There-Is consciousness is explained to have had a desire or longing to create. Or some form of being lonely.

You talk of an emotional guidance system, this system needs uncomfortable emotions to serve their purpose.

Originally Posted by themaster

Joelr, I understand you don't see what I see in your words.. but I think there's is a underlying negativity *hint* to them..

So you think that. Ok?
Maybe you tend to find negativity in someone who doesn't agree with you?

Originally Posted by themaster

But when I read it (and I haven't re-read it) I read you were pissed.. and that was after 2-3 pissy paragraphs.. I read negative emotions in your text.. now is that right?

Still on this? No, it's not right. "Pissy" is your word.

Originally Posted by themaster

How should I know..? I'm just holding up a mirror and reflecting back what I thought I saw.. I ain't saying it's right.. I'm saying.. it's what I saw..

lol.. come on joelr.. it's fairly obvious your angry with me..

Wow. Yet more. Nope. Not even when you add the reflecting mirror analogy.

And this would matter how??

Originally Posted by themaster

Even this statement betrays how your feeling.. there's nothing "wrong" with anger.. I'm just asking you.. to ask yourself.. why you feel that way?

Would you ask.. or are you so unconscious about how you feel that you can't..??

Oh I see, if I can't grasp that I'm angry then I "must" be unconscious. Resorting to using your sneaky insults for manipulation?

[darksage]

Why would you choose to receive his posts as posts you have to create defenses for then waste your time making defenses? See them as help and you would waste way less time, none actually.

You call them sneaky insults, we call it "sneaky help".

[joelr]

Originally Posted by themaster

Got me all "labeled" and in EGO box do you?

lol..

When I think of fundamentalists.. I think of the christians who live in "fallout shelters" waiting for judgment day.. I think of people who predict the world will end in 6 months and then it doesn't (technically it does ) or I think of terrorists..

But I'm a "fundamentalist type" lol.. thanks for a good laugh

Yes I would say "fundamentalist type" fits well.
Fundies mostly have all their knowledge already together and will not allow themselves to have 2 way discussions when it comes to their knowledge.
No learning, only preaching and "correcting" others views. Their goal when preaching is to be the one that's right and the "most ascended". New information (science and phiosophy) is brushed off and that's that.
Just looking at how quick and how many judgments, put-downs, and incorrect negative statements about me are in just this one post I feel it's all ego-related fundy junkola.

I can't say it fits literal fundamentalism, but it seems like a "type".

Originally Posted by themaster

One of the reasons why I'm on this forum joelr, is.. I was once like you.. I only knew science.. and then I watched a video called "the secret"

And I jumped very far and very deep into "new age" and you see how far I've come.. by my texts

Yes I know you're into new age but your strange accusation that I "only know science" is unfounded. From what I can tell I've covered much more metaphysics than you have. Reading some Abraham and Bashar seems to be your total experience.

Originally Posted by themaster

Joelr, I'm not trying to rattle your boots or anything.. but there are people who have been studying "new age" for decades.. I've met a few of e'm.. and yet.. they get stuck all over.. in the mythology or the "new" ways of being.. k?

So? Your saying you like to make a judgment that a lot of new agers are "stuck". Or that you feel superior to them? Because you've read Bashar or something?

Originally Posted by themaster

If you want my opinion on you joelr, you are STUCK

And it's evident by our many conversations.. it's evident in your "bashar" is bad.. and I can't find a way to make his TRUTH fit in with mine..

No....I don't want your opinion on that.

Originally Posted by themaster

I approach "new age" as a scientific theory of "everything" and when pieces don't fit.. I move on and say.. "I'll look at that later"
But that's not what you do joelr.. when a piece doesn't fit you "discredit it" you say it's a "lie" a "untruth"

Yes.

Originally Posted by themaster

My theory has taken me to the idea that all "truths are true" your theory has taken you to.. there are liars.. and there bad.. and they tell false truths and I can't rectify there LIES with my model of reality..

That isn't quite right. Every false concept isn't a lie intrinsically. Some people purposely spread bad information, that's a lie.
For example the idea that we are just chemicals and atoms and when we die that is the total end of our consciousness.

Now I think this may be false. You find this true I guess. But that's why I fit your thinking into a fundamentalist type bin. You already have all the answers - everything is true. A basic truth you cannot change. A literal interpretation of the word truth.

Originally Posted by themaster

And that's your problem, joelr.. you can't rectify there truths.. so you're stuck in a ENDLESS loop of existence.. unable to move forward just like DECADES old "new agers".. stuck in there truths and lies..

The secret to moving forward is to "let go" in fact the secret is a word I don't usually use/nor like.. "surrender"

I think you're saying is "your problem is you don't think like me and just let go and say Everything is True- Yay!".

But I don't see that as a problem because I like having the concept of yin/yang, truth/false, in reality.
When you encounter things like physics, Hindu, philosophy, you like to brush them off (as you've done in past posts). Any information counter to your ideas can be fluffed off by saying "everything is true".
If that works for you, super!

I would rather take on the challenge and discern what is ying and what is yang. But you can't just do your thing without making all sorts of judgments on others (other new agers and me as seen above).

You say others have a "problem", are "stuck" and that YOU have the answer.

A strong urge to put others down and to raise yourself up like that is fundamentalism in action.

Originally Posted by themaster

That's what I think joelr, that's where I think your negativity comes from.. you want it easy.. like I have it.. and you get pissed because you can't get there.. cause there's something in your way.. (which is you)

Something in your beliefs and definitions.. that is my theory about you joelr

Nope. I do think you have it easy in the sense that you're not interested in learning lots of things about the subject you're interested in. What you're doing is fine, it's your thing. But where do you imagine I think you are? You've read some Bashar and Abraham, ok, good start. Watched the Secret. That's all I see. I don't want to be you or not be you, I don't think about you in any way. I don't pay close attention to fundamentalist types. Getting angry?? Hee, that's silly, why would I waste energy?

I'm busy learning and enjoying things.

[darksage]

Originally Posted by joelr

I'm busy learning and enjoying things.

Yes you are, but your learning the wrong way.

[joelr]

Originally Posted by themaster

I think you have been rattled joelr.. the text speaks for itself..

I'm curious why you sort of seem to want me to be rattled?
But that's getting old as a response. The answer is "no" for any further inquires.

Originally Posted by themaster

I validate all truths joelr..

There's no wrong truth..

No you don't. You just said the Mormans night LIE to you.

Originally Posted by themaster

skepticism: The fear of being lied too.. The fear of liars and how awful there lies hurt..

I don't use "skepticism" to follow my Spiritual path.. that's a EGO word and a EGO path.. I use what resonates.. I use what.. "I like" if I like what I hear.. I use it.. if I don't.. I ignore it..

It's discernment.. new spiritual word for your vocabulary.. LEARN IT! (or don't )

Sorry, I discern that Bashars concept of discernment is in the same boat as the Mormons.

[darksage]

themaster is never going to reply again. Unless he REALLY wants to now, cause at this point I feel like were done with this thread now.

[joelr]

Originally Posted by darksage

Why would you choose to receive his posts as posts you have to create defenses for then waste your time making defenses? See them as help and you would waste way less time, none actually.

You call them sneaky insults, we call it "sneaky help".

Waste of time?

[joelr]

Originally Posted by darksage

Yes you are, but your learning the wrong way.

Judge much?

[darksage]

Originally Posted by joelr

Judge much?

Wasting way less time much? Doesnt that feel better now.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by joelr

There will always be an impasse as long as every time you are given the chance to learn something about yourself and possibly grow you shut the door.
I see folks giving you good advice all the time which you ignore and instead engage in an egoistic argument.

All of life is opinion.. are you telling me that I ignore good advice.. or are you saying it's your opinion I ignore good advice..??

You see.. I take what works.. I use what I like.. if it doesn't resonate.. why should I adopt it..??

Your argument fundamentally makes no sense.. I very much approve of you not taking anything from me you don't like.. fine by me.. everyone should use what "resonates"

Originally Posted by joelr

No, it was both judgments and insults. Your apology is ridiculous since you say the same stuff again this time around.

Yes, very common argument.. heard it many times.. "your apology is ridiculous"

But why is it?

I meant it?

Perhaps you should apologize for your judgments and negativity towards me.. ??? lol

I know.. joelr.. it's my fault.. whatever.. blame game is so 3d!

Originally Posted by joelr

Do you need other people for validation?
Odd that you mention other people in THIS case because no matter how many times different posters have mentioned they are uncomfortable with your sneaky insults you disregard their advice.

But now you want to look around for advice? Now that you might use it against me?

What is this game your playing joelr..

Is this the one where we gather around the playground and all call 1 person nasty names.. you tell me?

It's your game?

I like the mob mentality.. maybe we should get it going.. I can even recommend some people who love to be part of the mob.. blossom for one

Originally Posted by joelr

See, here is a perfect example. Your trying to back-peddle here except in your next post are the same judgments and insults and IN NO WAY are they "playful". Kinda funny actually.

Perhaps I'm blind to these insults..?? maybe you should spell them out..?? we have all this quoting text.. haven't seen you quote anything I said as negative or mean..

However, I do acknowledge the idea that text can be written positive, neutral and negative and you can interpret/read different definitions..

Joelr, many people have read this text.. it's interesting that they don't always find my comments "insulting" sometimes they find it enlightening.. are they just all.. what was that term you used "fundamentalist type"?

Originally Posted by joelr

Triality is already a math word.

Is it..?? Well, looky there.. I learned something..

Originally Posted by joelr

I have thought about the possibility about being happy all the time. Happiness is relative, if you are always happy you cannot understand what it actually is to be happy.

Joelr.. come on.. this sounds like a oxymoron..

Weren't you 5 once.. how about 10...???

Was everyday miserable as a child or were most of them exciting.. cool things going on.. something you love to do.. I'm a nintendo and atari child.. what no video games at your house..?? Ohh.. well

Happiness if you ask me becomes conditional as you become a adult.. it has something to do with ideas of "I need to mate" "I have to work for a living.. wtf?" "I need food clothing and electricity to survive"

This is the start of adulthood if you ask me.. and misery..

I understand for the record some people have "bad" childhoods.. still my understanding is.. if you examine your memory's.. (assuming you have them) you will be able to notice you were much more "content" as a child and much more "happy" then you may be today..

Originally Posted by joelr

Discomfort brings forth growth, being unhappy means you can appreciate happiness more-so.

This is duality.. try and think outside the box..

Originally Posted by joelr

Even most stories about the God or All-There-Is consciousness is explained to have had a desire or longing to create.

And this is true.. we gods have just gotten a little crazy.. creating our own "rat" mazes

Originally Posted by joelr

You talk of an emotional guidance system, this system needs uncomfortable emotions to serve their purpose.

This system is just a feedback.. the emotional body is a part of you..

But the point.. it's more than possible to get positive feedback all the time from it.. that's possible! not impossible!