I channel

[Melchior]

Originally Posted by themaster

I see.. your right.. I'm wrong.. got it.. I should definitely listen to you.. after all it's the smart thing to do right..?

Originally Posted by themaster

So now I ask you Melchior.. why should I listen to you.. or adopt your judgments about me?

Your own written words, channeled or not, reflected back to you:

Originally Posted by themaster

What I'm saying Melchior.. is that you're talking to yourself.. under the concept of "oneness"

Originally Posted by themaster

Hey, don't you know?? I hate and admonish.. diversity.. I believe in "sameness"

Originally Posted by themaster

Would every one of you please chill out? Take a load off? Stop playing the judgment game.. and just relax.. go feed your fish.. go take a swim.. let go of things that "don't serve you"

I promise you.. I promise you.. if you'd just relax.. take a load off.. "let go" you'd feel better.. wouldn't it be nice to feel good?

Listen to yourself.

Originally Posted by themaster

If you want to have a real discussion with me.. let's go back to our *real* discussion.. this is where it last left off.. that I remember..
How's that irritation now?

I took it as a sign that I didn't need to discuss it any further when the thread got locked. Did you still want to talk about it? Why?

[Okay]

Originally Posted by cylon

Actually for fun I'd like to see him do the opposite just because it would be other than what you want.

For someone who wants people to be "quiet" you make a lot of brusque, hurtful remarks towards people. Have you found the "quiet" in your own life?

The interesting thing is that this thread was created by themaster to freely express himself, yet he's been met with a lot of resistance in this thread. "Don't express yourself! I do not deem you worthy to have such an opinion on channeling. And what's more, I'm going to critique not only your content, but your delivery."

It's like, who cares? Where's the threat? If themaster wants to talk about he thinks he's channeling, why is that a threat to anyone?

And for what it's worth, I don't think believing in S.R. gives one license to be mean and cruel to others. "Hey since you're a manifestation of my consciousness, I'm going to make you feel like a fool." One who feels connected doesn't walk around tearing people apart.

Maybe that's the lesson I created YOU, to teach me. If there is wholeness in this universe, it won't be achieved by holding up the mirror and saying "you are no good, you are doing it wrong, you aren't up to my standards." Letting go of that is a lesson worth learning. So I guess it means I need to be a bit more aware of when I decide to pass the time by criticizing myself (others).

One thing I've experienced growing up is feeling different and isolated. I'd express myself yet I'd be met with a lot of resistance, people criticizing me, making fun of me... not a unique story but I guess it's followed me here, via this thread.

I guess the only solution is complete self-acceptance and acceptance for others, since they are the same thing.

If we're all connected, being mean to "yourself" seems like a complete waste of time and counter-productive. So go on making fun of people, you will learn the division inherent in that eventually. Guess that's the lesson.

All is well.

I wasn't "making fun" of him cylon. I was being brutally honest. But yes, I should have left out the brutal part. It was unduly harsh. I don't think in my few comments on this site I've been "brusque and hurtful". But if you read it like that I won't argue... no, I haven't quite found that quiet yet and this reflection in this guy's posts must have reminded me of something in myself--as I admitted. Also, I feel like themaster listens to no one so perhaps that added to the force of my statements. But he didn't deserve the intensity.

I was hoping to get a little nuance into this thing but I tipped the scales. I touched some of your old wounds and I'm sorry for that. Plus, you're both long time forum people so I could have used more tact. I sometimes forget that. And sometimes a little bit of pushing gets the door open. The jangle though usually hurts people's ears and I should be more mindful of that.

[cylon]

One thing I've learned over time is that you can't be someone's teacher until they want what you have to teach. It doesn't work to go out of your way to correct someone's thinking if they haven't asked for it. And if it bothers you that they aren't responding well to your critique, then obviously it's more about the person offering the advice than the person receiving.

It's one thing to say, "what do you think of the actions I'm taking?" if you ask that question, you should be open to negative feedback. However if you're just saying "here's the actions I'm taking, just thought I'd share" getting negative feedback really isn't all that helpful or even necessary. Because the point then is not to justify. The point is to simply share, freely. Take it or leave it. But either way, it's free.

I find it helpful to just allow people to be who they are, as they are. I probably don't do it perfectly, but a live and let live attitude just feels better than "follow my standards or suffer the consequences."

Just let people be. If they want your advice, they'll ask. If they don't ask and you still give it, it's more about your own issues.

That's my take.

[Hunter Swart]

Part of what may happen is many years ago.. I would read lots and lots of books.. and as I read books of a certain author.. I would find my mind repeating "channeling" the others thoughts and writing style.. and I could in essence write a book in the authors style or in fact mock them through their style..

The mind mimics what it knows. It believes in itself. A fundamental aspect of the mind is it's knowledge, it's conceptualization of what is. If there is a specific pattern (in writing), you know it. To evoke specific reactions in material (thinking of a book as a malleable collection of thought-forms you will have in the future and not a linear string of language), you add these to guide the reader/observer. They make the same discovery you made and subsequently relate to you! Intelligence is already at one, it does not seek itself, for there is no other.

cyclon:

If this is all a dream world, and there is no separation, then no one is ACTUALLY channeling anyone, because there is no one "else" to channel. But at the same time, for the purposes of the dream world we are in, you actually ARE channeling someone. Even if you aren't (really, at a deep level you of course are just channeling yourself, the BIG you, not the little you.).

Remove "If" at the beginning. The power of suggestion is boundless.

Perhaps the bottom-line truth is.. I have to stop seeing myself as the "odd" man out.. and see myself surrounded by people that "think"/be like myself..

Everyone is like yourself. I am. I am. I am. You are made in God's image. You are the embodiment of perfection.

I also don't like when I have so many good points that go un-noticed.. (but this is a common element that comes up in these conversations)

"All of my good points are understand thoroughly. (this happens so often that I am aghast, thinking 'At one point, I felt misunderstood! Every thought I have is leading me to a higher frequency of consciousness.' Gratitude overwhelms me and my heart expands to include the entirety of Mother Earth. OM."

Really, I have tons of insults thrown at me all the time.. that go under the table.. but I'm not going to complain or ♥♥♥♥♥ about it.. cause I don't care.. See I would never complain or ♥♥♥♥♥ about any that are thrown my way (but in a way I do)

Sharing is caring.

Nope, observations..

What you've never seen unhappy people..??

Look around!

It is here I would like to ask you themaster: Do you actually see anyone around you? Where are these people, how are you sensing them? If you're not seeing them or hearing them (these people), how else are you aware of them? Where is the unhappiness located on these beings? Isn't an emotion always intangible and thus personal, at least here and now?

ICS effects almost 80% of the world's population.. (and is spreading! ) here at the ICS "New Age Treatment Center" or ICSNATC we provide treatment for happier people.. side effects may include delusions of grandeur, giving up science, "critical thinking" "skepticism" and a lack of appetite

LOL! I used to suffer from a Blunted affect, by the way. Too much stress!

The intention of my posts is to help myself.. or help "others"

Revoke this intention until it is heartfelt. You should intend Mastery, in all matters. Your namesake is not "a master", but the master, explore this. I am of the opinion that you think you should be helping others, because all of the material you digest, concerning spirituality, speaks to this as being the next step in human evolution and you want to be ahead of the rest with your kindness.

[joelr]

Originally Posted by themaster

I've been working with simple words of the "scientific method" of "critical thinking" and "skepticism" and for the first time I got to the root of what those words are about.. "EGO"

I don't see how that's possible? You might want to explain your reasoning.

Those words were used in a debate you were part of, I wonder if you're just trying to somewhat debunk them by attaching them (with no cause?) to "ego".
Which in itself is just a defense mechanism by that same thing - ego.

In other words, why are you not spreading the word of Jesus and the literal new testaments teachings? You never post scripture. It clearly says to spread the word and to evangelize scripture.

I guess it's because you do not believe in literal scripture translation. Your skeptical of it being the truth. The truth that God wants you to spread the good news in scripture and that your DUTY is to evangelize. You use critical thinking to decide that it's not your path. Even if you call it emotional guidance, it's still a form of the same thing. Is it your ego that's skeptical?

No. There is more to it than that.

You have already stated in a past post there are "channelers" that you do not believe. Was that ego?

[elucidate]

This is totally true.

The thing is themaster isn't exactly one to just let people 'be' either. He is always advising people and "prea...er...teaching" when those "teachings"were not asked for, which I think is why he rubs people up the wrong way so much. Nobody actually asked for his TEACHERS teachings!

He also puts forward some interesting ideas, but due to his social skills, (or lack there of IMO), they are not absorbed as well as if he would just let people 'be' ,as you say.

I also don't think he needs you to stand up for him against all us 'meanies'. He can be unusually callous and harsh himself...which he prides himself on.

Originally Posted by cylon

One thing I've learned over time is that you can't be someone's teacher until they want what you have to teach. It doesn't work to go out of your way to correct someone's thinking if they haven't asked for it. And if it bothers you that they aren't responding well to your critique, then obviously it's more about the person offering the advice than the person receiving.

It's one thing to say, "what do you think of the actions I'm taking?" if you ask that question, you should be open to negative feedback. However if you're just saying "here's the actions I'm taking, just thought I'd share" getting negative feedback really isn't all that helpful or even necessary. Because the point then is not to justify. The point is to simply share, freely. Take it or leave it. But either way, it's free.

I find it helpful to just allow people to be who they are, as they are. I probably don't do it perfectly, but a live and let live attitude just feels better than "follow my standards or suffer the consequences."

Just let people be. If they want your advice, they'll ask. If they don't ask and you still give it, it's more about your own issues.

That's my take.

[cylon]

Originally Posted by elucidate

I also don't think he needs you to stand up for him against all us 'meanies'. He can be unusually callous and harsh himself...which he prides himself on.

I never thought he need me to "stand up" for him. I was speaking out because I felt compelled to. I was expressing my own opinion.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by cylon

I never thought he need me to "stand up" for him. I was speaking out because I felt compelled to. I was expressing my own opinion.

Fair enough.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Okay

I wasn't "making fun" of him cylon. I was being brutally honest. But yes, I should have left out the brutal part. It was unduly harsh. I don't think in my few comments on this site I've been "brusque and hurtful". But if you read it like that I won't argue... no, I haven't quite found that quiet yet and this reflection in this guy's posts must have reminded me of something in myself--as I admitted. Also, I feel like themaster listens to no one so perhaps that added to the force of my statements. But he didn't deserve the intensity.

I was hoping to get a little nuance into this thing but I tipped the scales. I touched some of your old wounds and I'm sorry for that. Plus, you're both long time forum people so I could have used more tact. I sometimes forget that. And sometimes a little bit of pushing gets the door open. The jangle though usually hurts people's ears and I should be more mindful of that.

To be fundamentally honest with you.. I don't even remember where you were "brutal" or "brusque and hurtful?"

I could go back and re-read.. but see I don't care So all's forgiven.. no biggie

Originally Posted by Hunter Swart

The mind mimics what it knows. It believes in itself. A fundamental aspect of the mind is it's knowledge, it's conceptualization of what is. If there is a specific pattern (in writing), you know it. To evoke specific reactions in material (thinking of a book as a malleable collection of thought-forms you will have in the future and not a linear string of language), you add these to guide the reader/observer. They make the same discovery you made and subsequently relate to you! Intelligence is already at one, it does not seek itself, for there is no other.

Our scientists don't have a clue how are minds work.. in fact they really.. just.. don't know.. the mind is the physical/spiritual interface to "the ether"

So I believe my ability to get into a writers style was channeling.. did I ever use it to write a book in "mocking" fashion? no..

I did write a paper once in my "high school years" a couple of them that got the teachers attention (really designed to do that ) one paper was a "fiction-parody" of how were destroying the earth.. one was a exposition about how the body was missing a "internal" suicide switch..

I did like the attention.. but when I got it.. I just turned them down to do anything with it..

Originally Posted by Hunter Swart

Everyone is like yourself. I am. I am. I am. You are made in God's image. You are the embodiment of perfection.

Indeed, indeed.. yet, I do value diversity.. and I do value people being "limited"

See I'm caught in a catch 22.. I just try to let be..

Originally Posted by Hunter Swart

"All of my good points are understand thoroughly. (this happens so often that I am aghast, thinking 'At one point, I felt misunderstood! Every thought I have is leading me to a higher frequency of consciousness.' Gratitude overwhelms me and my heart expands to include the entirety of Mother Earth. OM."

Yah, but is that what I really want?

I mean sure it's good.. I agree.. but it also isn't what I really want.. I want the holodeck "just as I am" or preferably just as I was in 2003..

But I'll move on up.. if I can't get it right, now..

Originally Posted by Hunter Swart

Sharing is caring.

Your correct, I see your point

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Hunter Swart

It is here I would like to ask you themaster: Do you actually see anyone around you? Where are these people, how are you sensing them? If you're not seeing them or hearing them (these people), how else are you aware of them? Where is the unhappiness located on these beings? Isn't an emotion always intangible and thus personal, at least here and now?

Unhappiness.. can be read in many ways.. but physical body language is how I perceive it for now..

Many people don't smile.. many people don't necessarily "acknowledge" your existence I myself may have many of these conditions.. but I'm working on them..

Smiling honestly seems so tough.. it seemed like for a while there "Jim Self" my teacher had fixed smiling in me.. but even he doesn't smile that often.. he did smile for me, once

(notice a tendency to smile virtually..?? hey at least that's some effort )

If you want my honest opinion.. everyone on this planet is in "pain" that's just the truth.. whether they realize that "consciously" there in pain.. there suffering.. because there playing games of "who they are not" and the only time they feel GOOD about those games is when they realize "who they are" then they smile..

It is to use a metaphor just like "bondage" a symbol I have personal knowledge off.. you struggle in the ropes and it "sucks" and then once in a while you have pleasure.. (aka appreciation for the situation)

(I find it a vast irony.. I would be attracted to a forum where "bondage" was not taboo.. Steve being into it seems no coincidence to me.. )

You have a lot of questions here.. so I'll do a take #2 on them.. since you asked

Do you actually see anyone around you?

Yes, don't you? Or should we label them figments of our imagination *cough* illusion..

Where are these people, how are you sensing them?

I am currently in Brighton, CO so there physical location to me would be in this area.. (I sense them with eyes.. ears.. and sometimes binoculars ) and sometimes they call me on the phone and insist I fix the computer and give me a "check"

If you're not seeing them or hearing them (these people), how else are you aware of them?

The forums, youtube, movies?? News? How does one observe people..?? but to simply look around..

Where is the unhappiness located on these beings?

Excellent question.. according to my understanding.. "limitations" "unhappiness with self" is stored in the 4 bodies.. physical, mental, emotional, spiritual.. (this is my understand)

However.. it's easily translated into people's overall body language.. if you're not enjoying yourself every minute like a child.. your are being "who you are not"

Isn't an emotion always intangible and thus personal, at least here and now?

I don't understand the question.. but I believe it's "personal" to each of yes..?? unhappiness is "personal".. my understanding is this.. we've all been playing these games of limitation on the earth for over 12,500 years (fall of atlantis.. cover the children's ears if you don't want them to HEAR this.. )

And that most of us created "limitations" of "passive-aggressive" and a whole hell of a lot more of them.. and then we have "passed" them down telepathically to each "incoming" generation of self..

The cycle of that is ending.. we've been praying to untrap ourselves.. and now we are "UNTRAPPING" ourselves.. anyone born here this time of day.. excited about what's going on (in some way) came to watch the "fireworks" of us moving so fast vibrationally from such a huge "low" to such a huge "high"

This is the information passed on to me by "new age" teachers.. assimilate or "chew it" or ignore it.. whatever

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Hunter Swart

Revoke this intention until it is heartfelt. You should intend Mastery, in all matters. Your namesake is not "a master", but the master, explore this. I am of the opinion that you think you should be helping others, because all of the material you digest, concerning spirituality, speaks to this as being the next step in human evolution and you want to be ahead of the rest with your kindness.

I think it is "heartfelt" I don't think it isn't..

But it may also be "ego" driven, logic based and all about getting to my goal of the holodeck.. you see if.. "life is a mirror" why not put out what you want.. share the love and see it reflected back to you..

You may think the "reflections" are not sharing back love.. but some do..

Your right I should be more "masterful" if my teachers input counts.. seems like though I do feel quite masterful.. my teacher seems to say that word a lot "whether for my benefit" I can't say.. but probably

I might however be in the rare position to put my teacher in a "negative/lack" state as I've seen him offer something close to it once..

I am not by any means a normal "student" for him.. I would assume.. there's just a lot to me.. always has been.. maybe always will be (but then again a lot of his students don't fit "normal" well either )

My teacher isn't teaching me do anything but "find myself" that's the entire goal of his teachings.. perhaps myself is just a little bit "blunt" and a little bit "adversarial" and a little bit "love" and a little bit "humor" and yah know.. it goes on and on..

I think everyone assumes that ascension means you have to give up "bluntness" and "adversarial" and some things we might classify as "negative" vibrations but this is not entirely correct

Originally Posted by joelr

You have already stated in a past post there are "channelers" that you do not believe. Was that ego?

Actually, I can't ever recall stating that..

However, resonate might be more clear.. for example the "Kryon" channel is well liked by many of my *new* teachers.. and I can see why.. but I am still not drawn to study his work...

Seth is another such channel.. I have read some of his work.. but it's often just too many words and convoluted and annoys me..

Part of the idea is.. and this is my understanding per my newest teacher

Long time ago.. when the Angels/helpers of the transition were starting to get us ready the 1900's there was this woman who received channeling's (I don't know her name it might be "Mary" or "Madame something maybe blagorvia" but I can find out..?? if it's so important to you) she published channels that read like "garbage"

Meaning it might be like "love of god ith all there is, you are immortal divine creator of being of god essence"

See I went out of my way to make the statement convoluted.. did it work?

Anyway.. she channeled these "ramblings" lol channeling's into this world so that we could begin pulling in more and more "light" and understandings.. she just had to publish these lines of "didn't make sense" and you can now study them today (supposedly) and they make even more sense now..

So what I'm saying is and even Bashar/Abraham say this.. as more of this light has been pulled into our reality.. their messages get more and more clear.. it would be like the analogy of the river.. to let more light (it's a river of light.. lol) in.. first the little brook must become a stream.. then it can become a torrent..

So I don't resonate with seth because his channeling's are quite old.. however I did just recently read some "seth" quotes on another forum.. and find them quite good.. and nice and mostly accurate

[themaster]

Originally Posted by joelr

I don't see how that's possible? You might want to explain your reasoning.

Those words were used in a debate you were part of, I wonder if you're just trying to somewhat debunk them by attaching them (with no cause?) to "ego".
Which in itself is just a defense mechanism by that same thing - ego.

If you want to know the profound enlightenment I got in exploring your words again.. see here..

I need advice about changes

Originally Posted by joelr

In other words, why are you not spreading the word of Jesus and the literal new testaments teachings? You never post scripture. It clearly says to spread the word and to evangelize scripture.

I am spreading it.. through the people that "ask" questions..

Every teacher knows.. you can't make a student "learn" what they don't want to.. (I mean there are ways but they ultimately fail against a vibration of choice and stubbornness) but I don't just always go after "questions" I sometimes choose to confront "statements of limitation"

Recently, I noticed that Angela does that too.. she hit one.. I wanted to hit..

So the point is this forum is all about "information sharing" and questions.. and that's when us teachers/sharer's offer our information.. do we feel "Good" if we convert a heathen.. no not necessarily

Do we pat ourselves on the back and say we got another into "god's kingdom"?? no.. we're just happy people feel self-empowered

(for the record Joelr, remember that christians convert "heathens" in the idea there "saving" their immortal soul it's a moral imperative based on the idea lack..)

Joelr, any of us who really understand the messages were "preaching" also understand that there is "free choice" involved.. we also understand they can say "no" and that's a perfectly valid option/choice..

Those who spread the religions that are not self empowered.. usually don't take "no" for a answer.. we do..

Those who spread the religions that are not love based.. usually don't take "no" for a answer.. we do

I'd love to see you joelr, in love and empowered and loving life.. however I perfectly respect your valid choice.. to stay limited, to stay sciency, to be skeptical.. all you want.. I respect your choices.. I don't call them wrong or bad

I just say.. hey look here's a shortcut a easier way.. and that's all I say..

Originally Posted by joelr

I guess it's because you do not believe in literal scripture translation. Your skeptical of it being the truth. The truth that God wants you to spread the good news in scripture and that your DUTY is to evangelize. You use critical thinking to decide that it's not your path. Even if you call it emotional guidance, it's still a form of the same thing. Is it your ego that's skeptical?

No. There is more to it than that.

Joel, joel... joel... always putting "words in my mouth" taking everything I say so literally.. lighten up.. smile more.. be at ease my friend..

I'm not going to play some "denial" game and say I don't use "critical thinking" I may.. but I do prefer "emotional guidance" as you say..

[themaster]

Originally Posted by elucidate

This is totally true.

The thing is themaster isn't exactly one to just let people 'be' either. He is always advising people and "prea...er...teaching" when those "teachings"were not asked for, which I think is why he rubs people up the wrong way so much.

Very true blossom I admit as much..

Originally Posted by elucidate

Nobody actually asked for his TEACHERS teachings!

But this is where I don't agree with you..

There are a lot of reasons why I don't agree with you.. but I'll try to outline them..

- In our agreements to come here.. we all agreed to be "ourselves" and in being ourselves we agreed to "wake" people up through the shining of our light/selves

- Every post as I see it which is one of those "I hate child molesters" "Pirates are evil" and "my boyfriends a cheating bastard!" is a cry for help.. it's people crying about their "pain" and saying.. "take my pain from me!"

That's the way I see it blossom.. you may not.. perhaps you should re-review our thread "child molesters" and observe or evaluate your posts to mine to see if this was the effect..

Here's a 3rd reason..

- By law of attraction.. I attract people who want help with their problems by intentioning with every post "personal development for me and others"

Originally Posted by elucidate

He also puts forward some interesting ideas, but due to his social skills, (or lack there of IMO), they are not absorbed as well as if he would just let people 'be' ,as you say.

Ahh.. another judgment.. I put forth the idea "there's no wrong way to say it"

There will be ways where it doesn't "resonate" with some people though.. that's okay the message is not for them.. (and yet it is )

Originally Posted by elucidate

I also don't think he needs you to stand up for him against all us 'meanies'.

Correct, but that's the thing "cylon" isn't standing.. (and I know I read that he said that.. I skipped ahead.. but I know this not by "what he said" but HOW he said it ) if you wish to see behavior that is "standing"/defending I can point you to other posts where this happened.. but cylon is just sharing information.. he is actually just translating his perspective of how he see's thing which I think/guessing is in high alignment with my perspective..

You see 2 people can share the same idea.. but express it in radically different ways.. that's the uniqueness of being unique!

Originally Posted by elucidate

He can be unusually callous and harsh himself...which he prides himself on.

Absolutely.. I love this about myself.. I love my bluntness.. I would never deny it.. it's a strength in me (emotional self is activated multiple times)

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by themaster

That say.. I have this problem.. child molesters are evil and I hate them.. and I can't be happy as long as there in the world.. these evil child molesters that are not me.. not made of me.. having nothing to do with me.. I hate them.. I hate them.. I hate them.. omg! I've become one.. now I hate myself.. I hate myself.. I hate myself.. and on and on.. the 3d games of judgment and not liking self play on..

Now my simple story here is also a exercise in the law of attraction.. because I'm saying when you FOCUS your hate on "gays" or "child molesters" or whoever.. you will attract them too you.. or even become them..

That's just the way I see 3d problems..

Do you actually understand what it is you are writing about here? How is it that you would become that which you judge as not right? I don't get that. Why would being judgmental make it that you are that way? If I don't like molesters I become one? How so?

[themaster]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

Do you actually understand what it is you are writing about here?

Yes, I wrote a analogy for the human condition.. and a law of attraction story.. which can actually be "seen" in reality.. apply this model to some of the stories in our media or movies.. you will see

Originally Posted by wolfgang

How is it that you would become that which you judge as not right?

Ohh come on.. wolfgang.. don't you know the definition of hypocrite?

Here.. I'm going to google hypocrite for you.. maybe I can find you some easily wiki'd stories that talk about how a person "said A. was awful" then we come to find out "they were a A. all along or were screwing a A. all along"

That which you resist, persists..

Nah.. google didn't work.. I will refer to you a few politician ones I know..

Look up "Larry Craig"
Look up "Mark Foley"
Look up "Ted Haggard"

Originally Posted by wolfgang

I don't get that.

Hopefully, the definition of hypocrite and some stories in our media will help you with that..

Originally Posted by wolfgang

Why would being judgmental make it that you are that way?

Law of attraction.. man

That which you put your attention on..

Originally Posted by wolfgang

If I don't like molesters I become one? How so?

Yes, sometimes.. it depends on how you focus on it..

Use the story of "Gays" alright it's easier..

I know there are stories out there and you do too.. (I assume ) that some of the people out there that hate "gays" the most.. actually are gays

If you want me to? I'll find some "true" stories for you?? (of what I'm talking about.. off-hand I have no reference material )

Maybe just talk to some "gay" people.. (hello, if your gay.. and your reading this.. and you know what I'm talking about.. about how you've met a person that "hates" you.. but is truly or likely a "closet homo" please share with wolfgang your perspective for understanding.. thanks)

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by themaster

Yes, I wrote a analogy for the human condition..

Law of attraction.. man

That which you put your attention on..

Yes, sometimes.. it depends on how you focus on it..

Well so if I hate downhill skiers - then I'll become a great downhill skier? Or already am one but am a closet downhill skier?

But yeah, I've red this idea somewhere before. Projection, denial, shadow self stuff...

[cortocabezas1111]

I hate the insane clown posse.....


now i understand why i woke up this morning with my face painted like a thug clown, the urge to duct tape my entire arm up, and a notebook full of poorly written vulgar lyrics ......


...I'm BECOMING WHAT I HATE............


thank you themaster. you saved my life. now i love the insane clown posse....out of fear of becoming them.

[cortocabezas1111]

if you never fall, how are you going to learn how to fly?

[themaster]

All you need to do is use your imagination corto or wolfgang.. pretend (since it's easiest) that you hate the gays!

Pretend that you dedicate up to 1 hour of thought each day or "violence" shooting cans.. hitting a boxer bag thing (whatever their called) now add "law of attraction" to the formula (what you put your attention on)

Then imagine you walk into a bar one day.. you spot someone who looks gay.. you hate them.. but your also attracted sexually to them.. (if your male.. you might get a stiffy )

Now you hate yourself and call yourself "unworthy" and "bad"

Some of the best people who "hate" and even physically abuse the gays.. actually "hate themselves" and their own feelings

I'd suggest watching some good movies on the subject as good actors can download/channel the characters properly and you can even see the "body language" of hate.. unfortunately I can't remember a "I hate the gays" movie I've seen in the last 10-20 years.. I know I've seen one.. just can't remember one.. do some research.. and look for a "gay" type of murder movie

(I remember a movie where they left this gay guy.. tied to a fence.. I think it was "based on a true story")

(theoretically by now lifetime should have made of few of those "tv" movies )

[Melchior]

Originally Posted by cortocabezas1111

if you never fall, how are you going to learn how to fly?

There are many ways to learn how to fly...

Also, <vent> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! </vent>

[cylon]

Originally Posted by cortocabezas1111

now i love the insane clown posse....out of fear of becoming them.

Always figured you'd go Juggalo in the end.

[Melchior]

Originally Posted by themaster

That which you resist, persists..

Is it your wish to hold on to the "ego" that manifests itself in these ramblings on limitation and judgment? Even though you recognize that the "ego" is an illusion from your ramblings on "oneness"?

[jak3b]

Looking for Mr. Goodbar ended with a gay hate type situation.Now,if I hate Fox News am I going become Rupert Murdoch?.

[cylon]

Originally Posted by jak3b

Now,if I hate Fox News am I going become Rupert Murdoch?.

No, you'll become Rachel Maddow.

[elucidate]

Does this mean that I'm really a closet anchovy...'cos I really hate anchovies

Honestly, I've tried looking at young kids and search for any sign whatsoever of sexual attraction for them...and there is NONE!

I've tried, more than once to find my inner child molester, but it just isn't there...what does that mean...am I an impotent closet pedophile?

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Melchior

Is it your wish to hold on to the "ego" that manifests itself in these ramblings on limitation and judgment? Even though you recognize that the "ego" is an illusion from your ramblings on "oneness"?

The ego is and is not a illusion.. try and work that one over in your head..

Originally Posted by elucidate

Does this mean that I'm really a closet anchovy...'cos I really hate anchovies

Honestly, I've tried looking at young kids and search for any sign whatsoever of sexual attraction for them...and there is NONE!

I've tried, more than once to find my inner child molester, but it just isn't there...what does that mean...am I an impotent closet pedophile?

It just means you didn't do it right keep trying..

It's not my job to explain to you how "law of attraction" works everywhere, in every way.. it's your job to figure that out.. if you can't see how it applies.. take a step back, another breath.. and just leave it till you see it one day..

Here found some references for the "gay" ideas I presented also.. I learned the term for what I'm talking about is called "gay bashing"

The Matthew Shepard Story (2002) (TV)
The Laramie Project (2002)
YouTube - a typical gay-bashing red neck

[Melchior]

Originally Posted by themaster

The ego is and is not a illusion.. try and work that one over in your head..

It's that the illusion of the ego is not an illusion, that the illusion is what's real and can be realized. Worked over enough for ya?

[wolfgang]

Projection: Projection is a primitive form of paranoia. Projection also reduces anxiety by allowing the expression of the undesirable impulses or desires without becoming consciously aware of them; attributing one's own unacknowledged unacceptable/unwanted thoughts and emotions to another; includes severe prejudice, severe jealousy, hyper vigilance to external danger, and "injustice collecting". It is shifting one's unacceptable thoughts, feelings and impulses within oneself onto someone else, such that those same thoughts, feelings, beliefs and motivations are perceived as being possessed by the other.

[themaster]

Projection simply stated wolfgang.. is throwing your "problems"/beliefs at people cause you haven't figured them out..

[joelr]

Originally Posted by themaster

If you want to know the profound enlightenment I got in exploring your words again.. see here..

I need advice about changes

Well you say,

"I just said I trust my "emotional body" my EGS to tell me what's true.. whereas all of you.. trust your EGO's (and what's that ever gotten you..?? accept miserable and unhappy?? )"


So your EGS is saying everyone who doesn't think like you is miserable and unhappy. A pretty good indication that your not actually using your true EGS or that it's just a manifestation of ego and not reliable anyway.

At best that is projecting unhappiness from yourself. Making a judgment that everyone must be unhappy can really only come from one who knows great sadness.

Originally Posted by themaster

So the point is this forum is all about "information sharing" and questions.. and that's when us teachers/sharer's offer our information.. do we feel "Good" if we convert a heathen.. no not necessarily

Do we pat ourselves on the back and say we got another into "god's kingdom"?? no.. we're just happy people feel self-empowered

(for the record Joelr, remember that christians convert "heathens" in the idea there "saving" their immortal soul it's a moral imperative based on the idea lack..)

Joelr, any of us who really understand the messages were "preaching" also understand that there is "free choice" involved.. we also understand they can say "no" and that's a perfectly valid option/choice..

Those who spread the religions that are not self empowered.. usually don't take "no" for a answer.. we do..

Those who spread the religions that are not love based.. usually don't take "no" for a answer.. we do

I'd love to see you joelr, in love and empowered and loving life.. however I perfectly respect your valid choice.. to stay limited, to stay sciency, to be skeptical.. all you want.. I respect your choices.. I don't call them wrong or bad

See, the same theme is here once again. Warping a discussion about philosophy into a sign that I am not "in love and empowered and loving life.. "
Insulting me, calling me limited, then trying to hide it with an empty "positive-ish" statement that you respect my choice. Then in the SAME PARAGRAPH saying you don't call them wrong or bad. Yet it's obvious that "limited" is about the worst concept in your vocabulary.
Which means you just called them bad.

Your whole post pretty much is an explanation of how you employ critical thinking to not take fundamental Xianity literal.
You use critical thinking. Period.

Now I just happen to use the same process to decide Bashar is also in that "don't take literal" catagory. I see that you're fighting that by working in insults and statements about my happiness. Total ego there. Junior high level at that.

Again, the only person who could possibly come to such conclusions is someone who themselves is struggling with emotions and depression.
I have no desire to wage a "who is happier" debate against anyone. Actually most people here seem very well balanced and content. I don't see anyone else passing out sneaky insults and odd judgments on others emotional well-being


You use this technique often. If anything it suggests that your EGS is completely wrong. Now that it has made a prediction about me that I can test, I know it's just fiction.

Anyway, the question remains, why would critical thinking be an ego action?