Joe Vitale did not JUST say "if you want $25k..." in THE SECRET

[ricky]

I have been seeing this on these forums quite a bit that Joe Vitale said "if you want $25k, you can get it by intending it.." etc.

But he actually said more than that. After making the $25,000 comment, he also said something like "... or whatever amount that you're comfortable with... it has to be believable to you".

I don't remember the exact quote but he said along those lines that whatever amount is believable to you, you should intend it, after he mentioned $25,000. He used $25,000 only as an example.

Not taking sides, just thought I'd mention it. :-)

[Antiventurecapital]

Originally Posted by ricky

I have been seeing this on these forums quite a bit that Joe Vitale said "if you want $25k, you can get it by intending it.." etc.

But he actually said more than that. After making the $25,000 comment, he also said something like "... or whatever amount that you're comfortable with... it has to be believable to you".

I don't remember the exact quote but he said along those lines that whatever amount is believable to you, you should intend it, after he mentioned $25,000. He used $25,000 only as an example.

Not taking sides, just thought I'd mention it. :-)

What sticks in people's minds is the $25K. Since he used $25K it's only natural for people to assume that "Dr." Joe thinks you can really have that $25K drop in your lap as you sit at home visualizing it.

[ricky]

Originally Posted by Antiventurecapital

What sticks in people's minds is the $25K. Since he used $25K it's only natural for people to assume that "Dr." Joe thinks you can really have that 425 drop in your lap as you sit at home visualizing it.

That's true. Shortcut to success. Just sit and visualize and that's all there is to it. People listen to what they want to listen to. It's easy to focus on that and then give up after a while claiming that law of attraction doesn't work.

I just thought that Joe Vitale was getting heat for that one statement for no reason since he actually cleared it up by saying the amount has to be believable to you. Maybe $25,000 is what is believable to him.

[Antiventurecapital]

Originally Posted by ricky

That's true. Shortcut to success. Just sit and visualize and that's all there is to it.

He definitely makes it sound like that's all there is to it. On Thursday noght's Larry King Show, he tried to argue that the little girl in Fl who was raped and then buried alive attracted that to her.

Joe, get a grip.
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[ricky]

Shortcut to success has always attracted people's attention. 24 hours and master this and that. Books for dummies. Lose 50lbs in one week. :-) And so on. So, that's why some of stuff about the law of attraction seems more commercialized. It's an easy sell. But the people who actually focus on action along with visualizations, I respect them more.

The poor girl who got raped, that was a sad sad incident and the last thing people want to hear is that that girl attracted it to herself. Very sensitive topic which they should have been very careful with.

[Antiventurecapital]

Originally Posted by ricky

Shortcut to success has always attracted people's attention. 24 hours and master this and that. Books for dummies. Lose 50lbs in one week. :-)

Joe's the king of this.

On another board for pure manifesters, the admin posted Joe's 30 Day Manifestation Exercise and asked people to try. That was two summers ago. Out of morbid curiosity, I recently read through about 5 pages of posts in which people committed to try Joe's manifestation technique. Not one person came back to say that it worked.

Not one.

[dor]

Joe's manifestation technique. Not one person came back to say that it worked.

Not one.

that's because they forgot to subscribe to his 10.99 a month newsletter, in which there are links to his online store to buy his ebook on manifestation, and they really need to be a relaxed state, so they should also download his mediation CD...oh and all that manifesting can make you tired so you need to keep you energy up, joe recommends supplements sold by his pal, available in the links section....oh an his web seminar will probably help you focus on manifesting bettere

[renie408]

You have to give Ole Joe some credit, though. HE is a manifesting machine. He has managed to manifest a whole helluva lot for himself.

[Antiventurecapital]

Who was it that said "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."

PT Barnum?

[ricky]

Originally Posted by Antiventurecapital

Who was it that said "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."

PT Barnum?

hehehe....
and yep we sure have to give Joe some credit. Still, there are other really credible people out there that should be given more opportunity to speak like Bob Proctor. :-) I haven't watched Larry King part two so don't know whether Bob was there or not though.

[Antiventurecapital]

Selling snake oil is a surefire way to success. Just look at how wealthy the televangelists all are. All that's required is that you have no sense of shame over what you do for money.

[renie408]

I hate to condemn people desperate for change, but then I also see that it isn't the salesman's fault that people are naive. I guess the onus is shared.

[Antiventurecapital]

Originally Posted by renie408

I hate to condemn people desperate for change, but then I also see that it isn't the salesman's fault that people are naive. I guess the onus is shared.

My late dad was a very smart man who cared about the underdog. I inherited some of that from him and it's held me back to some extent in life because I'm simply not greedy enough for my own good. I'm happy to have my fair share of the pie and split the rest with everyone else to contributed to its making. I never want the entire pie like some people.

However, in middle age I am becoming more cynical about humanity. If someone is lazy and undisciplined and blows all their money on lottery tickets and get-rich-quick schemes, they deserve what they get in life. It's not up to me to save them from themselves.

Damn, I'm almost sounding like a Republican.

[alexb5784]

Originally Posted by Antiventurecapital

He definitely makes it sound like that's all there is to it. On Thursday noght's Larry King Show, he tried to argue that the little girl in Fl who was raped and then buried alive attracted that to her.

Vitale's comment really shocked me and I'll have to agree with you on this. That girl didn't attract that to her and it's crazy to think she did.

I like the people on The Secret, but I thought it was funny when the behavioral psychologist called up and challenged John Assarf on what he knew about the brain. I agree with both sides here, though I lean more to the side of the psychologists.

I like The Secret and I've learnt a lot from it, but I feel that it's going to become another Chicken Soup For The Soul type thing. They'll be 100 Secret movies within the next 10 years, lol. And people will just be buying things but not really improving. It's going to be the self-help cycle of buying and trying, buying and trying, etc. At first I thought this all would be another fad, but I've changed my mind. I forsee walking into people's houses and seeing all The Secret DVD's and books, but they'll still be living paycheck to paycheck and not manifesting what they want. I think maybe 2% of the people who buy all this stuff will really succeed.

Please know, I'm pro-The Secret, but I'm coming to the realization that very few people will have long term success with it. And I say this because, there's more layers to everything than "Ask, believe and recieve". And there's too much of a magical and commercial influence involved here. It's all in the marketing and that bothers me a bit. I think it can be harmful to some people.

This kind of suprise me that I've made this comment

[annie]

Alexia

I am so glad to read what you just wrote. I feel exactly the same way. (I especially liked your last line.....I have thought the same thing about myself.....Heck, I'm a LOA coach and I just wrote something like that.......)

Glad to know I'm not the only one

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by alexb5784

Please know, I'm pro-The Secret, but I'm coming to the realization that very few people will have long term success with it.

Okay, folks. I will share a secret about the Secret with you.

The secret to long-term success with the Secret ..... is to manifest the intention to be great at applying the Secret.

Seriously.

[annie]

I think I'd like the above statement better if it wasn't "The Secret" but rather The Law of Attraction.

call me weird....but when I call it "The Secret", it sorta feels like something Joe Vitale, Rhonda and their coharts made up and promote.

When I think about it as "The Law of Attraction".....I know it's been around a very long time...and I have my own twist on it (the little girl who DID NOT attract her own rape/murder) and get it leave it in my mind as a very very incredible PD tool for using your thoughts to shape your future etc.

(no response required....I'm just thinking out loud today )

[bylto]

What is this about the little girl? I'm in Ireland, I haven't heard this story. Was a little girl raped and buried alive in Florida?? My God, I can't tell you how sad that makes me, the poor thing. Did they catch the guy that did it? Is the girl alive and well? Please let me know as I would hate to think that she died after all this.

[danas]

Originally Posted by ricky

I have been seeing this on these forums quite a bit that Joe Vitale said "if you want $25k, you can get it by intending it.." etc.

But he actually said more than that. After making the $25,000 comment, he also said something like "... or whatever amount that you're comfortable with... it has to be believable to you".

I don't remember the exact quote but he said along those lines that whatever amount is believable to you, you should intend it, after he mentioned $25,000. He used $25,000 only as an example.

Not taking sides, just thought I'd mention it. :-)

While people hear are discussing Joe Vitale, Im here manifesting my intensions just by intending them ... I dont know why but for me this stuff works if I believe I really deserve it. For example- a week ago I was driving my very banged up car, I got to the point where I was ashamed to drive it cause people kept saying "hey girl- what did you do to your car??" I was so sick of the remarks and said to myself "If I had one wish it would be that my car was like new" (even though I knew I didnt have the time or money for that (1000$s))". a week later my car is like new 100% looks amazing. you can read what happened here.
The point is I didnt take any special "action" as James Ray says I should. After I intended it the universe "forced" my car to be fixed. I do agree with J.V- if its believable it can happen.100%!!
If you dont believe that by sitting on your couch and dreaming you will make 100000 bucks, then you wont. But not because it cant happen.

[Acting Like Godot]

Now, if I were you, the next IM I would do on a regular basis is manifesting safety and smooth traffic while driving.

For it would appear from the state of your very banged-up car that you have been attracting events that are not conducive to safety and smooth traffic.

[Lemon Juice]

Originally Posted by danas

After I intended it the universe "forced" my car to be fixed. I do agree with J.V- if its believable it can happen.100%!!
If you dont believe that by sitting on your couch and dreaming you will make 100000 bucks, then you wont. But not because it cant happen.

I agree. While it's obvious to everyone that we create our lives by taking action it does not mean that we can't create just by visualizing like JV says. I have also experienced many times that visualizing can make things happen without me taking any physical action and you described it very well - the universe "forces" things to happen. This is what people call synchronicities - and for me LOA is about using our minds to create synchronicities, LOA is not (technically) about taking physical action! But by taking physical action we automatically focus on our goals and our minds may attract synchronicities even if we don't visualize at all. Plus, we are all brought up believers in the power of action but not in the power of mind - hence many people will have difficulties manifesting without action. I'd say that taking the right action will always speed things up but is not always necessary and sometimes it may even be detrimental - when the ideas and visions about what we want are not yet fully mature in our minds then taking action can be like banging our head against the wall. Take some time off to internalize the vision, get to the feeling of it and then it will become clear if and what action to take - and sometimes it may turn out that the action that is required is minimal and things will start happenig like magic.

I can see it is very hard for many to accept LOA fully because it seems so different from the "common sense". I believe that Joe Vitale did very well by saying that the little girl must have also attracted this rape on her - this statement is fully congruent with LOA and with what he teaches. I appreciate him for speaking this clearly whereas some other Secret teachers like Lisa Nichols seem to be more "politically correct" and only believing LOA partially - she will be more convincing to the sceptics but to me she is accepting half of the story while rejecting the other.

It is easy to criticise those who teach LOA - everyone wants to be smart and not be labeled naive. But until you apply this stuff and have gained enough personal experience you will never know and may be self-restricted only to criticising those who make money on selling self-help stuff and proving it doesn't work.

[ricky]

Actually I have manifested a lot of things without the need for action. Few times in my real estate career I had not sold any houses for a while. So, I visualized myself congratulating people on their purchase and saw the buyers signing the offer and my name being placed on the company board for selling a house. And the first time I did this, as soon as I opened my eyes, a brother of a friend of mine called me asking if I could help him buy a house. I couldn't believe it because I had spoken to this person maybe only once or twice and he actually had a lot of realtor friends but he ended up calling me.
Within the next few hours, another friend of mine called me asking me if I could help a friend of hers buy a house.
I was too shocked!
Now I believe this was because of the law of attraction. But I had to take action to actually help them buy houses.
The second person didn't end up buying from me. Mainly because I started having too many doubts, too too many negative feelings like "i can't believe this is happening and i hope they buy from me.." "what if it's just a co-incidence and not the law of attraction?" Anyways, I forgot all about visualization and got too involved in negative feelings so that deal didn't happen whereas the first person happily bought through me.
So, the law of attraction definitely works. But after those people called me regarding buying a house, I had to seize that opportunity and get my butt off of the chair and find houses for them and that was my part, action that I had to take.

[ricky]

Whenever I am driving, I always visualize myself getting safely to my destination and I always do, no matter how many accidents have happened along the way, no matter if there are tons of police patrolling around ticketing, no matter how the weather and so on.
When I approach green lights, I visualize them staying green until I pass through them and more than 90% of the time, they have stayed green in the past 4 + years since I have been experimenting with this.

[danas]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Now, if I were you, the next IM I would do on a regular basis is manifesting safety and smooth traffic while driving.

For it would appear from the state of your very banged-up car that you have been attracting events that are not conducive to safety and smooth traffic.

I agree. I felt that having a banged up car no longer resided with who I was, although in the past it did (even though many of the bangs happened when the car was parked and I wasnt around).
Its not a heroic story, but I felt it was important to share because it was so obvious to me that the LOA was at work, almost without the gap of time there often is.
Anyway I feel it was a very low price to pay, as no one got hurt, my car got fixed and it also served as a wake up call of appreciation.