How can I really get to who I want to be?

[pinky3]

Originally Posted by James81

I get a kick out of it too.

Because for me, it's themes of right vs. wrong, good vs. bad, dark vs. light, etc. And it's interesting the more I look at how my life has been, that the most inspiring stuff to me in the past has been centered on those themes (themes of "redemption"). Probably why I went Star Wars crazy several years back (dark side vs. the light side), which was the catalyst that led me here actually. But that's a LONG story.

Yes! It's always one versus the other. I still feel kinda stuck but I'm sick of writing the same types of threads because I don't know how it['s going to get me to where I want to be... or if I should even be trying to get somewhere other than where I am...

Another day in the life of pinky... what a shocking name!

[ssandra]

Originally Posted by pinky3

That is another way of looking at it. It's one that also makes sense to me. But it also bring me back to another "dilemma". I went to see a shaman who said I need a soul retrieval. I spoke to Rei about it etc but I don't know what the best thing to do is. You speak of talking to your spirit guides... I guess I know they're there but now I don't know how I can function with a piece of my soul missing, if it is, that is

I'm very new to the whole spirit guides and soul stuff... so ya???
Thanks for your input!

I don't believe in pieces of soul missing...

I believe spirit guides and your higher self are part of you, as much as an arm or a leg is. They don't just go wondering off... and since they are not physical they can also not be cut off...

I believe that if you set the intention yourself, if it feels right to you with the help of your spirit guides, higher self or universe, to retrieve all your soul, to be whole and complete.

I truly believe that the believe in having a part of your soul missing is more harmful then actually having part of it missing (which I don't believe in anyway).

And either way... with a complete soul or not, the intention of overcoming any obstacles you have found in your way will work.

Because it is an intention towards your subconscious, and the universe and your higher self and your spirit guides. So even if one of them would be absent for whatever reason, the rest will pick up on it!

[ssandra]

Originally Posted by pinky3

Yes! It's always one versus the other. I still feel kinda stuck but I'm sick of writing the same types of threads because I don't know how it['s going to get me to where I want to be... or if I should even be trying to get somewhere other than where I am...

Another day in the life of pinky... what a shocking name!

Don't worry about it, it will take as long as it takes.

And as soon as you get where you want to be, it will all seem like just a few minutes.

I can recall the way I felt, but I don't even recognize it anymore. It feels like a completely different person was me a few years ago...

[Angela]

Originally Posted by pinky3

I went to see a shaman who said I need a soul retrieval.....now I don't know how I can function with a piece of my soul missing, if it is, that is

I'm totally down with working with whatever metaphors that help us to generate good feelings, healing old wounds and gunk, and getting the results we want to get -- guides, angels, the subconscious, whatever -- but I'm appalled by the convincing of others that they are incomplete, not whole, *need* to be fixed, and unable to get themselves together without the intervention of a shaman/priest/coach/teacher/master, and without that intervention, they are doomed to be unable to function or ever become whole. This language INSTALLS a sense of fragmentation -- which is inauthentic. You are perfect, whole and complete already. There are processes that may benefit you, including ones that resonate with your sense or feeling of disconnection or "something's missing," but I strongly believe that you don't *NEED* to be reunited with any *missing* part of yourself. It may be very helpful to you to access your own inner resources to get in touch with your own ability to integrate your sense of being conflicted or out of touch with a "part" of yourself, and you may want to consult with and pay someone who is good at helping people do that, including shamans. And you have all the resources to get in touch with your own magnificent wholeness, exactly as you are -- no one is going to restore a missing part of you, although they may very well help you to make yourself present to what felt like it was missing. You are perfect, whole, and complete.

Be aware of when someone's using fear to manipulate you into buying what they're selling: a shaman who tells you that you're soul is too vulnerable outside of your body -- you could be harmed or damaged permanently and walk the earth incomplete for the balance of your days; the clergyman who says you need to have demons exorcised from your body; the president who puts you in red alert. This is a pretty good sign, in my view, that this person is operating with a win/lose intention, and no integrity -- they're workin' you. Or that they're projecting out their own sense of incompleteness onto you.

Here are one's shaman's list of the symptoms that let you know you need a soul retrieval:

-Feelings of depression
-A feeling of being incomplete
-Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome, or PTSD like symptoms.
-Inability to move past an issue despite efforts to do so.
-Feeling like you've done everything you can do but are still stuck.
-Feeling disconnected from life, like you don't really feel anything, or you feel you can't connect to things.
-Memories or incident in your past when you can say, I feel that I lost something that I never got back.
-A sense that someone took a part of you, your heart, your soul, or that you were not the same once they left you or died.
-You keep wanting to return to a person, or a location that seems unhealthy or unlikely, even though there is no apparent reason for you to do so.
-Lost memories, like a part of your history is "missing"
-The feeling that soul retrieval may help you.
It isn't necessary for you to have an extreme symptom, to indicate soul loss.

In other words, EVERYBODY. Everybody needs a soul retrieval, because their souls are fragmented, according to this list.

I would recommend that if you're looking for help from a guide or coach or psychic or whatever, shift your focus to someone who recognizes the wholeness, completeness, and magnificence of who you are, rather than someone who claims that you are literally missing a piece of yourself (as opposed to recognizing that as a metaphor for a state you're in -- how you feel, rather than who or how you are), and only a shaman can safely make you whole, complete and magnificent -- as if you don't have the inner resources to be present to your wholeness, completeness, and magnificence.

You are perfect, whole, and complete.

[cortocabezas1111]

Angela you have always had the most honest straight forward posts on this board and that's amazing and hard to find.

[James81]

Originally Posted by pinky3

Yes! It's always one versus the other. I still feel kinda stuck but I'm sick of writing the same types of threads because I don't know how it['s going to get me to where I want to be... or if I should even be trying to get somewhere other than where I am...

Another day in the life of pinky... what a shocking name!

Originally Posted by pinky3

Yes! It's always one versus the other. I still feel kinda stuck but I'm sick of writing the same types of threads because I don't know how it['s going to get me to where I want to be... or if I should even be trying to get somewhere other than where I am...

Another day in the life of pinky... what a shocking name!

It's kind of funny, because what you view as feeling stuck and rolling around in the same ole same ole, I see as you becoming more aware. I just don't think you realize that you are seeking awareness. Or rather, seeking self-awareness.

See, in this post you are focusing on the problem...the issue...the impact. I don't know if you've ever watched the movie Patch Adams, but there is a scene in the beginning where he commits himself to an insane asylum for severe depression. He goes into this place thinking his life is over, and while he's there he's a lifeless zombie, thinking that there's nothing he can contribute and that there is no way he can ever really recover from the depression he is faced with.

In those scenes, we see a guy who appears to be crazy. He keeps walking around, holding up four fingers to everybody, and asking them what they see. And when everybody says the same thing...four...he flips out in frustration because they keep getting it wrong. To the outside world, that makes him crazy.

But then a little later, we see Patch come to his office and talk to him. While he's there, he notices that this "crazy" man's cup is leaking, so I takes a piece of tape and fixes it. Something about that gesture touches the man, and Patch asks him what the answer is. So he holds up his fingers, and Patch still only sees four.

And then the guy says to look beyond the fingers. That people only focus on the problem and not the solution. Don't focus on the fingers, look beyond them.

And when Patch does that, it distorts the fingers and he sees double, and discovers that the real answer, the one nobody else chooses to see, is 8. (And that the guy really isn't crazy. )

Look beyond the fingers, pinky.

You are now aware of who you think you are. But just being aware of it won't "fix" you because there is nothing to fix. There's nothing to do. There is choice and then there are the impacts of that choice. So look at the impacts. And that's exactly what you are doing, but right now you're just seeing the fingers. Look beyond them.

One impact of believing "I am wrong", is why this thread exists: a feeling of being stuck. What are the other impacts? What are the reactions in the people around you? How do people respond to you? Another look is that dude who was cheating and the situation there. What did you generate in your relationship with him? With your friends? With your family? How are people responding to you?

Are you becoming more aware of the impacts of "I am wrong"? Or are you still looking at the fingers?

All of life is a continual process of becoming more aware of Who you Are. Some people choose to remain ignorant of that awareness, and thus live lives of quiet desperation, being at effect to the people who surround them and at the mercy of their limitations. But you've already taken a bold new step towards flipping that around. You're learning some "emotional kung fu" (), the ability to take that fuel of negativity and the impacts it has on your life, and use it's power to inspire yourself, to be the things you want to be, and to generate new possibilities for yourself.

[pinky3]

Originally Posted by James81

It's kind of funny, because what you view as feeling stuck and rolling around in the same ole same ole, I see as you becoming more aware. I just don't think you realize that you are seeking awareness. Or rather, seeking self-awareness.

See, in this post you are focusing on the problem...the issue...the impact. I don't know if you've ever watched the movie Patch Adams, but there is a scene in the beginning where he commits himself to an insane asylum for severe depression. He goes into this place thinking his life is over, and while he's there he's a lifeless zombie, thinking that there's nothing he can contribute and that there is no way he can ever really recover from the depression he is faced with.

In those scenes, we see a guy who appears to be crazy. He keeps walking around, holding up four fingers to everybody, and asking them what they see. And when everybody says the same thing...four...he flips out in frustration because they keep getting it wrong. To the outside world, that makes him crazy.

But then a little later, we see Patch come to his office and talk to him. While he's there, he notices that this "crazy" man's cup is leaking, so I takes a piece of tape and fixes it. Something about that gesture touches the man, and Patch asks him what the answer is. So he holds up his fingers, and Patch still only sees four.

And then the guy says to look beyond the fingers. That people only focus on the problem and not the solution. Don't focus on the fingers, look beyond them.

And when Patch does that, it distorts the fingers and he sees double, and discovers that the real answer, the one nobody else chooses to see, is 8. (And that the guy really isn't crazy. )

Look beyond the fingers, pinky.

You are now aware of who you think you are. But just being aware of it won't "fix" you because there is nothing to fix. There's nothing to do. There is choice and then there are the impacts of that choice. So look at the impacts. And that's exactly what you are doing, but right now you're just seeing the fingers. Look beyond them.

One impact of believing "I am wrong", is why this thread exists: a feeling of being stuck. What are the other impacts? What are the reactions in the people around you? How do people respond to you? Another look is that dude who was cheating and the situation there. What did you generate in your relationship with him? With your friends? With your family? How are people responding to you?

Are you becoming more aware of the impacts of "I am wrong"? Or are you still looking at the fingers?

All of life is a continual process of becoming more aware of Who you Are. Some people choose to remain ignorant of that awareness, and thus live lives of quiet desperation, being at effect to the people who surround them and at the mercy of their limitations. But you've already taken a bold new step towards flipping that around. You're learning some "emotional kung fu" (), the ability to take that fuel of negativity and the impacts it has on your life, and use it's power to inspire yourself, to be the things you want to be, and to generate new possibilities for yourself.

Yes! That's exactly what I've been feeling lately. As if I don't have anything to"fix" but lot's to see on my journey towards being the me I'm going to be... or should I say the me I really am. I've been looking past "the fingers" (I love the metaphor!) and I've seen and discovered so much about myself that I didn't know existed and things that I've been focusing on were not the things that needed attention but rather the things that surrounded it! Amazing really!! I feel more on the right path now than I have in a long time! It's all seems to come back to my subconscious being able to release or should I say realise those things (as we've been calling self-limiting beliefs) and not allowing them to control my actions and thoughts.

I really think that since I started on this forum and started talking to all of you this is the first week where I feel I've made a break through and it's opened up so many more possibilities to grow!

Thanks

[pinky3]

Originally Posted by Angela

I'm totally down with working with whatever metaphors that help us to generate good feelings, healing old wounds and gunk, and getting the results we want to get -- guides, angels, the subconscious, whatever -- but I'm appalled by the convincing of others that they are incomplete, not whole, *need* to be fixed, and unable to get themselves together without the intervention of a shaman/priest/coach/teacher/master, and without that intervention, they are doomed to be unable to function or ever become whole. This language INSTALLS a sense of fragmentation -- which is inauthentic. You are perfect, whole and complete already. There are processes that may benefit you, including ones that resonate with your sense or feeling of disconnection or "something's missing," but I strongly believe that you don't *NEED* to be reunited with any *missing* part of yourself. It may be very helpful to you to access your own inner resources to get in touch with your own ability to integrate your sense of being conflicted or out of touch with a "part" of yourself, and you may want to consult with and pay someone who is good at helping people do that, including shamans. And you have all the resources to get in touch with your own magnificent wholeness, exactly as you are -- no one is going to restore a missing part of you, although they may very well help you to make yourself present to what felt like it was missing. You are perfect, whole, and complete.

Be aware of when someone's using fear to manipulate you into buying what they're selling: a shaman who tells you that you're soul is too vulnerable outside of your body -- you could be harmed or damaged permanently and walk the earth incomplete for the balance of your days; the clergyman who says you need to have demons exorcised from your body; the president who puts you in red alert. This is a pretty good sign, in my view, that this person is operating with a win/lose intention, and no integrity -- they're workin' you. Or that they're projecting out their own sense of incompleteness onto you.

Here are one's shaman's list of the symptoms that let you know you need a soul retrieval:



In other words, EVERYBODY. Everybody needs a soul retrieval, because their souls are fragmented, according to this list.

I would recommend that if you're looking for help from a guide or coach or psychic or whatever, shift your focus to someone who recognizes the wholeness, completeness, and magnificence of who you are, rather than someone who claims that you are literally missing a piece of yourself (as opposed to recognizing that as a metaphor for a state you're in -- how you feel, rather than who or how you are), and only a shaman can safely make you whole, complete and magnificent -- as if you don't have the inner resources to be present to your wholeness, completeness, and magnificence.

You are perfect, whole, and complete.

Thats gave me the answer I needed. I've been feeling very nervous about the whole thing and thinking that without going for this soul retrieval I will never get to where I want to get to. If you see my previous threads about this you'll see that my biggest question was "Can't I do this for myself??" I need to be hands on when I'm "healing" myself, I need to understand what's going on.
Everyone I know needs soul retrieval! You're 100% spot on there! I think the thing that got me (I read that exact list from the internet!! The one you quoted) was that I have felt extremely disconnected before to the point where I was so confused about who I was and I actually became really scared and went to a psychologist because I thought I had Depersonalization Disorder.

I don't really want to go back to her. I feel that there are so many other paths I can choose to get to where I want to be.

So if I don't go back do you believe that I could be "whole" without the soul retrieval? I don't feel that this woman was trying to scare or threaten me... but how do I know!? She's also charges a lot for the session but is always willing to chat about things that concern people, free of charge. Anyway...
Thanks for your help! It has put my mind at ease!

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by pinky3

So if I don't go back do you believe that I could be "whole" without the soul retrieval?

My dear, I'm about as mystical and metaphysical as anybody else you might meet on these forums. But even I must laugh a little and tell you not to take this soul retrieval thing too seriously.

If you had come here and described a different set of problems - eg you are tormented by nightmares; you feel suicidal; you experience visits from otherworldly entities; you have past-life memories of some traumatic death - I would think that you might have a good reason to view the soul retrieval matter more seriously.

Uh ... But your problem seems to be nothing more than a lack of assertiveness. You would like to be more independent, more confident. And that's about it.

Nothing terribly uncommon about your issue. Doesn't smell vaguely metaphysical either. Don't worry, your soul hasn't gone missing.