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Old 03-06-2007, 08:11 AM   #31 (permalink)
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So what is your secret to success?
The Secret, of course. Or IM. Or LOA. Or the Superconscious Mind. Or Higher Intelligence. The name doesn't matter. You know what it is.

Recently I have used the Law of Attraction to learn more about the Law of Attraction. I received an answer - it is here. Excerpt:

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Depth is the key. Mind has infinite levels. The deeper you plant the thought, the more powerful the manifestation.

Meditation, hypnosis, prayer, NLP - these are all different methods to go deep. And now that I know, deep is where I shall go.
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Beware of the Nordic disease of ennui. Most people from the Scandanavian countries coast through life because there's not much incentive to work hard and go for the brass ring. Here in the USA there's plenty of incentive because if you don't hustle you can sink real low real fast.
Where sinking = being poor?

Scandinavians value other things over material wealth. They get exactly what they want, just like every other human. They just happen to not care so much about SUVs, McMansions, and movie stars.
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Excellent discussion so far.

Ive watched the secret, and I saw/listened to plenty of references towards taking action.

It definitely requires viewing a few times.
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Where sinking = being poor?

Scandinavians value other things over material wealth. They get exactly what they want, just like every other human. They just happen to not care so much about SUVs, McMansions, and movie stars.
Well, I still have problems with the "everyone gets what they want" part of LOA.

Did the Jews of WW2 really want to be holocausted?

Do AIDs victims really want to die a slow horrific death in a back alley?

Do very young African boys really want to be doped up homicidal "boy soldiers" who are sent into villages to exterminate everyone?

Do the parents of a baby with Down Syndrome really want such a child?

No need to get into it here as I have heard all the pro arguments for.

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Well, I still have problems with the "everyone gets what they want" part of LOA.
It's not that you get what you want...

You get what your attention is on...

We won't get peace by fighting terrorism... Because, the attention is on terrorism...
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Well, I still have problems with the "everyone gets what they want" part of LOA.
In a nutshell, you don't get what you want - you get what you think about.

Therefore the trick is to think about what you want, rather than what you don't want.

By thinking about what you want, you will get what you want.

By giving no attention to what you don't want, you won't get it.

It is an infinite trick, therefore you will never completely master it - you can only get better and better at it.

For in truth, the vast majority of the human race has very, very little control over their own thoughts.

And that is the starting point from which we begin.
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Let me rephrase my questions then.


Did the Jews of WW2 really think about being holocausted before it started?

Do AIDs victims really think about dying a slow horrific death in a back alley before contracting HIV?

Do very young African boys really think about becoming doped up homicidal "boy soldiers" who are sent into villages to exterminate everyone?

Do the parents of a babies with Down Syndrome really think about having such a child?


How about now? I'll bet none of these people thought ahead of things like this.
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The problem is that if I tried to answer those questions (based on my own Limited Understanding), the answers would throw up more questions than you had asked in the first place. Very briefly, effects are not the results of single thoughts, nor even similar thoughts, but are the combination of many different thoughts.

Thus you may get something which you didn't expect - and you say, "Hey I never thought of this, why has it come into my life" - and indeed you may not have specifically thought of that, but it has come as a result of the combination of different thoughts.

Eg suppose a person gets cancer. He probably never thought "I wish to get cancer." Howeber, he had many different thoughts and beliefs combining into this effect. Eg he may have:

(a) thought many intense thoughts about his poor old deceased mother, and thereby constantly focused on death;

(b) held the belief that the world is a sad place

(c) wished that he would get more attention from his loved ones

(d) been angry at various apparently "permanent" features in his life, eg his hateful job, his bleak future, his uncaring relatives, and wished that this would all somehow change, in some huge drastic way

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Personally, having done past-life regression hypnosis and explored two past lives, I do believe in past lives (after having also read up on the topic from a number of different perspectives). I believe that each of us has already lived and died many, many times. (Buddha supposedly relived memories of 500 of his past lives, during his famous bodhi tree experience).

What has this got to do with your question? Well, basically, if we can really understand the .... grandeur .... of that idea - that we have lived and died so many times, then you see, we begin to understand that what seems so horrific or frightening in our lives today, is actually not so horrific/frightening after all.

It's really just a game. You may suffer terribly in this lifetime, but ah well, was it really as bad as your 4th lifetime? Or the 11th one? Or the 72nd lifetime? Still you had a pretty good time in your 68th lifetime, and it was absolutely fabulous in your 52nd, so overall didn't you get a good deal. Etc.

You see. You're eternal. This life is just a game. You'll never really die, because you're eternal. You just keep forgetting, that's all. I know I sound somewhat flippant about this, perhaps sounding like I am trivialising everything. I'm not - I'm just not very good at explaining this in my own words.

There's a very grand concept here, I'm not explaining it very well, but if you really want to explore this - try reading works by Dr Elizabeth Kubler Ross - who, apart from having been a top-notch leader in her medical field, was very much into all this "New Age-ey" stuff and had various intense mystical experiences herself.

Synchronicity led me this very morning, to this person's blog post, where she quotes something from Abraham-Hick's conversations. This may be helpful. I just reproduce an excerpt here, to read the whole thing, click on link. May help to answer your question

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Q: I was listening to a tape …and you made a statement that there is no suicide....

Abe: Well, actually what we said is [all deaths are]....

Q: That's right, [all deaths are] suicide. That's right, that's right.

Abe: All death is that because everything is self-created.

Q: Okay. Well, I had a question -*** I recently got married and my brother-in-law, he passed away at 39 years old very unexpectedly and two days after Thanksgiving. And it was just a shock to everybody. That day he was going to a concert with his girlfriend, they were going out to dinner. (Very choked up.) He was very happy, talked to everybody. And then he was gone.

Abe: Well, not really.

Q: Well, yeah. So, you know, I'm part of the family but I'm new to the family, so it's been hard for me to watch everybody else in the family, [and] my wife, deal with it. And I was just wondering, like, I really believe that he is in a better pl-, you know, he chose that, and that he's up there. And actually when I was out running one morning I had a conversation with him (choked up again) and he told me to tell them a few things, and I felt a little resistant at first, but I did tell the parents what he had said, you know, "Don't worry, everything's okay." And it was really some things that he would have said, so I know I was connected to it. And I guess my question is, is there anything I can do to help them with this?

Abe: There are so many things that we're wanting to give you around this subject. We're going to go right to the heart of it because we think you're ready for it, and that is: you still believe that death is a bad thing. It feels like something that shouldn't have happened and something that if there had been any way that we could have prevented it we would have, and something that has gone wrong .......

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It's helpful to use an analogy like software operating systems to understand the difference between the free PD stuff and the paid versions. The free stuff is like Linux while the paid stuff is like Windows. Linux might be the way to go if you have lots of time to spare on learning how it works and tweaking to it your needs. OTOH, if you are like most people, paying $150 for an OS like XP looks like a bargain because you just want to get it up and running as quickly as possible so that you can move onto your applications.

Thats a horrible analogy. Mainly because being free, Linux can (and does) have the majority of programs a person would need built into the installer. Everything from firefox to open office, where as windows you have to go out into the web or use your install CDs.

Sorry, didnt mean to derail the topic, but one of my pet peeves is when people make ridiculous claims about Linux...or at least treat Linux like its still 1999.
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Thats a horrible analogy. Mainly because being free, Linux can (and does) have the majority of programs a person would need built into the installer. Everything from firefox to open office, where as windows you have to go out into the web or use your install CDs.

Sorry, didnt mean to derail the topic, but one of my pet peeves is when people make ridiculous claims about Linux...or at least treat Linux like its still 1999.
Only a Linux Geek would know this.

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Let me rephrase my questions then.


Did the Jews of WW2 really think about being holocausted before it started?

Do AIDs victims really think about dying a slow horrific death in a back alley before contracting HIV?

Do very young African boys really think about becoming doped up homicidal "boy soldiers" who are sent into villages to exterminate everyone?

Do the parents of a babies with Down Syndrome really think about having such a child?


How about now? I'll bet none of these people thought ahead of things like this.

I have a lot of problems with things like this, too. Mostly because of small children having horrible things happen to them. I cannot buy any of the mental or spiritual gymnastics that I have heard people go through to explain this, either. They always seem to work backwards from a set premise to get to an explanation that works for them. Its like they start at "We are all responsible for everything that happens to us." and work backward from there to explain why small children have icky things happen to them. They have to come up with past lives or they have to channel some 5000 year old dude who tells them that we all plan out our whole lives before we are born. Yeah, right.

It seems pretty obvious to me that there is an intersection between subjective and objective reality. I also think that there is something to positive and negative energy. I think that if the majority of six billion people are producing random or negative energy, that would promote some pretty icky junk happening in the world. It seems to make sense to me that if there is someone who is manifesting some very bad negative energy and their path intersects with that of a child, the child is going to be in trouble. I don't think the child so much attracted the bad event as they didn't deflect the bad event. I don't think the tsunami victims themselves attracted that natural disaster. I think that maybe the people that survived may have attracted their survival. I have read that there is a unifying stream of positive energy out there that we either allow or we don't. If we allow it, then we can attract good things into our lives. If we don't allow it, we are at the mercy of the random events, both good and bad. So, perhaps 'bad' things are just the absence of 'good' energy? If you work to align yourself with 'good' (positive) energy, you put yourself into the position of allowing good things into your life.

I have not swallowed everything I have read about the LOA whole. I have never done that with anything in my life and can't seem to start now. I am not sure how much sense my rendition of the things I have read makes outside of my head. But in here, it seems to work pretty well.
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From a practical perspective, the good news is that you don't have to know or have all the answers about LOA, in order to use it.

1st Analogy - It's like electricity. You don't have to know all about electricity, in order to use electrical appliances.

2nd Analogy - It's like singing. You don't have to know all about the voicebox, the lungs, the diaphragm, in order to sing.

3rd Analogy - It's like memory. You don't have to know all about how the human brain works, in order to be able to remember things.

More-practical questions to ask:

What can LOA / IM / Superconscious Mind / Higher Intelligence do?

Can it help you be more successful in your career?
Can it help you quit your addictions?
Can it help you be much more healthy?
Can it help you be much wealthier?
Can it help you receive new insights and ideas when you need them?
Can it help you achieve better grades?
Can it help you meet people who make good friends?
Can it help you reduce stress?
Can it help you utilise your strengths better?
Can it help you manage your weaknesses better?
Can it help you resolve difficult situations or relationships?
Can it help you fulfill your dreams, whatever they may be?
Can it help you attract valuable opportunities & resources into your life at the right time?

Etc etc. If you think the answer to some or most or all of those questions is "yes", then you should be using it. The alternative is illogical.

"Yes it can help me attract valuable opportunities & resources into my life, but no, I won't use it, because I don't understand why some children are born with AIDS."

Huh?
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They always seem to work backwards from a set premise to get to an explanation that works for them. Its like they start at "We are all responsible for everything that happens to us." and work backward from there to explain why small children have icky things happen to them.
Nope. They do not all "work backwards from a set premise". It all depends on the individual author and his/her angle, you see.

For example, if you want one possible set of answers as to why some people are born into difficult circumstances, go read Gary Zukav's books. There you will get a direct treatment of those kinds of questions.

In other books, you see that he also talks about something that sounds remarkably like the Law of Attraction. Except that he does not actually use this phrase. He has a much more overtly "spiritual" treatment of the topic.

What he talks about is "conscious choice". In one particular book devoted to that, he emphasises that in every moment, you are being confronted with choices. His main message is that you must WAKE UP and recognise that you are being faced with those choices. Rather than operate in automatic, unthinking mode based on past conditioning.

According to Zukav, every choice you make attracts new circumstances into your life (in that magical "LOA" sort of way). Every choice you make depends on the thought in your brain that gives rise to that choice. So watch your thoughts carefully. for they affect reality (Starting to sound familiar?).

Zukav also emphasises the use of emotions to help you make the best choices (and his treatment of emotions will definitely remind you of Abraham-Hicks' Emotional Guidance System).

Where Zukav differs from "The Secret" (as told by Rhonda) is that Zukav does not talk about things like attracting a new house, or a new car, or a new job, or a million dollars etc.

In Zukav's scheme of things, we are here on this earthly school to learn a never-ending series of unfolding lessons. Whatever you attract into your life, is there because there is some lesson you need to learn about it. Once you have learned it, you move on to other lessons. If you fail to learn it, the lesson will re-present itself in your life, again and again, until you learn it.

If you fail to learn it in this lifetime, it will re-present itself in your next lifetime. And the next, and the next, and the next. A central idea of Zukav is that you'll never stop learning (except maybe when you attain enlightenment).

Once again, there is a striking resemblance to Abraham-Hicks' idea is that you'll never stop having desires, and therefore you'll never stop creating with your thoughts (except maybe when you attain enlightenment). Even when all your desires today are satisfied by you using LOA, tomorrow you will have new, different desires, and therefore you will create again.

So you see - Zukav explains LOA as a endless series of different lessons. You keep learning, and you keep evolving. Whereas Abraham-Hicks is big on the creation angle. "You're a creator, and you will endlessly create, better and different things."

Same idea, really. Just a different perspective.

Learning, in Zukav's framework, can be fun, happy and enjoyable, by the way. Just like creating, in Abraham-Hicks' framework, can be fun, happy and enjoyable.

"Life is supposed to be fun!" said Abe.
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Most everyone has come from different hardships in their lives, from something simple like broken homes, up to and including the holocaust or child rape. Now, I guess it depends on your reality model, but I always thought Wayne Dyer was correct in saying that you choose where you want to go before you come here, and since you choose your human experience, you are going through exactly what you wanted to. Wether it was to test yourself, or try something completely different from your past experiences. The fallacy then of people getting upset at child abuse and whatnot is that we are all singular to this life only, and that we were not before nor will we be after.


LoA isnt going to seem right to people who subscribe to objectivist points of view, or ones where we get this life and this life only.


Also, I am not a Linux geek. I just happen to not be one sided on the issue of Operating Systems.
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Most everyone has come from different hardships in their lives, from something simple like broken homes, up to and including the holocaust or child rape. Now, I guess it depends on your reality model, but I always thought Wayne Dyer was correct in saying that you choose where you want to go before you come here, and since you choose your human experience, you are going through exactly what you wanted to. Wether it was to test yourself, or try something completely different from your past experiences. The fallacy then of people getting upset at child abuse and whatnot is that we are all singular to this life only, and that we were not before nor will we be after.
So are you suggesting that society shouldn't punish child molesters because the child chose to have a life in which it would be molested--before it was even born?
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If you don't understand it, I'll explain it to you.

"Christ" isn't a family name (duh).

The word "Christ" simply means messiah (as foretold by the prophets of the Hebrew Scriptures). Then this little kid came along. The name given to him was "Jesus". Turns out, according to the Bible, that he was the messiah prophesied about.

So he would be referred to as "Jesus the Christ", in the same descriptive way as we might say "Alexander the Great" or "Queen Elizabeth the 2nd".

Over time, "Jesus the Christ" became shortened, in popular usage, to "Jesus Christ". But it's still not very uncommon to hear references to "Jesus the Christ" or "Jesus the Messiah".
actiing like, love your blog but::
(8–2 BC to 29–36 AD),[1] also known as Jesus of Nazareth, is the central figure of Christianity. He is commonly referred to as Jesus Christ, where "Christ" is a title derived from the Greek christós, meaning the "Anointed One,"ever hear of oedipus rex? and what language did the church use...we never, in English said 'Jesus the Christ' - which would mean Jesus the "the annointed one" - we have said Christ the Lord, but even if we did we don't anymore.

however, the origins are not my point, the point is Ray has no idea of the usage or why, he's just trying to sound new agey and spirtual. there's a book 'karma cola' about how hippies ruined a lot india (got kids hooked on drugs, ect) but one point was that new agey types turned krishna into 'doe eye blue pilsbury doughboy' or however Gita Meta acidicly put it. in the same way i think they're trying to spin Christ and turn him into an I-M tool. both deserve better. It just seems shallow and gimmicky.

He also said something about tracing the story of aladdin back to its roots - like he has?! or 'quantum physics proves - like he knows?
i am not saying he has to do first hand research - but i doubt he's even picked up a popular science book like The Elegant Universe, or studied myth to any extent that he honestly knows what he is talking about when he mentions Aladdin. it comes across as fake.

Having done some travel writing in my day, I know that everyone pinches off of everyone else...but James hasn't even bothered to visit the country.

He'd be much better not trying to be fake and just stick who his jock approach -then i won't quite winch as hard when i hear 'let's take this metaphor and blow it out a bit'

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So are you suggesting that society shouldn't punish child molesters because the child chose to have a life in which it would be molested--before it was even born?
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Not at all, where did you get that idea? A child is defenseless, regardless of what it was before it was born, and to prey upon that innocence is quite disgusting. However, you chose what life experience you wanted, so you cannot blame outside forces for what happens in your life.
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Not at all, where did you get that idea? A child is defenseless, regardless of what it was before it was born, and to prey upon that innocence is quite disgusting. However, you chose what life experience you wanted, so you cannot blame outside forces for what happens in your life.
You need to reread your post here to see the massive contradiction.
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You need to reread your post here to see the massive contradiction.
I am not seeing it. You are responsible for it whether or not you remember it.
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"Yes it can help me attract valuable opportunities & resources into my life, but no, I won't use it, because I don't understand why some children are born with AIDS."

Huh?
I agree with this strongly. I do wonder things about how the LOA works, but then I wonder things about how gravity works. Why is gravity strong enough to hold the earth around the sun, yet still considered a weak force which allows us to move around? Is it really because it is leaking here from other 'branes or is it leaking TO other 'branes? (Do other 'branes really exist?)But that doesn't mean I don't believe in gravity.
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Old 03-07-2007, 11:46 AM   #51 (permalink)
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In Zukav's scheme of things, we are here on this earthly school to learn a never-ending series of unfolding lessons. Whatever you attract into your life, is there because there is some lesson you need to learn about it. Once you have learned it, you move on to other lessons. If you fail to learn it, the lesson will re-present itself in your life, again and again, until you learn it.

If you fail to learn it in this lifetime, it will re-present itself in your next lifetime. And the next, and the next, and the next. A central idea of Zukav is that you'll never stop learning (except maybe when you attain enlightenment).
I can see very clearly in my own life that certain lessons crop up over and over again and am familiar with that concept. I also do think we are here to grow and learn.
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Not at all, where did you get that idea? A child is defenseless, regardless of what it was before it was born, and to prey upon that innocence is quite disgusting. However, you chose what life experience you wanted, so you cannot blame outside forces for what happens in your life.
You have a flaw in your logic. You presume that we choose our life experiences and cannot therefore whine if we are acted on by outside forces. Is not the molester an outside force? And did not the child choose their experience? If we ran the world according to the 'we are all experiencing things we have chosen' school, then there really should be no laws. It would mean that some people have 'chosen' to be predators and some people have 'chosen' to be prey. When that little four year old girl is repeatedly raped by a grown man, strangled and has her body thrown out on the side of a desert road (true story), that was an experience she chose to have before she was born. Therefore, how can you denounce the rapist? This is the problem I start having when you get into 'we choose' scenarios. I cannot support any spirituality or belief system which includes the torture of children as a logical working part. It's why I don't do God. It's why I don't do any of the 'we choose our experiences before we were born' deals or, really, even a completely subjective reality. I can accept that bad things will sometimes happen to innocent people because negative energy is working through someone else and needs an outlet and the innocent person was not actively attracting positive energy to deflect it. These are my personal mental gymnastics to work my way around '♥♥♥♥♥ happens'. I get that other people handle it differently.
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Old 03-07-2007, 04:50 PM   #53 (permalink)
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You have a flaw in your logic. You presume that we choose our life experiences and cannot therefore whine if we are acted on by outside forces. Is not the molester an outside force? And did not the child choose their experience? If we ran the world according to the 'we are all experiencing things we have chosen' school, then there really should be no laws. It would mean that some people have 'chosen' to be predators and some people have 'chosen' to be prey. When that little four year old girl is repeatedly raped by a grown man, strangled and has her body thrown out on the side of a desert road (true story), that was an experience she chose to have before she was born. Therefore, how can you denounce the rapist? This is the problem I start having when you get into 'we choose' scenarios. I cannot support any spirituality or belief system which includes the torture of children as a logical working part. It's why I don't do God. It's why I don't do any of the 'we choose our experiences before we were born' deals or, really, even a completely subjective reality. I can accept that bad things will sometimes happen to innocent people because negative energy is working through someone else and needs an outlet and the innocent person was not actively attracting positive energy to deflect it. These are my personal mental gymnastics to work my way around '♥♥♥♥♥ happens'. I get that other people handle it differently.
It's not a flaw in my logic because you don't happen to subscribe to it. It just doesn't work in your map of reality. And when I say we choose to have a certain human experience I don't mean that we look at a possible human venue and see it all mapped out. Not "Oh I am going to be born here because I will be raped and killed", rather the fact that it is a possibility and you attract those experiences you want to have. While it is tragic, it all makes up the human experience, because the fact is we do have free will, which is the same thing that makes saints as well as child rapists. People seem to want to deny the duality of it all and have only one side. There can't be one without the other, which is why in even in the most successful and happy persons life there is tragedy at one point or another. The beauty is that it is just a human experience, one of many you can choose to have throughout your infinity. While it may be uncomfortable, and a little morbid, they are all still experiences. I am sure you can think of myriad times you came out of a horrible experience a stronger and better person.
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Old 03-07-2007, 05:07 PM   #54 (permalink)
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It's ok if some of us do not believe in "The Secret". You want to know why?

Well, it makes it easier for the others who do to succeed!


That's my theory!


PS: About Oprah, I feel like the writer has some kind of a grudge against her...The article would have been more interesting if the writer instead of only bashing Oprah and "the secret" had given us his way/view on life improvement.



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So here we are again. Whenever The Secret is mentioned, the 2 sides come to debate. It's all good. Whenever there is debate, new ideas and thought prcesses are formed. Bravo!!

I do, in fact, believe in LOA. However, I believe that there is much more to it than is presented bt anyone. It comes down to a core belief. It is no different than any other belief. I feel that everyone is entitled to and has the ability to form there own belief systems based on what they feel is best for them. (Pardon the lame analogy here) It's like a diet or way of eating. There is not just one perfect diet for everyone. Each individual has to find what works best for them and go with it. It depends on how each person feels and the results that they get to know whether it works or not.

As far as profit; notice the advertisement in the top left of this page. Today it is James Ray. Do you think Mr. Pavlina is doing that for free? (affiliate link, maybe?) Do you also think that there might be something to James Ray's program? I bet there is or Steve wouldn't advertise it. If I grew the best, juiciest, healthiest tomatoes on the planet and they were proven to help dissipate disease, should I give them away and let my family live in poverty? Probably not, as a matter of fact, people may even pay me more for the tomatoes than others because they are the best. If I gave them away I probably couldn't afford the seeds to grow more.

Henry Ford - "Whether you believe than you can or that you can't, you are correct" (quoted losely)

Thank you all for the stimulating posts. If I never question my perception, I will never be sure of my reality.
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Don't people like Ray and the others who appear in The Secret serve as real life examples that the "secret" works?

Doh!!!

I am amazed whenever I hear them being attacked for being successful enough to appear on Oprah and Larry King.

Would the cynicss prefer testimonials from the homeless?
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Would the cynicss prefer testimonials from the homeless?
Funny you mention that.

I was homeless and living on the street and in shelters about 18 years ago. Since that time, my life has improved dramatically. I know that it was LOA, however, at that point it hadn't been labeled. I can track my life and see how I attracted specific things into my life, "good" and "bad", without conciously "asking" for it. Both the "good" and "bad" were learning experiences for me and both took "action" on my part. It didn't just "happen". By thinking, feeling, and acting in a certain direction, one event led to the next which created my results; "good" and "bad".

I am happy to say that I do it quite a bit more consciously now and I am creating the results that I want in my life.

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Brian, would you mind telling us what, specifically, your thinking, feeling and acting was that got you into a situation that improved your life? Although you didn't ask consciously for anything, what do you think you might have been "asking" for with your unconscious intent?
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Sure!

One of the things that I realized is that I did not want to be homeless anymore. I had been "believing" that this was my life and all that I was going to amount to. I started by envisioning that I was living in my own apartment. I started to envision myself working at my dream job. I saw myself driving a new car. (just a start)

I went out and found a job (not my dream job yet) I rode a bicycle that I borrowed to and from work (I found a job close to where I was staying) I "believed" that the only job I could get was one that didn't care about appearance because I didn't have any nice clothes. So I worked cleaning rental equipment. I started making enough money to rent a very low-end studio apartment. I was then able to buy clothes. I then "believed" that I could get a better job for more money. AND I DID! (still not my dream job) I finally realized that I needed to have some schooling to move toward my dream job, so while I was working, I spoke to EVERYONE I met about my intention until I was able to find the means (money) to go to school. I met people that showed me how to get grants and loans even in my present state. By that time I "believed" that I could finish school successfully. I worked and went to school. I finished school and immediately found a job in my field. I then made enough money to buy a NEW car. It wasn't much but it was brand new. Then, I "believed" that I was the best in my field and that I could be management. I spoke my intention to as many people that would listen. I then found a new opportunity with another company using the skills and training that I had accumulated. I spoke my intention of being management to the person that was interviewing me (pretty bold considering that it was HIS job that I said I was going to have). By this time I was married and had a beautiful daughter. (approximately 3 years from the time I decided not to be homeless)

Within 2 years I was management at this Fortune 500 company making about $125k/year. I had a large house on 5 acres and 2 brand new cars.

This is a bit of a condensed version but the point I am moving toward is that all through the process, my results were driven by my belief.

My thinking: I started by knowing what I didn't want which helped to figure out what I did want. From there, I created a belief that these things were already mine and I just had to go get them. I "believed" that it was already in the process of happening.

My feelings: I felt what it would feel like in my own apartment, my dream job, a new car. I pictured myself with these things.

My actions: I shared my intentions with everyone. This helped my to find the opportunities to accomplish my goals. People ended up in front of me that I learned from (understand that there were negative people also, I chose not to buy into their negativity) I acted on the things that moved me closer to my desires.

Since that time, I have created new beliefs about myself and what I can accomplish for myself. I no longer work for anybody but myself. I started 2 new companies that became hugely successful and then sold them for a nice profit and I currently have 2 active companies that are very successful.

I hope this gives a good general view of my interpretation of LOA.
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Great story.

Thank you for sharing.
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