PATHS - Unbelievable Results

[Rin]

Whatever you're on, Artichoke, I want some of it!

[illusions]

Artichoke, you've made me laugh more than the paranoid posts did!!! Thanks so much for a wonderfuly entertaining - and entirely effective and valid post!! I loved it ...heh heh heh.....

Love and light and wonderfulness xxx

[Angela]

There's something in this thread that is bugging me a lot. It has become a cockfight, blood and feathers flying.

I feel like there's a ring of interested observers whose money is all on the PATHS chicken, cheering and jostling. I understand that you experienced PATHS users are excited about the product; I am too! And that you want to see it promoted, not denigrated. However, the ill will shown to people who have expressed reservations (or harder feelings), as well as this "go, artichoke!" mentality... it's just not what I've become used to here on these forums. It makes me feel unsafe. Posters heretofore have felt free to express even their worst selves, I think, and to work out their feelings in conversation with other posters. It's not easy to be 100% responsible, but we do our best; I do not welcome the sort of combatitiveness I've seen in this thread (on either side of the cockfight). I would prefer to see understanding and REAL gratitude -- that is, gratefulness even to the folks with dissenting ideas or who are talking through their pain.

Aaron, I feel you have been patient and well-spoken throughout, as have many people here. Thank you for that. Lately, though, it seems to me that the desire to be right has so infected this thread that we've all become a little blind to our love, peace, gratitude and connection. The feelings I have in reading this thread are not feelings I want to have.

I'm really enjoying my PATHS experience and am going to continue to watch with glee what comes up for me and Danger Man. For now, I'm going to bow out of this thread and focus on boldly generating and facilitating free-flowing love and joy. I won't be posting my results in this thread, but when I'm ready maybe I'll start a new virginal one. Meanwhile, I'm keeping my PATHS plog to trak my results, and if anyone is curious, please feel free to PM me.

I wish all of you, whether you're experienced PATHS users, on the fence, or resistant, a lovely, growth-filled Spring, with no spurs.

Love,
Angela

[Grace.Haeusler]

Hi Angela,

Both sides have expressed their feelings, good and not so good. It is essential that we have the ability to freely express ourselves, and I see this happening in this wonderful thread.

Taking sides is not the issue. Allowing is the issue. Agreeing to disagree.

As we are all aware of the Law of Attraction, we know that what we put out, will come right back.

In order not to lose Angela's wisdom from this thread, lets just focus on supporting each other's strengths and forgiving each others' weaknesses.


with sincere and loving gratitude Grace

[Bitsy]

Oh my gosh, this thread is 10 pages long . I only had time to read the first three or four...

At this point, maybe Aaron is not paying attention anymore, but I would have a question for him.

I had to look up on the internet to find out what spirulina was...I guess it's clear that a person who must follow a low-protein, or in my case, an almost no-protein diet, is out of luck...?

I haven't gotten to the page where the purpose of the spirulina is explained, but if it is imperative to take it while using PATHS, I guess I don't need to read any further. I couldn't afford it at this time anyway, but still...

[Grace.Haeusler]

Hi Bitsy

If you can eat broccoli then you can have tons of spriulina. Sprirulina is a green food with a high amount of essential amino acids that you can buy at any health food store. The better the quality the better for you. Spirulina is an inexpensive way to give your brain the essential amino acids necessary for your brains neurotransmitters to function efficiently.

You should be on this type of food supplement whether you are on Paths or not. Essentially fatty acids (organic flax seed oil) and plenty of water.

The Human Brain - Brain Food Pyramid this is a link to a site on Brain food.


love and gratitude Grace

[Bitsy]

Hi Grace,

Actually, I could only eat a small amount of broccoli a day. It is actually specifically the amino acid phenylalanine that I'm not supposed to eat. I can only eat 350 mg of it a day. So, it's not actually protein per se I can't eat.

Lucia
P.S. I don't suppose any of those modules could fix the enzyme in my body that isn't breaking down the phenylalanine?

[Pagoda]

Found this on the University of Maryland Medical Center site

In addition, those with a metabolic condition called phenylketonuria (PKU) should discuss potential use of spirulina with their healthcare provider. This unusual condition is characterized by an inability to metabolize the amino acid phenylalanine. Spirulina is rich in all amino acids, including phenylalanine. Most likely, it is okay for those with PKU to use this supplement because the presence of all of the other essential amino acids balances the high levels of phenylalanine. However, it is best and safest to check with your healthcare provider if you have PKU.

[Bitsy]

Originally Posted by Pagoda

Found this on the University of Maryland Medical Center site

In addition, those with a metabolic condition called phenylketonuria (PKU) should discuss potential use of spirulina with their healthcare provider. This unusual condition is characterized by an inability to metabolize the amino acid phenylalanine. Spirulina is rich in all amino acids, including phenylalanine. Most likely, it is okay for those with PKU to use this supplement because the presence of all of the other essential amino acids balances the high levels of phenylalanine. However, it is best and safest to check with your healthcare provider if you have PKU.

Gosh, I'm so used to talking to people who don't even know what an amino acid is, and people on these forums even know the disorder... nice

I have not followed the diet my whole life, so unless too much phe in the blood will have some bad effect on the results, since others have had such good results, I would consider going off my diet for the stated 30-90 days, but never permanently. I go through periods when I can't stick to it very well anyhow.

Oh, I was so pleased someone knew what the disorder was that I didn't even pay attention to the content of the post! That would be good news - I will have to ask ... a PKU specialist, which there are none of in the country I live in (but I know of some).

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Angela

There's something in this thread that is bugging me a lot. It has become a cockfight, blood and feathers flying.

I feel like there's a ring of interested observers whose money is all on the PATHS chicken, cheering and jostling. I understand that you experienced PATHS users are excited about the product; I am too! And that you want to see it promoted, not denigrated. However, the ill will shown to people who have expressed reservations (or harder feelings), as well as this "go, artichoke!" mentality... it's just not what I've become used to here on these forums. It makes me feel unsafe. Posters heretofore have felt free to express even their worst selves, I think, and to work out their feelings in conversation with other posters. It's not easy to be 100% responsible, but we do our best; I do not welcome the sort of combatitiveness I've seen in this thread (on either side of the cockfight). I would prefer to see understanding and REAL gratitude -- that is, gratefulness even to the folks with dissenting ideas or who are talking through their pain.

Aaron, I feel you have been patient and well-spoken throughout, as have many people here. Thank you for that. Lately, though, it seems to me that the desire to be right has so infected this thread that we've all become a little blind to our love, peace, gratitude and connection. The feelings I have in reading this thread are not feelings I want to have.

I'm really enjoying my PATHS experience and am going to continue to watch with glee what comes up for me and Danger Man. For now, I'm going to bow out of this thread and focus on boldly generating and facilitating free-flowing love and joy. I won't be posting my results in this thread, but when I'm ready maybe I'll start a new virginal one. Meanwhile, I'm keeping my PATHS plog to trak my results, and if anyone is curious, please feel free to PM me.

I wish all of you, whether you're experienced PATHS users, on the fence, or resistant, a lovely, growth-filled Spring, with no spurs.

Love,
Angela

Sometimes the best way to awaken a fearfull individual is to present him with a mirror image of the energy he is putting out. To do that, you have to temporarily lower yourself to their level, provide a reflection, and get back to your normal way of being.

Don't think of it as a cockfight. A better analogy would be like putting a mirror in front of an angry cat. He'll attack the mirror and the cat in the mirror will attack back, after a while, the cat will give up and walk away - and so will the "other" cat.

Just my 2 cents.

[Rocket Surgery]

Originally Posted by Artichoke

I found this site and I have to say this is my first and last visit.

Awww.... all because of widdle ol' me?? Please. You are probably Aaron
or one of the other PATHS evangelists in disguise so you can air out your
"dark side" without risking your much more "positive" reputation.

"Artichoke"?!? Hey, maybe I'll create multiple accounts, too, so I can be a
gang of one and pat myself on the back as I spank everyone who dares to question the holiness of PATHS.

I think I'll call myself... CRANBERRY. No, wait. Too fruity. Oh, I got one...

TOE JAM!

Firstly I would apologise to all the sweet, dignified people who are clearly further along the PD path than I am. For I think I am about to sink to the level of some the um.. "self gratifiers" I have seen clogging up the forum trying to out do each other with scam spotting, and making it a chore to find your helpful and sensible posts which I do appreciate.

If they're so many wonderful people here, and just a few naysayers, why would you make this your last visit? Clearly, you have more allies than I.

AARON - WHETHER YOU AND PATHS ARE A SCAM OR NOT - WELL DONE!!!! for handling the rude, ignorant, puerile slander on this forum - I'll pay anything if PATHS can help me to not get angry with such people.

This one I LOVE! So, what you're really saying then is, "Hey, I don't mind a bit if you screw me over, just as long as you're polite about it."

PLEASE NICE POSITIVE PEOPLE DON'T READ ANY FURTHER - I'M HAVING A TOLERANCE AND GRACE RE-LAPSE

In other words, "I'm just as bad as the rude, ignorant people I'm about to get all judgmental on, but don't think less of me for it because I'm on YOUR side."
Hypocrite.

Here's a thought, peeps....

You all claim to believe in LoA, right? Okay, take another look at the original title of this thread. "PATHS - Unbelievable Results."

If you only wish to read POSITIVE posts about your new god PATHS, then perhaps you should start a thread with a title that will ATTRACT only fellow UNQUESTIONING BELIEVERS (aka Kool-Aid drinkers, for those of you foreign to the term, the origination of which was the followers of the late Rev. Jim Jones whose flock trusted him so unquestioningly that they willingly drank Kool-Aid they knew contained lethal doses of poison simply because he ordered them to).

So stop being so outraged that a thread titled "unbelievable results" attracts posts from, ahem.... UNBELIEVERS.

These are forums for discussion and healthy DEBATE regarding subjects that are by nature... OPEN TO DEBATE. Why is it that there are so many people who do not understand that concept? You come on these web forums and try to turn them into "members only" clubs where everyone has to agree with everyone else or they get ostracized.

"How dare you rain on our parade!" "How dare you point out the emperor has no clothes!" "This thread is for people who LOVE PATHS and completely swallow every drop of dreck we hear about it! You're ruining our party!" (not to mention potential profit margins).

Here's a suggestion. One of you PATHS "prophets" go start a new thread and title it, "The Pro-PATHS Thread: for Posts and Comments in FAVOR of PATHS Only." I give you my word I will stay out of there and leave you to your happy little private illusions.

That said, IMO, if one is truly solid in their faith -- be it PATHS, LoA, Christianity, whatever -- one should not be so easily shaken by a little good old healthy American ridicule. Its the FACT that so many of you get so upset when your boat gets rocked even a little that tells me how thin your foundation of belief is on this "product." Maybe its that way for a reason.

~ TOE JAM

[kinerkid]

Your posts are welcome toe jam. Just not the name calling. Although, who even really cares about that? "sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me." So, go ahead and critique all you want. It's just that your critique of a product that you've never used doesn't hold a candle to my critique of a product I have used and am using.

What I want this thread to be about: the PATHS product. The business side of it really doesn't interest me all that much. I enjoy other products by other companies and have no clue how their business is run either. It's just a question of "does the product work or not?" For example, I shop at a little local organic market near my house. Is it owned by a person? Is it owned by a cult of satan worshippers? Is it one of many chain stores? Does the business owner own it to make a profit or to just provide a good service? I don't know! I like their food, their customer service and that it's quality products close to home!

So everyone! Let's talk about our experiences with the products! And ANYONE is open to post here and ask questions and comment on the product!

[duhshuh]

I sent a message to Steve asking him if he would be interested in reviewing P.A.T.H.S. for his readers, like he has many other products, but he replied saying:

"Generally I don't solicit product reviews, but if the publisher sends me a review copy/membership I'll be happy to add it to my review queue."

Although Steve's review is no more valid than anyone else who has posted their P.A.T.H.S. results, he has reviewed a lot of PD products and I would be interested to see if he thought it worked or not. It doesn't look like it'll happen though.

[kinerkid]

Angela! Please don't go! You bring so much fun and light and insight to this forum!

This one is for you....

YouTube - NEW KiDS ON THE BLOCK- Please don't go girl

Don't you just love Ricky Martin when he was 11???

[kinerkid]

duh. wait. ricky martin was Menudo. I'm getting my cute boy groups mixed up. I'm thinking Donny!!!!

[Aaron]

Hi Bitsy,

Spirulina is about 55-70% protein. 10 grams of spirulina will have around 250-300mg of phenylalanine.

So if you take about 4 grams at the lower end, that is about 100-120mg of phenylalanine.

[Adam]

Yes, this is in the dreaded Blue Font of Moderation.

I would like to say here and now, that regardless of the validity of a product, personal attacks, whether against members of this forum or of people who will probably never see this thread, are not tolerated. This thread has been getting close to that point, and may have even crossed it...

So, this thread is on hold for 24 hours, with the suggestion to all parties involved to get your egos out of the debate. It will be re-opened at 3pm Mountain Daylight time (GMT -6) tomorrow... (If I don't re-open it, send me a PM and I'll get it as soon as I notice.)

[absvan]

I havent started using PATHS but I intend to starting next month - waiting for my paycheck

My question is about taking spirulina. I understand its mainly to provide protein. I am lift weights and so generally take in a lot of protein everyday through food and GNC whey protein. Do I have to take spirulina in addition to this?

Also is there is specific brand of spirulina anyone recommends??

I plan to try 'academic super charger' and 'ultimate body' and 'stimulate intuition and insight'.

Rocket Surgery - Which module helped you elimiate negativity????

Thanks in advance for helping me with your answers.

[searstower]

My question is about taking spirulina. I understand its mainly to provide protein. I am lift weights and so generally take in a lot of protein everyday through food and GNC whey protein. Do I have to take spirulina in addition to this?

The reason they recommend spirulina is not necessarily for the protein, it's for the high amount of amino acids in spirulina and the high availability of those protiens. It's one of the most well-rounded amino acid suppliments out there.

The amino acids are used to help your brain create new neural pathways. If the amino acids aren't there or aren't enough, progress will be slower and most of us end up feeling tired and overwhelmed if we are not taking enough.

I'd be surprised if the whey you are taking will have enough amino acids to replace the spirulina, but check the bottles and see. I use the Whole Foods brand.

Rebecca

[Adam]

I realize that I'm about 40 minutes early, but I wanted to move a couple of posts over without running the risk of them bouncing off a closed thread and getting lost.

Hopefully, everything is calmed down now. Enjoy.

[Bitsy]

Originally Posted by Aaron

Hi Bitsy,

Spirulina is about 55-70% protein. 10 grams of spirulina will have around 250-300mg of phenylalanine.

So if you take about 4 grams at the lower end, that is about 100-120mg of phenylalanine.

Hi Aaron,

You were right on the money with that. A PKU dietitian I consult in the US said there are 28 mg of phe per gram of dried spirulina. I have no idea how you figured that out! So, basically, if I eat a lot of sugar and fat to get the necessary no-protien calories, ... theoretically, my diet wouldn't change very much

I have a question I am very curious about, concerning some statistics. I'm aware the product has only been in use for a year, but as you have so much business, there must be figures.

Would you tell me, either in number or in the form of a percentage,

1. how many of your customers have permanently stopped using your product?

2. how many of your customers have not stopped using it/continue to use it (possibly with intervals)?

Thanks

Lucia

[smallstar]

Cheers,

Let me introduce myself first. I am both a skeptic, a scientific thinker, and a computer programmer, who has used a Law of Attraction to find the perfect pasttime programming project...

...and no-one walks in my turf selling flashing lights and binaural beats for $200 in a free market economy, without getting me into the competition!

OK. Let's focus on the facts. If you could buy a similar product for, let's say, an one-time fee between $10 and $30 per module (and being able to run the product from your own computer instead of connecting to a remote server), would you rather pay that, instead of a $200 starting fee plus $30 a month?

I need a few technical details. I can't purchase the product myself to examine it, because I would need to sign a stupid license agreement prohibiting me to do just what I'm going to do. So:

If I understand correctly, the sound system uses binaural beats. What other sounds do you hear when listening to the program? I suppose you need headphones since it is binaural, does the effect persist when headphones are not used?

About the visual side then: what kind of imagery do you see? Do you see text? Colors? Movement? Fractals? Please describe as accurately as you can. What is the refresh rate (is the movement ticking or smooth?)

Then about computational complexity: What are the system requirements? Do you need a program to be installed on your hard drive? What is the size of the installer? Is there a visible effect when using the program over a slow connection?

BTW, I'll ignore every claim about proprietary technology, as there is no claimed patent.

Please answer me in PM.

[The Coronet]

Originally Posted by Aaron

Hi Coronet,

I'm 34 and my pic is in my profile at PI and EnergeticForum. I have pics in my 20's and high school, but you can't tell much difference.

Hey nice pic! Your pretty cute, want to go out for a drink?! PM and Ill send you a pic! ;-)

[shant121]

LOL Coronet!

Smallstar, all your questions have already been answered in this thread before...you'll get a of other details too

[The Coronet]

hehe!

BTW. I love the taste of powedered spirulina, I might be weird, but I just thought id mention it!

[KevinESM]

Hi smallstar,

I have been watching this thread for a few weeks, but never been motivated enough to register so that I could post until now.

You state:

"I can't purchase the product myself to examine it, because I would need to sign a stupid license agreement prohibiting me to do just what I'm going to do."

This is an erroneous assumption you have made. There is no such thing.

I am not sure the company would welcome you with open arms in trying to duplicate their technology, but there is certainly no legal restriction whatsoever preventing you from trying.

As far as what is required on the customer end, computer-wise, go take a look at www.pathsforhealing.com: Program Authoring The Human Subconscious . In the FAQ and other areas of the site you will find all the info you need to begin your project.

One "heads up", the product the company sells is NOT flashing lights and binaural beats. That is just the "seasoning on the steak", it is not the actual steak.

I know many other companies entire product is just binaural beats, however, PATHS just uses that for a distraction for the conscious mind while the RDT technology delivers the "steak" to the subconscious mind.

At no time has the company tried to legally protect it's technology. In fact, they have stated numerous times, in different publications, that they expect that the technology will become widely used at some point in the future.

Maybe you will be the first one to figure it out besides them!

This is just my opinion, but I have gathered that they believe this technology was revealed to them as stewards, to use it in a manner that will benefit the most people possible. If it is revealed to others, then that will just mean that more people will be helped!

Have Fun!



Kevin

[Dan.Linehan]

Originally Posted by KevinESM

This is just my opinion, but I have gathered that they believe this technology was revealed to them as stewards, to use it in a manner that will benefit the most people possible. If it is revealed to others, then that will just mean that more people will be helped!

If PATHS is a valid product, which is highly questionable, considering the "cheers" and "peanut gallery style" followings of an obviously negative and highly sarcastic post like artichokes, but, if it is a valid product, and if the goal of the business were to benefit as many people as possible as KevinESM suggests, I would think that the product would either be free, or it would be very cheap.

Any free, halfway effective product like this would go viral and become very popular online very quickly. The creators would get rich anyway, from notoriety alone.

Of course, that isn't the case here. So we have to wonder, "why not?"

Why are guerilla sales techniques being used? Why is a MLM structure in place?

Domains and hosting are practically free; there is very little overhead to an e-commerce operation like this. Around $100-$300 / year.

If the creator of PATHS truly wants to distribute this product "in a manner that will benefit the most people possible" then I'll issue this offer: Train me on setting up and administering the program. I'll host a site myself for the free distribution of the PATHS program to as many people who are interested in using it.

I'll cover any costs or workload incurred. PATHS can be protected by a Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 License, meaning that I can't use PATHS to generate profit at all, nor can I create any derivative programs.

I would just be a super efficient distributor. You know, distributing "in a manner that will benefit the most people possible."

Alternately, Steve reviews personal development products for free when he is sent a copy. My suggestion is that the PATH creators utilize this service if they want to convince people of their organizations validity.

[Byron]

To any of the Paths creators or distrubutors-

Why is there a text overlay on all of the modules?

It would seem that having the 'paths' text would dilute the strength of the key words, because the mind is being exposed to several layers of stimuli, and makes it harder to differentiate between relevant words and filler layers.

If you already have a photo base, especially with the nature pictures, the mind seems to be already open and in passive mode, and open to the key words.

Same goes for the audio, why do you have several layers? In many binaural beats products, there is the base and a static sound if necessary, but it seems like you have many more layers.

Why don't you reduce it down to only what's necessary, to make the focus words more powerful?

[Angela]

Originally Posted by dc.

Perhaps they know their mother?

Huh? What does that mean?

Dan, your questions/suggestions/concerns (or similar) have been addressed previously by Aaron in this thread.

Love,
Angela

[dor]

Originally Posted by Dan.Linehan

If PATHS is a valid product, which is highly questionable, considering the "cheers" and "peanut gallery style" followings of an obviously negative and highly sarcastic post like artichokes, but, if it is a valid product, and if the goal of the business were to benefit as many people as possible as KevinESM suggests, I would think that the product would either be free, or it would be very cheap.

Any free, halfway effective product like this would go viral and become very popular online very quickly. The creators would get rich anyway, from notoriety alone.

Of course, that isn't the case here. So we have to wonder, "why not?"

Why are guerilla sales techniques being used? Why is a MLM structure in place?

Domains and hosting are practically free; there is very little overhead to an e-commerce operation like this. Around $100-$300 / year.

If the creator of PATHS truly wants to distribute this product "in a manner that will benefit the most people possible" then I'll issue this offer: Train me on setting up and administering the program. I'll host a site myself for the free distribution of the PATHS program to as many people who are interested in using it.

I'll cover any costs or workload incurred. PATHS can be protected by a Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 License, meaning that I can't use PATHS to generate profit at all, nor can I create any derivative programs.


Alternately, Steve reviews personal development products for free when he is sent a copy. My suggestion is that the PATH creators utilize this service if they want to convince people of their organizations validity.

I agree. I keep seeing this thread pop up and "paths" has all the hallmarks of a classic MLM scam...."quick fix' 'magic bullet'.
'Subliminal ' 'programming' and all variations thereof ...is 100% junk science '

"How does PATHS work?
Utilizing breakthrough proprietary technology, PATHS modules assist your subconscious to carry out your conscious goals. "

more bs indicators:: the names of the principles of the company aren't listed anywhere - at least anywhere I can find.

Save your money folks.