Only LOA or do you have to become spiritual too.

[nicbrahms]

In my endeavours to create outside of myself, I have grown immensely spiritually. I have now come to the conclusion somewhere along the line I intricately linked spiritual growth on a huge scale to LOA manifestatation.

I almost feel as though everything I ask for involves some spiritual growth for me. I never intended this, I always thought I would get rich and philosophize after. However, both are occurring simultaneously.

What I want to know has anyone else got themselves into this conundrum that you must show some spiritual growth to satisfty yourself or the universe (one and the same) in order to see manifestation of that which you want.

I have now today come to another realisation that there is some path I am on, which I have been resisting. I didn't want the things I want on this physical plane to involve so much effort in terms of spiritual enlightenment.

I have now realised that nothing external of me matters and can not create joy for me. Everything I need is right here inside of me, and in embracing the moment of now, everything becomes quite remarkably pointless.

I knew all this before however I resisted the growth because I knew it would take me away from the fun I wanted to experience here. So I resisted knowing I already have everything within me to make me completely happy and whole, and that there is nothing external of me that matters to that state of being.

This sucks, and obviously I am still resisting it. I am going to surrender to the moment and allow this process to be.

What plan was put in place about my spiritual growth cause the more it unfurls the more the prescense of God I can feel within me.

Becoming conscious fully in the moment. Yet I know if my internal is perfect then the external will show the same, and yet why do I insist on making it hard for myself.

I wonder does anyone else find that their manifestations require a price to be paid spiritually?

Peace as always

[SlicK]

I wonder does anyone else find that their manifestations require a price to be paid spiritually?

The more I understand from LoA, the more spiritual I become and it feels damn nice! I think it's natural to go along this path. How could you trust the Universe if you don't fall in love with it? How could you fall in love with it if you don't love Life, People, Nature, Giving, Helping?

Whenever I gain something spiritually I feel blessed, I feel happy, tears come to the corners of my eyes.

So yeah, I think that the UNDERSTANDING of the LoA is in direct connection to one's spirituality. The APPLYING of it.. may happen without spiritual growth, but the understanding certainly can't.

[nicbrahms]

Originally Posted by SlicK

The more I understand from LoA, the more spiritual I become and it feels damn nice! I think it's natural to go along this path. How could you trust the Universe if you don't fall in love with it? How could you fall in love with it if you don't love Life, People, Nature, Giving, Helping?

Whenever I gain something spiritually I feel blessed, I feel happy, tears come to the corners of my eyes.

So yeah, I think that the UNDERSTANDING of the LoA is in direct connection to one's spirituality. The APPLYING of it.. may happen without spiritual growth, but the understanding certainly can't.

Yes, but what about the extreme spiritual growth, the enlightenment. I already declared the uncondional love for all and live my life this way accepting everyone and all situations.

What I am talking about is, do you feel like you are on a path that is leading you somewhere as though it wasn't mean't to be easy for you. That there is some higher purpose involved?

Then again, I realise that I have created that path. Accepting that God is within. There is no external force.

Why must I wax lyrical to find the answers that are already within and there fore the taking?

Oh what silly things one must complicate one's life with.

[SlicK]

What I am talking about is, do you feel like you are on a path that is leading you somewhere as though it wasn't mean't to be easy for you. That there is some higher purpose involved?

Yeah I do feel that. But I feel that since I was 5-6 years old. Maybe it's just the simple human in us being scared of something way bigger than the mind or body can grasp. Sometimes I really get scared of some imaginary difficult path that lies ahead of me. Like I am suppose to be some kind of Jesus or something. But I think that's just.. overreacting , we can do a lot of good without having to go through difficult moments.
I think that some people just are born in some way to have a more intense tendency toward spirituality than others.

Anyway, the philosophy on such matters is endless. But practically I think it all comes natural and you understand everything internally. Then the mind remains behind and it desperately wants to catch up

[Diandra25]

with me it was the same thing.when i started reading the Loa i focused on somethings but i never thought it would lead me towards spirituality,or to embrace my own spiritual being.

it is what has been happening all right.i now cant differentiate Loa and spiritualism.cause to me they are intrinsically connected.

loa i can only understand this all and I-M since i became more conected to who i am and who i choose to be,i was told one day that we dont hve a Mission sort to speak.

that we are our own Mission.living in and trhough love,joy and abundance,and that in our daily life,living by these values,is simply experiencing the Mission itself:no matter what we do for a living ...what matters is that we live in accordance to love,joy and abundance.not from a place of fear,doubts and insecurities.

for all this,i do think that to experience loa consciously,we need to embrace our own spirituality

[Melchior]

Originally Posted by nicbrahms

Becoming conscious fully in the moment. Yet I know if my internal is perfect then the external will show the same, and yet why do I insist on making it hard for myself.

I wonder does anyone else find that their manifestations require a price to be paid spiritually?

Maybe it's because you'd feel that it wouldn't be worth it if it were so easy, and so you try to make the goal at least somewhat of a challenge to accomplish; it would be too boring otherwise. As for this price you speak of, perhaps it has something to do with the conservation of energy. Just a thought... >.>

[SunnyDays]

Originally Posted by nicbrahms

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I have now realised that nothing external of me matters and can not create joy for me. Everything I need is right here inside of me, and in embracing the moment of now, everything becomes quite remarkably pointless.

I knew all this before however I resisted the growth because I knew it would take me away from the fun I wanted to experience here. So I resisted knowing I already have everything within me to make me completely happy and whole, and that there is nothing external of me that matters to that state of being.

Becoming conscious fully in the moment. Yet I know if my internal is perfect then the external will show the same, and yet why do I insist on making it hard for myself.

I wonder does anyone else find that their manifestations require a price to be paid spiritually?

I do know the feeling that nothing outside of me matters and that joy comes from within ..long time before I heard of LOA . Since then it was a long journey, and I am still on it but I now can embrace the NOW and enjoy the growth spiritually on this path. And I still do not find that everything outside me or beyond now becomes pointless - I embrace it even more

For example to be more gentle with people around me and except them for what they are and not bothered by their actions is great and that's just one of the great advantages. All the growth has not taken any fun out of my enjoyment- the opposite it doubles.

If that is the price to pay to become more spiritual I am willing to pay that price in threefold

[nicbrahms]

Originally Posted by Diandra25

with me it was the same thing.when i started reading the Loa i focused on somethings but i never thought it would lead me towards spirituality,or to embrace my own spiritual being.

it is what has been happening all right.i now cant differentiate Loa and spiritualism.cause to me they are intrinsically connected.

loa i can only understand this all and I-M since i became more conected to who i am and who i choose to be,i was told one day that we dont hve a Mission sort to speak.

that we are our own Mission.living in and trhough love,joy and abundance,and that in our daily life,living by these values,is simply experiencing the Mission itself:no matter what we do for a living ...what matters is that we live in accordance to love,joy and abundance.not from a place of fear,doubts and insecurities.

for all this,i do think that to experience loa consciously,we need to embrace our own spirituality

Don't you sometimes wish it could be as simple as ask and you shall receive, instead of all the lessons and growth that is needed. Wouldn't it be nice to remain unconscious and have and then slowly become conscious and go from there?

Although deliberately creating is a form of consciousness I guess.

[nicbrahms]

Originally Posted by Melchior

Maybe it's because you'd feel that it wouldn't be worth it if it were so easy, and so you try to make the goal at least somewhat of a challenge to accomplish; it would be too boring otherwise. As for this price you speak of, perhaps it has something to do with the conservation of energy. Just a thought... >.>

How do you mean the conservation of energy?

[nicbrahms]

Originally Posted by SunnyDays

I do know the feeling that nothing outside of me matters and that joy comes from within ..long time before I heard of LOA . Since then it was a long journey, and I am still on it but I now can embrace the NOW and enjoy the growth spiritually on this path. And I still do not find that everything outside me or beyond now becomes pointless - I embrace it even more

For example to be more gentle with people around me and except them for what they are and not bothered by their actions is great and that's just one of the great advantages. All the growth has not taken any fun out of my enjoyment- the opposite it doubles.

If that is the price to pay to become more spiritual I am willing to pay that price in threefold

I agree, I set myself lofty goals in the early days about being Christ Consciousness and I get the feeling those goals may contradict what I want on the material plain.

So that begs the question can this occur?

I love the spiritual growth to as I had such moments of complete knowing, timeless moments, even miracles occurring.

[SunnyDays]

Originally Posted by nicbrahms

I agree, I set myself lofty goals in the early days about being Christ Consciousness and I get the feeling those goals may contradict what I want on the material plain.

So that begs the question can this occur?

I never aimed that high so I guess my goals are not in contradiction ..But looking at your goal "about being Christ Consciousness " so yes I would assume what you experience can and will happen and it will be all OK !

What you ask for you shall receive ...

[Criseyde]

I think they go together as a matter of definition: conscious creation requires consciousness of consciousness... right?

[Melchior]

Originally Posted by nicbrahms

How do you mean the conservation of energy?

I'm just referring to the naive idea of energy conservation which says that energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changing forms. At first I thought that there needed to be some sort of exchange between the two (something about how you might trade spiritual energy for manifestations), like the idea of activation energy from chemistry. But, now upon further inspection, this seems rather silly as you don't actually 'lose' anything spiritually or whatever; rather, a better analogy would be that a certain level of spirituality serves as a sort of catalyst for the manifestations.

[Diandra25]

Nic

yeah....it would be so much faster and easier.but maybe isnt supposed to be that way?....have you ever read the game of life from Florence Scovel?

im always talking about this book cause made me see thigns in a different perspective.

that we do need to turn into a spiritual shifting,in order for us to have the FAITH needed for the manifestations.but the funniest thing is that when you start on that spiritual discovery there are times that you even forget why you entered there,and that you only wanted some material thing...?

and then you realize that you´re turning into your own Purpose and somethings you asked for are no longer that special.

[nicbrahms]

You know what is ironic, I keep getting beyond the point of wanting material things, and know that they don't matter.

I stop my self and prevent myself thinking this way cause I want the material things to matter, so many times I find myself at such peace with what is within.

So completely ridiculous this situation, and I know deep down that when I fully allow my happiness and acceptance to come from within the material things will come anyway.

I guess this is attachment in some form, even though my conversations with God will usually go;

Me: I know that all is within and I am at peace and happy and honour my inner being.
God: (silence)
Me: I want the spiritual growth and it is coming faster than anything else and it is my end result and its so compelling.
God: silence
Me: However, I want the fun of this experience, I want to be a little unconscious and enjoy the material things, I am not done with this place.
God: Mmmmmmmm!
Me: Is it so wrong to put the spiritual stuff on hiatus so that I may live this experience the way I want?
God: (silence)

Me: Okay, guess I will do what I want. Thanks God you've been great as usual. I love you.

So the way I look at it, I choose what I want, how fast I move, how I play, where my spiritual growth takes me, how conscious or unconscious I stay.

And you know what it is up to me, it really is. I call the shots and can do anything I want as can all of you. I have learned that recently all power is within. I am no longer giving my power away to unseen forces that are all within me, there is only me that can make the decisions. I am my universe.

Peace

[Diandra25]

Nic

i understand wha tyou´re saying...that is the limbo that i think.most part of us are in,too.

at least...i know that sometimes i would prefer the exciting things that material wealth would help me to do...and other times i just want to stick with all these amazing informations and work within me.

it is the complexity of human being i gues...

[nicbrahms]

Instead of starting a new thread I am going to elaborate on this one.

What I want to know does love and spiritual power go hand in hand.

I believe they do, I don't think you can have any sort of power spiritually, in that you can feel the divine spark within you and utilise it unless you love everyone and all that is unconditionally.

I think they go hand in hand, so in that LOA does make you more spiritual cause the power comes from the spiritual and therefore to be more spiritual you gain your power from loving unconditionally.

Another question I have is, does LOA or applying your mind more make you lazy or less inclined to do normal stuff that you used to do. I for one have become less inclined to do much of anything, the bare essentials really.

I spend so much time and effort meditating, moving energy around my being, listening to my inner self etc that it makes the doing of mundance or normal things less desirable. Is this the peace and satisfaction from within we all talk about?

Any thoughts anyone?