Esther Hicks/Abraham Hicks

[xtheist]

I just wondered what your opionions are?

I only heard of this lady a few days ago and have been looking at some of her videos on youtube.

What can I say? Quite frankly I don't buy it. I don't believe she is chanelling because of the quality (lack of) of the information and I just don't warm to her as a person. She seems false. The disturbing thing is how sycophantic the audiences always seem to be. I think this woman could tell them that cocoa pops are the reincarnation of Jesus Christ and they would believe her.

I have recently realised I don't believe in god, this is after many years when I was in my 20's and teens of being a born again christian and then going through various beliefs that all entailed a god, in a spiritual sense rather than religous.

If I watch videos of preachers on youtube it seems to me that the congregation have left their mental faculties outside the door. There is something speciific about their expressions and I see the same thing in people watching Esther Hicks.

What do you think?

[bluedragon]

I think she is actually fantastic. I wouldn't be surprised if the words coming from her were indeed channeled. I haven't applied much of the stuff but it all makes perfect sense to me. I personally find her extremely warm as a person.

[SatvikBeri]

I'm not sure. At times Abraham seems fantastic, at other times...eh. I kind of feel like Abraham isn't the same entity every time.

[Anagogy]

My opinion: it's channeled.

[Mister Change]

When I first read the Abraham-Hicks material, I got the sense that it was channeled, but now I am not so sure. Why would such an entity choose to rehash the same material, over and over again, in numerous books and DVDs each aimed to profit in different markets: weight loss, relationships, money, etc.?

It is very tempting to accept channeled material as truth because it comes from a "higher source", but then I focus on the numerous contradictions between various channelers. For example, Seth claims it is impossible to regrow a limb, while Abraham states that such an event is indeed possible. Also, in her last book The Way Toward Health, Jane is in the hospital with a terminal illness. Seth tells Jane that she will recover enough to go home, and that she has chosen not to die. Nevertheless, Jane dies in the hospital.

I still read both Abraham and Seth material, but I certainly have my doubts about their credibility.

[nicbrahms]

This Abraham stuff keeps cropping up.

When I channelled I got told by my entity that although Esther was originally channelling, the channelling stopped because the download was not imparted justly.

It is obvious somewhat, when she first channelled her talking, speech was very similar to other channellers, in elongated vowels etc.
She wss fluid and constant and everything was somewhat sensed as channelling.

However, when you hear her speak normally she actually speaks that way when she channels now. Also in her work at one point she says 'we are hear cause you summoned us', then in another channel she says 'we are not here cause you summoned us'.

Also when she is questioned before she answered quickly and fluidly, now she hesitates and stumbles, thinking of an answer.

You know the stupid thing I have ignored the knowledge about it, although I did mention it earlier and people didn't like it. So I decided that she is nevertheless doing good and so that is fine.

However, I don't find the material helpful, makes me go round and round in circles. Alternatively Bashar is excellent, his teachings stay with me and his mantras are brilliant and have helped me a great deal.

All I know is I stopped channelling when I felt the material was not pure and it was starting to come from me. I reckon Esther knows she is not channelling anymore and should just come clean and become an LOA teacher now instead.

It is misleading, and you are right in that people become very enthralled and can't see the wood for the trees.

I became funny about it also when she acted the way she did over her involvement in 'the secret'. It was too money orientated.

I think if people are getting something from it then good, but if she is misleading people and making them go round in circles then it is not right.

It certainly isn't right for me, it is rehashing and concepts that aren't clear etc.

However, I don't know why I am posting on this, I really don't care. But for some reason some residual download keeps bringing it up in my mind and then this post turns up.

So now I predict that pretty soon she will come clear as controversy will arise over her so-called channelling.

Oh, one of her channels I saw a man ask a question and then he disappeared, she joked to the crowd that 'he's off to the lido bar, he doesn't need to hear the rest of this crap!'. It was so clearly her and not channelling.

I have very strong feelings and intuition about stuff and for some reason ignoring this keeps making it crop up, now I have it out of my system.

I do however believe that Jane did channel Seth though.

I needed to off-load this and now I have, I am done. Everyone can do whatever they want and there is never any judgement from me and I love unconditionally.

[billionairekid]

I personally do not resonate with Abraham Hicks. I speak from experience that while their material sounds good, its garbage. It's not efficacious in anyway. If it was as easy as they say it is, why do they keep writing books and putting out material? They want your money, that's why. They weren't making money before the invention of "Abraham." Have you ever noticed how these gurus who are teaching you how to get your dreams only achieve theirs through teaching you? It's seems a little absurd doesn't it?

One might argue that their dreams may be to help other people. I accept that argument and challenge them to produce something that doesn't involve putting out products in their current market. Most couldn't do it. These people are smart. They know what they are doing. Think about the idea of going downstream all the time. They claim that if you are feeling bad that you are resisting and all you need to do is stop resisting and life will happen. This is true to some extent but they give no valuable means of dealing with this resistance. They don't teach growth, they teach dependence. You are dependent on their material when you follow the path they've created. Anthony Robbins does the same thing (all though I like him because some of his material is viable).

Look around the intentional manifestation forum and Steve's blog. There is tons of information that is far more useful than anything Abraham Hicks has to offer. Life is about growth. Abraham Hicks speak to a materialistic crowd and they do it purposely. Like I said, they are smart.

[jacare]

I like their message. I think the abraham thing is preposterous, and everyone I know (outside the internet) would think I was insane for listening to them for even a second. However, I listen to many different speakers/gurus/etc. on MP3 and my opinion is that Abraham/Hicks are a piece of the puzzle. And I find them oddly reassuring.

My bottom line is that if it works for you, and helps you, then it's good.

[joelr]

Originally Posted by xtheist

I just wondered what your opionions are?

I only heard of this lady a few days ago and have been looking at some of her videos on youtube.

What can I say? Quite frankly I don't buy it. I don't believe she is chanelling because of the quality (lack of) of the information and I just don't warm to her as a person. She seems false. The disturbing thing is how sycophantic the audiences always seem to be. I think this woman could tell them that cocoa pops are the reincarnation of Jesus Christ and they would believe her.

I have recently realised I don't believe in god, this is after many years when I was in my 20's and teens of being a born again christian and then going through various beliefs that all entailed a god, in a spiritual sense rather than religous.

If I watch videos of preachers on youtube it seems to me that the congregation have left their mental faculties outside the door. There is something speciific about their expressions and I see the same thing in people watching Esther Hicks.

What do you think?

I have read some of her work and it is decent LOA material.

But since the first time I read and heard Hicks I felt it was someone who had studied the Seth material and decided to simplify and make it presentable to a wider audience.

Of the 3 options - she's lying, she thinks she's channeling but it's really just herself or it's totally real - I can't get away from suspecting the first 2.

In fact I suspect all channeling is just inner wisdom. Except Seth, that material really delivers what a supernatural entity SHOULD deliver - information beyond what is currently being re-hashed over and over in different words. A LOT of new information. Even things that transcend the Eastern philosophies. Supernatural claims should eaisly have supernatural results. Period.
Also some science that has come true, not just nonsense hiding as science.

However, it's worth checking out one of her basic LOA books as a guide and getting involved for yourself. Free youtube videos or torrents. LOA can be true on many different levels, even if the metaphysical level wasn't as real as thought it can work on a practical level AND it can cause one to harbor more positive states. So either way you win.

[themaster]

I like the earlier work of abraham but I stopped mainly studying in 2008 or so and switched to bashar.. I heard abraham talk about the hicks "secret" fiasco and I actually liked abrahams answer.. cause it sounded liked the truth

I don't think all this doubting really serves a good purpose.. maybe we should now pick apart seth's work or nic's or bashar or mine.. I think the doubt you place in another self is just reflected back to you as doubt in yourself

I believe all truths are true and abrahams number one message has always been.. you don't need to believe that we are real or that we matter.. just see if the information works/helps is valid in your life..

One of the biggest problems you can face here is if you start invalidating a stepping stone that got you into loa or on a loa path.. you will basically make yourself stuck.. and this is my understanding per Bashar.. and his lecture "The Soul Blueprint"

I would also like to note that in my study of "Bashar" material and "Abraham" material they use sometimes the same concepts.. like "Riding the wave of the leading edge and the eddies" also they both have talked about "The Vortex" however I haven't read what abraham was talking about with this.. only seen in person bashar talk about the Vortex in Sedona, AZ

What does it matter if abrahams message is wrong or off?

If it doesn't resonate.. change channels, change information.. but I don't think a let's beat up abraham party is really moving in a forward direction.. does anyone think so?

I think once you start invalidating.. it's a slippery slope.. how far do you want to go?

[aabbcc]

Originally Posted by themaster

If it doesn't resonate.. change channels, change information.. but I don't think a let's beat up abraham party is really moving in a forward direction.. does anyone think so?

Thank you!

I happen to love the Abraham-Hicks material and it has made a huge difference in my life. So has Steve's material. I am grateful to have found them. Of course, I understand that no one thing suits everyone. If Abraham doesn't work for you, just move on to something that does. The problem with negative postings is that you might turn someone away from information that could be instrumental in changing their life for the better. And that would be a shame.

[Elrond]

Originally Posted by aabbcc

If Abraham doesn't work for you, just move on to something that does.

Yep I agree with this and so does Abraham (aren't I a duty fulfilling sheep teehee )

[emergy10]

I must say I dont care if Esther's stuff is or isnt channeled, its in the application of it that is all that matters (and no I dont work for her

I have been listening to and appreciating the Abraham Hicks stuff for about 3 years and I resonate with most of Esther's stuff (even though I have been listening to her for that long, I have only recently started to really try and apply the stuff to my life), although some of it rings of her own ego, and I understand that's just how it is as her own opinions are always hoveriing around whatever else comes through (and I seem to agree with many of her opinions

Sometimes she is inconsistent, eg. sometimes she says that you have to actually feel as if you already have something in order for it to manifest, and at other times she says that you can also feel as if its coming and that will be enough to manifest it. But I overlook these inconsistencies by attempting to apply the knowledge to my own life.

Just by trying to talk myself to a better feeling place, that alone is hard for me, so I don't feel I have to worry too much as to whether she is or isnt channeling cos the info itself is so fantastic and so different to how I had been all my life, and when she says that we have all been masterfully creating all along, its just that we have been masterfully creating in line with how others have dictated to us we should, it so resonates

A cd came with their latest book (The Vortex) and I find that i need to listen to two or three chapters (or tracks from the cd) every day to remind myself to come back to applying the info, and its so ridiculously easy for me to forget to apply the info that I tend to forget it from one minute to the next. This isnt cos I 'm terribly forgetful or anything, or maybe it is, but I think its cos I am so unused to thinking or approaching my experience in the way the Abraham Hicks material suggests.

Anyway, I think if everyone could come to even try to approach their experiences in life by employing the suggestions outlined in the Abraham Hicks material this planet and the lives of all of us would transform so thoroughly, as mine does from one day to the next (now that I really try to apply the suggestions), that within a couple of years we would all be living like the gods that we are

Daniel

[Elrond]

Originally Posted by SatvikBeri

I'm not sure. At times Abraham seems fantastic, at other times...eh. I kind of feel like Abraham isn't the same entity every time.

Maybe because they aren't a single entity. They are a collection of beings, they say.

Originally Posted by billionairekid

I speak from experience that while their material sounds good, its garbage.

Pretty much a whole forum has had a different experience than you.

Abraham-Hicks Teachings and You - Forums - Abraham-Hicks Discussion

That would perhaps make your claim less objective than what you seem to imply, hmmm?

It is a quite unique forum, actually. It is basically filled with alot of members that have as much or more upbeat and optimistic attitude (that can be discerned through text, anyway) than people such as... I dunno maybe Angela. (That's the general trend I have picked up on though, it might not be that way now or have always been like that, it has just been that way the numerous times that I have read through it). Before, I couldn't really browse that forum very much because I didn't like the vibe of it: extremely optimistic people with an incredibly huge and colourful palete of emoticons. In short, it was too happy for me. (misery loves company, not misery loves Pollyana)

It would seem that if they are genuinely happy, they are doing something right. Of course someone will come in and say that they are only happy because they are deluding themselves and that ignorance is bliss (which it is; ignorance of that which you don't like is bliss) but I can't remember seeing anyone posting that their beliefs have eventually caused their reality to crash and burn. And these are people that live normal lives, they don't get convinced by Esther to go with her to some farm in Arizona where she can freely brainwash them and shield them from the cruel and contradicting reality of normal lives while she promptly steals their social security number, although it seems some people here might believe that could happen, lol.

It's not efficacious in anyway. If it was as easy as they say it is, why do they keep writing books and putting out material?

Because people keep asking. And not only about LoA, but everything, the Universe, reality, our future, our past, animals, why we are here right now, why we chose to come here, our broader perspectives. Also a wide variety of specific issues, like the loss one feels when a relative dies, a pet dies, minority rights and discrimation etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.

And they do repeat what they have already said A LOT. And they take central concepts and demonstrate them in a new way, like the «upstream/downstream» thing you touched on. Maybe because they want to get the core message through to a culture that takes life waaaay too seriously and wants to make everything complicated and hard («this is too good to be true, there must be more that I have to do?») I know from experience that in the perhaps YEARS after reading my first book by Abraham, I searched out other teachers in order to make my approach to the LoA «whole», since I reasoned that it couldn't possibly be as easy as they say it is. I am partly still struggling with it.

They want your money, that's why. They weren't making money before the invention of "Abraham."

I'm not sure but I seem to remember that they were well off before they met Abraham. And do you really have enough evidence to make such definitive claims? It's a nice way to gossip and taint someones reputation but as far as having a mature discussion it doesn't really hold.

Have you ever noticed how these gurus who are teaching you how to get your dreams only achieve theirs through teaching you? It's seems a little absurd doesn't it?

Is is so weird that their wealth comes through what is essentially their daily job? Would you rather that it came through them winning the lottery?

It isn't weird that Steve Pavlina (another person that can be viewed as a guru, and that says that he wants you to achieve and live your dream life) gets most of his income from this site and products and things that are related to it. It is, after all, his job, and therefor would seem to be the path of least resistance for money to come through.

One might argue that their dreams may be to help other people. I accept that argument and challenge them to produce something that doesn't involve putting out products in their current market. Most couldn't do it. These people are smart. They know what they are doing. Think about the idea of going downstream all the time. They claim that if you are feeling bad that you are resisting and all you need to do is stop resisting and life will happen. This is true to some extent but they give no valuable means of dealing with this resistance.

I guess half of the Book Ask and It is Given, 150 pages, that is devoted to processess to deal with resistance and creation doesn't exist than, huh. (unless you have tried them and didn't find them valuable). And then you have all the practical stuff that they have discussed in workshops, such as the infamous 17 seconds of pure thought equals 10000 labour hours (or 20000). Another book I have, titled «the astonishing power of your emotions» (I don't remember the title I haven't read it in a looong while) has each chapter deal with a specific issue, like for example I said that previously that your pet has died. And after it has discussed that, it suggests ways to go from being in a bad way emotionally to getting over it. Might it not be simpler to work through a rough experience if you have some perspective on it (it doesn't need to be their perspective, mind you)? Like for example that you get to know why you react the way you do, that the dead really aren't dead and are living in a state of being so glorious that most humans that live can't even fathom (though if they shifted their attention they might get their emotionally).

I don't know about the other books as I haven't read them.

They don't teach growth, they teach dependence. You are dependent on their material when you follow the path they've created.

If they/Esther wanted people to be dependent on their material, they wouldn't let their teachings be so simplistic. Feel as good as you can as much as you can -- that pretty much sums up their whole philosophy. By making it so simple as to be about your own feelings, than you have much more options to feel good than their material. You don't even need anything more than the knowledge they give you, which can be baught inexpensively. In many processess you need only your own mind, and maybe a pen and paper to be able to focus more easily. If I were them, I would say that you perhaps need some kind of crystal for example, a special kind of crystal that can only be baught from them (of course I would have to find a way for it to be both believable and profitable). If their goal is to make as much money as possible, their strategy seems less than optimal.

Then you can counter with saying «but perhaps the simplicity is just to lure people in to their nets, so that they can unknowingly get trapped into their world by a philosophy that promises great reward from minimal effort». And I'll say that they never get tired of repeating dead simple stuff like «just feel as good as you can», or to in a humourus way respond to an audience that might be qurious about the technicalities of how reality operates by saying that 'you are all taking things waaaaaaaaaaaay too seriously, just feel good is all you need to do, but if you want to know all this stuff sure we'll indulge you'.

I am quite fund of Abraham and have bought two books from them, and I think that is all I will ever really require if what they talk about turns out to be true (though I might want more later, not out of requirement but quriosity and desire) . I don't think that's a big investment.

Look around the intentional manifestation forum and Steve's blog. There is tons of information that is far more useful than anything Abraham Hicks has to offer.

I have found all other LoA sources inferior to Abraham, for me.

Life is about growth. Abraham Hicks speak to a materialistic crowd and they do it purposely.

I find it ironic that you seem to speak of materialism negatively, and you call your self billionairekid. No judgement, I find nothing inherently wrong with materialism in the light of LoA.

Originally Posted by luckyluciano

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It's quite frightening that adult sane individuals fall for chanelling and still believe in ghosts.

It seems that by extension you would find most peoples spiritual beliefs on here frightening. A large percentage believe in concepts such as oneness and things related to it. IMO there isn't a leap of faith to believe in the possibility of channeling within the framework of such beliefs. Yet I find that people seem to be weirded out by it. They talk all day about how we're all really one and you are a reflection of me and I am you yadda yadda, but to think that a spiritual being can be able to communicate through a person (a person that they are already at one with, anyway) no that's weeeiiiirdiiiing me out maaaaan.

Of course if you find all of the oneness talk to be a "frightening" belief too, than I can understand where you're coming from.


I don't get where you got the part about ghosts from though... Abraham isn't a deceased spirit.

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Epilogue : I hope someone gets something out of this post, as it destroyed my vision of going to bed early lol Oh well, my thoughts, my visions, my actions.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Elrond

It is a quite unique forum, actually. It is basically filled with alot of members that have as much or more upbeat and optimistic attitude (that can be discerned through text, anyway) than people such as... I dunno maybe Angela. (That's the general trend I have picked up on though, it might not be that way now or have always been like that, it has just been that way the numerous times that I have read through it). Before, I couldn't really browse that forum very much because I didn't like the vibe of it: extremely optimistic people with an incredibly huge and colourful palete of emoticons. In short, it was too happy for me. (misery loves company, not misery loves Pollyana)

It would seem that if they are genuinely happy, they are doing something right. Of course someone will come in and say that they are only happy because they are deluding themselves and that ignorance is bliss (which it is; ignorance of that which you don't like is bliss)

Yah, I've been there like you and I rejected being a part of their community.. cause yah.. I don't like delusional happy

(accept lately with my newest teacher.. I'm becoming more and more happy.. so maybe soon I will be crazy abraham forum happy! )

But also cause they seem to have ran their forum at the time of.. you can only quote abraham.. which I don't have time everyday to quote abraham and have a discussion about a quote.. seems kind of silly..

Someone told me they also are condescending to any other message.. so for example if we started talking about bashar in there.. they would reject that information.. if that's the case.. that's definitely a forum I don't want to be part off..

Something resonated about steve's forum in 2006 and now I understand that even better now.. I continue to be a member for now

I think I’m one of the weird few that never reads Steve’s blog posts etc. too!

[beatnix]

I still value the older Abraham books and workshop recordings, but in the more recent material I have come across points that do not resonate with me anymore (as I pointed out in the Why reject abraham-hicks? thread). That won't keep me from rereading the older books as I keep rereading all books I consider valuable.

Originally Posted by Elrond

It would seem that if they are genuinely happy, they are doing something right.

This 'genuine happiness' is protected by censorship. theabeforum is heavily moderated and any post not in line with their very strict guidelines gets eliminated very quickly. This policy has driven lots of members away and some of them formed Abetalk - Frequency Resonance Community as their own 'free speech zone'.

Originally Posted by themaster

But also cause they seem to have ran their forum at the time of.. you can only quote abraham.. which I don't have time everyday to quote abraham and have a discussion about a quote.. seems kind of silly..

Someone told me they also are condescending to any other message.. so for example if we started talking about bashar in there.. they would reject that information.. if that's the case.. that's definitely a forum I don't want to be part off..

That's right. Years ago theabeforum members were allowed to impart some knowledge outside the Abraham-Hicks teachings but that's no longer the case.

[OlderWiser]

Originally Posted by beatnix

Years ago theabeforum members were allowed to impart some knowledge outside the Abraham-Hicks teachings but that's no longer the case.

That's very disturbing.

[Elrond]

Originally Posted by beatnix

This 'genuine happiness' is protected by censorship. theabeforum is heavily moderated and any post not in line with their very strict guidelines gets eliminated very quickly. This policy has driven lots of members away and some of them formed Abetalk - Frequency Resonance Community as their own 'free speech zone'.

That's interesting, I have heard rumours before that they are heavily moderated.

EDIT: Though that abetalk site seems pretty happy too, from what I've seen. They've certainly got some interesting emoticons too.

That's right. Years ago theabeforum members were allowed to impart some knowledge outside the Abraham-Hicks teachings but that's no longer the case.

That's kinda sad. On one hand you could say that they are heavily specialized, but I feel that it would be better to let the posters have freedom in talking about other teachers and philosophies.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by joelr

In fact I suspect all channeling is just inner wisdom. Except Seth, that material really delivers what a supernatural entity SHOULD deliver - information beyond what is currently being re-hashed over and over in different words.

Aha ..... Have you checked out (1) Bashar, (2) Orin and (3) ACIM?

[joelr]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Aha ..... Have you checked out (1) Bashar, (2) Orin and (3) ACIM?

I've seen a bunch of recent Bashar videos, from what I saw he was literally preaching metaphysics slightly below or the same(but with way too many filler words) as the level of the average poster on this site.

Which is decent level as there are many informed individuals here. He's at maybe 55% of your level.

I can't view that as supernatural. Personally I would only consider supernormal level preaching as supernatural. All these channelers to me seem like "Seth lite". But the thing is not only was Seth much denser, it was quite new material. I know many of the metaphysics that came before and many of the concepts were around but Seth's verbage for one was very unique. Since then all the channelers use these same buzzwords.

Again, Seth's physics has become realized to a fair degree. Someday I want to re-read all Seth and map out all of the things he mentioned that have become standard physics concepts. Doesn't mean Seth is exactly what he is claimed to be either.

I understand that Hicks and Bashar are great teachers. I really like Hicks work and have read one of her main works (downloaded as an ebook, I think it was Ask and You Shall Receive?)
I think it's all great stuff, I'm not putting it down just saying my personal belief is the source is internal.



I will check out those other sources thanks. Are they better than Bashar?

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by joelr

I will check out those other sources thanks. Are they better than Bashar?

Well, ACIM ("A Course in Miracles") is definitely dense. Denser than Seth. Then again, after ACIM, you might appreciate Seth more, because while Seth deals with very difficult concepts and topics, he IS actually clear and organised in the presentation.

Orin is not dense. However Orin is not limited to "how to manifest your desire" topics, but also deals with issues of spiritual growth, emotional wellbeing, seeking guidance from the universe etc etc.

So if you get a little tired of Abraham, then Orin makes a refreshing change.

[Wax Frog]

5:55 my time - ALG, did you do that on purpose?

[joelr]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Well, ACIM ("A Course in Miracles") is definitely dense. Denser than Seth. Then again, after ACIM, you might appreciate Seth more, because while Seth deals with very difficult concepts and topics, he IS actually clear and organised in the presentation.

Orin is not dense. However Orin is not limited to "how to manifest your desire" topics, but also deals with issues of spiritual growth, emotional wellbeing, seeking guidance from the universe etc etc.

So if you get a little tired of Abraham, then Orin makes a refreshing change.

Oh, yeah sure, the Course. I've looked into a lot of the history and read much of the Course from their free website.
They certainly tuned into something heavy.

[Dharma]

Originally Posted by xtheist

I just wondered what your opionions are?

I've said this in other threads. The collective that is Abraham has stated they've never been in physical form. What's the difference? Denial.

In physicality ALL denial manifests. In other dimensions, you can create with denial and still have a lot of movement without noticing the game you're playing with yourself.

Where Abraham is I'm sure it can look like you're creating with your thoughts, positive emotions, and have a lot of success too. If you look around these forums, the teachings don't have a high success rate as far as manifestation goes. That's because we're in the physical dimension, and the denial we use in our creative process shows up immediately.

So if shopping for channeled info, especially on reality creation, get it from someone who's done time in the physical.

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Dharma

I've said this in other threads. The collective that is Abraham has stated they've never been in physical form. What's the difference? Denial.

Can you please point out where Abraham has ever said they that they have never been in physical form?

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Dharma

I've said this in other threads. The collective that is Abraham has stated they've never been in physical form. What's the difference? Denial.

In physicality ALL denial manifests. In other dimensions, you can create with denial and still have a lot of movement without noticing the game you're playing with yourself.

Where Abraham is I'm sure it can look like you're creating with your thoughts, positive emotions, and have a lot of success too. If you look around these forums, the teachings don't have a high success rate as far as manifestation goes. That's because we're in the physical dimension, and the denial we use in our creative process shows up immediately.

So if shopping for channeled info, especially on reality creation, get it from someone who's done time in the physical.

One odd point about Abraham (for me anyway) is that Abraham hardly ever draws distinctions between things like:

(a) conscious, subconscious, unconscious
(b) beta, alpha, theta states of mind

For them, it's as if we humans almost always have just one kind of mind. The Abraham teachings have very little emphasis on things like going to alpha, and then creating with your thoughts. In the Abraham framework, people are supposed to create, mostly with their thoughts in normal consciousness.

Maybe it works like that, where they come from. In our physical reality (I'm speaking based on just my own experience, of course), however, it does make a heck of a lot of difference in the success rate, whether you think about your intention while in deep alpha, or just in everyday ordinary consciousness.

I don't mean to say that thoughts in everyday ordinary consciousness don't create (they do), but from an IM perspective, they definitely have less creative power.

[emergy10]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

One odd point about Abraham (for me anyway) is that Abraham hardly ever draws distinctions between things like:

(a) conscious, subconscious, unconscious
(b) beta, alpha, theta states of mind

For them, it's as if we humans almost always have just one kind of mind. The Abraham teachings have very little emphasis on things like going to alpha, and then creating with your thoughts. In the Abraham framework, people are supposed to create, mostly with their thoughts in normal consciousness.

Maybe it works like that, where they come from. In our physical reality (I'm speaking based on just my own experience, of course), however, it does make a heck of a lot of difference in the success rate, whether you think about your intention while in deep alpha, or just in everyday ordinary consciousness.

I don't mean to say that thoughts in everyday ordinary consciousness don't create (they do), but from an IM perspective, they definitely have less creative power.

Abraham seems to respond to questions about subconscious and unconscious influences by telling the questioner to "get conscious" of those influences by saying something to the effect that "if unconscious or subconscious influences, thoughts, knowings, feelings etc. are able to affect one, then one can become conscious of them in their everyday consciousness" and that this is what one should do.

I havent heard Abraham or Esther suggest a specific method to do this, but Abraham does recommend meditation of whatever sort suits each individual and presumably this would be a way to become conscious of those unconscious or subconscious influences that may or may not be affecting us.

Daniel

[emergy10]

From my experience of the Abraham Hicks material I have become fairly convinced that Abraham isn't really interested in assisting us getting what we want, or more precisely, what we THINK we want from our current perspective. What I think Abraham is about is getting us to come to know what we truly want, and we all really want the same thing cos WE ARE really all the same thing, the same being.

I think Abraham is bringing us to come to realise that no matter what, we can choose how we want to feel in any given moment. Most of us aren't going to be very interested in knowing this from our current set of beliefs and convictions and "desires" (we just want what we want now) and so Abraham dangles the carrot of attaining our desires in order to draw us in.

However after we have been applying the methods for a while and realising that we really can choose how we will feel, no matter what is going on "externally", we then become aware of other possibilities and what we initially thought we wanted from our perspective of being convinced that our feelings are determined by "external" goings on suddenly seems like small fry compared to what we then realise we can really achieve now that we are aware that we are master of our feelings in every circumstance (which is perhaps the ultimate goal but we achieve it to degrees as we go along).

This isn't to say that I am being critical of the Abraham Hicks material on these grounds. I totally reckon its on the complete right track specifically BECAUSE this is its real goal.

Having said all that though, I also am pretty convinced that one will still manifest (as a sort of incidental bonus) what they thought they wanted (the initial "desires") when they started out on the journey of following the methods suggested in the Abraham material and deciding to feel the way they want to feel, as long as those initial "desires" in no way compromise the newly discovered ability (of being the master of ones own emotions in any given moment) or any loftier aims that have arisen as distinct possibilities as a result of that ability.

Daniel

[bluedragon]

I wonder what some of the psychics on the forum think about this. After all, maybe this should have been posted in the psychic section, since the discussion is mainly weather it is channeled or not.

[pickledonion12]

Can't stand Abraham Hicks. Their books are soooo repetitive and shmaltzy.