Esther Hicks/Abraham Hicks

[billionairekid]

@Elrond - I lived their principles for a year and had no measurable changes in the quality of my life or the manifestations I was producing. As far as them not having money - I listened to an audio where they talked about their lives before Abe. They said something about how they were experiencing rough times and that's when Abe appeared during a meditation and their whole lives were changed. People can be delusional to the point of blind happiness. Happiness is an emotion and as with all emotions, you can choose to feel it at any time for any reason. It’s not a measurable variable.

I had an audio program from them that literally rehashed the same basic idea (which was of no help the first time I heard it as it was after the billionth time I heard it) for something like 11 hours (yes, I was one of those Abe fanatics sucked in by the idea of being able to produce a mansion and money with just my thoughts - and fulfilling relationships too).

The difference between Steve and Abraham Hicks is that Steve isn't preaching about blind faith. All of Steve's ideas are tested by him and can be proven to be effective through measurable results. Put his ideas to the challenge in a non-judgmental way and see what happens . However, trying this same approach with Abraham Hicks material will not produce similar results.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by billionairekid

However, trying this same approach with Abraham Hicks material will not produce similar results.

That's unfortunate cause now you’re the one making the difference..

How many people is it going to take to post in this thread that abraham-hicks made a difference in their lives.. even if you’re the one exception? Before you validate that?

Here, I'll start abraham information made a difference in my life.. want to invalidate me..?

All of loa experience is not quantifiable really to anyone.. to me it's personal.. I could tell you 1,000 and one manifestation story's as I'm sure anyone else can.. but the real truth of it is.. you have to try it and find for yourself.. I would not look at abraham-hicks material vengefully (which is what your post is kind of saying) or negatively.. I would just say it didn't work for me for whatever reason and move on to something that does..

I have talked about the idea before of how we all get to CHOOSE what works for us by the idea of a lecture called "permission slips" by one of my teachers.. maybe I'll add some of this lecture today so you can have a read

[pickledonion12]

Can't stand Abraham Hicks. Their books are soooo repetitive and shmaltzy.

[chantel]

I like Abraham Hicks, i take what works for me. How ever do i believe she is channeling? No! I resonate with bashar...do i believe he is channeling some alien, No! To me channeling is bs, and i think a big reason why a lot of people don't find them credible and disregard loa

[nicbrahms]

Originally Posted by chantel

I like Abraham Hicks, i take what works for me. How ever do i believe she is channeling? No! I resonate with bashar...do i believe he is channeling some alien, No! To me channeling is bs, and i think a big reason why a lot of people don't find them credible and disregard loa

I can tell you all this, I have channelled and stopped when I doubted the sincerity of the material in that I began influencing it. The download was not as strong.

I was told then that Esther Hicks is no longer channelling, she was, no doubt about that but the information became impure and as anyone knows if downloaded information is not utilised it ceases. Hence, Esther Hicks is not channelling now. Bashar on the other hand is a pure channel.

Go to her website and listen to her audios, listen to her voice there. Similar to SETH. Later, however, it completely becomes her.

I also will say this, that not long from now, she will come forward and admit that she is not channelling, she will not say she hasn't been channelling during her workshops, but she will come forward and say she is no longer a channel.

Just remember you read it here first, I saw this whole issue and this thread happening.

When I determine why my higher self keeps bringing this issue into my mind I will let you all know, cause I sincerely don't give a crap. However, it keeps coming into my head and now I think there is a reason for it.

I will let you know.

Toodles, yes my feisty self is back, calm has abated for a while it seems.

[Elrond]

Originally Posted by billionairekid

@Elrond - I lived their principles for a year and had no measurable changes in the quality of my life or the manifestations I was producing.

I'm sorry that it didn't work for you. I will be the last to suggest that you pursue something that doesn't resonate with you.

As far as them not having money - I listened to an audio where they talked about their lives before Abe. They said something about how they were experiencing rough times and that's when Abe appeared during a meditation and their whole lives were changed.

"Rough times" economically? Not to get too caught up in it, cause it doesn't really imply anything one way or another whether they were well off before or not. You'll find that a lot of people that are succesful has had a less fortunate background or has at one time in their life felt like they've hit rock bottom, like Oprah, Anthony Robbins and your very own Steve with his incarceration.

People can be delusional to the point of blind happiness. Happiness is an emotion and as with all emotions, you can choose to feel it at any time for any reason. It’s not a measurable variable.

You must be quite gifted, for that doesn't come easily for me.
And like I said, if people are delusional they still live in the real world, and I haven't heard any stories of people that have crashed and burned due to what you describe as being "delusional".

I had an audio program from them that literally rehashed the same basic idea (which was of no help the first time I heard it as it was after the billionth time I heard it) for something like 11 hours (yes, I was one of those Abe fanatics sucked in by the idea of being able to produce a mansion and money with just my thoughts - and fulfilling relationships too).

Maybe you are bitter that you invested so much time in it and you didn't get anything out of it? I'm not taking a jab at you, it's a genuine question.

And Abraham aren't about manifesting mansions and money with your thoughts (although maybe you were) they are about feeling good no matter what (whether it's from being a billionare or from running a marathon etc etc). And since you already have an easy time feeling how you want to feel, it seems that you have achieved that goal already.

The difference between Steve and Abraham Hicks is that Steve isn't preaching about blind faith. All of Steve's ideas are tested by him and can be proven to be effective through measurable results. Put his ideas to the challenge in a non-judgmental way and see what happens . However, trying this same approach with Abraham Hicks material will not produce similar results.

Like themaster has said alot of people have had great success with this (unless he and them are lying, or deluded, but I believe them as much as any other person I encounter on the internet) But I guess all of that doesn't matter, since it hasn't been your experience, huh.

And your choice to disvalidate something generally based on your experience, though there are people that have had success with it also, can be seen as a converse fallacy of accident. In other words, perhaps you are being judgemental yourself.



Do you wish to comment on the rest of your points that I responded to, or where they really as lightweight and knee-jerk as I suspected?

[Elrond]

Originally Posted by nicbrahms

You think channelling is BS and yet you believe Hicks is channelling and Bashar is not???????????????

Read her post again...

Just remember you read it here first, I saw this whole issue and this thread happening.

k I will.

[nicbrahms]

Originally Posted by Elrond

Read her post again...




k I will.

Darn tootin', I have re-read the post.

Thank you my dear, ones eyes are not as spot on as they were.

[ursixx]

I don't like to pay for content. I will not pay.So I get the A-H daily quote free their web site has lots of free stuff. you tube. so A-h loa hasn't cost me a cent. I find on a production level A-H has a very smooth polished mainstream look ei book.cruises clean well developed website (Jerrys days in Amway paying off?) Where as Bashar is very new-age. His web site is very.... simple.I am not saying anything negative.I have just started looking at Bashar this week (thanks Nic) and am enjoying the messages.

[nicbrahms]

Originally Posted by ursixx

I don't like to pay for content. I will not pay.So I get the A-H daily quote free their web site has lots of free stuff. you tube. so A-h loa hasn't cost me a cent. I find on a production level A-H has a very smooth polished mainstream look ei book.cruises clean well developed website (Jerrys days in Amway paying off?) Where as Bashar is very new-age. His web site is very.... simple.I am not saying anything negative.I have just started looking at Bashar this week (thanks Nic) and am enjoying the messages.

Bashar is wonderful, the message is so clear and leaves such a lasting impression on me. He has got me through some bad times, I would actually say in the beginning it was Bashar that really pushed me to develop myself and not give up.

Wonderful message, wonderful medium, wonderful channel, wonderful man for doing it, wonderful consistency, wonderful explanations, wonderful information, nuff said.

The world is perfect and thank goodness for channellers like Bashar for assisting us through this perfect world to make it even more perfect.

I owe Bashar many thanks.

[beatnix]

I agree

[joelr]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Aha ..... Have you checked out (1) Bashar, (2) Orin and (3) ACIM?

I've seen a bunch of recent Bashar videos, from what I saw he was literally preaching metaphysics slightly below or the same(but with way too many filler words) as the level of the average poster on this site.

Which is decent level as there are many informed individuals here. He's at maybe 55% of your level.

I can't view that as supernatural. Personally I would only consider supernormal level preaching as supernatural. All these channelers to me seem like "Seth lite". But the thing is not only was Seth much denser, it was quite new material. I know many of the metaphysics that came before and many of the concepts were around but Seth's verbage for one was very unique. Since then all the channelers use these same buzzwords.

Again, Seth's physics has become realized to a fair degree. Someday I want to re-read all Seth and map out all of the things he mentioned that have become standard physics concepts. Doesn't mean Seth is exactly what he is claimed to be either.

I understand that Hicks and Bashar are great teachers. I really like Hicks work and have read one of her main works (downloaded as an ebook, I think it was Ask and You Shall Receive?)
I think it's all great stuff, I'm not putting it down just saying my personal belief is the source is internal.



I will check out those other sources thanks. Are they better than Bashar?

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by joelr

I will check out those other sources thanks. Are they better than Bashar?

Well, ACIM ("A Course in Miracles") is definitely dense. Denser than Seth. Then again, after ACIM, you might appreciate Seth more, because while Seth deals with very difficult concepts and topics, he IS actually clear and organised in the presentation.

Orin is not dense. However Orin is not limited to "how to manifest your desire" topics, but also deals with issues of spiritual growth, emotional wellbeing, seeking guidance from the universe etc etc.

So if you get a little tired of Abraham, then Orin makes a refreshing change.

[Wax Frog]

5:55 my time - ALG, did you do that on purpose?

[ellie]

I agree with the OP I don't get anything from listening to Esther Hicks/Abraham Hicks on a verbal level. I've mentioned in another thread before, I find that I can't listen to her voice as it gives me this odd feeling.

I read one of their books on the other hand, and found it quite easy to read and some of it resonated with me. Do I believe she is talking through Abraham? No. But doesn't mean some of her concepts work.

I liked Bashar much more, again I don't think he's channelling a entity, but maybe his higher subconscious mind.

[moonrambler]

My first introduction to all this was Ruth Montgomery's automatic writing.

[joelr]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Well, ACIM ("A Course in Miracles") is definitely dense. Denser than Seth. Then again, after ACIM, you might appreciate Seth more, because while Seth deals with very difficult concepts and topics, he IS actually clear and organised in the presentation.

Orin is not dense. However Orin is not limited to "how to manifest your desire" topics, but also deals with issues of spiritual growth, emotional wellbeing, seeking guidance from the universe etc etc.

So if you get a little tired of Abraham, then Orin makes a refreshing change.

Oh, yeah sure, the Course. I've looked into a lot of the history and read much of the Course from their free website.
They certainly tuned into something heavy.

[Zas]

I love Abraham as channeled through Esther Hicks . . . Something about the specific way that the message is offered just clicks for me. They offer the most slimmed down version of things to my ears (which I guess I really set up for myself since I came from a hardcore dogmatic atheist perspective; so I just want the most simplified [yet practical!] version of the truth available, you know?)

So, I feel great when I listen to it. And it's totally been working for my life- Things more incredible than I could have envisioned myself have just been falling into my lap. I love the generalized message because life for me is no longer so materialistically-focused. I mean, I get incredible manifestations all the time, and the physical experience is so much more stimulating and sensual . . . But the real treasure is seeing the continual improvement in EVERY area of my life as a whole, and hitting higher and higher emotional frequencies.

So . . . I don't expect this particular voice to resonate wonderfully with everyone, but it does for me. To the extent that, after my own thoughts/emotions of course, it feels like the purest connection with truth for me.

I'm healthier than I've ever been before, I have the best career situation that I've had so far, I'm having the best romantic relationship I've ever had, I'm having the best relationships of all other forms that I've ever had, my life is filled with more "magic" and positive surprises than I've ever experienced, I'm happier than I've ever been before, and things are just getting better and better . . . It's really ME that has brought this about- but Abraham is the biggest nameable stepping stone along that path.

Love you all. <3

[Zas]

Oh hey, and on the subject of the "validity" of the channel or whatever . . . Well, honestly, I'm not really concerned about that since I can't verify how real all these little opinionated usernames I'm seeing on this forum are anyway. (Why waste time trying to verify the unverifiable when there are exciting experiences to be had?)

But to play with this dialogue . . . I've noticed from Bashar and Abraham clips that often times they are able to point out stuff to unique questioners which seem to hit them in deeply synchronistic ways. Also that they straight up seem to know some things about people in the same way that a psychic does. I've also come across clips by each where they admit that they are coming through pretty flavored by the specific person who is operating as a channel . . . I think Abe speaks more to me personally because the message there isn't saying, "I existed at this time and in this place and I am of this species" instead it's, "We are nonphysical, without rigid timing or location," etc . . .

My sister-in-law lent me a Ramtha video where something really pleasing to hear was said: "Don't dismiss me as my daughter or dismiss me as a fraud- My god man, have more intelligence than that. Listen to the message."

That statement was pretty fun to hear right then because I wasn't sure how to respond to a "channeled" entity claiming to have had a time and location, as I was saying before. It's funny because that skeptical side of me gets triggered, pretending to be the voice of logic while making an ad hominem argument, heh. In my experience, a lot of these teaching-oriented messages coming through "channeled" beings will basically say, "Different strokes for different folks: Here's our message and if it doesn't work for you, then, for the love of YOU, find something that does!" And yet . . . Heh.

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Zas

So, I feel great when I listen to it. And it's totally been working for my life- Things more incredible than I could have envisioned myself have just been falling into my lap. I love the generalized message because life for me is no longer so materialistically-focused. I mean, I get incredible manifestations all the time, and the physical experience is so much more stimulating and sensual . . . But the real treasure is seeing the continual improvement in EVERY area of my life as a whole, and hitting higher and higher emotional frequencies.

So . . . I don't expect this particular voice to resonate wonderfully with everyone, but it does for me. To the extent that, after my own thoughts/emotions of course, it feels like the purest connection with truth for me.

I'm healthier than I've ever been before, I have the best career situation that I've had so far, I'm having the best romantic relationship I've ever had, I'm having the best relationships of all other forms that I've ever had, my life is filled with more "magic" and positive surprises than I've ever experienced, I'm happier than I've ever been before, and things are just getting better and better . . . It's really ME that has brought this about- but Abraham is the biggest nameable stepping stone along that path.

Ditto Zas, ditto.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Zas

But to play with this dialogue . . . I've noticed from Bashar and Abraham clips that often times they are able to point out stuff to unique questioners which seem to hit them in deeply synchronistic ways. Also that they straight up seem to know some things about people in the same way that a psychic does. I've also come across clips by each where they admit that they are coming through pretty flavored by the specific person who is operating as a channel . .

Yep, bashar says he's there in a astral body I think or something like that.. not just in the channel.. Also he has said that he gets information from the entire room via psychic information/telepathy..

When I was there the 2nd time and I got talk to him personally.. I felt like we had a communication problem.. but that was more like a physical dialog and ego and telepathy problem.. but what I did notice afterword’s was.. that I saw my corresponding thoughts show up in dialog to other people.. and so it seems to me it was working just not for me and my questions

Lastly, yes bashar has warned about how ego can come out in channeled information I believe the answer is simply to go with what resonates..

[billionairekid]

@Elrond and the master -

I think you two have helped open my eyes. I think you're right that I may be a little vengeful for what I perceive to be an apparent waste of my time . I'm going to look into it. I guess my personal opinion comes from the belief that there is better material out there when it comes to manifesting your desires. Their material does not resonate with me in any way, shape, or form and I should probably keep that opinion to myself so as not to turn open minded people away from an opportunity that can help them grow

After all, now that I think about it, they are indirectly responsible for the current path that I'm on. So please forgive the outburst and let me say this.......

To Abraham-Hicks - I appreciate your dedication to spreading the message you believe in for without that dedication, I might not be on the path I'm on. You've made a difference in my life and I'm grateful. I still don't like your material though

[Elrond]

^ Good luck man. It turns out that you're a more reflected billionarekid than I first thought

[robrave]

I have read Abraham-Hicks books and I'm listening to their CDs and tapes everyday.

Whether you believe she is channeling or not, well I believe she does, you can make sense of what she is taking about. It is basically one simple thing, "be happy even though what you want has not yet manifested and you will have it". She is just expounding that simple message.

See this The 3 Alchemists » Is Abraham Hicks Real or A SCAM?

I'm very grateful that I found Abraham teachings. Law of Attraction basically answers every question that I have in mind.

[Elrond]

Wanted to bump this thread, because I just found a great and heartfelt thread on the Abe forum that people that have tried and weren't succesfull with their material might like.

When Abe's teachings seem not to work - Abraham-Hicks Teachings and You - Forums - Abraham-Hicks Discussion

[LoveFreedom]

I heard so many metaphysical and spiritual teachers say that we must be careful not to shoot messengers but to focus on message only.

Now I know WHY they are saying this

Hilarious how nothing changed in 2000 years.

But I truly appreciated the voice of Themaster and a few other wise souls here. Thanks you!