Do you believe there are no limits for I-M?

[Frans]

Apparently, the most fanatic IM advocates on this forum are young people who believe they can have it all.
The older they get (the more life experience they have), the more they'll realize that there are boundaries in life that they cannot exceed.

In one of his latest blog entries, Steve gave an example of I-M "masters":

Kids are intention-manifestation masters. When they really want something, there’s no mistaking it. They’ll ask for it, they’ll jump up and down, and they’ll drive everyone crazy expressing their desires. And assuming they don’t give up, kids are pretty darned good at manifesting what they want.

I don't know how the Pavlina's raise their children, but in my opinion, parents should always set boundaries and define limits for their children. No trespassing allowed.
Children can only have the things of their desire within these limits (and if they behave themselves ).

Isn't it logical to say that the same principle applies for grown-up "IM masters": that you can only have certain things when they are within your "range"? And maybe, only if you behave yourself?

[renie408]

Originally Posted by Frans

Apparently, the most fanatic IM advocates on this forum are young people who believe they can have it all.
The older they get (the more life experience they have), the more they'll realize that there are boundaries in life that they cannot exceed.

In one of his latest blog entries, Steve gave an example of I-M "masters":



I don't know how the Pavlina's raise their children, but in my opinion, parents should always set boundaries and define limits for their children. No trespassing allowed.
Children can only have the things of their desire within these limits (and if they behave themselves ).

Isn't it logical to say that the same principle applies for grown-up "IM masters": that you can only have certain things when they are within your "range"? And maybe, only if you behave yourself?

Everybody, duck and cover.

[The Universal Call]

No sir, I'll happily take the grenade and swallow it.

Where was I? Right, I have never really understood all English expressions, whatever...

I can see myself that kids could be I-M masters, and in fact it is the parents boundaries that stop the kids from getting what they intend. They intend it, we tell them no, they still intend it and work for it - and if things go their way: they get it. If otherwise, they'll sicken and go do something else. This is true, just as you say Frans. If we would allow children to do anything, from birth itself, and show them that their intentions will manifest - then the deal would probably be otherwise. Just as this thread's topic raises the question, the answer could be that: There are no limits to I-M.
But oh bloody world, not only does the parents play a part in the children's free-go-about-intendin-manifesting; the rest of the world does too, and quite frankly, a child that behaves badly (which would surely occur if parents didn't try to guide them, like you say Frans) will not fit in with the rest of the social planet that we are today. I would actually dare claim that there are limits to manifestations and I would agree to finding it logical that we can only have certain things when they are within our "range".

However, we are now trespassing LOA-territory. Because at early age we "find" the world "as it currently is" we perceive it, and we accept the laws of it. In this sense we have very little to no power to guide our manifestation-abilities to infinity and beyond (being able to manifest whatever!) because at our earliest of age we must come to terms to how "it is", and after that it is very hard to impossible to change it to above said "manifestation-godness".

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Frans

parents should always set boundaries and define limits for their children. No trespassing allowed.

That's how it normally happens in practice. In schools as well as at home. That's why many psychologists assert that kids are all potential geniuses, but few ever get there. Along the way, they lose it as society ingrains limiting beliefs in them.

Isn't it logical to say that the same principle applies for grown-up "IM masters": that you can only have certain things when they are within your "range"?

Yup. The range is approximately defined by the range of your beliefs about what's possible. For if you did not believe something was possible, you would not try to make it happen. If you did not try to make it happen, it probably wouldn't.

Fortunately, a belief is just a constantly repeated thought, and a constantly repeated thought is just a certain pattern of electrical impulses flashing across your brain. It's entirely possible to change that pattern.

[judge45]

If anything, as I get older I find that the law of LoA is more real than any other time in my life.

Napoleon Hill speaks how it's difficult to get your head around the concepts until you are much older.

This stems from the fact that you need a certain lenght of life before you can see the results that you've been manifesting.

Of course some people will never take the repsonsilbilty for their lives, they're always victims no matter what age.

The older they get (the more life experience they have), the more they'll realize that there are boundaries in life that they cannot exceed.

I really believe that's actually wrong because the boundaries only exist in the self limiting mind. Your past doesn't equal your future.

Many people spend their time regreting the past and fearing the future and yet, they only truly exist in the present momnet, the past and future do not exist!

Everyday you wake up, you get another shot at it, like the slate's been wiped clean

HTH

Jeff

[Acting Like Godot]

Can we move mountains? Walk on water? Destroy stars? Travel back in time? How can we analyse such questions in the context of the limits of LOA?

My reply is very simple. For all practical purposes, these questions are meaningless. The reason is that in practice, the limits of LOA are the limits of your beliefs of what's possible.

And those limits probably are reached at far less dramatic points, than things like moving mountains, walking on water etc.

Let's use a quantitative example (numbers make my point clear - although the basic principle applies to non-quantitive examples as well).

Suppose there's a group of people, each earning $2,700 per month. We ask them, "What do you believe, what do you really, really believe, is the very highest salary you could possibly be earning in seven years' time?"

Someone might honestly say "$3,800"

Someone might honestly say "$4,800".

Someone might honestly say "$6,000"

Someone might honestly say "$7,500"

Someone might honestly say "$18,500"

Someone might honestly say "$250,000".

There are no right or wrong answers. We are not concerned with the "rightness" or "wrongness" of the figure. We are concerned with the state of the belief, at that given point in time.

For all practical purposes, at that given point in time, if the person's answer was "$X", then the limit of what IM can do for him is probably around $X.

Of course, people can change their beliefs. That's what IM is all about. However, changing a belief, say, from "$7,500" to "$250,000" is not just a matter of saying the words, "I believe I could be earning "$250,000 a month" in seven years' time.

Instead you have to really believe it.

A person who currently believes that the highest salary he could be earning in 7 years time is $3,200 may really fail, in changing that belief to $10,000 or $18,500 or $250,000. If he has never known of the concept of "limiting belief", he may not even know of any reason to try to change his belief.

Some people have much more unusual, ridiculous or remarkable beliefs than others. For example, they may actually believe that they could become the President; walk on the moon; win an Olympic medal; or become a billionaire.

Normally these are the people who end up actually becoming the President; walking on the moon; winning an Olympic medal or becoming a billionaire.

[Akashic_Librarian]

We are born into greatness. We are conditioned into mediocrity.