Obvious Questions about LoA

[Marc Greve]

I've been using the Law of Attraction to attract some pretty random things to me, both here in New Zealand and back home in Denmark, so I have a pretty firm belief in it.
Or perhaps I should say that my results match the presented version in The Secret and other such sources, but there is a bunch of loose ends I'm hoping we can tie up here on the boards.

• How do stillborn children attract their premature death?
• How do people attract lightning strikes?
• Why does Erin worry so about demons and otherworldly, malevolent entities - they are her own attaractions
• How do you attract your own (seemingly) involuntary death - murder, drowning, car accidents (fatal ones), etc...
• When does the attraction capabilities of new human beings begin? As a fetus? A fertilized egg? Upon birth?
• At which point does a pregnant woman's ability to influence her child cease to exist? (keeping in mind that we, apparently, can't manifest in the reality of others) - when does the Universe (or whatever you wanna call it) distinguish between pregnant woman vs. two individuals?
• Is the intention of one person stronger or weaker than the intention of 1.000? (on this note I recall a study they mention in What the BLEEP do we know? About a group of people mass-intending peace in Washington whereafter the crime rates dropped like 30%)
  In The Secret they mention LoA being the MOST powerful Law of the Universe ; which other laws are there?

How does the factor of time affect your intentions? To my experience, you don't enter a drawing contest, a week later the envelope of win or loss is sent to you and THEN you get to change the physical contents of the envelope. So intending to win the second before you opened it would make you win? What is the relationship between time and attraction?



Many of the common answers to questions of how undesirable things are manifested are usually brushed aside by the old "Well, SUBCONSCIOUSLY you want X". To me that seems a cop out. It might be true in most cases, but I think we should get beyond that point and find a way to ferret out these mysterious "subconscious" processes and get a handle on it.

Abraham-Hicks says "You can not create in other's reality" and this goes nicely with Steve's idea of subjective reality. BUT if that is indeed the case then mass intentions should have no greater power than single intentions, as the universe you're intending stuff in is your own, much like a lucid dream.
And if that is the case and I'm "alone" here, then I'll attract the answer I most want to hear. Looking forward to it

[danas]

This world is very complex, but here are my beliefs based on what Ive learnt from a book called the Zohar written in the 2nd century. Already then it says that the LOA is a science and a law. and that actually we are all creators of our own reality.

How do stillborn children attract their premature death?
The soul that decided to come into the body, came only for the purpose of giving the parents a gift (maybe appreciation of their next child or whatever) in the form of a challenge. that soul finished its purpose for coming here, so he immediately left.
How do people attract lightning strikes?
In general our collective thoughts can influence the weather. But the world has a cycle which works according to concrete laws. such as the moon influences the tide, in summer its hot...

Why does Erin worry so about demons and otherworldly, malevolent entities - they are her own attractions.
Maybe she is so connected to the "other side" that she can more easily attract that, some people have this gift

How do you attract your own (seemingly) involuntary death - murder, drowning, car accidents (fatal ones), etc...
Some people feel they are on the wrong track in life and their soul decides to start over.
Often their death is a gift to close ones who can now grow into better human beings through dealing with this challenge. Their highest soul asked for this challenge in order to grow.
I believe whatever goes around comes around. I believe in past lives (and this is all stated in the Zohar), if you murdered someone in a past life you may be murdered in this life (unless you change your souls DNA by changing your thinking pattern).
When does the attraction capabilities of new human beings begin? As a fetus? A fertilized egg? Upon birth?
the soul is ageless, children attract things of course, but until the age of 13 children their parents can IM for them, for thier health for instance. If a parent complains about a difficult child, the parent can change this by changing his thoughts. Parents thoughts can create their child's reality. After 13 the child now becomes an independent creator, so he has more responsibility.

At which point does a pregnant woman's ability to influence her child cease to exist? (keeping in mind that we, apparently, can't manifest in the reality of others) - when does the Universe (or whatever you wanna call it) distinguish between pregnant woman vs. two individuals?
see above

Is the intention of one person stronger or weaker than the intention of 1.000? (on this note I recall a study they mention in What the BLEEP do we know? About a group of people mass-intending peace in Washington whereafter the crime rates dropped like 30%)
Weaker. 1000 unified people are a very strong source of energy. they can attract and manifest good or evil.

In The Secret they mention LoA being the MOST powerful Law of the Universe ; which other laws are there?
gravity, physics, chemistry, astronomy etc for example. but as they say a mans thoughts can actually change these. e.g influence the weather.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Marc Greve

How do stillborn children attract their premature death?

To understand this better, I suggest you consider PBE, rather than LOA.

How do people attract lightning strikes?

By standing under a tree during a thunderstorm.

Alternatively you could think plenty of thoughts relating to bad luck; personal injury; sudden death; freak events occurring to you; a quick escape from your problems; the dangers of nature etc.

Why does Erin worry so about demons and otherworldly, malevolent entities - they are her own attractions

I had a crappy experience that put me off too. By thinking the wrong way, people do attract things that they don't want - that happens all the time. Applies to otherworldly entities, as well as mundane things like bad haircuts; losing your keys and falling ill.

How do you attract your own (seemingly) involuntary death - murder, drowning, car accidents (fatal ones), etc...

In some ancient Indian schools of thought, the moment and manner of your death is already pre-determined. What happens between your birth and that death is the zone where you can play your game.

When does the attraction capabilities of new human beings begin? As a fetus? A fertilized egg? Upon birth?

Probably the answer would be related to the answers that the Catholics have, about abortion and the precise moment that a foetus has a soul.

Is the intention of one person stronger or weaker than the intention of 1.000?

It depends. For example, your 1,000 persons could have plenty of conflicting intentions, limiting beliefs etc entering into the equation.

[quote] How does the factor of time affect your intentions? To my experience, you don't enter a drawing contest, a week later the envelope of win or loss is sent to you and THEN you get to change the physical contents of the envelope. So intending to win the second before you opened it would
make you win? What is the relationship between time and attraction?[/B]

Haha. This probably has something to do with Schrodinger's Cat. We think that the cat must either be alive, or be dead, but until we make the observation, the cat is actually neither dead nor alive; or if you prefer, simultaneously dead and alive.

By the way, Schrodinger is a quantum physicist, not a New Age quack.

Many of the common answers to questions of how undesirable things are manifested are usually brushed aside by the old "Well, SUBCONSCIOUSLY you want X". To me that seems a cop out. It might be true in most cases, but I think we should get beyond that point and find a way to ferret out these mysterious "subconscious" processes and get a handle on it.[/B][/COLOR]

You can certainly try. Good luck to you:

"Subconscious mind

At the subconscious level, the process and content are out of direct reach of the conscious mind. The subconscious thus thinks and acts independently.

One of Freud's key findings was that much behavior is driven directly from the subconscious mind. This has the alarming consequence that we are largely unable to control our behavior, and in particular that which we would sometimes prefer to avoid.

More recent research has shown that the subconscious mind is probably even more in charge of our actions than even Freud had realized."


[B]And if that is the case and I'm "alone" here, then I'll attract the answer I most want to hear. Looking forward to it

That presumes that there is just one answer that you most want to hear ...

[Marc Greve]

If it's true that mass-intentions are more powerful than individual ones doesn't that rule out the possibility of the LoA working at all? Most people don't beileve in anything slightly "supernatural" (or whatever you want to call it), so when things like The Secret become common knowledge there'll probably be a larger consensus in it just being more new age nonsense and a mass-consciousness is created about it, so that would effectively stop it from working on a global level, no?

[Shaden]

If you believe in subjective reality, then they didn't attract them - you did.

[Marc Greve]

Haha! Good point! ...hmm, all these speculations seem to be biting their own tail in the model of subjective reality.

For one could then ask how is it possible to be surprised in a subjective reality? You'd have to consciously manifest everything and thus be aware of it, ruling out the possibility of surprise.
BUT then you might again argue that you're aware of the concept of surprise and through that, inadvertently, manifest surprises.
But I guess that begs the question - what surprised you to begin with? You'd have to attract that too, but before you'd have any conscious grasp of ANYTHING around you, how is that possible?

Hmm, and why am I attracting so much head-scratching here? Think I'll focus on getting clear answers instead

[Shaden]

I think the most important question to ask ourselves is why, if we believe in subjective reality, were we born believing in objective reality. That's a very spiritual question that people will answer differently. However in answering it we start getting a better understanding of our sense of life outside death.