Rape, Sexual Abuse, Human Trafficking, Mind Control Programming and LOA

[nicbrahms]

Originally Posted by The Unconquered

I think you like posting in this thread about how much you're ignoring us.

You realize you don't sound very convincing, right?

I suggest you re-read my previous post dear. I have posted once and then when I got the message from someone on this thread.

Duh!

[themaster]

Originally Posted by The Unconquered

I'm trying to figure out a way to explain to people what I have learned in an effort to help them, which helps me become a better teacher. I am struggling and am not sure where I am going wrong.

You do realize that the best teacher doesn't teach.. right?

The idea is for people to change.. they have to be open to change.. (for the record your own signature shows your very open to change.. good for you ) if you’re trying to teach someone the rules of reality and there not interested.. you’re wasting your time and theirs.. (well, that's not true either.. no such thing as a waste of time/experience but I mean you won't succeed)

The best way to teach anyone is by the power of your example.. you shine your light, your love as high and as hard as you can by being yourself.. and if people want to learn to be that when they see it in you.. they will make step for themselves.. or ask you (and sometimes they will have a very negative reaction to the like of jealousy.. wanting to be just like you)

The type of teaching I'm offering here is taking peoples statements of limitations and giving them a new perspective on it.. it's all text based (in and part from my example) but you see you'd have to be sure of yourself and your beliefs to do it.. you can't exactly do it half heartily.. or the results = half hearted

Remember the core idea is not to give to others that is a society illusion.. it's to give to yourself and rise yourself up.. and if your helping others.. never let them over capacitate that love for yourself.. for if you do so.. then you will start the negative feelings resentment, hate, anger, annoyance etc.

Originally Posted by The Unconquered

But how do I find the people who are ready? Will they just appear to me, like the appropriate teacher does from the student's perspective?

Well, indeed if you have something to offer by vibrational attraction there is someone READY to receive it.. don't ask the how.. just allow.. follow your excitement every day the best you can.. you will be LEAD to exactly where you need to be! When you need to be there!

Originally Posted by The Unconquered

The commercial I'm linking to is not a parody. It is an actual commercial from a pharmaceutical company for a drug that has been on the market for about 8 years now.

Originally Posted by The Unconquered

I see that while working in an anti-rape/rape crisis organization would make one hyper-aware of rape and perhaps even attract rapists to you since you may become hyper-cautious like Angela said earlier in the thread

If you can understand these concepts then it's not necessary to understand what I meant about "war on drugs" or firemen.. because those were all examples of the same principal..

Again the idea is we’re all attracting all the time in every way.. for you to have a want to do this artwork/job/book/music etc. etc. there is someone out there in vibrational attraction ready to RECIEVE this artwork/job/book/music etc. etc.

The reason why this thread exists is simple.. some people cannot believe for a second that law of attraction is working within the society's belief of MORALITY.. and so they invalidate that choice.. they say "no, that's a lie"

And that's what this thread is about.. I have provided numerous perspectives and ways of looking at it to see this would appear incorrect (we all create our own reality.. so you’re welcome to believe what you believe.. there is no wrong way to be!)

I will say that since you looked at the war on drugs and firemen thing from a ACTION 3rd dimension perspective this is not what I was talking about at all.. I was talking about what they were thinking “law of attraction” defined again

You get what you think about

So I say again.. you cannot be a fireman and sit in a fire station and think all day about “stopping fires, and fighting fires, and bravery and smoke insulation.. and ohh I wonder if this equipment could help here.. and I wonder if I designed equipment this way it would save lives” you cannot think that and not ATTRACT IT.. fire/your job is created for you.. by your thoughts on fire..

[Mounds]

Originally Posted by themaster

So I say again.. you cannot be a fireman and sit in a fire station and think all day about “stopping fires, and fighting fires, and bravery and smoke insulation.. and ohh I wonder if this equipment could help here.. and I wonder if I designed equipment this way it would save lives” you cannot think that and not ATTRACT IT.. fire/your job is created for you.. by your thoughts on fire..

Hi themaster,

I'm not saying that your theory is wrong but I think it's unlikely. The above quote seems to be spoken with some serious conviction. Now let me give you my personal experience.
I did a two week, 24-hour-a-day practicum in a town where the EMS doubled as the firefighters. That meant that if there was a fire call, I would be on that call. I thought about it all day long, about experiencing the thrill of fighting a fire, telling my buddies back home about it. Two weeks went by and not a single fire. Nothing.
In fact, out of my 140+ EMS calls during those two weeks, only one was a true emergency. Most of the time it was a drunk who wanted a ride to town. Or someone faking a seizure to get out of jail. Another was a 400lb diabetic that needed frequent hospital trips for dialysis. That's the reality of these jobs. Most of the time, you don't do anything that has to do with your job. You clean the hall, sleep, cook, watch TV. 90% of firefighter calls (at least when I went to school) are for EMS backup. A real fire is rare.
My two cents!

[themaster]

That's the reality of reality you mean.. I believe that's just a belief..

There is a belief hidden in our collective reality that the job is not that great.. it's just a job.. and it's really kind of borring.. I would honestly call that your belief..

I won't say that I'm not wrong but understand that this is a very well orchestrated play and that the timing for these fires/events/whatever is put succinctly and perfectly into the play for multiple purposes.. understand that a fire call isn't just created for the fireman.. it serves dual purpose for this person.. and triple purpose for this purpose.. this play on earth is a orchestration.. just cause you didn't see it in your brief stint doesn't mean it isn't so

I am not invalidating your experience.. just giving you another perspective to look at it with

I mean honestly when you were hanging out at the fire station or whatever.. did you honestly think something was going to happen?

Because this is where beliefs come into play in anything.. you could work at a fire station for 1 years time think all the thoughts we talked about here.. but if you BELIEVE that there just are no fires anymore.. you would get exactly that.. and in between your thoughts of romactasizing you would re-inforce that belief daily with.. ahh "there's no fire today, so it's true"

Originally Posted by Mounds

That's the reality of these jobs. Most of the time, you don't do anything that has to do with your job. You clean the hall, sleep, cook, watch TV. 90% of firefighter calls (at least when I went to school) are for EMS backup. A real fire is rare.

And this is your belief right here..

Can you feel the negative charge of it?? the lack?? can you feel it?

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by themaster

You get what you think about

And then we have all these explanations for why people don't get what they think about, or get what they don't think about.

Like this:

I mean honestly when you were hanging out at the fire station or whatever.. did you honestly think something was going to happen?

Now it's not enough if we think about it all the livelong day. Now we have to "honestly think something is going to happen."

When Mounds comes back and says yes, he honestly thought something was going to happen, what's the next explanation beyond that for why it didn't occur?

[themaster]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

And then we have all these explanations for why people don't get what they think about, or get what they don't think about.

And we call these things beliefs and definitions.. and not understanding what your planning for yourself..

Such a highly skeptical statement.. I just don't get the reserve/negative/judgment attitude.. been here 3-4 years and woosh it's like were racing and you rabbits were all out there and doing well and them the slow tortoise picked up speed crossed the finish line.. and is looking back going.. “what's wrong you rabbits..?? stop smelling you’re a**es ”

Originally Posted by moonrambler

Now it's not enough if we think about it all the livelong day. Now we have to "honestly think something is going to happen."

No, "believe something is going to happen"

Originally Posted by moonrambler

When Mounds comes back and says yes, he honestly thought something was going to happen, what's the next explanation beyond that for why it didn't occur?

There is no explanation.. validate his belief and leave him to his problems.. or perhaps suggest a small stepping stone approach too looking at it from a different way..

Moon let's stop talking about mounds for a minute.. do you feel what your saying here?? do you feel the tinge of negative?? lack? I can feel it in your words.. I can feel perhaps via other ways.. why do you insist on not being open?

Can't you believe anything is possible? That there is a way to understand reality? That everyone’s truth can be seen as true? That there is no wrong way to be?

I think your last question.. brings up a very good point here.. it is not my JOB to help those of you who have problems to sort out... your problem.. with that problem.. the idea is we all have MUCK stuck to us.. ideas, limitations, negativity that we refuse to look at it.. we say it's not a part of me.. we invalidate it..

It's not my job to fix those things for you!!! Only you can fix those things for yourself!! I am merely here to offer my example of having it fixed and ways to look at it differently.. your beliefs and your definitions and your problems with yourself.. were created in the self and they have to be WORKED out in the SELF.

I can't do it for you.. and the only way I can do it is.. if you let me.. you use me as a "permission slip" and here is a case where thus far I can't act as that "permission slip" because that's the choice of the one lashing out

Your statement isn't just about lack here moon.. it's also a very good example of what I was talking about above with.. The Unconquered.. jealousy at seeing someone so happy and so full of light and life and with so many answers and pushing on it negatively.. cause you want that!!!

Could you admit that you might want to release yourself from these feelings and limitations?

Could you admit that you might just want to be just a little.. like me?? just a little?

I'm not trying to create a ego.. me, me, me thread but I just wish to point out what I observe in this thread by so few statements and then again I can be wrong.. and I fully admit it

[Mounds]

I mean honestly when you were hanging out at the fire station or whatever.. did you honestly think something was going to happen?

Hell ya I thought something was going to happen! And things did happen. Just nothing close to what I expected.

And this is your belief right here..

It's not an unsubstantiated belief. Talk to these people. Find out for yourself. Get your EMR certificate (it's easy) and hang out in a hall. Become a volunteer firefighter. Go for a ride along. 9/10 times you will get called as backup for the medics.

Can you feel the negative charge of it?? the lack?? can you feel it?

Nope. I'm actually in a very good positive mood

There is no explanation.. validate his belief and leave him to his problems.. or perhaps suggest a small stepping stone approach too looking at it from a different way..

There's no problem here! I'm not desperate to understand why bad things happen to good people or anything. I'm not confused and lost in a world of consequences and things just happening to me. I simply didn't agree that firefighters create fires. Then I showed you my experience, which appears to be promptly rejected and means I have a problem. Oh well, I'm happy in my unconscious rut. Sorry for trying to drag you into it master.

-Tim

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Mounds

Hell ya I thought something was going to happen! And things did happen. Just nothing close to what I expected.

Isn't that usually the better way.. something you didn't expect?

When you joined your firefighter unit did you join under the idea of experiencing the real firefighter way.. or were your romanticizing the ideas before you joined?

Originally Posted by Mounds

It's not an unsubstantiated belief. Talk to these people. Find out for yourself. Get your EMR certificate (it's easy) and hang out in a hall. Become a volunteer firefighter. Go for a ride along. 9/10 times you will get called as backup for the medics.

I don't need too.. I mean I validate your experience.. don't we already have a belief in society that movies don't = reality..?? aka you weren't expecting it to be like say the movie "Backdraft"?

Originally Posted by Mounds

Nope. I'm actually in a very good positive mood

Okay, my mistake.. but you don't see this as a belief?

(for the record.. my question/statement was more about how you were feeling when you wrote this)

Originally Posted by Mounds

That's the reality of these jobs. Most of the time, you don't do anything that has to do with your job. You clean the hall, sleep, cook, watch TV. 90% of firefighter calls (at least when I went to school) are for EMS backup. A real fire is rare.

Originally Posted by Mounds

There's no problem here! I'm not desperate to understand why bad things happen to good people or anything. I'm not confused and lost in a world of consequences and things just happening to me. I simply didn't agree that firefighters create fires. Then I showed you my experience, which appears to be promptly rejected and means I have a problem. Oh well, I'm happy in my unconscious rut. Sorry for trying to drag you into it master.

Yes, that was very naughty of you

Your experience is not rejected.. I'm just saying.. there are a billion ways to interact and be with firefighters to me your experience was like 0.000000000000000000000001% of the possibilities out there..

Would you say that.. if that is the case? Then there might be possible ways for firefighters to create fire? In fact let's call our friend google into this equation.. the simple search terms should be firefighter that has fought over 100 fires?

This was the best I found in under 5 minutes.. now it doesn't give stats on how many fires he's fought.. but it does give a idea of the amount of work done.. and perhaps creation..?

State's most experienced firefighter retires - ABC South East SA - Australian Broadcasting Corporation

I know my truths to be true.. I don't need to prove them to anyone else or have them validated.. I just suggest Mounds that your experience is 1 of a hundred billion and I'm not sure you got the full taste

This calls into me one more probing question.. since your basically saying "go join the firefighters and you'll see your experience will be mine" are you saying that experience dictates the way reality is created?

Basically are you saying that if I go help the firefighters just like you I won't experience any fun or thrilling help.. ? I'll just sit around and handle domestic stuff and yawn my way through it..?

Or do you believe it's possible for me to join and have a completely different experience.. one in line with what I create and allow?

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by themaster

And we call these things beliefs and definitions.. and not understanding what your planning for yourself..

Sure. You post in 7-point type that "YOU GET WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT" and then it turns out that's not how it really is. There's beliefs, definitions, not understanding your planning, and so on. Not just "YOU GET WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT."

No, "believe something is going to happen"

Dude, I quoted you directly. You said "honestly think," not "believe." That still does not equate "YOU GET WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT." Now it's "YOU GET WHAT YOU BELIEVE."

I think your last question.. brings up a very good point here.. it is not my JOB to help those of you who have problems to sort out... your problem.. with that problem.. the idea is we all have MUCK stuck to us.. ideas, limitations, negativity that we refuse to look at it.. we say it's not a part of me.. we invalidate it..

Now it's "YOU GET WHAT YOU BELIEVE except when there is muck, ideas, limitations and negativity," so apparently you only BELIEVE you believe but you don't really BELIEVE. Ack.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

Sure. You post in 7-point type that "YOU GET WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT" and then it turns out that's not how it really is. There's beliefs, definitions, not understanding your planning, and so on. Not just "YOU GET WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT."



Dude, I quoted you directly. You said "honestly think," not "believe." That still does not equate "YOU GET WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT." Now it's "YOU GET WHAT YOU BELIEVE."



Now it's "YOU GET WHAT YOU BELIEVE except when there is muck, ideas, limitations and negativity," so apparently you only BELIEVE you believe but you don't really BELIEVE. Ack.

My bad.. I got the rules to reality wrong.. I'm going to go sit in the corner and pout.. lol

What is this fascination with misanthropic statements..?? you do get what you think about.. that's never changed.. but if LOA were so EASY what would be the point of these boards huh??

Why would so many people run around and scream.. "it's not working.. this is all a lie, I hate you.. aka I hate myself"??

Next time I say "You get what you think about" I'll be sure to say.. read the fine print! Please read clauses a-31 through b-52 in your contract to make sure you understand how you get what you think about works

In fact please call the law offices of So and So just to make sure we can get all that legal jargon talk in there to make it all the more confusing and limiting..

Let's be clear LOA the idea is EASY and it's not.. to put it bluntly "some assembly required" a little work and a little opening up here.. my number 1 rule for anyone into LOA is to be a optimist.. from a viewpoint of a optimist all things are possible.. and there is no nitpicking about rules or slightly or probably not slightly incorrect statements.. there just is anything is possible!

Your own statements and your own skepticism are your own creation of limitation.. skeptics create skepticism in anything they look at.. people with a LACK viewpoint create lack in anything they look at it.. unless.. they turn that lack into a positive perspective.. so you sit in your corner and nitpick about how it isn't exactly "you get what you think about" meanwhile I'm going to go off over here creating that which I want

I don't understand you moon.. you've been on this board for what obviously 2 years + you've heard these ideas?? What is it you don't get about them?? What is it you invalidate about them?

Why doesn't it fit into your model of the universe? Why can't you be open about them? Is your point here just a statement of "it's not that easy" alright I'll agree with you..

It's not that easy..

It's only as difficult as you MAKE IT!

Meaning it can be easy.. for some people.. who don't make it difficult..

[The Unconquered]

Originally Posted by nicbrahms

I suggest you re-read my previous post dear. I have posted once and then when I got the message from someone on this thread.

Duh!

I read it.

[garentee]

You get what you think about

If you get what you think about, how come it is that 90 % or more of what we worry about never comes to pass? Just saying..

[Mounds]

Hence why I say it's an unlikely theory.

[Acting Like Godot]

The only thing that surprises me is how some folks (who aren't exactly new to the LOA anymore) still haven't figured it out.

Your minds are complex, people. You don't think isolated thoughts. Each of your thoughts is linked to an entire system of thoughts.

For example, if you are a member of an anti-crime committee, and heavily involved, you don't necessarily attract a crime to yourself!

Instead you could be attracting:

- more activities as a committee member
- the experience of arranging meetings; planning events; planning budgets
- more interactions with people in your community
- more information about crime
- lessons in teamwork, cooperation
- more ideas about how to prevent crime
- more interaction with people interested in promoting a safe, secure community
- more encounters with people who have been victims of crime
- more encounters with police officers and such
- the opportunity to develop your abilities in planning, organising, leading, motivating, coordinating, managing, communicating .... by virtue of having to work in a committee
- an invitation to visit a rehabilitation center for criminals
- news from other cities or countries about how they tackle crime
- more opportunities to learn how to promote public awareness about anything
- an unexpected invitation to learn martial arts as self-defence

Etc etc. In other words.

You Always Get What You Think About

Of course, people often do not know what they are thinking about! Therefore they cannot see the relationship between their thoughts and their external reality.

[Acting Like Godot]

Incidentally as I have mentioned before, I used to be a deputy public prosecutor and I spent a lot of time thinking about crime.

I never became a crime victim, but I did attract a steady series of experiences involving criminals, policemen, victims, judges, defence lawyers, trips to the prison, trips to the police station, photographs of crime scenes etc etc.

[moonrambler]

Can I make a leap here and postulate that a lot of teenage boys think about sex more than half of their waking life and some of their sleeping life as well, even though a lot of them are not getting any whatsoever

[Acting Like Godot]

And I bet you that everyone who does actually have a colourful, exotic or unusual sex life .... DOES indeed have colourful, exotic or unusual thoughts about sex.

You don't just accidentally find yourself excitedly penetrating a big dog from an advanced yoga asana position, while simultaneously being tickled by two naked porn stars armed with feathers; candles; leather straps; whips and blindfolds.

If such a thing does happen, I assure you that lots of colourful, exotic or unusual thoughts preceded the occurrence of such an event.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by garentee

If you get what you think about, how come it is that 90 % or more of what we worry about never comes to pass? Just saying..

BELIEFS

I'll give one example.. this is from abraham.. if you go into a horror movie and see a rape or scary serial killer.. you don't come out of the horror movie and expect to be attacked.. why?

Cause you treat it as make believe.. you say that isn't real.. that never happens.. thus you get exactly what your belief reinforces..

You know by the way.. the universe does have a cancel button.. you can change your mind yah know..?? that's why with time + beliefs/definitions and that old crazy ego can = manifestation delayed/changed..

Nice example ALG (the crime one )

[Dharma]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

And then we have all these explanations for why people don't get what they think about, or get what they don't think about.

Originally Posted by moonrambler

Can I make a leap here and postulate that a lot of teenage boys think about sex more than half of their waking life and some of their sleeping life as well, even though a lot of them are not getting any whatsoever

moonrambler, thoughts are like poop, they're the far-end of the manifestation. Too far out to really see what went into the manifestation to begin with. It's best to focus on and develop a connection to the end that selects the food (the chooser; Self), rather than the end that has nothing to do with the choices. Yes, the pooper likes to think it chooses the food, brags about choosing the right food, and stays in power though fear of eating the wrong food, but the truth is, it's just a pooper.

Realizing that thought doesn't direct your life doesn't really change anything, you have to stop eating your poop to open up some space for something new to come in. And it's difficult because the denial that Self uses is a slithery snake. Anytime you use logic or polarity you're eating your poop. Realize, "oh I'm making my thoughts the director of reality again", then stop and let your choices and possibilities expand and drop the limiting thoughts. You may even laugh because the things we think about and think are true can be preposterous.

Here's what teenage boys eat:
- I'm getting sex
- I pretend I don't get sex.
- and I'll forget that I'm pretending that I don't get sex so it looks like my manifestation isn't there

[Angela]

Dharma, you crack me up. And I don't usually laugh at scatological humor.

[The Unconquered]

Originally Posted by themaster

You do realize that the best teacher doesn't teach.. right?

Actually, I forgot. Probably because I was very tired when I wrote that this morning

Originally Posted by themaster

Well, indeed if you have something to offer by vibrational attraction there is someone READY to receive it.. don't ask the how.. just allow.. follow your excitement every day the best you can.. you will be LEAD to exactly where you need to be! When you need to be there!

<snip>

Again the idea is we’re all attracting all the time in every way.. for you to have a want to do this artwork/job/book/music etc. etc. there is someone out there in vibrational attraction ready to RECIEVE this artwork/job/book/music etc. etc.

I suddenly have these urges to sing, act, write, perform, create visual art, be an athlete -- omg, I'm turning ESFP. Actually, who cares? That's really cool. I never wanted to do those things before -- probably because I never thought I really could. But now, I'm like, why the f--- not? I'm the only one in my way. It's nice to get validation that people actually want to know what I've learned.

Originally Posted by themaster

The reason why this thread exists is simple.. some people cannot believe for a second that law of attraction is working within the society's belief of MORALITY.. and so they invalidate that choice.. they say "no, that's a lie"

Yeah, karma/cause and effect/LOA does not give a darn about morality or justice. It doesn't operate within morality. It's completely amoral: The rain falls on the good and the bad alike.

Originally Posted by themaster

I will say that since you looked at the war on drugs and firemen thing from a ACTION 3rd dimension perspective this is not what I was talking about at all.. I was talking about what they were thinking “law of attraction” defined again

You get what you think about [shrunk to save space]

Yeah, you're not talking about "Oh, I'm a fireman, so fires will magically spring up and it will be as dramatic as Backdraft every night" (loved that movie, though). You're talking about a worldview. Sort of like those studies that show that Americans who watch the nightly news every night feel the world is a much more violent, corrupt place than it actually is. They repel happier, more realistic people and attract other miserable people, thus reinforcing their worldview. There's a reason why "Misery loves company" is a cliche -- there's a lot of truth to it.

[The Unconquered]

Originally Posted by ellie

Personally I believe all this talk about people and children attracting this is absolute crap. FULL STOP.

I can be a follower to LOA to a certain extent, but attracting rape...no way.

Until you go through something like this, I think it's an insult and also embarrassing to comment about this topic. Personally if you choose to switch off to reality that's fine, but to pass judgement someone who has been raped and claim you know the answers is just ridiculous.

I actually worry that people that believe this crap, are so detached from reality that it's not funny.

Just stand back and really listen to what you are all saying.

At the end of the day daj, you know what is right and wrong in your heart. No one should influence your beliefs, believe in yourself and "your truth".

I can't believe I missed this earlier. To the folks who were saying that I was imagining things when I picked up the vibe that people were interpreting attracting rape = deserving rape that I was seeing things that just weren't there -- uh, explain what I just quoted and bolded.

Looks like I don't have to get my eyes checked after all.

[The Unconquered]

Originally Posted by blossom

I have no problem with people choosing to believe in reincarnation or other such things for the purpose of gaining comfort and solace for their own past traumas.

No, I don't believe it for comfort and solace. I believe it because I believe it's real -- it makes a lot of sense to me. The comfort is simply icing on the cake.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by The Unconquered

No, I don't believe it for comfort and solace. I believe it because I believe it's real -- it makes a lot of sense to me. The comfort is simply icing on the cake.

I don't understand how people can even go around and say "reincarnation" is not real.. there's so much evidence from PEOPLE supporting it.. that your basically saying..

"Their all liars"

And I don't believe in invalidating anyone's truth.. my teacher is teaching me to access my past lives it's going okay.. hopefully it will get better..

But then again lots and lots of people invalidate ufo's, ghosts, yeti and other weird subjects given to "new age" in the book section.. that it should be no surprise cause once again it's the same idea.. all these people who claim these experience are called "liars" by invalidators..

I have always felt that my past lives are active in my personality already.. a lot of my knowledge seems to be from certain lifetimes

[ellie]

Originally Posted by The Unconquered

I can't believe I missed this earlier. To the folks who were saying that I was imagining things when I picked up the vibe that people were interpreting attracting rape = deserving rape that I was seeing things that just weren't there -- uh, explain what I just quoted and bolded.

Looks like I don't have to get my eyes checked after all.

eh? My quote above was not saying that at all, that attracting rape = deserving rape????

I meant I don't believe a child would put out vibes that would attract a predator to him or her.

So for example a man on the street breaks into a house and goes to a babies room and decides to rape the baby. I don't belive the baby set off vibes to the perpetrator somewhere in the ether, so that he decided to choose that house.

Such is the same concept of actual sexual molestation.. a lot of people don’t feel BAD after CHILD sexual molestation.. it’s actually after society imprints them with their belief system and ideas.. that they start to think they’ve been wronged.. it’s hours of careful talking and coaching and “did he hurt you” “was it a bad owwie?” etc.

Master a young child does not have the capactiy to know what is right or wrong. Someone raping a young child is weak, and they play on a child's weakness in knowing that they will not know what is right or wrong? The fact the matter is a young child doesn't really know how to consent to something that is there own personal decision.

Are you a rapist? Because all this sounds like how a rapist would justify his own actions?

[themaster]

Are you a rapist? Because all this sounds like how a rapist would justify his own actions?

Ohh.. judging me already, ehh?.. well, just think of me as evil than.. no biggie.. I don't care

I've probably raped in a past life.. I've certainly considered it in this one and nope I haven't tried it in this one, yet..

Can I ask you a question or two.. are you a condemner?

I mean do you go around meet your fellow man in a forum or on the street and spit on them and say "evil"??

Do you go around and burn devils and witches cause there evil?

Because that's the question you really asked me.. "you asked me if I was evil?".. and I point blank told you.. maybe.. and or in truth I don't consider myself that way.. but you might.. cause you’re a Judger! So judge me.. judger! tell me how wrong I am.. how bad I am.. just how much I don't measure up to your standards.. but here's the thing judger..

Judge someone.. and you judge yourself.. condemn someone and you condemn yourself

Originally Posted by ellie

I meant I don't believe a child would put out vibes that would attract a predator to him or her.

So for example a man on the street breaks into a house and goes to a baby’s room and decides to rape the baby. I don't believe the baby set off vibes to the perpetrator somewhere in the ether, so that he decided to choose that house.

You could be right about this.. but also wrong.. you see there are no accidents.. who we drive with on the road or meet on the street are meant to be there for us.. everything is a giant orchestration, so you know.. a rapist who wants a child.. lands the exact one that’s made available to him.. they are perfect vibrational match to what they want..

This whole planet is just enacting one big play.. one big orchestration as I said.. the child that the perpetrator gets is no accident.. no such thing as a accident in any circumstance!

Originally Posted by ellie

Master a young child does not have the capacity to know what is right or wrong.

Isn't that good for them than..?? maybe you should tell them then..?? after all that's why we make a big deal about all these rapes.. adults telling children.. it's not even the child that usually makes the BIG DEAL.. it's the adult!

Who is in more connection, more love, more joy??

Children

Who is in more denial, disconnection, lack, judgment?

Adults

Every time! (unless a child is affected by a adults vibration)

Originally Posted by ellie

Master a young child does not have the capactiy to know what is right or wrong. Someone raping a young child is weak, and they play on a child's weakness in knowing that they will not know what is right or wrong? The fact the matter is a young child doesn't really know how to consent to something that is their own personal decision.

Children don't know again what's right or wrong.. till us PARENTS tell them.. do you know why there not born with built-in right and wrong..?? (cause it's possible ) it's cause we tell them what is right and wrong.. we take them from non-judgmental loving people.. to Judgmental lack of love people like yourself.. because when you’re in a state of judgment.. you ain't in love and you ain't in connection..

You know what's funny here is.. you think the child is harmed in some way, in this.. but it's not.. it goes right back to "goo goo and gah gah" and will be just fine.. it won't think a moment of nasty thoughts or feel disconnected in any way.. the only people that ever do that are adults.. that tell them too.. and more then that, they can teach the child to feel this way.. it's great to feel negative isn't it..??

It's great to go to psychiatrist and say.. doc I was molested.. I just feel awful.. I mean there was nothing I could do I was "3 months" old but now I can't eat.. sleep.. I keep seeing him he's haunting me.. my mommy says he messed me up real bad..

And all this crap I just described is not the child's crap.. it's actually the parent’s crap.. telling them how to feel etc. and the child obeys/acquiesces and eventually feels the pain the parents thinks they should..

You do realize how laughable the description of a 3 month old being haunted by a rapist is when there older.. don't you..?? it's beyond funny but this is what we do to the 5-10+ year olds we find and find out they've been abused!! (or as happens a lot.. make up abuse.. cause sometimes it's all make believe like the 80's childcare scare)

[The Unconquered]

Originally Posted by ellie

eh? My quote above was not saying that at all, that attracting rape = deserving rape????

I meant I don't believe a child would put out vibes that would attract a predator to him or her.

Well, you said in that post I quoted that telling someone they attracted a rape is passing judgment on the person who was raped, and that is "an insult" because obviously the judger had never been raped himself or herself. Sorry if I misinterpreted, but what else was I supposed to conclude if saying attracting rape is passing a judgment of the victim? What other judgment of the victim is being made there, since the judgment isn't good and is made from ignorance?

Originally Posted by ellie

So for example a man on the street breaks into a house and goes to a babies room and decides to rape the baby. I don't belive the baby set off vibes to the perpetrator somewhere in the ether, so that he decided to choose that house.

By the way, the scenario you present is actually quite rare. The rapist of the baby would most likely be a relative of the baby. Of course, I've been molested -- and also nearly the victim of predator kidnapping twice -- and have studied the the topic of sexual abuse extensively, so I'm not "detached from reality" .

Presuming that your scenario actually occurred: What if before the baby was born, it decided that it wanted to help children who faced sexual abuse from a young age, and it figured that the best way it could gain credibility from others and empathy for the situation is to have been raped itself? Perhaps it chose the path in advance because it was so incredibly compassionate to the victims of the injustice of rape that it wanted to show others that even that injustice could be transcended. To me, that's a way more empowering way to look at why such travesties occur. My interpretation also implies that perhaps the people who attracted crimes like rape to themselves did not do it because they are victims, but because they are heroes. I prefer to look at Erin Pavlina that way. Saying that wonderful, compassionate folk like Erin couldn't have possibly attracted the experience invalidates why it may have actually happened and what part of their purpose in life is now.

So, as a person who has gone through all sorts of abuse, including sexual, I'm actually rather confused by the way you say that attracting the abuse is passing judgment on someone like me. From my perspective, you might think you're being all sensitive and compassionate, but it comes across that you're the one actually passing judgment on me: To me, you're judging that no such good could come from abuse, when actually, abuse was the catalyst that set me free. Talk about ignorance.

[The Unconquered]

Originally Posted by themaster

I don't understand how people can even go around and say "reincarnation" is not real.. there's so much evidence from PEOPLE supporting it.. that your basically saying..

"Their all liars"

Yeah, like as if I was saying I believed in the stork, Santa Claus, and the Easter Bunny, since I'm believing those thoughts to get comfort and solace and not because I actually think reincarnation/rebirth is real. (I'm on the fence on whether Hinduism or Buddhism is more right about the thing.)

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by The Unconquered

Yeah, you're not talking about "Oh, I'm a fireman, so fires will magically spring up and it will be as dramatic as Backdraft every night" (loved that movie, though). You're talking about a worldview.

The original quote from pages back was about how developing an anti-rape committee would lead to more rapes occurring in the world. Then there was a differing idea that it would lead to rapes occurring more powerfully in the individual's reality.

When a guy sits in with firefighters for 2 weeks and he's all excited about seeing fires put out and thinking about fires for days on end, you'd think he would attract some fires. You'd think those fires would be created to match his vibration or at least he'd have put himself in a situation where fires were about to occur so he could watch some firefighting action. You wouldn't think he'd get not much of anything at all.

This thread is uncomfortable in many ways, and I've found the varying responses of forum members interesting. Can I just point out how some people are so steady and calm and unruffled by any of this discussion, while others really get their buttons pushed, and others can hardly stand it that the topic is even up here. What does that mean?

I'm not sure what the motivation is of all the skeptics who come to this forum apparently solely to disagree with the idea of the LoA. One guy, for instance, pretty much stated flat-out that he was on a mission to save everyone from their foolish ideas and the consequences. For me, I got involved in all this because I was looking for solutions to problems. In the long run, there are too many aspects of this that just don't resonate with me. It's like I kept forcing myself to believe in the whole thing, even though believing in it was hard. I think it's a bit too harsh of a philosophy for me to handle.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

In the long run, there are too many aspects of this that just don't resonate with me. It's like I kept forcing myself to believe in the whole thing, even though believing in it was hard. I think it's a bit too harsh of a philosophy for me to handle.

I thought you had moved on? What are you still doing here?

I'm teasing, moonrambler, I don't think you're wrong to keep discussing this subject. But I wonder what's going on for you in it -- I know you're not doing what so many of the naysayers do (saving us from bad ideas, saving our souls, making others wrong, etc.) ..... you're sort of an anomaly, kind of straddling the worlds of resisters and buyers-in, and I'm interested in what you're getting out of it. I think that maybe because I'm a straddler, too, except I lean the other way.

Maybe I'm looking in the mirror! I'm not quite understanding what I'm seeing, though, and that's why I so enjoy talking to you.