Ormus- the elixir of life, the philosopher's stone.

[blossom]

oo ooh...I'm happy to hear about this effect on plants. I really want to see what it can do for gardenias? I've had such a terrible time trying to get them to bloom in the past, and Salvia...forget it! Salvia must be the most ridiculously difficult plant to grow. I have never heard of anyone actually successfully cultivating it, that didn't live in the forest or somewhere where it would normally grow! I can't wait to see if anything changes?

Originally Posted by robrave

I think the eBay seller is named moringaseedlings.com .He is the one who has a full moon avatar.

I wanted to order from him but I'm not sure if it would arrive safely here in my country. The customs here are annoying. And I've seen him selling his method so that I can do it myself but I'm not sure if the material he is talking about can also be found in my location.

I've been thinking of making an experiment with Ormus on plants. Put ormus on one plant and just ordinary water on the other. Wanna see how they would grow differently if ever. I've read somewhere that Ormus caused insane effect on flowering plants.

[nicbrahms]

Okay

drastic change here, I must have consumed 2 litres of ormus in the space of 4 days I would say, also meditated with morningseedlings ormus on my forehead each night.

I have felt blissed out and very calm and elevated, felt no need to do anything, just sit and watch life drift by. So anyway it has no worn off and whereas I am still inherently calm and chilled and of course taking everything in life with a pinch of salt, I have now regained my usual feisty demeanor.

It was quite astonishing, you come out the other end and feel as though you have grown, but your personality suddenly exerts itself as if to say, you have kept me under wraps for too long. So I have had a day of being quite feisty and now I am at a good equilibrium.

I have had a breakthrough today aswell with something I was blocking, I am very pleased about that. Then that is the nature of ormus.

I am going to continue taking mine and see what develops next. Oh also I wanted to add, that reality does not seem so firm now, it is becoming more apparent in its illusion. Nothing seems as solid as it once did, I reckon sooner or later I will have a breakthrough and see the energy that comprises reality. I have also noticed that my right hemisphere is always buzzing, only way to decribe it really. This is great.

I am enjoying the entire return to ormus, it has been better than ever. Fab stuff.

Toodles

[robrave]

Wouldn't you get addicted if you consume that much? I've heard Ormus is soo powerful.

Originally Posted by nicbrahms

Okay

drastic change here, I must have consumed 2 litres of ormus in the space of 4 days I would say, also meditated with morningseedlings ormus on my forehead each night.

I have felt blissed out and very calm and elevated, felt no need to do anything, just sit and watch life drift by. So anyway it has no worn off and whereas I am still inherently calm and chilled and of course taking everything in life with a pinch of salt, I have now regained my usual feisty demeanor.

It was quite astonishing, you come out the other end and feel as though you have grown, but your personality suddenly exerts itself as if to say, you have kept me under wraps for too long. So I have had a day of being quite feisty and now I am at a good equilibrium.

I have had a breakthrough today aswell with something I was blocking, I am very pleased about that. Then that is the nature of ormus.

I am going to continue taking mine and see what develops next. Oh also I wanted to add, that reality does not seem so firm now, it is becoming more apparent in its illusion. Nothing seems as solid as it once did, I reckon sooner or later I will have a breakthrough and see the energy that comprises reality. I have also noticed that my right hemisphere is always buzzing, only way to decribe it really. This is great.

I am enjoying the entire return to ormus, it has been better than ever. Fab stuff.

Toodles

[nicbrahms]

Originally Posted by robrave

Wouldn't you get addicted if you consume that much? I've heard Ormus is soo powerful.

Only if you think you can, I don't believe I can, for one it tastes like crap, second I can't keep having the squirts, going through bog roll like you wouldn't believe.

Toodles

[Painter]

I have a new experience to report. Late last night I had a painful cleansing in a way. I did experience some emotional pain in the process. I began working through memories from the worst part of my life. The part that I would change if I could. The worst thing that ever happened to me personally. A one year marriage to an abuser that happened when I was only 19. So it has been 28 years and I thought I was past it. But I wasn't done with my questions as to why this happened to me.

For the first few minutes the emotional pain was as great as it was then. After that I was able to look at it from a distance and I saw many reasons why it happened and what this bad experience did and is still doing to hurt my growth. It has been the biggest source of all anger, hurt, and pain for me over the years. Something most people in my life have never experienced. Which left me so alone in it.

I was able to understand why my family partly blamed me for not telling them from the start. They never experienced abuse like this so while I had their support, I was never able to make them understand why I kept it a secret from them during that time. Now I know its because they just didn't want to accept someone had done this to their little girl, sister, grandaugther,etc. I saw my father crying for me. I never knew that happened. I saw my mothers angry towards my ex too. Which I also never felt at the time. These emotions from my parents were never expressed to me then. Instead I was blamed for it because I didn't leave the first time my ex did this. While I wish in some ways my family could understand, I know it would take being abused themshelves to really understand. So in another way I'm so grateful they don't. After accepting what I can not change about it, I was able to move on and get past it.

I was able to see how this held me back from my growth for many years in my 20's. It was as if a huge dark cloud was stuck over my head by a chain for those years. Then I saw how the pain has left me year after year once I faced it. I saw red lines coming from my heart and my head. They would flow out into nothingness or towards my ex. I then realized that I had been sending anger and pain to him all this time. While on one level I believe he deserves tons of pain because he's done it to every woman hes been with since, on the other level I saw his pain and why he was who he was. I didn't feel sorry for him but I did begin to understand the reasons for his mean nature.

I would like to care about what happens to him because I don't want him to continue hurting himself and others. But for some reason I just felt that just as I pay for the bad I have done, he must do the same. And because he is still an abuser, his energy is still so ugly and tainted. While my life and the energy I have created have taken me down a different path. A path that helped me raise my children and live in a better way under a better light.

So what I have gathered from this is that I made the right choices about many things I wasn't sure about. That I have done exactly what I thought was best ever since getting free from his horrible grasp. He on the other hand continued to travel down the path of a controlling abusive a**. The difference in our lives is huge. I have been blessed he has lost everything. I find no pleasure in the fact that his life is bad, but I do understand his karma in the issue now. And why it took me all the years of my 20's to start my life again.

[nicbrahms]

Originally Posted by Painter

I have a new experience to report. Late last night I had a painful cleansing in a way. I did experience some emotional pain in the process. I began working through memories from the worst part of my life. The part that I would change if I could. The worst thing that ever happened to me personally. A one year marriage to an abuser that happened when I was only 19. So it has been 28 years and I thought I was past it. But I wasn't done with my questions as to why this happened to me.

For the first few minutes the emotional pain was as great as it was then. After that I was able to look at it from a distance and I saw many reasons why it happened and what this bad experience did and is still doing to hurt my growth. It has been the biggest source of all anger, hurt, and pain for me over the years. Something most people in my life have never experienced. Which left me so alone in it.

I was able to understand why my family partly blamed me for not telling them from the start. They never experienced abuse like this so while I had their support, I was never able to make them understand why I kept it a secret from them during that time. Now I know its because they just didn't want to accept someone had done this to their little girl, sister, grandaugther,etc. I saw my father crying for me. I never knew that happened. I saw my mothers angry towards my ex too. Which I also never felt at the time. These emotions from my parents were never expressed to me then. Instead I was blamed for it because I didn't leave the first time my ex did this. While I wish in some ways my family could understand, I know it would take being abused themshelves to really understand. So in another way I'm so grateful they don't. After accepting what I can not change about it, I was able to move on and get past it.

I was able to see how this held me back from my growth for many years in my 20's. It was as if a huge dark cloud was stuck over my head by a chain for those years. Then I saw how the pain has left me year after year once I faced it. I saw red lines coming from my heart and my head. They would flow out into nothingness or towards my ex. I then realized that I had been sending anger and pain to him all this time. While on one level I believe he deserves tons of pain because he's done it to every woman hes been with since, on the other level I saw his pain and why he was who he was. I didn't feel sorry for him but I did begin to understand the reasons for his mean nature.

I would like to care about what happens to him because I don't want him to continue hurting himself and others. But for some reason I just felt that just as I pay for the bad I have done, he must do the same. And because he is still an abuser, his energy is still so ugly and tainted. While my life and the energy I have created have taken me down a different path. A path that helped me raise my children and live in a better way under a better light.

So what I have gathered from this is that I made the right choices about many things I wasn't sure about. That I have done exactly what I thought was best ever since getting free from his horrible grasp. He on the other hand continued to travel down the path of a controlling abusive a**. The difference in our lives is huge. I have been blessed he has lost everything. I find no pleasure in the fact that his life is bad, but I do understand his karma in the issue now. And why it took me all the years of my 20's to start my life again.

Brilliant development. I am so glad you are working through this. The next step will be to forgive him and then love him.

This will come in time, I too was hit by my husband, however, I got up and left after that. In the long run the marriage ended, but it was on my terms.

I hated him for a while, then I forgave him and now I love him unconditionally, and all this without having seen him in the last 6 years since the divorce.

I have worked through mostly everything with the help of ormus and it is quite cathartic and liberating for one's soul.

Peace and good work.

[Painter]

Needless to say I was hesitate to post this. Maybe because my family and friends don't like the subject, so I've learned to keep quite about it. I think my goal is to forgive him. But I also think the reason I have a problem doing so is that he is still doing this to young women who do not have the strength to just get up and leave. Of course they all leave in time. But I have often wondered how much pain they carry and how much pain he has spread. The last time I saw him 5 years ago, he made the comment that I had changed so much for the better. In other words he doesn't take the blame for his actions even after all of these years. So I tried to forgive him that day by saying " I have forgiven you thats why I seem so different." He looked me right in the eye and said" forgiven me for what? You didn't listen you got beaten."

So you see the energy of my forgivness has been thrown back into my face. With him still blaming me and the other women for his actions. I'm trying believe me. I hate carrying the burden. I need to forgive him even though he doesn't want forgivness. I worry that he will always throw it back because that way he never has to admit his mistakes.

[OlderWiser]

Originally Posted by Painter

So you see the energy of my forgivness has been thrown back into my face.

Forgiveness isn't for him. It's for YOU. It frees you of responsibility for him. It cuts your emotional and spiritual ties to him. It clears your books on him.

Forgiveness doesn't require him to change, that's his business, and he certainly will reap what he sows. The young women he hurts are there with him for their own reasons which have nothing to do with you. None of it is your concern.

Strike him off your list of "things I need to concern myself with". THAT is what forgiveness does for you.

(FWIW, I write that after years of struggling with the idea of what forgiveness is and why I should do it. Once I got the hang of it, I found it's incredibly healing to just forgive and let go. So I'm not just spouting off nice, happy things. I've had all manner of things to forgive. Oh, and at least half of the people I've forgiven have not changed in the least or wanted my forgiveness, but insisted on continuing to blame me and accept no responsibility. Whatever. That's their karma, not mine.)

[Painter]

Thanks Olderwiser,
Good Points. I know this and even feel it coming, but I am stuck in understanding it right now. Thats always a block for me. Wanting to know why. But I am going to try to clear my hurt enough to send out love. I am quite the empath so when I think of him I see all of these other women whom he has destroyed. I feel so deeply for them. I want to save them first. I know what a snake he can be, so I also know they stay because he has munipulated them into thinking they have to. For one reason or another. However, even if I feel for them I can't send them love if I'm still angry. I realize this is something I need to walk away from. I just can't get the other women out of my head.

The ormus is healing me emotionally. And just as a cut hurts when it is healing so am I at the moment. I am happier about it than I seem because I can see that this is going to leave me soon. The ormus is allowing me to understand more. To realize none of it was my fault. Not one second of it. But at the same time, the ormus is making me face facts. Your post for instance. It is real and to the point. You've been there done that, and I see that I can get past it too, when someone point out that healing is within my grasp.

I have also come to realize that when in need it will be fulfilled. Just as the advice I have gotten here this morning has already got me past needing to understand more before just letting it go. I see now that sometimes evil people just hurt others. It doesn't mean they desreved it. It just means they were the choosen target at the time. But of course I learned alot from the experience. I tried to turn the bad into knowledge and never got in that situation again.

I need to allow the ormus to let me work on myself right now. Rather than going by my empathic feelings for others. After all if I'm not healed completly from it how on earth could I help others going through it?

[OlderWiser]

Originally Posted by Painter

I am stuck in understanding it right now. Thats always a block for me. Wanting to know why.

I hear you. Been there, done that, too. You'll get past it.

Originally Posted by Painter

I am quite the empath

Me, too. Shielding. I practice continual shielding. Have to, in order to maintain any sanity at all.

Originally Posted by Painter

And just as a cut hurts when it is healing so am I at the moment.

*nod* I'm glad you're healing. I'm sorry you're in pain, though.

Thank you for sharing all of that. It was really beautiful, and it moved me deeply. I've been there, too, and I had kind of forgotten the bittersweetness of it, but I was reminded just now. Thank you. It was worth remembering.

[Painter]

Me, too. Shielding. I practice continual shielding. Have to, in order to maintain any sanity at all.

Sheilding. Of course. Why haven't I thought of that since I started the ormus 5 days ago? I have a sheilding method of pushing light out and around myself. Sometimes I leave a small opening at the heart chakra but place a filter there.For some reason I haven't practiced it this week even before meditating. Thats not very smart of me. Maybe I should try completely closing myself within the light this time with no opening.

[Painter]

I just wanted to share that I am already begining to manifest my desires. I'm shocked and amazed at how fast things are happening. Also very happy about it. Two things are happening that I have been working on for months. A job for my son is in the works at a place he really wants to work and I have felt so much better physically over the last 3 days. My only question is this. In my past training about manifesting I was taught to give it tons of thought and energy. Meaning to keep stating it, thinking of it and sending that out. But now I feel as if I only have to ask, project, or send once.
What do ya'll think?

[robrave]

Originally Posted by Painter

I just wanted to share that I am already begining to manifest my desires. I'm shocked and amazed at how fast things are happening. Also very happy about it. Two things are happening that I have been working on for months. A job for my son is in the works at a place he really wants to work and I have felt so much better physically over the last 3 days. My only question is this. In my past training about manifesting I was taught to give it tons of thought and energy. Meaning to keep stating it, thinking of it and sending that out. But now I feel as if I only have to ask, project, or send once.
What do ya'll think?

Belief is everything. It seems that you believe, that what you believe is believable and achievable. You are starting to believe in your skill in manifesting.

[nicbrahms]

Originally Posted by Painter

I just wanted to share that I am already begining to manifest my desires. I'm shocked and amazed at how fast things are happening. Also very happy about it. Two things are happening that I have been working on for months. A job for my son is in the works at a place he really wants to work and I have felt so much better physically over the last 3 days. My only question is this. In my past training about manifesting I was taught to give it tons of thought and energy. Meaning to keep stating it, thinking of it and sending that out. But now I feel as if I only have to ask, project, or send once.
What do ya'll think?

So exciting for you, I remember when this all started speeding up manifesting for me. Its like magic isn't.

Please keep me posted, so interesting listening to someone else's experience.

[Painter]

Please keep me posted, so interesting listening to someone else's experience.

I will because this forum has helped me so much as a newbie. I too see that I have less doubt and more belief.
o.k. update:
Last night I read so much about Ormus my eyes were hurting. I read how some consider it the Manna that God rained down on the Israelite's while in the desert. Amoung other beliefs too. I had glanced over this info before I purchsed my ormus, but had time last night to really sink my teeth into it. My reading lead me to buy the Dew ormus because of the bible story.

When I did go to bed and turned off my computer, (it was tired and needed rest haha) I got out my Grandfathers old bible which my Grandmother gave me after his death. The one he took to church every Sunday and wrote in to make notes. When I turned to Exodus there were little notes all up and down the sides of the pages. I was suddenly hit with the memories of my grandparents talking about how God gave the Israelite's manna. And the slides pictures from their trip to the Holy Land in 1971.

As I read it all seemed to come together. Many religions have sought this "Manna" some by different names. I began to feel even more hungry for knowledge. So I turned to the back of the bible and found the word manna. Then I noticed a passage in Revelations too. This one really got me thinking. Today I plan to read about other religions that have searched for and used this subtance. Is it the same thing? I can only say its possible, but if it is, the passage in Rev.2.17 is very inspiring to me. I ended up reading the whole chapter.

[Manomanman]

I can't believe people drink concoctions containing lye to trip out.

wow.

[Painter]

With respect, That is not my reason at all.

[nicbrahms]

Originally Posted by Manomanman

I can't believe people drink concoctions containing lye to trip out.

wow.

For someone who claims he is enlightened, you sure is dumb.

Do you research on lye and the ormus wet method before you comment.

toodles

P.s it is not tripping out, have you even read this thread or read anything to do with ormus?

[FozzyB]

Originally Posted by Manomanman

I can't believe people drink concoctions containing lye to trip out.

wow.

1) I can't believe someone can be so closed-minded, well ok, maybe so and even more ironic on a "smart people forum."

2) If you believe the purpose is to "trip-out," could you substantiate that statement? If I wanted to "trip-out," believe me, ormus wouldn't be on my list

[Painter]

Manomanman,
I'm guessing from reading over some of your post and your "create a cult blog" that you may be just trying to stir things to gain some kind of control by getting a reaction. Think about it and consider if thats where your coming from. If not then I can't convince you.
With love I say this.
Control your own mind and thoughts and allow others their own development. This is truly the path to enlightenment. Seeking to control others will only get you heartache. And I feel this way not because you don't agree with me, but because you, in one sentence, expressed so much harsh judgement.
Have a good day, because I truly want you too.

[Manomanman]

Originally Posted by nicbrahms

After injesting the Ormus gold one time, he was unable to live normally for over a year because he would manifest everything he would think of. Soon after ingesting it, his behaviour became so strange that hsi wife told him that she was going to take him to the hospital, but he was able to convince her that they would not know what to do to treat complications arising from the ingestion of white powder of gold.

A clinical psychologist would label this a schizophrenic break. Because he wasn't a danger to other people or himself, there would be no reason to forcibly institutionalize him. But having long-term hallucinations like this is not my idea of fun.

I won't stop anybody from going schizophrenic if that is their wish.

[Painter]

I've read that already and much much more. However, at this moment my newly schizophrenic brain can't wrap around your words. maybe thats because I'm one of the stupid ones you speak of. And its so nice to be who I am. Please know I have no problem with anyone disagreeing as long as they use respect.

[rei]

Originally Posted by Manomanman

A clinical psychologist would label this a schizophrenic break. Because he wasn't a danger to other people or himself, there would be no reason to forcibly institutionalize him. But having long-term hallucinations like this is not my idea of fun.

I won't stop anybody from going schizophrenic if that is their wish.

thank you, for providing a timely example of what i was getting at here naysayers

[nicbrahms]

Oh my lord, if you read the thread earlier you would know I put someone else straight on this point.

Hudson's process creates a pure white gold powder, the concoctions we take are no where near this strength, not even minutely so.

They are mild and subtle.

Which is why I advise people to research and educate themselves first.

Of course, Manmanoman is enlightened so there is nothing I can tell you.

Peace

[nicbrahms]

Originally Posted by rei

thank you, for providing a timely example of what i was getting at here naysayers

Thanks Rei, thats it in a nutshell.

Funny contrast though, enlightened in one post, Manmanoman, and in this one he rubbishes something without knowledge of it.

If thats his bag, thats his bag.

[rei]

i will be honest in saying i realize judging is often easier. path of least resistance and least effort for a lot of folks.

judging isn't really "easier" for me, because my natural drive is to understand where someone is coming from and to get the context, but i don't really want to judge a judger either. it is a valid choice, to judge without firsthand experience. framing someone's different experience as mere hallucination means the wheels of your own idea of reality keep on turnin'. i can understand the pull there.

agree, interesting contrast.

[Painter]

I saw the post Nic put up before about the difference. Thats why when I did read the quote I responed the way I did. I am not a hateful person at all. I hope I never leave that impression. I didn't enjoy saying what I did in my response. Hated I had to. Gald I was able to be light-hearted about it. But I have learned that if someone says these type things to me its best just to try to give it back to them in a less negative way that they threw it out. If I don't then I'm a whimp in a way. So please ya'll I hope my little attitude doesn't leave the wrong impression. I only press back when I'm pressed.

Happiness and love to everyone today. Its a beautiful day here. 60 degrees and sunny. We are having a cook out later so I'm all filled with happiness.

[rei]

Painter, i saw nothing wrong or nasty in your post. we all train people on what treatment is and isn't acceptable to us. nothing wrong with demonstrating what isn't acceptable treatment.

hope you enjoy the cook out

[laurasilver]

Well the Bodylight I have been taking seems to me like ormus 'lite' in comparison to the other accounts. We are advised to 'exercise prudence' in the taking of it, but it has been nothing but pleasant and good for me.

Long before I ordered some, I read through someone's journal of several months and the difficulties they'd encountered in manifesting their worst fears, the physiological effects etc. I'd also heeded peoples' warnings about the need to be in a good place before taking it etc.

I have found that life runs more smoothly when taking it. I feel as though I am kinder and more empathetic, if that were possible, but more in the sense of seeing people in a good light through understanding them, rather than just picking up on their thoughts and feelings.

I love the stuff! And I do not feel it is doing me any harm physically; quite the opposite.

[Painter]

Thanks rei,
Well it took me a while to learn it. As I mentioned somewhere here I used to play victim. And in learning not to become the vicitm I learned its best to go ahead and let someone know what is acceptable to you and what is not. Of course its not what was said but how it was said. And it is not my place to change that in anyone. But we do decided to a certain degree how people treat us.

I've read a few post here already that I disagree with about how people treat others. About it being our on fault and responiblity. I'm thinking on it a while before I respond because I believe in my heart that it is not always our fault when we are treated in a way we do not like.

Btw, I love your pic. It so,,, well,, pleasant.