Where is God in the law of attraction

[yasaman]

Hi Guys,

I have another question about the law of attraction.

Where is God in the law of attraction?
Regards

[SmartAlx]

On the opposite end with his back turned.

[Lamusa]

Where is God in the Law of attraction? Where is God in the school girl, the criminal, the basketball player, the rain drop, the flower, the fork, the spoon, the murderer, the liar, the priest, the rabbi, the shaman, you...God's in everything.

Originally Posted by SmartAlx

On the opposite end with his back turned.

I think God needs a hug.

[Brown Eyed Mystic]

God is in every person, every animal, every plant and in every stone on the earth. God is Pure Light, Pure Love and Pure Life, penetrating all and everything.
Life is a gift of Love from God, and then there's also Freedom. Freedom to worship, Freedom to Destroy. Freedom to be Ecstatic, Freedom to be Miserable.
One's natural condition is to be healthy, wealthy, loving and peaceful. When there is lack of health, wealth, love or peace in life, there's a disconnection to the Source somewhere.

The Law of Attraction says that it supplies you with all the requisites of this connection, and helps make your life prosperous and delightful.

In short, God is You. So is Me too.

[SmartAlx]

"Oneness" is not the same thing as the Law of Attraction.

[SmartAlx]

God is everything. The LoA is also supposed to be everything, according to the "oneness" "religion," to which most LoA believers subscribe (especially when they call the power behind the LoA "Source.") According to Subjective Reality theory, a concept central to the Law of Attraction, everyone is supposed to exist in their own private reality. Some people do not believe in God so in their own reality God does not exist. But the Law of Attraction is supposed to exist in everyone's reality whether they believe in it or not. Therefore the Law of Attraction and "Source" exist in every reality and God does not. Therefore, according to popular LoA thinking, the Law of Attraction "Source" takes precedence over God. This makes "Source" idol worship to God and it explains why "Source" can NOT be God but must instead be a completely different power. Therefore God MUST be against the Law of Attraction.

[Lamusa]

It baffles me that God seem so separate from the law of attraction just because many people want better lifestyles and want to live to their highest potential or want (gasp!) material things. We're here, so live it up! Carpe Diem! Some people want world peace and love and many want all of the above. Doesn't it say in the Bible that we are made in God's image? The religious person practices LOA just as much as the non-religious person. When the preacher at the beginning of their ministry says I want a congregation that is overflowing and prays for it, sees it, believes in it, walks with it, prepares outstanding sermons, more and more people want to come and hear what this preacher has to say and soon enough the congregation starts growing, it doubles, it triples and his next intention becomes to manifest a bigger church.

Or the relative who is sick on their deathbed and their loved ones gather together join hands and pray picturing their relative in good times seeing their health and exuberance holding her mentally in the light of the Lord, telling Jesus/God/Allah/Jehovah to walk with her, wake her up bring her back, they pray with their whole hearts and that loved one starts to wake up, acknowledges them, smiles a little, falls asleep, wakes up feels a little better the loved ones keep praying the doctors says well, this is not possible but the loved ones believe it is so and now encouraged they keep on with their prayers and their relative makes a full recovery.

The LOA becomes whatever it is in the hands of whoever and this can depend on culture, education, upbringing, life situations, religious affiliations and so on.

I think when people ask questions like these what they really are asking is how can we all become better more loving, open-hearted, generous people? Like God (insert religion here) wants us to be? How can we all participate in and contribute to a healthy, balanced society? How can we give and recieve love? We've all been hurt in our lives along the way so some people intend for things within this 'hurt.' Many of us learn and start intending for things that are more in line with our hearts. So I think that in asking where God is in the law of attraction our focus is in the wrong place. Asking how can we act more from our higher selves, our best selves, our most loving selves might be better. Or, simply, where is the love?

[Lamusa]

Originally Posted by SmartAlx

God is everything. The LoA is also supposed to be everything, according to the "oneness" "religion," to which most LoA believers subscribe (especially when they call the power behind the LoA "Source.") According to Subjective Reality theory, a concept central to the Law of Attraction, everyone is supposed to exist in their own private reality. Some people do not believe in God so in their own reality God does not exist. But the Law of Attraction is supposed to exist in everyone's reality whether they believe in it or not. Therefore the Law of Attraction and "Source" exist in every reality and God does not. Therefore, according to popular LoA thinking, the Law of Attraction "Source" takes precedence over God. This makes "Source" idol worship to God and it explains why "Source" can NOT be God but must instead be a completely different power. Therefore God MUST be against the Law of Attraction.

In terms of a completely different power, you mean the devil, don't you? There's nothing that makes life a little more spicier than flirting (or the fear of flirting with the devil) the low down dirty devil. Hey, I went to Catholic School and attended church many, many Sundays. The Devil is simply the unknown. Anything that goes against the beliefs of the dominant culture might seem evil because it is not understood. Many cultures pay homage to different Gods (idols) and have for a long, long time, long before any of the major religions were created. Source, in my mind is not separate from God. But our ideas about God is where we differ. So many people, so many ideas and ways of approaching this relationship.

[SmartAlx]

Originally Posted by Lamusa

It baffles me that God seem so separate from the law of attraction just because many people want better lifestyles and want to live to their highest potential or want (gasp!) material things.

This self centered approach runs counter to Christian doctrine.

Matthew 22:36-40
 36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

In addition to that... I repeat:

• The LoA says we all have our own reality.
• Some people don't believe in God so God doesn't exist for them.
• Some people don't believe in the LoA but the LoA DOES exist for THEM.
• Therefore the LoA theory says that God does not exist for everyone but the LoA does. It just acts like it doesn't exist.
• Therefore, to God, the LoA is idolotry and blasphemy.

I think when people ask questions like these what they really are asking is how can we all become better more loving, open-hearted, generous people? *Like God (insert religion here) wants us to be? *How can we all participate in and contribute to a healthy, balanced society? *How can we give and recieve love?

Christians ask questions like this because they are experiencing cognitive dissonance between their faith and a competing but very attractive belief system. Who doesn't want an easy way to get what you want? But the discerning Christian is wary of temptation, but is still attracted to getting his hearts desires. So when ge hears of the LoA, his ears might prick up. After all, getting our heart's desires is what the LoA is all about. You all can talk big about love and personal development but at the end of the day you and I and we all know that it's all about getting what YOU want. This self centered philosophy runs counter to Christian doctrine. But strong Christians know that something can't be right about it. So we get questions like this one.

If you are a Christian, there should be absolutely no confusion. *The Law of Attraction is heretical. Talk of love and being one with the universe and God are excuses. Be careful about believing in the LoA because you want it to be true. Don't confuse yourself.

My question is, if your faith is so strong enough for you to feel uncomfortable with the Law of Attraction, why are you asking LoAers about your cognitive dissonance? You should be asking fellow Christians. Luckily I am here for just such an occasion.

Originally Posted by Lamusa

Source, in my mind is not separate from God. *But our ideas about God is where we differ. *So many people, so many ideas and ways of approaching this relationship.

Did you read what I wrote? The bulletpoints? You seem to be ignoring the cause and effect relationships I described. You can't deny that what I wrote is true, so it baffles me that anyone who believes in the Bible can say the LoA is not seperate from God. You have to disagree with the Bible to say that the LoA and God can coexist. Gnostic Christians are able to make the leap because they don't agree with the same Bible the rest of the Christian world does. Gnosticism is heretical too.

BTW. Ignore the asterisks. Stupid iPhone.

[nicbrahms]

God is all.

[Ximen]

Originally Posted by nicbrahms

God is all.

LOA operates within God's will and territory, ha?

Or one can deduce that the LoA itself is God...

[Elrond]

Yahweh is too self centered and egoistical to have anything to do with something as democratic as the LoA.

[danas]

Where is the software developer in the software?
He invented it!

[joelr]

Originally Posted by SmartAlx

God is everything. The LoA is also supposed to be everything, according to the "oneness" "religion," to which most LoA believers subscribe (especially when they call the power behind the LoA "Source.") According to Subjective Reality theory, a concept central to the Law of Attraction, everyone is supposed to exist in their own private reality. Some people do not believe in God so in their own reality God does not exist. But the Law of Attraction is supposed to exist in everyone's reality whether they believe in it or not. Therefore the Law of Attraction and "Source" exist in every reality and God does not. Therefore, according to popular LoA thinking, the Law of Attraction "Source" takes precedence over God. This makes "Source" idol worship to God and it explains why "Source" can NOT be God but must instead be a completely different power. Therefore God MUST be against the Law of Attraction.

Source, God and subjective reality are not intrinsically tied to LOA.
"Source" is just a reference to the Eastern God concept, used moreso to avoid the confusion of having the word "God" being taken to mean the Western concept of a personal God as seen in Mithras, Horus or the Jewish/Christian mythology.

If you study up on what is meant by "source" it generally fits the Brahman description - the unchanging, infinite, immanent, transcendent reality which is the Divine Ground of all matter, energy, consciousness, etc...

Your reading of subjective reality is a bit off also. It does not need to be taken literal, there can be "something" that is there for all beings, some type of information, just the description of reality that presents itself to our senses is illusive.

This physicist sums it up nicely in the later part of his interview.

http://www.signandsight.com/features/614.html

[MidasGirl]

Originally Posted by SmartAlx

God is everything. The LoA is also supposed to be everything, according to the "oneness" "religion," to which most LoA believers subscribe (especially when they call the power behind the LoA "Source.") According to Subjective Reality theory, a concept central to the Law of Attraction, everyone is supposed to exist in their own private reality. Some people do not believe in God so in their own reality God does not exist. But the Law of Attraction is supposed to exist in everyone's reality whether they believe in it or not. Therefore the Law of Attraction and "Source" exist in every reality and God does not. Therefore, according to popular LoA thinking, the Law of Attraction "Source" takes precedence over God. This makes "Source" idol worship to God and it explains why "Source" can NOT be God but must instead be a completely different power. Therefore God MUST be against the Law of Attraction.

Which God are you talking about though?

[Angela]

Originally Posted by MidasGirl

Which God are you talking about though?

The OP didn't specify a christian god.

by the way, MidasGirl, I love that Voltaire quote!

[Elrond]

Originally Posted by Angela

The OP didn't specify a christian god.

No, but he didn't say a god, he said; "God", capital G which implies a specific deity. Now in which philosophies and religions do we meet, not just a god, but a god who is refered to as "God" either by virtue of being the only one or because that it is he/she/its name? The first that springs to mind are the abrahamic religions, there could be others but that's the most known ones. If so, the christian God is the same as the Abrahamic one so for SmartAlx to talk about the christian God in this context is appropriate and not a leap of faith...

I wish that some words could just have a more concrete meaning, like this word (or name, or whatever). Because everytime someone makes a post mentioning god in some way, either people start asking "well what god are you talking about?" or they start to discuss totally different meanings of the word. New agers have, for some reason, decided that they are going to use the word god/God for the belief in oneness, instead of having some more exclusive term like "Source", "Universal Mind" etc.

Why?

Is there like a need to latch on a tiny bit to ancient religions that you may have been involved with before, to try to find a bridge your old faith and your new eastern inspired ones? Well I'm not going to go down that quasi psycho-analyzing road. The Abrahamic God and this depersonalized "one with everything" god have nothing in common. Of course noone has a copyright on words but it both fascinates and ticks me.

[MidasGirl]

I can't believe you're getting your panties in a knot over this one, lol

God is just a term. The meaning will depend on whoever is using it. You're right nobody has the copyright over it. At least muslims do have a copyright over theirs, I mean, if the OP had said, where is Allah in all this, everyone would be clear what was meant.

God can mean anything. In some native tribes, the term for God=rain, or mountain, or whatever.

If christians wanted to own a brand, they could use terms such as Jehovah more.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by yasaman

Where is God in the law of attraction?

He starts appearing somewhere around mid alpha. In the space that opens up as one slow, deep breath turns on itself and expires, and before the next breath is drawn.

Often you can feel his presence, when the colours start swirling in your vision, as you enter a deeper meditative state.

At other times, he's mischevious and he'll just run around and hide from your senses.

[Mounds]

Hmmm... maybe I should start my own thread for this question.

Where is evolution in the law of attraction?

-Tim

[Elrond]

Originally Posted by MidasGirl

God is just a term. The meaning will depend on whoever is using it.

Rendering it effectively useless and meaningless.

[MidasGirl]

Originally Posted by Elrond

Rendering it effectively useless and meaningless.

Perfectly well said. There is no meaning for it other than that which you choose to give it, in your case, "effectively useless and meaningless".

[Joshuaa]

I wish to attract a new God and I shall call him Buckfast.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Elrond

Rendering it effectively useless and meaningless.

Inherently meaningless, but not useless. The word "god" is like the word "love" -- people use it to symbolize different things, things that aren't always clear from context and must be discussed further to be more fully understood, and getting one's panties in a twist about co-opting one's way as the "right" way to use it reminds me of Frank Zappa's song, Dumb All Over: "Our god says there ain't no other!"

[Diandra25]

not where is God....cause that would supose that it is separate from it.

God is Loa itself.and it is all.and in all.

[Elrond]

Originally Posted by Angela

Inherently meaningless, but not useless. The word "god" is like the word "love" -- people use it to symbolize different things, things that aren't always clear from context and must be discussed further to be more fully understood, and getting one's panties in a twist about co-opting one's way as the "right" way to use it reminds me of Frank Zappa's song, Dumb All Over: "Our god says there ain't no other!"

I'm not seeing how saying that it ticks and fascinates me is getting "my panties in a twist".
It isn't "my way" of using it, since I don't a associate myself with any of the abrahamic religions.
You have a good point. Though I think that terms like "source" and similar things are more descriptive in cases where one believes in a oneness of everything, that everything is connected. Usually this is what new age folks means, and their view doesn't seem incredibly nuanced from each other when it comes to the big picture. EDIT: Which seems to be the case also in this thread.
EDIT: I don't know if the oneness in whatever eastern philosophy or religion it came from refered to it as god, so I don't know the historical perspective of the term in that context.

[MidasGirl]

Originally Posted by Angela

by the way, MidasGirl, I love that Voltaire quote!

It's one of my all time favorite quotes. Very witty yet incredibly deep.

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Mounds

Hmmm... maybe I should start my own thread for this question.

Where is evolution in the law of attraction?

Where is evolution not in the law of attraction?

Every point of consciousness in existence is having experiences. And all consciousness is making decisions based on these experiences. Contrast causes consciousness to ask for an improved state of being, and source offers it fully, provided they come into alignment with it. This is the evolution of consciousness -- the improved ability to ask.

Even one celled amoeba are having experiences and making requests that source is answering.

The evolution is everywhere.

[Mounds]

Originally Posted by Anagogy

Every point of consciousness in existence is having experiences. And all consciousness is making decisions based on these experiences. Contrast causes consciousness to ask for an improved state of being, and source offers it fully, provided they come into alignment with it. This is the evolution of consciousness -- the improved ability to ask.

Hmm... I'm not so sure it works this way but alright.
For another thread I guess!

-Tim

[SmartAlx]

Originally Posted by joelr

Source, God and subjective reality are not intrinsically tied to LOA.

Your reading of subjective reality is a bit off also. It does not need to be taken literal, there can be "something" that is there for all beings, some type of information, just the description of reality that presents itself to our senses is illusive.

This physicist sums it up nicely in the later part of his interview.

http://www.signandsight.com/features/614.html

I take my definitionand understanding from the people on this board. I'll concede that perhaps SR and "Source" might not be requirements of the LoA, but the reason I jumped to the conclusion was that I asked questions about thinks like like opposing manifestations when using the LoA and SR is always given as the answer. *I don't want to sound argumentative but since some of you are saying that SR is not central to the LoA, can you explain (without using SR) how one reconciles two expert manifesters trying to achieve the same intention? *Please don't say that each person achieves their intention in their own reality while the other person achieves the same exact intention in their reality. *That's SR, and you said that it wasn't central. *But if you use it to defend the LoA then it must be central.

Is that clear as mud?

Sorry, I don't have time to read your link right now. Feel free to ignore this post till I confirm that I've read it, if you want.