Having everything you've ever dreamed in the next ten seconds.

[cacheborn]

Cool post Karanime. It's amazing how you managed to put so much content in such a short post. You are right, of course. Ultimately, it all boils down to beliefs. Change them and you change your perception of reality and hence the reality.

I was in awe after reading Tom's story. Still thinking over it. Great discussion, too, guys.

[Karanime]

Originally Posted by SarahJaynee

I agree about the word "believe". I changed it for "know" and my alignments match much faster now...

I vote to use "believe" for the things we don't like and "know" for the things we do, just for clarification in conversation. ^.^

/<3

[Karanime]

Originally Posted by cacheborn

Cool post Karanime. It's amazing how you managed to put so much content in such a short post. You are right, of course. Ultimately, it all boils down to beliefs. Change them and you change your perception of reality and hence the reality.

I was in awe after reading Tom's story. Still thinking over it. Great discussion, too, guys.

Yeah, I'm totally like the reader's digest version of everything I've ever known. XD

Once I thought I'd never be able to do what Steve does because I can shove all of his content into a few lines. But his style of blogging is more about capturing the attention of the reader, and the art of writing, rather than ideas alone.

Which is nifty.

Off topic in my own thread. Hum.

/<3

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by Tom Booth

Well, the implications are just too staggering.

The implications are indeed staggering, and it's a fascinating story. It makes me wonder what powers we have and how we can use them, and what it all means.

I've told a story here once that happened to me, where my cat was seriously injured and the vet called and said things didn't look promising. I was determined to stop this situation and I went for a long walk and I was repeating over and over something like, "Smokey is perfectly fine and it was all a mistake." And then I woke up.

Just a dream? Or did I turn an actual event into a dream by my intention, so I could wake up out of it? It seemed very profound to me at the time.

I tried this again when a friend had a massive heart attack. His sister called and said it didn't look promising. I began filling a notebook with "Carl is perfectly fine and it was all a mistake." Figuring I might wake up. It didn't work.

I wonder if you actually had to not go to the scene of the accident for your visualization to work. Or if we can actually reverse/prevent an occurrence that's already happened even if we've seen it. Or if that would be too much belief to override.

[Tom Booth]

Originally Posted by WakingLife

this is an amazing story how wonderful! What were your emotions/feelings while you were visualizing?

Well,...

When I first got the news from my father, when he came out the door with my mother crying...

Just shock

Then when they just drove off without me and left me standing in the driveway, at first I felt a little angry that they would just leave me standing there...

Then when I decided that all I could do is pray... I came up against a wall, because in the religion I was raised,... we prayed, probably 20 or 30 times a week - at each meal, etc. But nobody ever prayed for a "miracle" because "miracles" were supposed to have ended with the apostles 2,000 years ago...

But for the past year or so prior to this, I had been reading other literature and books that had a different view - that literally ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE with prayer / creative visualization or whatever you want to call it.

Basically, I didn't know if it was "right" or "wrong" to ask for or pray or "visualize" something "miraculous" happening but I basically said - if it's "wrong" - the devil take my soul,... I don't care, I'd give my own life for my brother.

Then I felt a real urgency, like it was a race against time, because if my parents got to the scene and saw the accident - it would be fixed or something. I don't know if that is true, but that is how I felt at the time, like it was important that I act quickly and there wasn't time to think about was it possible or not.

It was almost like some reflex took over, like a dog runs out in front of your car unexpectedly and you just hit the brakes without thinking. I felt like I didn't have time to think about what was possible or impossible, I just started doing it.

After that, while actually trying to visualize the details - like my brother NOT actually hitting a telephone pole,... but somehow going back in time to the incident and having him just skid off to the side of the road or something...

While doing all this visualizing as to how this "alternative reality" would play out...

I'd say at that point I felt kind of indifferent or aloof.

Like I had gotten out of myself and had become really "big" and powerful and knowing or something.

When my parents pulled back into the driveway I felt like I had a hard time coming back, - like I had gotten so deep into this visualization process that I had actually gone out of the body or something and it was difficult to "wake up" from this "trance" and get this "Big Self" back into that little body down there in the driveway. As I was coming out of it I felt very lethargic, like I was being woken up from a deep sleep - (but I wasn't asleep).

Then as I saw my parents pulling up and got back to feeling myself again I felt kind of apprehensive - - what "REALITY" would I be "waking up" to....

What would they tell me ?

When my father said it was apparently all just somebody's idea of a practical joke and that he was sure my brother was fine - that he wasn't even there...

Other than the other strange things he told me, like people saying that my brother and the car just "dissappeared"... I didn't really know what to think.

I went out to the side of the road for a while looking up and down waiting for my brother to get home... until it started to get dark and I got very tired.

I started to feel drained. It had been quite the ordeal... I didn't think there was anything else I could do so I went inside and went straight to bed early.

I woke up right at dawn.

It was still twilight when I went outside and found the car. Then my brother...

Things at that point still seemed a little strange. The car looked different, like it was brand new, and my brother was acting a little weird too.

My brother asked me to drive... when he took me to "show me something"...

I was reluctant because I had just gotten my learners permit but he kept saying that he couldn't drive the car and when I asked why not, he just said - "I don't know, I just can't" - that he tried but he couldn't.

"If you can't drive, how'd you get home ?"

He didn't answer.

I didn't understand, but I said OK, I guess it would be alright as long as he was in the car with me.

The definitive moment seemed to be when we were together at the scene, after looking things over and he was pleading with me to believe him. He seemed adamant that he had to find someone to believe what he was saying, that a "miracle" had happened.

When I finally said "Yes" that I did believe him... then it felt like things were back to "normal". The sun was up, and we drove home, and my family came out of the house as soon as we pulled up...

I got the impression later that the reason my brother couldn't drive the car was that he wasn't fully THERE yet. Not until he found someone to believe him. (??)

After we returned to the scene and I said I believed him - he said that he could drive now, and drove us back home.

[Wax Frog]

Would it be fair of me to take your experience as more evidence that 'good feeling' is irrelevant? I somehow doubt you were feeling anything remotely like joy at the time.

[Tom Booth]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

I wonder if you actually had to not go to the scene of the accident for your visualization to work. Or if we can actually reverse/prevent an occurrence that's already happened even if we've seen it. Or if that would be too much belief to override.

I don't really know what the "right" or "true" answer to that would be. But at the time, as mentioned above, I did feel like it was important to try to undo whatever could possibly be undone before my parents saw otherwise.

That may have been my own subjective belief or something, but I felt that urgency to act quickly before they got there very strongly at the time... I don't know if this was direction from my "higher self" or intuition or just a feeling or what.

My mother is very religious but as mentioned - doesn't believe in "miracles" and my father is of a scientific mind...

Somehow I felt that this had to happen before they got there, if it was going to happen at all. My father had told me that the police (or whoever called) wouldn't say if my brother was alive or not, but that they just needed to get down there, but he said from the way it sounded my brother was probably dead - like they needed someone to identify the body - but I felt that the door was left open so-to-speak.

As for the other people already at the scene - for some reason I felt that they didn't really matter that much as they didn't know my family and weird things happen all the time and people just brush them off and forget about them.

That was my thinking at the time anyway.

I tend to think that If I HAD gone along, things might have turned out differently, because the only reason I decided to "pray" was because I had been left behind and it was the only thing I could think to do. If I had gone along I probably would have just looked out the car window until we got there.

[mikethedrummer44]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

Would it be fair of me to take your experience as more evidence that 'good feeling' is irrelevant? I somehow doubt you were feeling anything remotely like joy at the time.

That's because it's all about energy!

[Tom Booth]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

Would it be fair of me to take your experience as more evidence that 'good feeling' is irrelevant? I somehow doubt you were feeling anything remotely like joy at the time.

I think you are probably right, at least in this case,

My "intention" was that "It never happened" and my brother had just gone out and drove home and since "it never happened" there was no reason to feel anything but 'indifference' at him coming home, I guess...

Probably in a lot of cases some kind of joy or happiness or thankfulness would have been appropriate to the situation...

Like feeling happy or joyful at having a million dollars or whatever,...

My thinking now is that whatever feeling generated should be what is appropriate to the situation. At the time I felt I had gotten into some kind of state where I just felt aloof to the situation, but that I was making or trying to make a choice between two different outcomes.

As far as I can recall, I don't think I ever focused on trying to feel any particular feeling. I was more focused on trying to just believe.

[cacheborn]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

Would it be fair of me to take your experience as more evidence that 'good feeling' is irrelevant? I somehow doubt you were feeling anything remotely like joy at the time.

I had the exact same thought. LOA has always been associated with joy, happiness. Is that because it is a strong feeling? In this case Tom's feeling were very intense but not of joy, still it worked! Amazing.

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by cacheborn

I had the exact same thought. LOA has always been associated with joy, happiness. Is that because it is a strong feeling? In this case Tom's feeling were very intense but not of joy, still it worked! Amazing.

You may have missed my own 'accidental manifestation' stories, more fodder to support this idea I didn't recognize them as such, as both were tied to 'negative' feeling.

[I also tend to forget my mystery-song 'manifestation', but it doesn't fit here since I felt a mild but steady confidence in finding it, and this is a long story anyway...]

[cacheborn]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

You may have missed my own 'accidental manifestation' stories, more fodder to support this idea I didn't recognize them as such, as both were tied to 'negative' feeling.

[I also tend to forget my mystery-song 'manifestation', but it doesn't fit here since I felt a mild but steady confidence in finding it, and this is a long story anyway...]

I have read some of them, will look for more.
I think for most part, people want to manifest something that will make them happy. So, that is the right feeling for that manifestation. But here in Tom's case, I don't think happy would have been the right feeling. So though the feeling was the different, the intensity was same.

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by cacheborn

I think for most part, people want to manifest something that will make them happy. So, that is the right feeling for that manifestation. But here in Tom's case, I don't think happy would have been the right feeling. So though the feeling was the different, the intensity was same.

The point I'm making is that the 'rightness' of a feeling doesn't at all appear to preclude what would be considered a positive result. Circumstances may dictate which feeling is most easily elicited, but the intensity seems to be more relevant to the manifesting process, IMHO...

[cacheborn]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

The point I'm making is that the 'rightness' of a feeling doesn't at all appear to preclude what would be considered a positive result. Circumstances may dictate which feeling is most easily elicited, but the intensity seems to be more relevant to the manifesting process, IMHO...

well put. I agree.
Must say this makes it quite more interesting. I was not aware of this aspect of the manifestation process.

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by cacheborn

well put. I agree.
Must say this makes it quite more interesting. I was not aware of this aspect of the manifestation process.

Again, I'm just basing this on what Tom Booth and nicbrahms have posted, added to what I assume were 'reverse manifestations' on my part. I also factor in my interpretation of an idea found in "Busting Loose" and "The Presence Process", that it is necessary to reclaim 'stuck' energy in order to be free - if this energy was inherently 'bad', what benefit could there be in reclaiming it?

[cacheborn]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

Again, I'm just basing this on what Tom Booth and nicbrahms have posted, added to what I assume were 'reverse manifestations' on my part. I also factor in my interpretation of an idea found in "Busting Loose" and "The Presence Process", that it is necessary to reclaim 'stuck' energy in order to be free - if this energy was inherently 'bad', what benefit could there be in reclaiming it?

I was reading Tom's posts yesterday. very interesting, especially the necklace thing.
Have not read either of the books, have added them on the list.

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by cacheborn

I was reading Tom's posts yesterday. very interesting, especially the necklace thing.
Have not read either of the books, have added them on the list.

One thing to note about TPP - each of the 10 chapters is designed as a reading exercise to be done twice daily for a week, combined with a non-meditative breathing, all with the aim of cultivating present-moment awareness. Whereas BL contains tools at its heart, TPP is a tool from cover to cover...

[cacheborn]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

One thing to note about TPP - each of the 10 chapters is designed as a reading exercise to be done twice daily for a week, combined with a non-meditative breathing, all with the aim of cultivating present-moment awareness. Whereas BL contains tools at its heart, TPP is a tool from cover to cover...

Thanks for the tips
I realize that there is whole iceberg beneath the tip, waiting to be discovered.

[carenkh]

Loved your story, Tom Booth... and I think I have a crush on your brother! I enjoyed reading how he thinks.

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Sent: Tue 11/20/07 12:55 PM

Tom, I remember it all very well. The road was covered with snow and the car was skidding and it went into a ditch on the side of the road and was heading for a telephone pole. At the last second, literally the car jumped out of the ditch and back into the road. When the car stopped I looked at the tire tracks in the snow and they just stopped suddenly right in front of the pole.There were no tracks leading out of the snow. Either it was a miracle or the car hit a bump or something that made the car jump suddenly and dramatical. I don't know really, it seemed quite miraculous at the time but I don't know. A lot of amazing things have happened to me over the years. What is a miracle? essentially its something beyond your understanding or ability or experience, but I think we humans have abilities that we don't even know about. We are all chemicals and electricity and who knows how those things all interact. For instance I think that music cds are incredibly amazing. How can zeros and ones make complex music? Well really all they do is make fluctuations in electrical current. Those make the speaker vibrate. The speaker makes the air vibrate. The air makes your ear bones vibrate which causes electrical fluctuations in your brain. Its all science and very simple but at the same time incredibly complex and miraculous... some people dismiss any ability that they don't understand. sooo.... ...I don't know what happened with me and the car...

[Tom Booth]

Originally Posted by carenkh

Loved your story, Tom Booth... and I think I have a crush on your brother! I enjoyed reading how he thinks.

LOL..

There was one other thought I figured I might include:

I've always been a very intellectual person and very rarely get emotional about anything - which may be a factor. Someone for whom emotions come more naturally may due better with that method.

For me at that time it was more like stepping out of the game and being very focused. Like playing a game of chess and concentrating very deeply on how to maneuver the pieces to achieve a particular outcome, only in this case the "pieces" were the various elements of the situation... My brother, the car, the pole, the people, the time frame... etc.

But maybe that's just me.

On the other hand, when I have felt strong emotion and incorporated that into the visualization, channeling that energy, I also got very dramatic results. Possibly even more so...

What I mean is, in this instance, I was able to brush the experience off for years, as I didn't actually personally see anything weird (not too much anyway), It was mostly second hand reports I got. but in later experiments when I did intentionally use strong emotion and tried to deliberately channel that energy, I got dramatic results that were impossible to ignore, so I wouldn't say the emotional aspect is of no importance, though overall, I think this was probably the weirdest experience in terms of incomprehensible warping of "reality". I don't feel entirely comfortable taking responsibility for it. It seemed more like divine intervention or something.

If I could control something like that I think I would open my own auto-body repair shop. Drive the car into the garage - restore it to new by "visualization"...

Or just get old junkers from the wrecking yard and make them like new again... I don't feel like what happened could possibly even be remotely within my capability to control consciously.

On the other hand...

The way things transpired seemed to match exactly what I visualized... even down to the details of what I neglected that didn't change.

Soooo... I don't know. Just too weird.