Is everything predetermined already ? ...

[123]

Is everything predetermined already, meaning if something is supposed to happen it will happen no matter what or do we create things ?

The reason I ask is because most of the time when I wake up I write down my dreams from the night before and things in my dreams occur throughout the day. It's not really the exact things that occur, but more of the feeling that I had during a dream, I get the same thing during the day towards something.

For example I had a dream about someone new being hired at my job the other day and I come in to work and a new person just started the morning after my dream. I'm sure this was planned weeks in advance, this person got interviewed, but I wasn't told this and the day before they start I have this dream of someone new at work.

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by 123

Is everything predetermined already, meaning if something is supposed to happen it will happen no matter what or do we create things ?

The reason I ask is because most of the time when I wake up I write down my dreams from the night before and things in my dreams occur throughout the day. It's not really the exact things that occur, but more of the feeling that I had during a dream, I get the same thing during the day towards something.

For example I had a dream about someone new being hired at my job the other day and I come in to work and a new person just started the morning after my dream. I'm sure this was planned weeks in advance, this person got interviewed, but I wasn't told this and the day before they start I have this dream of someone new at work.

If I understand you correctly, you are perplexed how you could have a precognitive type of dream unless predestination was a reality.

If that is the case, I would say that things can be predestined, but they are predestined by your desires. What I mean is, as an individual you are a certain way, you have certain characteristics -- certain likes and dislikes and preferences. These "predispositions" have a sort of "momentum" in time. Because you a certain way, you will make certain choices. The likelihood of a given probability of choice may be psychically "read".

Time is transparent to your inner consciousness. It can see where your "personality momentum" will take you, and where other peoples personality momentum will take them. This is how predictions may be made. To the extent that someone or something has a bias towards given behaviors, accurate psychic predictions may more likely be made.

The less biased any given object, person, or energy is, the less accurate or probable a prediction will be because the momentum in time is not very great. It's similar to Heisenberg's principle where the more you know about where something (in Heisenberg's case, a particle) is going, the less you know where it currently is, and the more you know where it is, the less you know where its going.

If that makes any sense to you.

[123]

thanks for that response, yea that made sense

[Captain Drywall]

I have a theory that explains how say god, could see the future

imagine god is omnipresent, he's in the future, and the past at the same time.
in fact time has no hold on god. or goddess or dog or whatever you choose.

so then god dosent know what you are going to do. god knows what you did.

[icutoffheads]

i shrank myself down to 1/1000th the size of a proton. i watched the protons and electrons and neutrons spin rotate and behave like planets and solar systems and galaxies. i watched a beautiful process take place at that level. it seemed to take the earth equivalent of days and days. i grew back to my original size and found that from this perspective the very same process happens so fast that we can't say it's happened at all.

i traveled and grew myself to be 1/1000th the size of a galaxy. i danced on suns and planet rings. i watched processes take place at that level. it was beautiful and seemed to take place over the earth equivalent of days and days. i shrank myself back down and traveled back home to earth where i found that same process takes billions and billions of years.

i returned to the galaxies and looked down on earth to find that our "process" has already happened and it happened so fast, in the blink of an eye.

i disconnected and realized that the past present and the future are all simultaneously happening right this very moment. it just depends on your perspective. the future has already happened. the past never vanishes. i realized its not about time. time doesn't exist. its about perception.

your path is laid out in an infinite landscape of possibilities that you happen to move through in one direct line. there are an infinite number of realities. what are you going to focus on? which possibility do you want to experience?

[nicbrahms]

The more information I receive from my future self, which in fact is now, just another reality created from copious possibilities and probabilities, that the future feeds to the present. I imagine the end result of my experience is known with each and every decision I make and then the now must alter to support it.

Quite difficult to express. I am now convinced the future is what determines the present. Not the way we are used to thinking about it, linear horizontal time.

There is evidence the future resounds into the present or the past, prior to the 9/11 attacks, random event generators all over the world began going off the scales the evening before and then the attack happened the following day.

There is no clear cut answers anymore, myriad and unlimited possibilities exist even in our suppositions about this.

I am, however, completely convinced that my future is the cause of my feelings in the present. I believe that I am aligned with the future of choice.

It is exciting and exceedingly amazing and enthralling watching it unravel. Truly.

Love and light

Nic

[wolfgang]

Is everything predetermined already, meaning if something is supposed to happen it will happen no matter what or do we create things ?

everything is predetermined.

free will is part of the illusion of believing in a separate self.

creating things is more of this illusion. if you try to think a certain way to have something happen - it is really a predetermined sequence that you live through. you get to feel like what you do or think is your thinking - but that is the trick of the separate self going about believing in separation from ONE. which is all fine. no reason to try to stop thinking or make decisions - all that is also part of what unfolds.

sometimes I wonder that we have one choice. to pretend we have free will and a separate self - or to realize our true nature in ONE that is completely entwined with ONE such that everything runs a coarse that can only go the way it goes.

But we don't really have that choice to snap out of the trance of the self. I mean, to be enlightened is not something the self can choose because it means dropping away of the self that wishes to be ONE. So - no choice there either.

now some will say it's a powerless way of thinking - that to say it's all predetermined turns you into a meaningless cog in a senseless dream. I think we have it backwards a lot in this respect. The powerless way of thinking is when we go about pretending we are this separate self that has free will and power. That has no power - just illusion and maybe even frustration if the world doesn't line up with your "free will". So the real power is in totally letting go of the separate self - which I have no idea how to choose to do that. Although it does seem possible to work on letting go. I can remind the thinking to calm down and listen more.

[learningwarrior]

There is a force which acts on us and pressures us and all things or nonthings in the universe. The goal of psychics and sorcerers and shamans and visualizers and meditators and medicine men and medicine women and all the rest of us is to learn to control it, to sharpen our connection with this magnificent force and to have enough energy to alter its flow if even for a moment to create a desired result.

So we are always here feeling the pressure at one time or another of this immensity baring down our backs and the few of us who have the integrity and energy to be aware and break its control over us do alter the flow of our own life and in the process alter others.

[MysticGirl]

Free will is an illusion. The future is set in stone. Everything is predetermined, predictable and very well planned.

[joelr]

Randomness is built into the fabric of reality. This is actually the thing Einstein was protesting when he said "God does not play dice". But he was proven wrong.

Everything in nature is about probabilities. So how could everything be predetermined?
Even 1 small change can evolve into a huge change according to Chaos theory.
You could have 100 quadrillion or 10^100 quadrillion universes that started out with the same laws that we have and still they would all be different somewhere.

[Captain Drywall]

How about this. You see things, but your mind dosent let you really focus on them. You have way to much going on to see everything, every smell everything you touch. The movie sherlock Holmes really shows this in the restaurant scene. But later that night, your subconscious mind. Who does see everything goes over it and goes over it, adds up the clues and thinks, someone is going to be fired. The little things you ignore all day add up to it. and you dream it and it happens.

[icutoffheads]

I'm not so sure i believe everything is predetermined already. if so then why am i, or any of you here on an intention manifestation forum? why even attempt to "manifest" if its all planned already?

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by icutoffheads

I'm not so sure i believe everything is predetermined already. if so then why am i, or any of you here on an intention manifestation forum? why even attempt to "manifest" if its all planned already?

I like this question. Having it all panned already doesn't mean we know what it is going to be or that we can't run around in our heads about what we want. I usually think of manifestation as a tunning into what is already there for you to walk into that will happen. When you sit down and visualize or do some technique that is still the brain/computer doing something in response to the path that is running. The path doesn't change but it seems like our brain or thought system is doing it. Our "free will" is not the cause. The cause is the universe or source or whatever you want to call it - god. Working on your issues and meditating and doing visualizations comes to you when the path is there for you. then you go and do it as it seems like you are in control of deciding to take on some discipline to do these techniques - but the brain is only doing after being.

How did anyone get into manifestation? They were presented with the idea. Was that their free will to run into that material? OK, maybe some stumble into the realization of manifestation without external material. But how did they see it? They had to be witness to what is unfolding in their life and see how how they "vibrate" is also how manifestation goes. They are in lock step - your vibe and manifestation. Is your vibe under your control? Really? Not really. It's just that it appears to be so in the brain - which is fine. That is something we get to pretend we do, that we are the cause. And it doesn't really matter if we think or know we are not the cause, because when we do something like a technique, sure it feels like we are doing it - but it is the spirit of the moment showing up in us that has us going about sitting down to meditate. We don't control all that - it comes to us and we do it and think we got to choose that. Like, as soon as we try to think we control it all and can exert something to change our vibe - we are actually just following something that was set up for us to experience and we experience it.

What is your next thought going to be? You have no idea really.

Can you choose to be enlightened? No. Otherwise everyone would have ended their suffering as a choice and become an awakened one.

Well, I just write as if it could be true that there is no free will because somehow it makes sense to me. So I try to explain it that way. However I usually also have this feeling that we do have the choice to ignore the fact that we have no free will and screw up being. That to think we have free will is the only choice we have and to make that choice creates all the suffering. As soon as we can give up thinking we are at the cause of manifestation and let go and BE - then we go about doing what the path is for us. But even that part about pretending we have a choice and seeing how much suffering that causes is part of the destined path it seems. hahahaha!!!

[jeff3]

Originally Posted by 123

Is everything predetermined already, meaning if something is supposed to happen it will happen no matter what or do we create things ?

The reason I ask is because most of the time when I wake up I write down my dreams from the night before and things in my dreams occur throughout the day. It's not really the exact things that occur, but more of the feeling that I had during a dream, I get the same thing during the day towards something.

For example I had a dream about someone new being hired at my job the other day and I come in to work and a new person just started the morning after my dream. I'm sure this was planned weeks in advance, this person got interviewed, but I wasn't told this and the day before they start I have this dream of someone new at work.

One possibility is that because we are all interconnected you are simply picking up the info from the idea-sphere and it shows up in your dreams.

Another is that the dreams are actually precognitive and picking up on events that have happened in the future, further along the time line.

Personally I believe we do make choices that effect our future, but we must consider the possibility of multiple, concurrent realities, that contain the results of different decisions.

This subject boggles the minds of our best thinkers, past, present, and probably future (of course).

[pjhaggerty]

You can't prove predetermination one way or another. Might as well believe it's not predetermined. It's more fun that way.

If you're having trouble with the dreams and stuff, you could decide to assume you created the things that happen. or you could assume it's a coincidence.

You also have no way of proving that your dream matched the situation that happened. It could be a mental fluke of bad memory, associating two similiar things that actually weren't the same at all but were similiar enough for you to think they were, looking back on it.

Either way, you need to decide upon a belief system that fits everything you've experienced so far so you can be at peace with the world. There are several choices out there.