controlling other people

[nicbrahms]

Originally Posted by rei

@Arboretor: i think i've had actual experiences of other realities/timelines either merging with this one or collapsing, and the aspect of myself moving into this one. for me, this happens as moments of suddenly having much clearer physical vision - like a moment of things having a hyperreal quality to them, and there is a feeling that goes along with it, similar in some ways to the feeling of deja vu or the feeling that comes with a synchonicity.

@NicBrahms: okay, yes. you are free to make your own choices about this, i've simply shared my own view about it. i also see everyone as a reflection of me, but i don't see myself as sole creator - i see myself as a co-creator, which is different. if you are in the habit of attaching something about the highest good of all involved to an intention, that speaks to the same idea.

and perhaps, if you had had the sort of experiences i have had, where i see all too clearly just how powerful i am, where there was a potential for harm involved, you might better understand where i am coming from. i'm not saying you have had no experiences related to this theme, but i am saying they were probably not to the extreme of my own experience. i just don't find it personally responsible for someone who is in touch with that level of power to NOT consider the free will/highest good of other aspects of Oneself.

I don't understand this, are you saying that I am not whole? I am the full aspected me and to be acting in my highest good or the higest good of all is all for my benefit, for their benefit, for my benefit for the benefit of our creator.

I can see and feel the power within and know fully what I and all are capable of, whether in my subjective reality or in their own.

But my point is that it has never and would never enter my head to hurt another, I live a pretty innocous life and don't think thoughts like that and would never need to think that to know about the power within me.

I may have had experiences more powerful than you, unfair to presuppose you are unique in that.

Peace out to you Rei and you are right that each of us be allowed to be as we choose to be.

Love and light

Nic

[moonrambler]

This discussion reminds me of the contrasting theories of subjective reality, where everybody is all one, and solipsism, where one person is everything and nothing else really exists. I assume in solipsism, any sort of remote influencing doesn't matter, because nothing exists except the creator.

I get too confused with all this sort of thing

[Arboretor]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

I get too confused with all this sort of thing

Make sure then you don't read the neighboring thread about 'busting loose from the money game'

[rei]

no, Nic, i wasn't saying you are not the whole aspected you. or i didn't mean to be saying that. and you're right, i did make an assumption, but usually it takes something less innocuous for many to develop this perspective (especially if it doesn't just come from personal morals based on theory, which is easy to hold onto if you choose - in my own case, it is not coming from a sense of morality, or not in that black/white sense of the word, because i don't ultimately think any action is objectively wrong - this is the understanding i have come to based on my experiences and intuitive understanding). so i said that based on my experience and understanding, but i fully own the fact that it was an assumption. i'm okay with being human, i hope you can respect that...

what i was saying is that there is a part of my consciousness that will probably not fit into my 3d form permanently, because it vibrates too quickly to stick in a 3d/4d structure, it comes in, it visits, i can call it to me for connection and to glean extra info, i can call it to me to bring me closer to my authentic vibratory rate if it has fallen, but the physics of the metaphysics are such that it won't be here, in my body, permanently until the rate of vibration for this environment has shifted more.

it is this part of me that won't fit that i was referring to. it is not that it isn't also me, but i usually don't have full, complete, conscious access to the whole of its wisdom. if you know about the process of channeling, how the channeled being has to alter its energy - often leaving part of its wisdom out in the ether to communicate through a 3d vessel (human form) - then you can understand what i'm getting at here.

of course we are all powerful co-creators. and we are all creators of our subjective reality. but i am not in full control of other aspects of Self, they contain part of me and i contain part of them, but they live in their own subjective reality too. when they cross my path, our realities are meeting - i don't personally believe that means they don't also have some sort of 'separate' existence (though, at an ultimate level, we're all One and always will be).

i guess we are working with different schools of thought on this. apparently we planned it this way but for the record, i did not have any intention of my response to you being seen as offensive or insulting. i'm not assuming it did, but i am offering that just in case.

p.s. sometimes i find it quite difficult to articulate these concepts and understandings in a linear way. the frequent result is me feeling it isn't as clear as it could be. perhaps that comes with the territory, or shows a deficit in my ability to communicate. but i did notice this pattern and wanted to acknowledge it in case i wasn't being clear.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by Arboretor

Make sure then you don't read the neighboring thread about 'busting loose from the money game'

Yeah, I've been keeping up with that one too However, I have not read the book!

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by nicbrahms

She may say something vocally but what is she thinking?

I'm going to tell you a little bit more about the story. I didn't tell Anagogy this part, because at that time, neither my wife nor I knew it ourselves.

Later on, my wife learned from one of her ex-colleagues the time at which the glass door had shattered. (The CCTV footage reflects the time the glass door shattered). I then asked my wife - "Do you remember what you were doing at that time?".

She did remember. It had been a Sunday afternoon, around 3 pm. At that time she had been attending a mass session at a Buddhist temple. It's like a few hundred people seated together in a hall, doing chanting etc. There's a lot of free energy released and swirling around at these sessions - if you are sensitive to this kind of thing, you can easily feel it. And you can tap into it for your own purposes too.

During this session, my wife was doing her own visualisation. She wanted to know why she had lost her job (there were some odd circumstances in the sitruation).

So she visualised herself "travelling" to the office, in a forceful, no-nonsense mood, "penetrating" through the glass door, "flying" through the corridors, straight to her boss's room. She then visualised herself fiercely demanding an explanation from her boss, as to why she had been retrenched.

During this session, she also picked up the impression that as she was "speaking" to her boss, he was in some kind of pain and he was raising his hands to shield himself from her, as if her presence was causing him agony.

Now, it was around the time she visualised herself passing through the glass door, that the actual, physical glass door in the office really shattered, into bits.

And I wonder - who know? - perhaps her boss, in real life, also suddenly suffered from real, actual, inexplicable pain, as a result of her visualisation. That's why my wife "saw" him, in her visualisation, as being in pain, raising his hands to shield himself etc etc.

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Both my wife and I use the LOA all the time. We both achieve a lot of results with it. But we both know that there are key differences in how the LOA works for us.

(I believe that actually, there are unique features in the way that the LOA works for every person, because none of us think in exactly the same way.)

My wife has got a lot of raw power, but not that much control. I have much more skill and subtlety, much less raw power.

Her manifestations tend to take place in a "bulldozer" fashion (SMACK! Glass door gets shattered and falls to bits). Whereas mine tend to take place like a highly choreographed dance piece (several odd little coincidences linking up synchronistically to produce the desired outcome).

The thing for her is that she's got to watch out for the unintended consequences that unfold together with her intended results.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by nicbrahms

I may have had experiences more powerful than you, unfair to presuppose you are unique in that.

Both of you (Rei and NicBrahms) have got quite powerful experiences. Not the same kind, but powerful nonetheless.

I say this, because I've read all the posts by both of you. Rei, more than NicBrahms (because Rei has been around on these forums longer than NicBrahms) ....

But from all the posts, enough to know that both of you have different, yet powerful experiences.

[themaster]

Aha.. a interesting tidbit to the story

It's too bad your wife couldn't have viewed the experience as a creation.. rather than a victim.. as the story seems to imply.. everyone's in pain.. her boss, her, you, me.. we all are.. it's how we treat that pain that defines us

BTW the circumstances of this story.. change the nature of the label for me.. if I were to label it I would call that more LOA or creation.. that's not karma energy..

[nicbrahms]

Rei

Okay there maybe other you's in other realities but you are the only you. The only other aspect of you is the higher self of you that is a broader part of you that may possibly tie in with other versions of you.

I just asked my spirit guide and was told that my spirit guide is uniquely mine and each version of me has its own higher self. They tie together at some other dimension but too far off for us to comprehend.

So therefore you are the only unique you enjoying this experience you have made unique. You are complete in what you are as you stand with your higher self a part of you.

I would hate to think that I was not complete, I accept we are all one, as a part of GOD, but we are all complete and whole too.

ALG

I agree with the master on that your wife is creating using LOA and nothing about any of it is karma or black magic.

I respect everyones views and sometimes when I read something and it makes me feel odd inside I know it is completely wrong and my spirit guide starts champing at the bit to try and put the right story out, sometimes I give in and allow myself to type away but I think part of allowing in the LOA is that each person should be allowed to grow spiritually and find their own truth their own way.

On that note I will be more mindful of coming across too strong and always trying to get my version out as I know I can be headstrong.

So peace to all and your views are entirely your right to express, I hope we can continue in our joyful, learning and enlightening debtates as always.

Love, light and much luck to you all.


Nic Brahms

[rei]

Originally Posted by nicbrahms

Rei

Okay there maybe other you's in other realities but you are the only you. The only other aspect of you is the higher self of you that is a broader part of you that may possibly tie in with other versions of you.

I just asked my spirit guide and was told that my spirit guide is uniquely mine and each version of me has its own higher self. They tie together at some other dimension but too far off for us to comprehend.

So therefore you are the only unique you enjoying this experience you have made unique. You are complete in what you are as you stand with your higher self a part of you.

I would hate to think that I was not complete, I accept we are all one, as a part of GOD, but we are all complete and whole too.

ALG

I agree with the master on that your wife is creating using LOA and nothing about any of it is karma or black magic.

I respect everyones views and sometimes when I read something and it makes me feel odd inside I know it is completely wrong and my spirit guide starts champing at the bit to try and put the right story out, sometimes I give in and allow myself to type away but I think part of allowing in the LOA is that each person should be allowed to grow spiritually and find their own truth their own way.

On that note I will be more mindful of coming across too strong and always trying to get my version out as I know I can be headstrong.

So peace to all and your views are entirely your right to express, I hope we can continue in our joyful, learning and enlightening debtates as always.

Love, light and much luck to you all.


Nic Brahms

i am always so fascinated when two people who have a team of spirit guides and some form of metaphysical communication ability end up sharing different things. absolutely fascinating. one reason i continued mentioning my perspective is out of a similar inner calling to share it.

higher self doesn't always stay outside of us though, in some cases things unfold in such a way (and the rates of vibration are such) that the higher self enters into us and sets up residence for the endurance of the incarnation. i also don't really think the subtle realms are too far off to comprehend, or i don't feel that is true for me. i think it is more a case of finding adequate ways to comprehend it and communicate about it, ways that don't lose too much of the truth as we convert it into a slower vibration.

i didn't mean to suggest we are not whole or complete. as an individual aspect of Oneself, we are whole and complete and perfection. but i do know there is that 'stuff' that ties us all together, which i am part of but don't always have conscious access to, and that is what i have been talking about. i don't mean we aren't complete already, just that there is even more to our completeness than what we're fully conscious of. it is like the conscious individual self is complete as-is, but the conscious individual self also has energy that exists in a higher rate of vibration. both the individual self and the additional energy have a direct line to Source... see, having trouble articulating it...

so maybe it is an issue of conscious awareness. there is the individual aspect, which is whole and complete as it is, and there is also additional energy outside of one's conscious awareness, which typically has easier access to context and the big picture. we can bring those additional ideas forward consciously, but this additional energy has it in mind/heart always. this context, in my understanding, is what becomes considered when we intend for the highest good of all involved. sometimes the highest good is a pleasantly uneventful journey from A to B, sometimes it is the highest good to attract something else. our additional energy would know this more easily, since it has a broader view of things. we have that direct line to Source as well, but we're often less likely to remember our Akashic records and our soul lessons we chose prior to incarnation. this additional energy has instant access to both.

not sure i would say this is the higher self, though that is part of it. even when a specific aspect has things set up for the higher self to be indwelled for the remainder of the incarnation, there is still that additional energy that doesn't fit in the 3d/4d form. it is part of us, but we're typically not always *consciously* connected to it. doesn't mean the connection isn't there, only means it's often under the surface.

so we are whole, we are complete, and part of that wholeness is happening under the surface or deep within us or during dreamtime. in those moments we consciously connect with the part of us that doesn't fit in our 3d/4d vessel. but the connection and completion is there whether we're fully aware of it or not. this is my own understanding, based on teachings and guidance and where my awareness came from.

@ALG: you are right, i can also see that everyone here has had various types of powerful experiences, including Nic. i didn't mean to imply hers were less powerful, i merely meant to imply that some types of powerful experience often lead us to reassess our priorities and our perspective on something, if we see that we really do manifest what we intend and don't actually want to harm anyone. i can certainly tell Nic is powerful too though, and i don't see her as someone who has a desire to harm other beings.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by nicbrahms

Bottom line is if you believe in free will then you know it can not be messed with (thats what free will is, it is supposedly God's law), so it will prevail.

Free will isn't such a straightforward matter. Simple example - the addict who really wants to stop smoking, but cannot.

Also, people operate with varying degrees of clarity and decisiveness, with respect to different matters in their lives.

For example, if a person is a committed vegetarian, it will be difficult to influence him into ordering a steak at the restaurant.

On the other hand, most people's minds, on any matter, operate in a certain range of possibilities. Eg the person's top favourite might be broccoli, but he is open to tomatoes and carrots, and he usually avoids potatoes, but is not entirely adverse. So here there is room to influence him away from broccoli (if for whatever reason, you really want him to eat potatoes, or tomatoes, or carrots, instead of broccoli).

That was a trivial example ... but you can see how it could extend to other less-trivial examples.

[nicbrahms]

Originally Posted by rei

i am always so fascinated when two people who have a team of spirit guides and some form of metaphysical communication ability end up sharing different things. absolutely fascinating. one reason i continued mentioning my perspective is out of a similar inner calling to share it.

higher self doesn't always stay outside of us though, in some cases things unfold in such a way (and the rates of vibration are such) that the higher self enters into us and sets up residence for the endurance of the incarnation. i also don't really think the subtle realms are too far off to comprehend, or i don't feel that is true for me. i think it is more a case of finding adequate ways to comprehend it and communicate about it, ways that don't lose too much of the truth as we convert it into a slower vibration.

i didn't mean to suggest we are not whole or complete. as an individual aspect of Oneself, we are whole and complete and perfection. but i do know there is that 'stuff' that ties us all together, which i am part of but don't always have conscious access to, and that is what i have been talking about. i don't mean we aren't complete already, just that there is even more to our completeness than what we're fully conscious of. it is like the conscious individual self is complete as-is, but the conscious individual self also has energy that exists in a higher rate of vibration. both the individual self and the additional energy have a direct line to Source... see, having trouble articulating it...

so maybe it is an issue of conscious awareness. there is the individual aspect, which is whole and complete as it is, and there is also additional energy outside of one's conscious awareness, which typically has easier access to context and the big picture. we can bring those additional ideas forward consciously, but this additional energy has it in mind/heart always. this context, in my understanding, is what becomes considered when we intend for the highest good of all involved. sometimes the highest good is a pleasantly uneventful journey from A to B, sometimes it is the highest good to attract something else. our additional energy would know this more easily, since it has a broader view of things. we have that direct line to Source as well, but we're often less likely to remember our Akashic records and our soul lessons we chose prior to incarnation. this additional energy has instant access to both.

not sure i would say this is the higher self, though that is part of it. even when a specific aspect has things set up for the higher self to be indwelled for the remainder of the incarnation, there is still that additional energy that doesn't fit in the 3d/4d form. it is part of us, but we're typically not always *consciously* connected to it. doesn't mean the connection isn't there, only means it's often under the surface.

so we are whole, we are complete, and part of that wholeness is happening under the surface or deep within us or during dreamtime. in those moments we consciously connect with the part of us that doesn't fit in our 3d/4d vessel. but the connection and completion is there whether we're fully aware of it or not. this is my own understanding, based on teachings and guidance and where my awareness came from.

@ALG: you are right, i can also see that everyone here has had various types of powerful experiences, including Nic. i didn't mean to imply hers were less powerful, i merely meant to imply that some types of powerful experience often lead us to reassess our priorities and our perspective on something, if we see that we really do manifest what we intend and don't actually want to harm anyone. i can certainly tell Nic is powerful too though, and i don't see her as someone who has a desire to harm other beings.

Rei my dear I feel your consternation at being taken the wrong way with what you said.

Forget it, I know that you didn't mean it like that.

Love and light

Nic Brahms