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bunnyman · 01-05-2010, 09:55 PM

It's not that the old meds are getting weaker, drug developers say. It's as if the placebo effect is somehow getting stronger.

I am going to find a way to invest in these new improved placebos!

cylon · 01-05-2010, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bunnyman

I am going to find a way to invest in these new improved placebos!

Finally, a breakthrough in placebo technology!

This is actually pretty funny.

MacFly · 01-05-2010, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cylon

Finally, a breakthrough in placebo technology!

This is actually pretty funny.

the problem is, I can't fool myself with placebos. If a doctor gives me a pill it's okay, but I can't use it on myself.

cylon · 01-05-2010, 10:13 PM

You can, you just choose not to develop that ability.

Silenced140 · 01-06-2010, 12:54 AM

Use mental healing, screw the placebo, you don't even need placebo pills. Vitamins are the only pills you really need.

If i have a stomach ache, i just understand and review that im fully in control of my body. Every single part.

So then i choose to be feeling good, and my subconscious will take over.

Really, learn about the subconscious mind, if you know how to harness it, it basically puts the Law of Attraction on steroids.

themaster · 01-06-2010, 06:42 AM

I think lately.. crystals = little better then the placebo effect.. here you have a metaphysical/new age idea that has merit and types etc. and you boost by instead of taking a pill.. using a crystal

You can also check out a movie.. my teacher recommended recently called "Water: The Great Mystery" which documents effects of mind over matter *cough* water..

moonrambler · 01-06-2010, 03:47 PM

Excellent article -- thanks for posting that. I'm fascinated by the placebo effect/response.

Like this: Allergan's Botox reduces migraine headache days | Reuters

"In one 679-patient trial, patients injected with Botox had headaches on 7.8 fewer days each month, compared with a drop of 6.4 days in the placebo group. In a second trial involving 705 migraine sufferers, Botox-treated patients had nine fewer headache days compared with a drop of 6.7 days for the placebo group."

So doctors are prescribing Botox because patients have a significant drop in headache frequency, but the FDA won't approve the treatment and most insurance companies won't cover it because it isn't much better than the placebo effect.

This is fascinating, that people with migraines can get this much relief from either a placebo or Botox injections. That's a pretty hefty result they got there.

torilink · 01-06-2010, 03:57 PM

Thanks for the link.

moonrambler · 04-20-2010, 05:19 PM

Some of you are aware that we're collecting study results related to LoA or IM to put in the sticky up top, and good placebo results are in that category. I ran across one today:

Lycopene inhibits disease progression in patients ... [J Nutr. 2008]

This one looked at a nutritional treatment for benign prostate enlargement.

"Whereas progression of prostate enlargement occurred in the placebo group . . . the prostate did not enlarge in the lycopene group. Symptoms of the disease, as assessed via the International Prostate Symptom Score questionnaire, were improved in both groups with a significantly greater effect in men taking lycopene supplements."

Why did symptoms improve in the placebo group, even while the physical disorder was getting worse?

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01-05-2010, 10:13 PM	#4 (permalink)
cylon Family Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 6,852	You can, you just choose not to develop that ability.

01-06-2010, 12:54 AM	#5 (permalink)
Silenced140 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 443	Use mental healing, screw the placebo, you don't even need placebo pills. Vitamins are the only pills you really need. If i have a stomach ache, i just understand and review that im fully in control of my body. Every single part. So then i choose to be feeling good, and my subconscious will take over. Really, learn about the subconscious mind, if you know how to harness it, it basically puts the Law of Attraction on steroids.

01-06-2010, 06:42 AM	#6 (permalink)
themaster Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: I'm a traveler everywhere and nowhere.. currently in Denver.. where else? Posts: 3,618	I think lately.. crystals = little better then the placebo effect.. here you have a metaphysical/new age idea that has merit and types etc. and you boost by instead of taking a pill.. using a crystal You can also check out a movie.. my teacher recommended recently called "Water: The Great Mystery" which documents effects of mind over matter cough water..

01-06-2010, 03:47 PM	#7 (permalink)
moonrambler Family Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: N.E. Wisconsin Posts: 3,473	Excellent article -- thanks for posting that. I'm fascinated by the placebo effect/response. Like this: Allergan's Botox reduces migraine headache days \| Reuters "In one 679-patient trial, patients injected with Botox had headaches on 7.8 fewer days each month, compared with a drop of 6.4 days in the placebo group. In a second trial involving 705 migraine sufferers, Botox-treated patients had nine fewer headache days compared with a drop of 6.7 days for the placebo group." So doctors are prescribing Botox because patients have a significant drop in headache frequency, but the FDA won't approve the treatment and most insurance companies won't cover it because it isn't much better than the placebo effect. This is fascinating, that people with migraines can get this much relief from either a placebo or Botox injections. That's a pretty hefty result they got there.

01-06-2010, 03:57 PM	#8 (permalink)
torilink Family Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,123	Thanks for the link.

04-20-2010, 05:19 PM	#9 (permalink)
moonrambler Family Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: N.E. Wisconsin Posts: 3,473	Some of you are aware that we're collecting study results related to LoA or IM to put in the sticky up top, and good placebo results are in that category. I ran across one today: Lycopene inhibits disease progression in patients ... [J Nutr. 2008] This one looked at a nutritional treatment for benign prostate enlargement. "Whereas progression of prostate enlargement occurred in the placebo group . . . the prostate did not enlarge in the lycopene group. Symptoms of the disease, as assessed via the International Prostate Symptom Score questionnaire, were improved in both groups with a significantly greater effect in men taking lycopene supplements." Why did symptoms improve in the placebo group, even while the physical disorder was getting worse?

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