Is LOA contradict with Magnet Theory?

[TINHAMOTIC]

Dear all,

After more than a year or two knowing the Law of Attraction, I have a question that always pop up in my mind.
If I am not wrong, in Law of Attraction, positive vibrations attact positive outcomes or results. Negative vibrations in our mind will attact negative outcome. In other words + attacts + and - attacts - .

This is different from the magnet. Magnet has north and south pole. The north pole attacts the south pole. In other words, the + side of the magnet attacts the - side. Same as the electron and proton. Electron - attacts proton + and there neutralized. Correct me if I am wrong.

Thus, the nature and Law of Attaction may be contradictory.
That maybe one of the reason I have doubts about LOA and can't apply it.

[Melchior]

Doubting a law doesn't make it nonexistent. Besides, there's more laws to the universe than LoA (if it exists) or Magnet theory (if it exists ). For example, with gravity, mass attracts mass, and there may be other things that we haven't formally discovered yet as well... Please don't tell me you have doubts about gravity.

Actually, if you want to know my explanation for LoA, check out the thread here.

[OlderWiser]

The "Law of Attraction" is just a way of describing something. It's not physics. There are plenty of ways to frame LOA (personally, I prefer the phrase Reality Creation) that don't have the whole "magnetic" aspect. I've always found that a little weird, too, but it's only symbolic, not literal.

[TINHAMOTIC]

Originally Posted by Melchior

Doubting a law doesn't make it nonexistent. Besides, there's more laws to the universe than LoA (if it exists) or Magnet theory (if it exists ). For example, with gravity, mass attracts mass, and there may be other things that we haven't formally discovered yet as well... Please don't tell me you have doubts about gravity.

Actually, if you want to know my explanation for LoA, check out the thread here.

I did read through a few posts from your thread. The link between quantum entanglement and LOA might be related. However, the connection between 2 matters or even 2 types of imagination does not necessary be positive and positive. It can be one matter or vibration which is positive and their other is negative.

Has anyone thought of something bad and creates bad vibration, but something good happened thereafter? For example, someone thought that we couldn't pay off the bills. He kept on thinking of the bills and he is very stressful. As a result he worked harder and at last he managed to paid off the bills.

On the other hand, I never doubt of gravity as it is very obvious and is scientifically proven. As for magnet, it is also proven that north pole attracts south pole. There are many things in the world that opposite thing attacts their other.
Why is Law of Attraction so special? I also hope to obtain a good answer to convince myself and eliminate the doubts. Thank you.

[OlderWiser]

Originally Posted by TINHAMOTIC

Why is Law of Attraction so special?

As noted, it's not literal. The whole concept of "vibrations" and "attraction" and so forth is just a model. It's not literally a magnet.

[Melchior]

Originally Posted by TINHAMOTIC

I did read through a few posts from your thread. The link between quantum entanglement and LOA might be related. However, the connection between 2 matters or even 2 types of imagination does not necessary be positive and positive. It can be one matter or vibration which is positive and their other is negative.

Ah, I see, I generally stay away from calling anything positive or negative, per se, because it's not that it's necessarily positive or negative, it's that the two things are similar, you might like to call it correlation instead. In the mechanism I proposed, which is really just some consequence of QM, this correlation is described by entanglement.

Why is Law of Attraction so special? I also hope to obtain a good answer to convince myself and eliminate the doubts. Thank you.

Nothing is special (metaphorically and literally ). However, different things are certainly unique from one another.

[TINHAMOTIC]

Originally Posted by OlderWiser

As noted, it's not literal. The whole concept of "vibrations" and "attraction" and so forth is just a model. It's not literally a magnet.

Thank you for the information. Yes, I understand that it is not literally a magnet. In fact, LOA can't consider as physics.
I just want to know the logic behind LOA. In a way, the result maybe their other way if we don't find the logic. There are many things in the nature that are correlate.

Just as Melchior mentioned between QE and LOA maybe correlated. Yes, it is but will it be if someone thinking of something and it appears the opposite since there are many things in the nature seems to attract something of the opposite side.

[Ekb]

I felt compelled to create something that hopefully consoles your head! If not, it was fun for me to make

[TINHAMOTIC]

Originally Posted by Melchior

Ah, I see, I generally stay away from calling anything positive or negative, per se, because it's not that it's necessarily positive or negative, it's that the two things are similar, you might like to call it correlation instead. In the mechanism I proposed, which is really just some consequence of QM, this correlation is described by entanglement.


Nothing is special (metaphorically and literally ). However, different things are certainly unique from one another.

Yes, different things are unique from one another but the probability of getting something unique maybe lower than someone usually found.

Well, just to put a note that I am not against Law of Attraction. In fact, I find it to be extreme useful if it is proven or logically explained. I read quite some information about LOA. Most of them teach about the application and very little information about why LOA works. Some even quoted or asked readers to think about magnet attracting something. As I read about the word magnet, I started to think that it may not be logical.
I have read that the world is interdependence and I fully agree with that. Interdependence does not mean that if you think in a certain way or positive thinking creates positive results. It maybe their way since there are many nature things that are in this way.

[Melchior]

Maybe you'd be interested in contributing to the theory then?

[TINHAMOTIC]

Originally Posted by Ekb

I felt compelled to create something that hopefully consoles your head! If not, it was fun for me to make
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Thank you very much for the diagram.

[TINHAMOTIC]

Originally Posted by Melchior

Maybe you'd be interested in contributing to the theory then?

As of now, I still couldn't find anything solid that can contribute to the theory. If I can, I wouldn't be so frustrating thinking about the logic behind LOA.

[Melchior]

Originally Posted by TINHAMOTIC

As of now, I still couldn't find anything solid that can contribute to the theory. If I can, I wouldn't be so frustrating thinking about the logic behind LOA.

My suggestion would be to read up on modern physics, but that's just me...

[TINHAMOTIC]

Originally Posted by Melchior

My suggestion would be to read up on modern physics, but that's just me...

Thanks for your suggestion. It is very useful.
Just a thought, do you think that LOA maybe something that can't be explained by physics as yet? Or the universe will give what we think? This sounds like there is a strong power outside or even inside us that provide something we think. However, this is just a kind of thinking. The logic isn't there. Too bad.

[funnyav]

Resonance is a much better way of describing it than magnetic pull is :P

[TINHAMOTIC]

Originally Posted by funnyav

Resonance is a much better way of describing it than magnetic pull is :P

Is the similar resonance attacts each other?

[funnyav]

not really. if you have two metal pipes hanging next to each other, and when you hit them they both sound the same, if you hit one, the other will vibrate too. The same goes for guitar strings tuned the same (or an octave higher or lower). that is called resonance. Resonance > Resonate > re [back] sonare [sound]. I believe the word Resound exists in English too :P

Attraction in the physics sense doesn't really have much to do with it, they just use that word because the stuff comes at you, into your experience, as if by magic, effortlessly. It HAPPENS. It occurs.
By some mechanism (imo it's the unconscious mind) you are making it a lot more likely for the events to occur, and you have to truly want it (not just your shallow false self) for your entire brain-mind to be involved in attracting it (controlling your conscious actions etc in ways that will attract your desired effect).

Does that make sense? =D

[TINHAMOTIC]

Originally Posted by funnyav

not really. if you have two metal pipes hanging next to each other, and when you hit them they both sound the same, if you hit one, the other will vibrate too. The same goes for guitar strings tuned the same (or an octave higher or lower). that is called resonance. Resonance > Resonate > re [back] sonare [sound]. I believe the word Resound exists in English too :P

Attraction in the physics sense doesn't really have much to do with it, they just use that word because the stuff comes at you, into your experience, as if by magic, effortlessly. It HAPPENS. It occurs.
By some mechanism (imo it's the unconscious mind) you are making it a lot more likely for the events to occur, and you have to truly want it (not just your shallow false self) for your entire brain-mind to be involved in attracting it (controlling your conscious actions etc in ways that will attract your desired effect).

Does that make sense? =D

Yes, I started to agree with you. It makes sense but I still need to think again and maybe read a bit more about reasonance before really concluding it inside my mind. Thanks.

[wolfgang]

If you think of the magnetic field lines flowing from north to south:

You can realize that the attraction is present when the magnetic lines are running in the same direction and replusion when the lines are opposing.

A north pole attracts a south pole because the magnetic field lines run in the same direction when they are pointing at each other. Conversely, a north pole pointing at a north pole creates a situation where the field lines are running opposite each other.

There is still a "like attracts like" but what is alike are the lines of the field not the poles.

I think also it's this way with the law of attraction: the attraction is about the "field" not the "poles". Where the field is one's being and poles is one's ego (as abstract as that analogy is).

[MacFly]

The universe only works in one way. Some people have a completely false belief about it, others have more accurate beliefs, but almost everybody interprets it a lil' bit differently.

But the universe doesn't know what "gravity" is. Or the "law of attraction". It just works the way it works silently.

[funnyav]

haha, that's what I wanted to say but couldn't find the right words... thanks macfly =D

[Melchior]

Originally Posted by funnyav

not really. if you have two metal pipes hanging next to each other, and when you hit them they both sound the same, if you hit one, the other will vibrate too. The same goes for guitar strings tuned the same (or an octave higher or lower). that is called resonance. Resonance > Resonate > re [back] sonare [sound]. I believe the word Resound exists in English too :P

Attraction in the physics sense doesn't really have much to do with it, they just use that word because the stuff comes at you, into your experience, as if by magic, effortlessly. It HAPPENS. It occurs.
By some mechanism (imo it's the unconscious mind) you are making it a lot more likely for the events to occur, and you have to truly want it (not just your shallow false self) for your entire brain-mind to be involved in attracting it (controlling your conscious actions etc in ways that will attract your desired effect).

Does that make sense? =D

I wonder if some form of resonance (very loosely stated) is responsible for moving things from the fundamental to the more complex... just a passing thought. Thanks.

Originally Posted by MacFly

The universe only works in one way. Some people have a completely false belief about it, others have more accurate beliefs, but almost everybody interprets it a lil' bit differently.

But the universe doesn't know what "gravity" is. Or the "law of attraction". It just works the way it works silently.

[MacFly]

Originally Posted by Melchior

with this, are you trying to show how you're so much more wise than me or what?

what's your motivation when you respond to my post like this?

you laugh at me, or or or what?

if you think it's stupid, just be brave and say that's stupid. no problem I'm not even hurt by that. but with this, I don't know what you mean, you're positive or negative, honest or sarcastic.

help me understand.

[Melchior]

Originally Posted by MacFly

with this, are you trying to show how you're so much more wise than me or what?

what's your motivation when you respond to my post like this?

you laugh at me, or or or what?

if you think it's stupid, just be brave and say that's stupid. no problem I'm not even hurt by that. but with this, I don't know what you mean, you're positive or negative, honest or sarcastic.

help me understand.

Agh, sorry about that.
In context, meant: "this makes me happy". It's like when a child sees something and then they smile. ^_^

[MacFly]

Originally Posted by Melchior

Agh, sorry about that.
In context, meant: "this makes me happy". It's like when a child sees something and then they smile. ^_^

haha that's cool thank you!

[Melchior]

Originally Posted by MacFly

haha that's cool thank you!

No worries.

[joelr]

Originally Posted by TINHAMOTIC

Dear all,

After more than a year or two knowing the Law of Attraction, I have a question that always pop up in my mind.
If I am not wrong, in Law of Attraction, positive vibrations attact positive outcomes or results. Negative vibrations in our mind will attact negative outcome. In other words + attacts + and - attacts - .

This is different from the magnet. Magnet has north and south pole. The north pole attacts the south pole. In other words, the + side of the magnet attacts the - side. Same as the electron and proton. Electron - attacts proton + and there neutralized. Correct me if I am wrong.

Thus, the nature and Law of Attaction may be contradictory.
That maybe one of the reason I have doubts about LOA and can't apply it.

You can't put electromagnetism and LAW of attraction together to make comparisons. You can, but LOA is not a law in the same sense as the 4 forces - electromagnetism, strong force, weak force, gravity, electrostrongityweaknetism.

I made the last one up.

If LOA is 100% true we do not yet know the physics of it.

Like forces do still attract if gravity overrides the force. Superconducting electrons also attract.

It's possible that "desires" of a particular nature are transformed into a type of negative phenomenon where the object/event desired is in some way "positive" and will fill the gap that the negative desire consists of.

That is what +/- is doing - returning the objects to equilibrium, sort of filling the gap.




Now the weak force and electromagnetism have been linked to become the electroweak force. I like "weaknetism" better.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by joelr

electrostrongityweaknetism.

I made the last one up.

good one

law of attraction may not be like physics - still it's tempting to look for parallels that hint at the unified field theory of string cheese that flows with everything

[jackpots]

I don't know how relevant theories are to the law of attraction beyond the proof you have probably already witnessed...what's the one thing that has been happening in your thoughts and your experience since you had the thought about magnet theory? I bet you have been having many thoughts about magnets, you probably researched magnets more, you are probably also thinking about magnets more in your everyday experience when you come across them. You are also attracting conversations about magnets and LOA, because you can see them on this forum.

I think the best way to prove the LOA, beyond any reasonable doubt, is by choosing one subject to attract. Once you have chosen that subject, give tons of attention to it and watch what happens. I like to choose the subject of Bentley motor cars...just because I like them lol. You can choose whatever, but for this example I'll use Bentleys. Now, go online and start looking at pictures of Bentleys, videos, information, their home page, anything you can find about Bentleys. The LOA has already gone to work in your experience, because you started with a thought, and now you have all of this evidence of Bentleys in front of you, so that alone is miraculous, but if you gave a lot of attention to the subject of Bentleys, you are going to see a Bentley in your experience, or pictures and videos of Bentleys without you having to actually force it to happen. Then, you will probably have goosebumps because you will know for sure that every thought you have is attracting the very thing you are giving your attention to, every time.

Michael Parker

[OlderWiser]

Originally Posted by TINHAMOTIC

In fact, LOA can't consider as physics.

Yes, I said that.

Originally Posted by TINHAMOTIC

I just want to know the logic behind LOA.

It depends on the model you're using. The "like attracts like" thing is based on a very old paradigm of "sympathetic magic", where you do something that is "like" something else, in order to model it and make it more real to you. Other models work on other paradigms.

Essentially, if the model of "like attracts like" doesn't work for you, find a different model. One example is the "many universes" model, where you align yourself with the "you" in an alternate universe where what you want has already happened or is about to happen, and you move into that version of yourself rather than the reality you're in now.

There are others, as well. It's just a way of conceptualising.

Originally Posted by TINHAMOTIC

if we don't find the logic

I'm going to quote Spock here. "Logic is the beginning of wisdom, not the end".