Self-delusion or realigning focus?

[Andrew Gubb]

Just a quick thought that popped into my head.

I didn't like a lot of LOA stuff because of this idea I had to fool myself to attract things... like fool myself I already had what I wanted, that the world is beautiful, etc.

I have seen some people who are like this, and I think they are very lost souls. They don't seem to be either very intelligent nor very effective in their LoA.

But the thought that came to me just now is this: I don't KNOW what reality is! Again and again I've seen my old presumptions proved wrong.

I think it's not to fool yourself. You can choose which aspect of reality to focus on and that's good. But if you first thought that the negative aspect of reality which you focused on was so "real", maybe an evolution would be to focus on a new thing but without thinking that either belief is that real. Being able to see and accept the point of view of a negative person without getting preachy (ugh), but simply not focusing on that reality.

Yes, the world is horrible and dark and stupid.

Yes, the world is beautiful and light and full of intelligence, intelligence that is waken, or dormant and just rearing to be let out.

Both are totally true, but which one is more joyful for me to submerge myself in? If I know neither of these are real realities, just thoughts, because reality is all things and nothing, can I live one reality almost all the time, having seen all I need to see of the other?

Perhaps, I'm thinking, to let go of the darkness I need to do emotional work and face properly the dark reality.

Then it's gone, not because I want to avoid it but because I'm done with it, because it doesn't hold any power over me any more, because there are more precious things to focus on and live within.

That's my idea, we'll see how it holds up to practise.

Andrew

[Wax Frog]

The reality I focus on includes rampaging 'turkey bodies' It's a pretty good place...

[Andrew Gubb]

Lol wtf?

[blossom]

I second that...WTF?

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

Lol wtf?

Exhibit A! Remember?

[torilink]

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

Just a quick thought that popped into my head.

I didn't like a lot of LOA stuff because of this idea I had to fool myself to attract things... like fool myself I already had what I wanted, that the world is beautiful, etc.

I have seen some people who are like this, and I think they are very lost souls. They don't seem to be either very intelligent nor very effective in their LoA.

But the thought that came to me just now is this: I don't KNOW what reality is! Again and again I've seen my old presumptions proved wrong.

I think it's not to fool yourself. You can choose which aspect of reality to focus on and that's good. But if you first thought that the negative aspect of reality which you focused on was so "real", maybe an evolution would be to focus on a new thing but without thinking that either belief is that real. Being able to see and accept the point of view of a negative person without getting preachy (ugh), but simply not focusing on that reality.

Yes, the world is horrible and dark and stupid.

Yes, the world is beautiful and light and full of intelligence, intelligence that is waken, or dormant and just rearing to be let out.

Both are totally true, but which one is more joyful for me to submerge myself in?

Andrew

Truth is absolute, meaning what is TRUE is ALWAYS TRUE IN EVERY MOMENT and every circumstance, never changing, unending truth. Then One of those statements cannot be true.

Perception is constantly changing and dictated by our beliefs which leads us to see this>>> "World is Horrible and dark and stupid" OR "Beautiful and light and full of intelligence". Perception is highly subjective and open to change.

Duality, the Illusion of light and darkness existing together in the same space, of male and female, love and hate, suffering and joy. But, where there is light there cannot be darkness.

Eternal Truth doesn't change based upon perception or beliefs - It Just Is as it Is (I am that I am) - It is not subject to duality.

In this realm we split so that which is ALL LIGHT can experience the absence of light. That which is ALL LOVE can experience the absence of love. That which is ALL JOY can experience the absence of joy. To know what truth truly is, it must know what it is not. Consciousness experiencing itself through duality.

But that doesn't make lack/suffering truth.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

I didn't like a lot of LOA stuff because of this idea I had to fool myself to attract things... like fool myself I already had what I wanted, that the world is beautiful, etc.

I've thought when using LoA there is no feeling of fooling myself. It will feel as if you already have it because you do. There has to be agreement with the subconscious patterns that are already in your life. It has to blend in, sort of. Otherwise it's another form of denial that reality isn't matching the intentions.

I have seen some people who are like this, and I think they are very lost souls. They don't seem to be either very intelligent nor very effective in their LoA.

But the thought that came to me just now is this: I don't KNOW what reality is! Again and again I've seen my old presumptions proved wrong.

I think it's not to fool yourself. You can choose which aspect of reality to focus on and that's good. But if you first thought that the negative aspect of reality which you focused on was so "real", maybe an evolution would be to focus on a new thing but without thinking that either belief is that real. Being able to see and accept the point of view of a negative person without getting preachy (ugh), but simply not focusing on that reality.

Yes, the world is horrible and dark and stupid.

Yes, the world is beautiful and light and full of intelligence, intelligence that is waken, or dormant and just rearing to be let out.

If there is something viewed as horrible and dark and stupid - that is a projected part of yourself that you deny as being you. It will stay dark when we forget we do this. To acknowledge yourself in all you see and not put out judgments will integrate the self into ONE. Any judgment made of the ugliness as being not "me" will continue to produce the outer world as ugly, to your perceptions.

Both are totally true, but which one is more joyful for me to submerge myself in? If I know neither of these are real realities, just thoughts, because reality is all things and nothing, can I live one reality almost all the time, having seen all I need to see of the other?

Perhaps, I'm thinking, to let go of the darkness I need to do emotional work and face properly the dark reality.

That's how I see it too. The dark self that we project onto the world is emotional unconscious patterns. We feel bad about something that we denied or can't believe is really us, so we make it not us (denial and projection). Which is how we end up with a fractured sense of self (illlusion).

Then it's gone, not because I want to avoid it but because I'm done with it, because it doesn't hold any power over me any more, because there are more precious things to focus on and live within.

I don't think it goes away - but turns into something else for you. Once we admit that all is really ONE and we are everything - then what used to be projected out with denial and judgments (as not me) become "me" as ONE. The denial and judgments go away - not the situations that were termed as "dark". perhaps.

That's my idea, we'll see how it holds up to practise.

Andrew

How are you going about practicing these ideas?

[billythegoat]

It's just about perception dude. Do you have a lot of fears about the way people view you? Well how do you view yourself? Figure out what type of person you want to be in every possible way and that's going to be the most positive (or negative, some people are into feeling crappy about themselves) for you and view yourself as that. View the world as the world you want to see. The world just is. Your perception changes how you experience it. Everything just is. How do you percieve things now? How do you feel about it all? How would you like to perceive and experience things? Change your perception and watch the reality around you begin to bend. Its crazy but true.

[billythegoat]

but also a lot of times your gonna have some conditioning in you that recreates these thought loops or fears or bad feelings or whatever. you gotta identify it and empty it from your rowboat so you can start sailing friend instead of slowly sinking in place.

[Strem2]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

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If there is something viewed as horrible and dark and stupid - that is a projected part of yourself that you deny as being you. It will stay dark when we forget we do this. To acknowledge yourself in all you see and not put out judgments will integrate the self into ONE. Any judgment made of the ugliness as being not "me" will continue to produce the outer world as ugly, to your perceptions....

Absolutely great synopsis of a big idea!

Once we accept all our "light" and "dark" parts, feelings, thoughts, and let them come and go through us without trying to hide them or to squish them down into some barrel we drag along behind us to contain all our "negativity" then they will stop bothering us.

The story of the Sedona Method founder, is a great story of how he let all that go and reclaimed his health and joy....

[Andrew Gubb]

Interesting thoughts everyone... hmm...

[Andrew Gubb]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

Exhibit A! Remember?

But I'm already a master in manifesting that! What about money? Can I attract money using rampaging turkeys? (Or maybe extort it?)

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

But I'm already a master in manifesting that! What about money? Can I attract money using rampaging turkeys? (Or maybe extort it?)

I don't know if they reimburse their 'stars', but if you ever make it on "Worlds Dumbest..." I'll be watching!

Are you watching World's Dumbest Jaywalks...
Tonya, Danny, Leif G and Todd...*
Remember Gubb acted on a dare...
I just hope he didn't get fined...

*when I was a kid I thought S&G were singing, "Ah, sweet angels Mary and Todd". Really