Busting Loose from the Money Game

[impaul99]

There is a thread in the Spiritual Forum which is talking about this book called "Busting Loose from the Money Game".

Busting Loose from The Money Game

I don't want to duplicate threads, but I think there are a lot of "Intention Manifestation" concepts to the book which I think we could discuss here in this forum. Plus I know that some of you (including me) don't read all the other sections on these forums so I wanted to bring it to your attention.

Has anyone on here read this book?

I'm curious of your opinions on it and how it relates to Intention Manifestation, and even Subjective Reality.

It's definitely a mind-blowing book. It's kind of a combination of Intention Manifestation + A Course in Miracles + The Power of Now + How to Make Money all in one.

[Lil Chris]

Thanks for bringing this to my attention Paul

[Wax Frog]

BUSTIN' LOOSE

[cylon]

I am going to check out this author's book "The 11th Element" because it is available as one of my audible.com credits.

Paul I have to belatedly thank you for mentioning Barbara Sher in another thread a while back, I ordered the book you mentioned "Refuse to Choose", read it and loved it, and am currently reading her book "It's Only Too Late if You Don't Start Now", and her writings have definitely changed my outlook on some things that have been perplexing me for years, so thanks.

Now to see what this other guy is all about....

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by cylon

I am going to check out this author's book "The 11th Element" because it is available as one of my audible.com credits.

Paul I have to belatedly thank you for mentioning Barbara Sher in another thread a while back, I ordered the book you mentioned "Refuse to Choose", read it and loved it, and am currently reading her book "It's Only Too Late if You Don't Start Now", and her writings have definitely changed my outlook on some things that have been perplexing me for years, so thanks.

Now to see what this other guy is all about....

Ahh yes, it's wonderful when you realize being a Scanner is not a mental illness or some kind of disadvantage. Embrace your Scanner-self and miracles start to happen.

One thing I'll mention. The 11th Element is a book the author wrote BEFORE he discovered busting loose from the money game. Meaning, back then he was still trying to make money like the rest of us. In fact he built several successful businesses, one of which was a company he sold for $177 Million to Intuit. It was AFTER that where he realized money is an illusion and wrote the next book.

So, if you want to get some background on the author, sure go ahead and pick up that book, but just be aware that his understanding of money and the money game drastically changed afterwords I think.

[cylon]

I see, well in that case maybe I'll just look at the newer book instead, I'm more interested in what you guys are getting all excited about.

[Wax Frog]

Scanner?

[cylon]

Means you have so many different interests that make you happy. In our culture we are expected to learn one thing really well, become an expert at it, and then stick with it for the rest of our lives.

Some people are fine with that but if you have multiple interests, thinking you're SUPPOSED to think that way is depressing because you think there's something wrong with you, when in reality you are just fascinated by different things.

For myself it was "I'm a graphic artist/but I want to be a musician/but if I work on being a musician/how can I advance as a graphic artist..."

This dilemma drove me nuts and it's probably a big reason I stayed at my last job for so long... I literally couldn't make up my mind and I suffered for it. Wish I had understood the scanner concept back then.

[Wax Frog]

Do I infer correctly that there's a way of living that accomodates 'scanner-ness', suggested in the associated book?

[Wax Frog]

Since the subject was broached - would working with more recent Sher material than 'WishCraft' be equally recommended? The latter was suggested to me here and elsewhere...

[cylon]

I'm going to PM you because I think I took this thread off topic.

[Tanja]

Originally Posted by cylon

Barbara Sher in another thread a while back, I ordered the book you mentioned "Refuse to Choose", read it and loved it, .

This caught my attention, I've googled it a bit and I think I might be this scanner type.
Could you tell me in short how it has helped you?

Edit: okay, never mind, I didn't read till the last post , now I see it would be off topic!

[fresc]

I read this book a month or two ago. I think it has been very helpful for me. I approach payments with a lot more gratitude. And I can access the view that problems/discomfort as gifts, little hidden eggs where I stashed my power.

One of my favorite parts was that it helped me shift some of my power away from money and back to me. Being able to look as it as a game and a gift to myself, has made my experiences with money more enjoyable, regardless of the details of what is happening in my bank account.

[cylon]

I'm reading the book right now, so far so good. I'm sure I'll have more to say about it later.

[impaul99]

He has a new book called "Busting Loose from the Business Game" as well.

I just picked it up at the book store. Flipping through it, it looks very similar to the "Busting Loose from the MOney Game" book, but I bought it anyways because I wanted a physical copy of this book that I can highlight and mark up.

The other one I got as an eBook on my sony reader.

This is a cool video explanation that kind of "sheds some light" on the subject.

Sample Video Resource

For me this book finally explained how you can have abundance in your life without going after it. Previous to this book I was always perplexed and stuck in my way of thinking.

For example, when I read "The Power of Now", Eckhart talks about not worrying about money and not really worrying about making future plans to acquire it, but my Ego kept saying in my head "Yeah, it's easy to say for him since he's sold a billion copies of his book and had a tonne of money." etc.

With all the goal oriented self-help books out there, it makes you want to set goals to achieve a certain amount of money/income etc. After reading "Busting Loose from the MOney Game" I now see how futile that attempt is.

Funny thing is that I've kind of known this all along deep down, I just hadn't articulated it clearly enough in my thoughts until I read this book.

[fresc]

@impaul99 - What made the difference for you after "Reading Busting Loose"? I mean why did you see it as futile to set goals? Because you no longer saw money as real? Instead as a part of your hologram. Or because you no longer saw it as separate from yourself? Or because you no longer thought any of it mattered because you trusted your expanded self to give you precisely what you needed to learn the lessons you came here to learn?

I think that last bit is the most powerful part for me. Having faith that I have everything I need to live the life I am meant to live is a generous and empowering thought.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by fresc

@impaul99 - What made the difference for you after "Reading Busting Loose"? I mean why did you see it as futile to set goals? Because you no longer saw money as real? Instead as a part of your hologram. Or because you no longer saw it as separate from yourself? Or because you no longer thought any of it mattered because you trusted your expanded self to give you precisely what you needed to learn the lessons you came here to learn?

I think that last bit is the most powerful part for me. Having faith that I have everything I need to live the life I am meant to live is a generous and empowering thought.

Let me see if I can articulate it the best way.

Previously my thinking was that this hologram/illusion we're in was based on intentions. Meaning, without our intentions it would just be a blank slate. So in order for me to experience money/wealth in this world, I would have to set an intention to have money and "go after it". By maintaining that intention I would "create" a life filled with money - which to a large extent I have.

However, as with anyone who's successfully chased money can attest, there is something missing in that equation. You get the money, but then you want more, there is never enough, or it just runs out.

I remember having made lots of money, walking into Bestbuy and being depressed because nothing in the store excited me anymore. I already had a home theatre system, an Xbox, computers, etc. All the things I used to desire I already had, and there was nothing left in the store to buy. Of course I could buy more crap, but it wasn't the same anymore.

So then its almost like you start to manifest lack in your world so that you can experience attaining stuff again. So I did that for a while, and then I created money again. Kind of like a hamster wheel, going on and on.

Not only that, but I've met some fairly wealthy people in the last decade and I don't think I want their life anymore. They have a higher net worth, but they're chasing money just as much as I am. You'd think after you reach multi-millionaire status you'd be "happy" or at least "content". Instead I found myself more content than they are just living in my little house having free time.

Anyway, after I read this book, it made me realize that Abundance is our natural state. So we don't have to really "go after it". All we really have to do is just eliminate the illusion. Remove the clouds and the sun will shine.

I guess I realized that the "default case" = abundance. Meaning, if you just follow your inspiration and take your power back from the illusion, you become a Gazillionaire automatically. Everything is yours because you are an infinitely abundant being.

THAT'S why people like Eckhart don't give a crap about money. They know that as long as they live from spirit, they have total abundance. And not just in a philosophical/theory way... they've already experienced it IN their lives.

Another thing I realized lately is that if you chase money, even if you become a billionaire, you end up chasing something else. Watch a show like "House Wives of Orange County" or whatever that show is called and you'll see what I mean. A lot of these women have a LOT of money, but they're chasing other things.

There's always something else to chase... looks, health, biggest house, a new pair of boobs, looking young, a new man, more shoes, a different car, fame, relationships, etc. etc.

If you're chasing stuff "out there" you'll never find it. Abundance comes from the inside, not outside.

Some people have been saying this to me before, but I never understood it the way I do now.

I don't even know if this book was necessarily the only thing that led to it. It's been a crazy 3 weeks for me. I've manifested some crazy stuff in the last 3 weeks and the illusion has been lifting for me.

What did you get out of the book?

[Tristan Bull]

Hmm haven't heard of this before but will check it out for sure.

Cheers!

[ellie]

Originally Posted by impaul99

I remember having made lots of money, walking into Bestbuy and being depressed because nothing in the store excited me anymore. I already had a home theatre system, an Xbox, computers, etc. All the things I used to desire I already had, and there was nothing left in the store to buy. Of course I could buy more crap, but it wasn't the same anymore.

Oh god I have been feeling like that exactly. I just did it tonight, had a few dollars in store credits and thought well maybe I should use them. Went around the store about 10 times and came out realising I just did not want or need anything. I had no desire for anything. I think if I ever did have lots and lots of money, I just wouldn't be spending it in the way I imagined. I sure wouldn't be a girl in a lolly shop, saying "I will have this, and this and this".

Some good insights in your post Paul, some ideas I had not ever pondered about before. Quite timely really. So thanks. I will check out that book too.

I already have refuse to choose, good book.

So Paul how do you want your abundant life to be?

[moonrambler]

I was interested in this book some time ago, and out of curiosity I checked out some of his myriad of websites, and was bummed to discover that they all consist entirely of ad copy trying to get people to send him $1500.

It's off-putting. So I never did read the book.

Paul, what are your thoughts on all that? You're a mentor to me so now I'm really thinking I should read that book

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

I was interested in this book some time ago, and out of curiosity I checked out some of his myriad of websites, and was bummed to discover that they all consist entirely of ad copy trying to get people to send him $1500.

It's off-putting. So I never did read the book.

Paul, what are your thoughts on all that? You're a mentor to me so now I'm really thinking I should read that book

Simple. Don't buy the $1,500 program. Just go pickup his book. It's like $20 or less.

BTW, the reason PD teachers have products out there at different price points is to service different groups of people.

It may seem odd to you, but there are people out there who will NOT buy a $20 book because they think their life problems couldn't possibly be solved for $20. They *WILL* however participate in a $1,500 live event because that sounds like a more "reasonable" price point for something that can help them.

Others yet won't attend an event unless it costs at least $15,000.

I know this sounds weird, but as people build higher levels of wealth, they value their time totally differently, and they make generalizations about the value of things based on their price.

For example, if you went on a trip to a foreign country and saw a gold necklace that costs $500 in your home country, but they had it on sale for $29 - wouldn't your mind think "Oh, it can't be real. It's probably fake gold, or low caret."

Anyway, people think and behave like that. If for example you were passionate about building websites and wanted to build amazing websites for Fortune 500 companies, and you loved building sites so much and you had a cool system for being able to make a profit while still building websites for under $1,000 - I can assure you that you wouldn't get many contracts unless you quoted them above $50k or even above $100k for the site.

Why? Because that's just what companies expect to pay for a "good site". They just wouldn't even look at your proposal if they saw it said $1,000.

It may sound weird, but I used to run a web development company and that actually happened to us a few times. We wanted a contract quite badly because we would have loved the exposure from the brand --- we were originally going to bid $50k on the project, but ended up bidding $25k because we really wanted to get this project for our portfolio.

A few days later we found out our bid was eliminated because it was too low. The decision maker thought our site would suck because it was so cheap compared to the other bids they had for $40-$75k.

They didn't even read the proposal or ask any questions. They just looked at the price and ditched it.

Something to think about.

Also, another way to think about it. If the information the author teaches IS in fact life-changing, why wouldn't he charge $1,500? People buy TV's for more than that and they don't change their lives. Some people buy watches for more than that, or blow $1,500 at the Casino in a few minutes. If YOU knew the info would change your life, why wouldn't you pay $1,500?

Something to think about.

In the meantime, just go pickup the $15-$20 book and get the value that way.

[moonrambler]

My concern was that if the guy has busted loose from the money game, why do all his websites only offer one thing -- ad copy designed to get money?

I can go to your site, or Steve's site, for instance, and you guys are offering boatloads of valuable information for free.

[Wax Frog]

So I guess that's the answer to a question that always plagues/enrages me:

The reason the Secrets of the Universe have a price tag is that so many believe they must? If so, does this also mean I suffer from a deep-rooted fear/belief that I am doomed to be excluded because I can't afford said Secrets?

[Matiasfx]

Im on Chapter 6 and really digging it!!!

I look forward to more discussion about the book.

Thanks Paul

Mat

[cylon]

I'm about to start Chapter 5.... totally mind-blowing so far. I love the "total immersion movie" analogy (although I'm not sure I take it literally that the true point of existence is a "game") and I think for the first time I'm understanding what subjective reality may be about.

There's a section early on where he says in Phase 1, you are seeking answers but they will be given in such a way where they don't QUITE make sense, or aren't exactly what you need to hear, and he lumps LOA and just about everything else we talk about into the category of stuff that "doesn't really work", because if it worked, then it would take you out of the game. I hope he elaborates on that.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

My concern was that if the guy has busted loose from the money game, why do all his websites only offer one thing -- ad copy designed to get money?

I can go to your site, or Steve's site, for instance, and you guys are offering boatloads of valuable information for free.

"Busting Loose" from the money game doesn't mean you go live in a cave and wear a potato sack.

It could be that you in fact make more money than you ever did before. It may seem like a contradictions or a paradox, but if you read his book he explains it in there.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

So I guess that's the answer to a question that always plagues/enrages me:

The reason the Secrets of the Universe have a price tag is that so many believe they must? If so, does this also mean I suffer from a deep-rooted fear/belief that I am doomed to be excluded because I can't afford said Secrets?

That could be one way your Ego hides "The Truth" from you yes.

It sounds like you're giving away your power to the "I can't afford it" excuse.

You can buy his book on Amazon for $14 ( Amazon.com: Busting Loose From the Business Game: Mind-Blowing Strategies for Recreating Yourself, Your Team, Your Business, and Everything in Between (9780470453087): Robert Scheinfeld: Books ). Can you really not afford $15?

Nobody said you have to go to the $1,500 event. LIke I said, those are there for those people who have the "Secrets of the Universe aren't FREE and cost a lot more than $20" limiting belief installed.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by cylon

I'm about to start Chapter 5.... totally mind-blowing so far. I love the "total immersion movie" analogy (although I'm not sure I take it literally that the true point of existence is a "game") and I think for the first time I'm understanding what subjective reality may be about.

There's a section early on where he says in Phase 1, you are seeking answers but they will be given in such a way where they don't QUITE make sense, or aren't exactly what you need to hear, and he lumps LOA and just about everything else we talk about into the category of stuff that "doesn't really work", because if it worked, then it would take you out of the game. I hope he elaborates on that.

Yeah, when I read that it kind of pissed me off at first. I've invested a lot of time in all that "stuff".

However, the way I see it is that in Phase 1 the whole intention of our Higher Selves is to keep the illusion alive and to keep building the illusion, so things like LoA *must* produce inconsistent results in order to keep that illusion alive.

BUT, once we start on the path of Phase 2, the intention of our Higher Self becomes to slowly disassemble the illusion, which is why in Phase 2 things like LoA become more and more consistent.

This explains a LOT, in the sense that for most people I know the LoA doesn't seem to be as consistent for them as it is for me. For example, they may have ONE event per year that something happens that they can't explain logically, whereas for me it could be a weekly or daily thing - sometimes mutliple times a day I create events like that.

In fact, I am pretty sure that even before reading this book I was already on the path of Phase 2, and so is Steve and many others...we just didn't really label it that way.

The other possibility is that this guy is totally out to lunch and nothing he says is true. THat's always a possibility with anything. All we can do is apply what he teaches and see what kind of results we get in our lives.

My intuition tells me that there is a lot of truth in this book, even if there are parts that may not be 100% there yet.

Definitely an awareness expanding book though.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by impaul99

"Busting Loose" from the money game doesn't mean you go live in a cave and wear a potato sack.

Now you know this isn't what I'm implying.

I would expect that perhaps if he busted loose from the money game he might be making more money than ever. However, it bugged me to see him attempting to do it by filling several websites with ad copy. It seems to me that if he'd truly busted loose, he wouldn't need to be filling up the Web with useless text.

Heck, if he'd truly busted loose, he could be filling the Web with valuable helpful information, the way you and Steve do.

I should just go get the book (which I should mention a person can probably read through inter-library loan for free), but I'm a little worried I'm going to not be open to what he says because he's got a bunch of spammy-looking websites and he gathers e-mail addresses for which I assume he's going to send regular e-mails trying to convince people to buy stuff.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

Now you know this isn't what I'm implying.

I would expect that perhaps if he busted loose from the money game he might be making more money than ever. However, it bugged me to see him attempting to do it by filling several websites with ad copy. It seems to me that if he'd truly busted loose, he wouldn't need to be filling up the Web with useless text.

Heck, if he'd truly busted loose, he could be filling the Web with valuable helpful information, the way you and Steve do.

I should just go get the book (which I should mention a person can probably read through inter-library loan for free), but I'm a little worried I'm going to not be open to what he says because he's got a bunch of spammy-looking websites and he gathers e-mail addresses for which I assume he's going to send regular e-mails trying to convince people to buy stuff.

Just go get the book.

Just because he plays his business game that way, it doesn't mean you have to.

Remember, this guy used to be a Direct Mail Marketer guy for over 18 years. He was a sales guy / marketer in companies where he built their sales from $1m/year to $44m/year.

That's his life, and you've got yours.

Also:

I'm a little worried I'm going to not be open to what he says because he's got a bunch of spammy-looking websites and he gathers e-mail addresses for which I assume he's going to send regular e-mails trying to convince people to buy stuff.

That's kind of a silly way to judge someone, isn't it? We're all trying to convince people to "buy stuff". Me, Steve, you, everyone. It may not be a product, it could be a concept, an idea, or ourselves in the case of trying to sell yourself to a potential employer in a job interview.

Everyone is always selling something. You may just not be labeling it that way.