Busting Loose from the Money Game

[Angela]

It's just more fun to cast a lot of avatars in your creation, so that we can all say things to each other. Personally, I think "communication" is my very favorite illusion!

[Wax Frog]

I read a bit more and appreciate the clarification it gave on why it is so all-fired* important to embrace EVERYTHING in your experience; there's energetic gold in ALL them thar eggs

I also see that the reason I haven't been able to really manifest is, metaphorically, the same reason a couch potato wouldn't last a mile in a marathon...

[impaul99]

What variations of "The Process" have you guys/gals seen out there?

I know Dr. DeMartini has something called "The Demartini Method" or the "Quantum Collapse" process that is similar.

Then, there is "The Process" from Busting Loose.

Then, there is "The Workbook" in A Course in Miracles.

Then, there is the Ho'oponopono (sp?) method from Zero Limits.

Then, there is the "Pivoting" method taught by Esther Hicks.

All similar stuff...what else have we come across that's similar?

[cylon]

I think it's different from those... the only one I've used on a regular basis would be Pivoting, but that's just to get you to think about pleasant thoughts.

Hippo seems to be just asking people to forgive you. I don't know the others.

This one is the only one I'm familiar that makes you consciously affirm that you are creating the entire universe.

Of course, the author will say that his version is the only one that actually works, and all the other processes are designed to not work.

I've heard people say that some processes don't work as well as others, but not that the other processes are literally deceiving you (except for people who think all of this is the work of the devil, but that's a different topic).

[Wax Frog]

From what I've read so far, I see some parallels with Michael Brown's Presence Process; BL is "clicking" with me more clearly though, seems to fit better with the way I parse what I read.

[Matiasfx]

Originally Posted by cylon

I think it's different from those... the only one I've used on a regular basis would be Pivoting, but that's just to get you to think about pleasant thoughts.

Hippo seems to be just asking people to forgive you. I don't know the others.....

Hey Cylon,
If u mean Hippo=Ho'oponopono its not as u say it for what i understood when i read the books.
You are creating "everything" that u experience and you say that to youself (Im sorry, please forgive me, i love you, thank you) acknowledging that you have created something that you dont "like" or want (or that gives you disconfort) and with those words you try to heal in yourself that part in you that have miss-created that.

Thats what i understand about it and thats why i think its similar to The process, if anyone knows better please feel free to correct me.

But i have to agree, The process resonates better with me that the hoponopono one.

About you question Paul, i think the Sedona method works in similar ways and its after the same results, here a little bit about the process (which if u read carefully, u can see that u are feeling the disconfort, and then working ont that feeling till collapsing it)

Link (The Power of Letting Go - A Sample of How the Sedona Method Works)

Little bit from the link

tep 1: Focus on an issue that you would like to feel better about, and then allow yourself to feel whatever you are feeling in this moment. This doesn’t have to be a strong feeling. In fact, you can even check on how you feel about this exercise and what you want to get from it. Just welcome the feeling and allow it to be as fully or as best you can.

This instruction may seem simplistic, but it needs to be. Most of us live in our thoughts, pictures, and stories about the past and the future, rather than being aware of how we actually feel in this moment. The only time that we can actually do anything about the way we feel (and, for that matter, about our businesses or our lives) is NOW. You don’t need to wait for a feeling to be strong before letting go. In fact, if you are feeling numb, flat, blank, cut off, or empty inside, those are feelings that can be let go of just as easily as the more recognizable ones. Simply do the best you can. The more you work with this process, the easier it will be for you to identify what you are feeling.

Step 2: Ask yourself one of the following three questions:

• Could I let this feeling go?
• Could I allow this feeling to be here?
• Could I welcome this feeling?

These questions are merely asking you if it is possible to take this action. “Yes” or “no” are both acceptable answers. You will often let go even if you say “no.” As best you can, answer the question that you choose with a minimum of thought, staying away from second-guessing yourself or getting into an internal debate about the merits of that action or its consequences.

All the questions used in this process are deliberately simple. They are not important in and of themselves but are designed to point you to the experience of letting go, to the experience of stopping holding on. Go on to Step 3 no matter how you answered the first question.

Step 3: No matter which question you started with, ask yourself this simple question: Would I? In other words: Am I willing to let go?

Again, stay away from debate as best you can. Also remember that you are always doing this process for yourself—for the purpose of gaining your own freedom and clarity. It doesn’t matter whether the feeling is justified, long-standing, or right.

If the answer is “no,” or if you are not sure, ask yourself: “Would I rather have this feeling, or would I rather be free?”

Even if the answer is still “no,” go on to Step 4.

Step 4: Ask yourself this simpler question: When?

This is an invitation to just let it go NOW. You may find yourself easily letting go. Remember that letting go is a decision you can make any time you choose.

Step 5: Repeat the preceding four steps as often as needed until you feel free of that particular feeling.

You will probably find yourself letting go a little more on each step of the process. The results at first may be quite subtle. Very quickly, if you are persistent, the results will get more and more noticeable. You may find that you have layers of feelings about a particular topic. However, what you let go of is gone for good.

What about "The Work" from Byron Katie, i've hear good things about it but im not sure about the details?

Cheers

Mat

[lasti]

Originally Posted by Matiasfx

What about "The Work" from Byron Katie, i've hear good things about it but im not sure about the details?

You can read about The Work here:
The Work of Byron Katie

I'm not an expert on the other methods so I can't comment on how much they are similiar.

[ellie]

Just received my copy today. Will have a short little read before I head off to bed. Pretty fast delivery to Australia I must say.

[Angela]

Ellie, I'm really looking forward to hearing your thoughts!

[Wax Frog]

I've begun applying my still-roughly-understood version of the tools, and am nearly done with my first read-thru. I plan on re-reading the tool-related chapters a few times after, and committing the framework to memory.

One thing I like - it will be very easy to stick with this, in the sense that I feel discomfort (mostly subtle but always there) alot Constant reminder you might say...

[cylon]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

I feel discomfort (mostly subtle but always there) alot Constant reminder you might say...

He does say it takes courage to do this stuff though, so if you feel like you're pushing that comfort zone, that discomfort is actually a good thing. Athletes and performers can feel discomfort just before they go out and do their thing, but they just convert it to the energy they need to get the job done.

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by cylon

He does say it takes courage to do this stuff though, so if you feel like you're pushing that comfort zone, that discomfort is actually a good thing.

The consequences of my sticking with Phase 1 will still require a kind of courage anyway, so what the hell. Bring it on.

[impaul99]

I had an interesting dream this morning.

Someone in my dream was reading a book and talking about why we manifest things in our life.

One thing he said was:

"We manifest drama and certain problems in our personal lives, so that they don't manifest in someone else."

In my dream I was in the middle of doing something but that statement stopped me dead in my tracks. It made me think.

Assuming that we are in a Hologram, and everyone "out there" is a part of us, if we don't collapse/eliminate a problem through The Process, or something similar, it would only make sense that someone else in our hologram would exhibit the symptoms of that problem.

For example, let's say that I have an issue with financial scarcity. If I was to use The Process on it to increase my financial abundance by 10% for example, then I would experience that abundance along with everyone else in my Hologram.

However, if instead I tried to "bypass" the process, and increase only my financial abundance, without "The Process" or "The Work" or "Collapsing" or whatever, what would happen is that this problem would just transfer over to another avatar in my hologram. For example, maybe I get a promotion and am now making $1,000/m more, but then my best friend starts making less. Or I win $50,000 on a scratch & win ticket, but my uncle's house catches on fire and he loses all his possessions.

What I mean by this is that we either DEAL with the problem (using The Process or whatever), or we don't. If we DO, everyone wins. If we DON'T, then it's still possible for us to bypass dealing with it short term, but we just end up transferring the problem over to someone else.

Now... the significance of my dream was this. Since deep down we know that if we don't deal with the problem it'll just transfer over to someone else we care about in our hologram, we end up taking the problem on our own shoulders because if a lot of times it's easier to suffer the pain of a problem ourselves, rather than watch someone else we love suffer with it.

Something to think about. Or not.

[Angela]

That's great, Paul! It works in a Phase I perspective, too -- as Projection. If your unconscious mind presents you with something for resolution (in other words, you find yourself with a "problem") and you squash it down or try to avoid it, chances are pretty good that you'll project it onto to another person, creating exactly the condition for others what you'd most like NOT to create for yourself.

I've seen this show up in every release of limiting belief. The impact on yourself of believing that old gunk is exactly the impact you create on the people around you. It's pretty amazing!

[cylon]

I would be a walking ball of guilt if I thought of it that way. Or who knows, maybe I would feel more powerful if I thought I was responsible for the tragedy in other people's lives. If it's really "all just me", then I guess it's true that I AM.

But, he also says not to worry too much about the other avatars, only about your own. Which is kind of like saying "don't think of pink elephants."

All I can really think of is how "other people" are being affected by this, and what their presence in my life means. I know that feeling separate is where my ego is... I can sense if I lose that separation, my ego will think that "everything is meaningless" because I grew up thinking I needed to live my life by someone else's standards. If there's no one else, it's kind of like being in a canoe without a paddle. How am I supposed to get anywhere? And where am I going in the first place? If it's not the Land of Acceptance by others, where to?

But... the more I get caught up with that, the more I lose touch with my own vision of I want my life to be. It's a really weird thing when you become your own standard for what is good in your life... a lot of previous motivations for things suddenly seem irrelevant, in good ways or bad ways. "I could never do that, they would think I'm crazy!" But if there's no one to think I'm crazy, then I can do whatever I want!

[Angela]

Originally Posted by cylon

If it's really "all just me", then I guess it's true that I AM.

What you might want to see is that as long as you think of "me" as being just cylon, separate from the other avatars, you are operating under the illusion that you are cut off from the power, joy and abundance that you are expressing as those avatars. In other words, you are choosing to limit your own power, joy and abundance.

If you feel limited by what others think of you, or you resist being limited by what others think of you, that's an egg to reclaim power from. And it might be fun to look at how you are creating that judgement -- notice how you are judging yourself, and reclaim the power from that.

Then your judgements and other projections of "others" can just fall away, easily and effortlessly. You won't have to resist anyone anymore!

[impaul99]

Another good way to think of it is when you go to the movies.

Ever notice that when you go to see a movie and the theatre is full of people, and everyone enjoys the movie, you end up enjoying it more too?

For example if it's a comedy and something funny happens and the people are laughing hysterically it's way more funny than if you're the only one chuckling to yourself right?

Same thing at sporting events etc.

My point is that by accepting abundance for ourselves, we accept it for all of those around us. By "transferring" lack to someone else so that we can feel abundant temporarily doesn't feel as good.

I think the significance of my dream was not to feel guilty about all the pain we create out there in the other avatars, but rather to realize that any pain we have in our lives (problems, etc.) we have CHOSEN to be in our lives as a results of being ready to collapse them forever from "reality".

Every challenge you overcome in your life by collapsing it using The Process, ceases to be a burden on all. Any challenge you transfer over to someone else, continues to exist in your reality.

DON'T feel guilty about anything going on "out there". Those aren't things you are ready to deal with yet. Focus instead of collapsing your own challenges, because those have been given to you to handle. Well, you gave them to yourself as a gift to handle.

[cylon]

Originally Posted by impaul99

I think the significance of my dream was not to feel guilty about all the pain we create out there in the other avatars, but rather to realize that any pain we have in our lives (problems, etc.) we have CHOSEN to be in our lives as a results of being ready to collapse them forever from "reality".

I see what you're saying... it makes more sense from "The Process" perspective, not from the "I am separate" perspective. It actually is more empowering because when tragedy occurs in the world, you don't have to feel like "oh man, I hate that this exists in the world!" but you can see how it actually has meaning in your life.

I can already see that in part of my life now, so I'm becoming more comfortable with that idea of global events reflecting states within. And I see the ripples in the matrix that just come out and smack me in the face, so it's hard to deny 'em.

As far as how I literally interact with other people in the hologram, making sense of that is going to come in time I suppose. Hopefully that's part of "the game" as well. The author says that we just can't make that much sense of it with our current level of consciousness. But that's not going to do anything about our curiosity.

Currently, for me, it's moving between solipsism and objective reality, sort of like when you drift in and out of the dream state. But that's good because it used to literally just be solipsism, ie, I was the only one and everyone else was a robot. When in reality, no one is actually real, including me... just the awareness of what is going on is "real".

[Wax Frog]

Do I have this right:

If I commit to the Process, and practice it diligently, the "lesson plan" (if I may call it that) of my ES will start to play out on its own?

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

Do I have this right:

If I commit to the Process, and practice it diligently, the "lesson plan" (if I may call it that) of my ES will start to play out on its own?

The lesson plan of your expanded self is, having set up the illusion of the Human Game, to expand into your expanded self. You're already doing that in Phase I; but moving into Phase II is just playing at a new bold level.

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by Angela

The lesson plan of your expanded self is, having set up the illusion of the Human Game, to expand into your expanded self. You're already doing that in Phase I; but moving into Phase II is just playing at a new bold level.

To put what I meant another way, there will be radical shifts in what I experience, compared to what I've known so far, just by doing the Process. I want to be sure I'm reading correctly.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

To put what I meant another way, there will be radical shifts in what I experience, compared to what I've known so far, just by doing the Process. I want to be sure I'm reading correctly.

I'd say that's a pretty safe expectation -- expect to be surprised!

[cylon]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

To put what I meant another way, there will be radical shifts in what I experience, compared to what I've known so far, just by doing the Process. I want to be sure I'm reading correctly.

Lol. You will have synchro's that knock you to the floor and leave you going "no f'ing way!!!"

Your perception of reality is going to be seriously challenged, sooner or later. The more open you are, the more you are going to realize that you are making everything happen. The key is how truly COMFORTABLE you are, in those instances. The more comfortable, the more they will happen. The less comfortable, the less they will "appear" to happen.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by cylon

The key is how truly COMFORTABLE you are, in those instances. The more comfortable, the more they will happen. The less comfortable, the less they will "appear" to happen.

Actually, I wouldn't say that at all; quite the opposite, in fact. The more DISCOMFORT you can find -- the more eggs you can reclaim power from -- and the more you truly dive in to the discomfort as you reclaim your power -- the more wild and crazy stuff is likely to show up in your matrix!

This process is not about being comfortable.

[Tanja]

Originally Posted by Angela

- expect to be surprised!

Damn! I got hold of the book, but haven't started reading it yet, and now reading you people (me) here..I'm dropping everything else right now and going to read it

[edith]

I've been mighty uncomfortable since I read the book. I've been noticing weird stuff, too - like today a cup that was sure was on its side on the floor (I've got kids) was upside-down later when I went to clean it up (no kids around playing at that point). A pencil showed up when I needed it and didn't see it there before. And there have been other things that are just not quite right - stuff that usually works doesn't. Explainable, I suppose, but so many all at once?

[Angela]

You're changing things in the matrix!

[edith]

Originally Posted by Angela

You're changing things in the matrix!

uhh.....ok....I need to go dive into this! uncomfortable feeling now...! 8-o

[Keena]

Hi Angela,

I haven’t been here in a couple of days – and whoa – 2 pages later! This is so cool – I really wanted to manifest people to chat about this book with!

You said: “Sometimes I forget; I'll be playing a game, creating in my hologram for the fun of it, living in inspiration, appreciating, reclaiming my power, and using empowering language, and I'll just plum forget -- I'll believe that what I'm creating is real, solid, fixed, and maybe I'll worry or get stressed. What's there to do is to remind myself that my consciousness created this. It makes me laugh to notice, every time I notice!”

Yes! It's exactly the same for me! LOL!

So, no it’s not like I have an agenda to improve or fix anything in my hologram (that I am aware of consciously). I have made a commitment to live inspiredly (I think that term fits better with how I think of things, too). And I love it! Life has been a lot more fun – and I was having fun before!

What I was getting at is that I’ve created a game that I want to play with. And I want to have other avatars come and play with me – and express appreciation – though that’s not the point when we play. But no one has come to play yet and I can’t figure out why. Not being attached – and have been off creating other things that have been inspired. But I’m just pouting a bit I suppose. Like a little kid when no one comes to play their game. Whenever I feel that disappointment then I do the process which is so helpful in eliminating the attachment. But I can’t figure out why – unless there are simply just too many eggs there and I have to continue egg-busting for awhile...

Thoughts?

So how do you create your games?

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Keena

What I was getting at is that I’ve created a game that I want to play with. And I want to have other avatars come and play with me – and express appreciation – though that’s not the point when we play. But no one has come to play yet and I can’t figure out why.

What am I, chopped liver?

An avatar made entirely out of chopped liver. Now there's an image. Do you mean that your game REQUIRES other avatars, either specific ones or just a general joining in? Maybe you'd like to play the game of building your team (or casting your performance ) first, and then let that expand into a new game. Who knows -- maybe your avatar teammates will bring something new, inspirational, and improvisational to the game that "Keena" hasn't come up with. Could be fun!

So how do you create your games?

That's a great big question! It kind of varies, but I love to write things down, so writing down the outline for the game is one way I create them. It astonishes and delights me to watch things I write down "come true" in physical reality.

I have a pal I created in kindergarten who has the superpower of being able to draw people into life. I mean, she doesn't just draw them to her -- she draws them with pen and ink and they show up! It's like a twilight zone episode! How's that for a great talent?