Busting Loose from the Money Game

[cylon]

The guy was a mulit-multi-millionaire before he wrote the book. I would assume he was still rich while writing the book.

Also, part of the basis of the book was that his grandfather was an extremely wealthy CEO of a Fortune 500 company, and taught him his life philosophy when he was younger (but died seven months later) which got him hooked on "learning the secrets of money".

I am getting my money's worth, it is a really good read. I'm on chapter 5 and he still hasn't really talked about money yet, it's just a great explanation of what the thinks the nature of reality is, which is the basis for whatever he says on money (which I haven't gotten to yet, obviously).

It is a thrill a minute ride, I'm telling you.

Also, it is the best explanation of subjective reality I've read so far.

[ellie]

I just ordered the book too.

I actually don't like his voice, he's got no tonal range. But I went through his video intro on his site, and what he said makes sense, that he would get money and then loose it and it made no sense as he was being practical. So he thought there had to be more to it.

I find it odd that in his video he composites himself in 3D backgrounds. Why couldn't he just sit in a office, if he is a millionaire? Instead of compositing himself in a fake office?

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by impaul99

You can buy his book on Amazon for $14 ( Amazon.com: Busting Loose From the Business Game: Mind-Blowing Strategies for Recreating Yourself, Your Team, Your Business, and Everything in Between (9780470453087): Robert Scheinfeld: Books ). Can you really not afford $15?

Yes, and I expect to be doing so in the near future! Time for a little Sher & Scheinfeld party

Nobody said you have to go to the $1,500 event. LIke I said, those are there for those people who have the "Secrets of the Universe aren't FREE and cost a lot more than $20" limiting belief installed.

I understand you. It's just that up until now, every LoA/IM-selling site I've looked at or seen referenced has been set up in such a way as to suggest that I could only learn the Secrets if I shelled out for a multi-DVD set or a seminar or such. It's good to finally get hit with a counter-example!

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by ellie

I just ordered the book too.

I actually don't like his voice, he's got no tonal range. But I went through his video intro on his site, and what he said makes sense, that he would get money and then loose it and it made no sense as he was being practical. So he thought there had to be more to it.

I find it odd that in his video he composites himself in 3D backgrounds. Why couldn't he just sit in a office, if he is a millionaire? Instead of compositing himself in a fake office?

I'm pretty sure it's because he's like a little kid with a new toy. He likes movies, special effects and technology toys, so he probably got all excited, got a video camera, a green screen, video editing software, a 3D Software to make backgrounds and plays around with all those toys making video's.

It kind of reminds me of when people first learn to use a photo editing software like Photoshop, and they go nuts editing all their photos. Gradients everywhere, filters, cutting their heads off and pasting them on someone else's body, you know - the works.

[ellie]

Originally Posted by impaul99

I'm pretty sure it's because he's like a little kid with a new toy. He likes movies, special effects and technology toys, so he probably got all excited, got a video camera, a green screen, video editing software, a 3D Software to make backgrounds and plays around with all those toys making video's.

It kind of reminds me of when people first learn to use a photo editing software like Photoshop, and they go nuts editing all their photos. Gradients everywhere, filters, cutting their heads off and pasting them on someone else's body, you know - the works.

Too true His actual intro video on his "about page", makes him look like a ghost as he has played with the levels or something and he's a bit purple - te he!

I am just listening to the Eben Pagan, ignition video, he seems like an interesting guy, have you done his course Paul? He sounds a bit similar to Robert.

I'm on the verge of starting my own online business, and of course now I am getting all these signs directing me to posts about "making money the right way" Which is now confusing me a bit more.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

I understand you. It's just that up until now, every LoA/IM-selling site I've looked at or seen referenced has been set up in such a way as to suggest that I could only learn the Secrets if I shelled out for a multi-DVD set or a seminar or such. It's good to finally get hit with a counter-example!

The operative word in the above statement is "looked at or seen". You're filtering out "free secrets" for some reason. You probably have a belief of some sort installed. Perhaps these 3 beliefs that keep you away from The Truth:

(1) Although there are free resources available out there, the "real" secrets of the Universe are being sold by people who want hundreds or thousands of dollars to teach the secrets in multi-DVD sets or seminars.

(2) I can't afford to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on all these seminars.

(3) Why the hell do those people need to take my money anyways. If they really knew how to manifest money, they wouldn't need to take the heard-earned money I already have! Those bastards!

Of course, Belief #3 loops you back to #1 and you go around in a circle.

The Truth is that "the secrets" of the universe are available to you at any time, regardless if they are FREE or cost money.

For example, you could go and get a FREE copy of "The Science of Getting Rich", which is like THE bible for LoA/IM stuff anyways and costs nothing. You could study it, apply it and make $100,000. THen you would have all the money you could ever want to spend on any other seminars/DVD's etc.

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by impaul99

(3) Why the hell do those people need to take my money anyways. If they really knew how to manifest money, they wouldn't need to take the heard-earned money I already have! Those bastards!

That has been my very argument against the price tag.

The Truth is that "the secrets" of the universe are available to you at any time, regardless if they are FREE or cost money.

Logically, that is as it should be.

For example, you could go and get a FREE copy of "The Science of Getting Rich", which is like THE bible for LoA/IM stuff anyways and costs nothing.

Ego would argue, "Well, that's been around forever, surely if it worked everyone would know about it and be applying it successfully by now" Just an aspect of that 'inner skeptic' I used to spend so much time whining about here, and then suppressed as counterproductive...

[cylon]

To me, $20 (usually less) for a book is an extremely good value, someone has spent hours and hours writing a book, doing their best to help me out, it gets packaged into an object I can hold in my hands and put on a shelf and read again whenever I want, and all for a very reasonable amount of money.

To me, it's a bargain. And I'm glad to circulate that money, put positive energy into the money which brings me the positive energy of the book, and him getting my money gives him positive energy, encourages him to keep providing value, then that energy may come to me again someday, by his book, or by something someone who read his book writes, you just never know where the dividends are going to pay off down the road.

And in this case, all for less than $20. It's an INVESTMENT.

[Wax Frog]

Again, don't misunderstand me. I've got no problem with a 20 dollar book. It's when it gets into the 1.5 grand territory that Paul referenced that the emotions kick in, that I feel as if I'm being left out for not meeting their monetary standard.

There's no doubt I grew up with a mess of rejection/'outsider' situations, and maybe this is all just an aspect of the carryover.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

It's when it gets into the 1.5 grand territory that Paul referenced that the emotions kick in, that I feel as if I'm being left out for not meeting their monetary standard.

Once you read the book, you'll discover he talks about this exactly. You've discovered a "discomfort" relating to money. By applying The Process in the book, you can drain the power from the discomfort and reclaim it for yourself.

Once you've successfully done that, you'll manifest:

(a) All the information/wisdom/resources you'd ever need at your disposal without disqualifying you due to your "monetary standard";

and/or

(b) The money required to pay whatever fees people want, regardless if it's $20, $1,500 or +$1,000,000 such as in the case of personal coaching from someone like Tony Robbins.

What's cool is that you're aware of your "discomfort" around this issue. Now you just need to reclaim your power from it.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by cylon

To me, $20 (usually less) for a book is an extremely good value, someone has spent hours and hours writing a book, doing their best to help me out, it gets packaged into an object I can hold in my hands and put on a shelf and read again whenever I want, and all for a very reasonable amount of money.

Not to mention the fact that the $20 goes to pay for:
- The people who cut down the trees to print the book and/or
- The people who recycle paper products to be used in books
- The staff at the book publisher that spell-check and edit the book so that it makes sense
- The marketing staff that design book covers that catch your attention from the other millions of books out there
- The people who design, maintain and run the printing presses
- The people who warehouse, distribute and ship the book from the printing press to your local bookstore so that you don't have to spend $1,000 flying across the country to pickup the book
- The employees, warehousing and distribution of the book in the bookstore
- etc.

If you really think about it, there is a lot of value you get for that $20.

The author isn't the only one making money from the book. In fact, many authors don't really make much from the books they write. Most of the money goes to pay for all the stuff I mentioned above and more.

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by impaul99

Once you've successfully done that, you'll manifest:

(a) All the information/wisdom/resources you'd ever need at your disposal without disqualifying you due to your "monetary standard";

and/or

(b) The money required to pay whatever fees people want, regardless if it's $20, $1,500 or +$1,000,000 such as in the case of personal coaching from someone like Tony Robbins.

For far longer than I care to recall, I have been seeking that bit of information that finally puts a hole in this dam (damn? ) I've been carrying around all my life - just one hole and the water will do the rest.

I say this because I like that you are unequivocal in your assertion, and so hope that my own scrambled belief system won't thwart this go-round as it presumably has so much else...

[impaul99]

So, anyone finish the book yet? Any brains fried?

[cylon]

Still working on it.

It seems to me that he's saying that as I'm typing this, I'm creating the computer and the keyboard itself, that when I was looking over my shoulder at something else, they were not here until I chose to "recreate them" by turning my head and looking at them again. That still just freaks me out.... I know that's how it works but it is just a total trip. I guess I have to accept this if I'm going to to "bust loose" so to speak.

I'll add more later.

[Angela]

I'm enjoying this thread, and I looked back to something that happened to me a year and a half ago that I described in this thread -- when I had a spontaneous shift in perspective that I couldn't quite articulate, I was sitting typing that OP out and out of *nowhere* my sweetheart came in and left "Busting Loose from the Money Game" on my bed, told me someone had ordered him to read it, and asked me to read it first and give him a book report. As it turned out, this book was a spot-on articulation of this new, dynamic, mind-blowing perspective, plus the added bonus of the process of reclaiming power.

It's fun to see how my life has transformed since then! And interesting to see how right as I was feeling like I was sure to get slammed for the radical, confronting new perspective, along came that person Vapourmile to perfectly reflect what I was creating. And then I let him go, and he was banned. Amazing.

One thing I was thinking after reading the book was that there were two sub-phases of Phase II -- one is the more easily recognized concept that we create our experience of reality and the "others" we attract, and the other is what I called the Towel Phase, which is a bit harder to grasp, that we actually create physical reality itself, like the towel I was laying on at the beach, as described in the book, by projecting power into the matrix.

For me, anyway, I don't need the towel phase. I mean, it may or may not be so, and I'm inclined to use the perspective that it is, most of the time. But that's not important, because the experiential sub-phase is so much fun to play in. Maybe I will make the towel phase more of my game now that I've gotten so skillful with the experiential and avatar sub-phase. I've got some fun games going right now that are kind of leaning towards playing with the creation of physical representations.

Moonrambler, I do remember you had these same resistances last time this conversation came around, and here you are attracted to the conversation again! You don't think that's just coincidence, do you? (I have never spent a penny on anything related to Busting Loose, not even for the book.)

I look forward to joining up with some Phase II playing avatars, finding out what kind of Phase II games you're generating, and having some fun supporting and encouraging each other!

[impaul99]

I just had an idea with this line of thinking.

State an intention of a change you'd like to see in another person, pretending you are standing right in front of them. For example:

"I would like you to be more responsible."
or
"I would like you to be more happy."

It can be anything.

Now, change the word "You" to the word "me".

"I would like me to be more responsible."
and
"I would like me to be more happy."

Now, go make those things happen.

I don't know why, but this exercise resonates with me.

It's a good way to see the reflection that everything we want to change in those around us is what we really want to see change in us.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by impaul99

It's a good way to see the reflection that everything we want to change in those around us is what we really want to see change in us.

That's what I call Generating!

Try it in a conversation -- see how quickly you can change the game.

[impaul99]

Ok, onto some discussion of Phase II thinking.

Yesterday I was thinking - if the world is illusionary, what is the purpose of having a purpose/mission in life?

Are there people really "out there" who need our help in some way, or do we just create them "out there" because we want to help.

For example, does a chiropractor create people "out there" with bad backs to fix?

Does a person who always wanted to be a famous doctor who cures some major disease create the very disease "out there" for him to cure?

Does an entertainer create people who need to be entertained?

Do the needs of those "out there" really exist, or are they only created based on our need to help in that certain way.

"Busting Loose" says that everything in Phase II is reversed / backwards. ALong that line of thinking, it is really doctors and healers that "create" disease to cure. It is really soldiers who create wars to fight and people to protect. It is really dentists who create cavities, and Anti-Cancer Laboratories that create Cancer to fight.

As insulting as this may sound to those who are out there trying to help people (doctors, soldiers, anti-cancer researchers, dentists, whatever), it kind of makes sense.

So, if you knew this was TRUE 100%, would you still pursue the path in life you're pursuing? Meaning, that would mean that Steve's desire to help people become more conscious CREATES people who are less conscious, so that he can elevate their consciousness.

At first this may sound dumb, because why would we create something "out there" just so that we can fix it!? It's almost mean to think that anti-cancer researchers create people suffering from cancer "out there". Steve's quest to raise the consciousness of those "out there" creates "less conscious" people out there. Sounds kind of dumb, right?

BUT, then I thought about it and really...there are no people "out there". They are all just projections of US.

So who is Steve really trying to raise the consciousness level of? Himself!
Who is the doctor really trying to cure? Himself!
Who is the soldier really trying to protect? Himself!
Who is Mother Teresa really trying to love in their dying days? Herself!

Aha... now creating something to fix "out there" takes on a different meaning. We're not CREATING cancer, cavities, wars "out there". They already exist in some way within us. We're just projecting them "out there" as parts of ourselves that we want to heal/love/fix.

And that my friends is why we work on trying to fix stuff in the hologram, even thought we know it's not real. We're working on healing ourselves.

The only decision we really need to make is at what level do we want to heal ourselves?

[cylon]

I don't know if I'm prepared for those questions.

I do know that I was reading the book, it was showing me kind of word for word conversations I had had previously that day. So I was creating the book itself? Very cool/scary thing to think about.

Also, if all possibilities exist at once then it means I'm in a universe where I created the book to teach me something, but there's also a universe where I didn't create the book to teach me something...

[Angela]

That's what's been showing up in my hypnotherapy practice, impaul. Not "fixing" and "healing" -- I don't see my clients as broken or sick -- but rather "unconcealing." Every "client" I have is reflecting something back to me in a really big way, and it's wonderful practice to play the game of asking unconcealment questions, for the purpose of expanding more and more into the infinite power, abundance, and vitality that is Who We Are.

Here's something funny, too -- just about every time I have a client, at the moment of breakthrough (or other critical moment), some physical manifestation will occur in my environment. Once, during a client who was resolving two conflicting "parts" of herself, it was an Indian wedding procession, complete with camel, suddenly passing by my window. Another time, a client kept repeating how he wanted to drill through deep down to his limiting beliefs, and suddenly a street worker fired up his drill right outside my window. Pretty fun.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Angela

That's what's been showing up in my hypnotherapy practice, impaul. Not "fixing" and "healing" -- I don't see my clients as broken or sick -- but rather "unconcealing." Every "client" I have is reflecting something back to me in a really big way, and it's wonderful practice to play the game of asking unconcealment questions, for the purpose of expanding more and more into the infinite power, abundance, and vitality that is Who We Are.

Here's something funny, too -- just about every time I have a client, at the moment of breakthrough (or other critical moment), some physical manifestation will occur in my environment. Once, during a client who was resolving two conflicting "parts" of herself, it was an Indian wedding procession, complete with camel, suddenly passing by my window. Another time, a client kept repeating how he wanted to drill through deep down to his limiting beliefs, and suddenly a street worker fired up his drill right outside my window. Pretty fun.

ROFL. That's awesome.

That's a cool way of looking at it. You see these clients, and you try to help them, but really you're asking them questions because you're helping yourself.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by cylon

I don't know if I'm prepared for those questions.

I do know that I was reading the book, it was showing me kind of word for word conversations I had had previously that day. So I was creating the book itself? Very cool/scary thing to think about.

Also, if all possibilities exist at once then it means I'm in a universe where I created the book to teach me something, but there's also a universe where I didn't create the book to teach me something...

It's funny because I remember when I first discovered where you are now.

Be prepared. Your Ego may fight back. The next thing you may encounter after going a bit further and deeper is "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥!!!!".

At least that's what happened to me. But as the book says, once you're expanded you don't shrink back.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by impaul99

... once you're expanded you don't shrink back.

That has certainly been my experience! But you might forget. I mean: we're so good at creating the illusion that it's easy to slip back into forgetting that we (I/you) created the illusion -- you might forget and think your problems are really problems. I'm happy to have created y'all for the purpose of reminding each other to ask ourselves: is this really a problem, or is this a creation of OUR (your/my) consciousness? Thank you for being my team-mates, particularly you, impaul!

[Matiasfx]

Originally Posted by Angela

That has certainly been my experience! But you might forget. I mean: we're so good at creating the illusion that it's easy to slip back into forgetting that we (I/you) created the illusion -- you might forget and think your problems are really problems. I'm happy to have created y'all for the purpose of reminding each other to ask ourselves: is this really a problem, or is this a creation of OUR (your/my) consciousness? Thank you for being my team-mates, particularly you, impaul!

Well, Angela, you are actually thanking yourself for creating Paul and i will also thank myself for creating you, because was in a post u made (or i did because i created u ) that i hear about the book..

I have a few chapters to go yet, i like the book a lot, i just need to get clear about a few things that so far are hurting my brain

Please guys keep this thread going, im loving the feedback (yeah, i know im the one creating this thread to assist myself, so i will keep it going thru you)

Mat

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Matiasfx

Well, Angela, you are actually thanking yourself for creating Paul and i will also thank myself for creating you, because was in a post u made (or i did because i created u ) that i hear about the book..

I'm welcome.

[Lil Chris]

Originally Posted by Angela

Thank you for being my team-mates, particularly you, impaul!

This comment and thread is awesome...!

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by impaul99

The only decision we really need to make is at what level do we want to heal ourselves?

I hereby apologize for creating my illusion of complicated lameness in the presence of the other facets of Ourself [half-kidding]

[impaul99]

Those of you who play or have played World of Warcraft may appreciate this analogy.

Playing the game of life is like playing Warcraft. You know it's not real, but it's still fun.

Discovering that the "Gold" in Warcraft is not real, that it doesn't really come from mining things or selling things on the auction house, but instead it's just some number on a server somewhere is kind of like discovering money is not real in this "real" world.

There are a few things you can do with Warcraft as far as Gold is concerned:

(1) Play the game as usual, doing what most people do, and you'll have some gold. (In "real" life this is the general public, middle income family.)

(2) Ask others in the game who have lots of Gold how they're making gold and model them. (In "real" life this is like being mentored by a millionaire, reading a PD book or going to a seminar.)

(3) Log out of the game, purchase a Gold guide filled with the best strategies for making Gold. When you follow the manual you'll learn really fast ways to make Gold in the game. (In "real" life this is like asking help from the spirit guides to guide you to what you want.)

(4) Log out of the game, go to eBay and buy 50,000 Gold for like $10. (In "real life" this is like busting loose from the money game.) While others in the game may still be pursuing making money using methods #1-3, you just bypass the process and get a crapload of gold.

Now, you may argue that doing the eBay thing ruins the "economy" in the actual game of Warcraft, but in reality there IS no economy.

Not only that, but imagine if World of Warcraft was being played only by YOU on that server. Meaning, you may have thousands of characters playing the game, but they're all being played by you. So who are you really ruining the economy for? Nobody except yourself, right?

I know it's not a perfect analogy, but just something to think about.

There are obviously other differences. But still something to think about.

[cylon]

Originally Posted by impaul99

Not only that, but imagine if World of Warcraft was being played only by YOU on that server. Meaning, you may have thousands of characters playing the game, but they're all being played by you. So who are you really ruining the economy for? Nobody except yourself, right?

Yup. This is what I think it is. I don't know man, you are right about my ego. This whole thing is kind of disturbing me. I've been talking about it with you guys here for a long time, and I have had PLENTY of experiences that give it weight, but it's just "weird". Did I elect the President? Did I cancel my favorite t.v. show? Did I make Kanye interrup Taylor Swift? I'm not kidding... it's hard for me to think I am creating this whole universe. I understand that it's my expanded self doing it, otherwise I would go insane trying to consciously "render" my reality in my physical brain. I get the idea that there's a bigger me watching me type this up. Am I supposed to "come to know him"?

Still... say I consider myself talented in some area, and I go to the top because of the talent. I feel proud that people appreciate my talent. But, I'm making that talent up... when there's no objective standard for something, then what? I pride myself on certain qualities, but they aren't even real qualities?

I just hope this "Expanded Self" is having fun with this "total immersion movie" it's playing. Although I hope this 'game' is really a metaphor. Because otherwise, it's still the "God created man" story of religion, except my Expanded Self is God, and cylon is the man that was created.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by cylon

Yup. This is what I think it is. I don't know man, you are right about my ego. This whole thing is kind of disturbing me. I've been talking about it with you guys here for a long time, and I have had PLENTY of experiences that give it weight, but it's just "weird". Did I elect the President? Did I cancel my favorite t.v. show? Did I make Kanye interrup Taylor Swift? I'm not kidding... it's hard for me to think I am creating this whole universe. I understand that it's my expanded self doing it, otherwise I would go insane trying to consciously "render" my reality in my physical brain. I get the idea that there's a bigger me watching me type this up. Am I supposed to "come to know him"?

Still... say I consider myself talented in some area, and I go to the top because of the talent. I feel proud that people appreciate my talent. But, I'm making that talent up... when there's no objective standard for something, then what? I pride myself on certain qualities, but they aren't even real qualities?

I just hope this "Expanded Self" is having fun with this "total immersion movie" it's playing. Although I hope this 'game' is really a metaphor. Because otherwise, it's still the "God created man" story of religion, except my Expanded Self is God, and cylon is the man that was created.

Kind of funny how our Ego's resist this.

The thing to consider is this.

Does knowing that something is a game DIMINISH the experience or ENHANCE it?

At first our Ego's are afraid that by knowing this is an illusion we're going to Diminish the experience, but I get the feeling that the experience is enhanced.

For example, does knowing that we live after death make THIS life less meaningful than if we thought that this is the ONLY life?

I'll relate it back to Warcraft. Imagine playing Warcraft, but not knowing that you can "resurrect". Meaning, imagine that if you thought you were going to die, you'd die forever and would have to stop playing the game forever. Anytime your health meter would go close to 50% or less you'd get really stressed out and run away. This of course would slow down your leveling and make the game really stressful.

Now, does knowing that you can just "come back to life" if you die in Warcraft make it less fun to play the game? I don't think so. I think it makes it more fun. We still try not to die anyways, but we no longer fear it so much which makes it more fun to play.

Also, we know that the "gear" you get in Warcraft isn't real. I mean, getting a sword or new robe or some kind of high powered ring isn't real. None of those items are real. However, they ARE real to your character in the game. They represent something. They have meaning.

Now, what would happen if you started playing the game... and got so involved in it...so immersed, that you forgot it was a game. You took the game WAY too seriously. Have you ever played with people like that? Have you SEEN what they do if for example the item they were trying to get doesn't drop for them, or someone makes a mistake and the group wipes and every dies? They FREAK!

(Type "WOW Freakout" in YouTube and you'll see what I mean.)

See, at that point they're so immersed and so attached to these stupid items that don't even exist that they lose the point of the game - which was to have FUN in the first place.

People in that game go through evolutions too. You see players get into that game and for a while it's all about the gear. Then they realize that as soon as a new patch comes out their gear sucks so they need new gear. Then they get the new gear and they're "cool" for a while. Then another expansion comes out. After a while they realize that it's not about the gear. It's about having fun with your friends.

Now, to answer you question. Does knowing that this is just an illusion DIMINISH the value of a talent you've worked to develop? or does it Enhance it? I think if you really think about it, it actually enhances it.

What do you think?