LoA Contradiction?

[MoneyAddyct]

I've seen it written several times that if you're in debt, whether you constantly think about getting yourself out of debt or whether you constantly think about why you're staying in debt, etc. the keyword is "debt" and the LoA will attract more of debt to you. So instead you should think about how great financial freedom would feel and what kind of life you would lead if you were financially free.

But I've also heard that our thoughts and feelings and beliefs and desires and actions are exactly what the LoA manifests for us. That is at the heart of the LoA. So why wouldn't thinking about being out of debt be benificial? I know the keyword is "debt" but if I'm thinking about "rising above debt" instead of "remaining in debt" why wouldn't that belief and that thought manifest itself? Why must I avoid the notion of debt completely? It seems a little contradictory to me.

I considered this answer: If we focus on "relieving debt" we're bound to slip into thinking about the negative aspect of debt at some point. So instead we should think about a prosperous life because it's much more difficult to slip into thinking about debt if the whole notion of debt (whether we think about "rising above it" or its negative aspects) is completely removed.

If that's the case there's no contradiction but then it seems like we're only focusing on a prosperous life to avoid slipping into thinking about debt--and to me that's seem like taking the easy way out. Instead we should focus on relieving debt and consciously avoid thinking about debt's, say, negative aspects. It would seem to me that if we were able to do that, then our intentions would be all the more powerful. So either that's what we need to do or there's some other answer to relieve the apparent contradiction.

What do you guys think?

[wolfgang]

I have thought it doesn't matter much the words per say - it matters what the words are represnting in your feelings. I imagine that IM is about feeling what it's like and as such we only need words to label the feelings we are holding to attract.

Then, also the words are mental to help us get into the feelings so we need them and need to be careful about choosing them. i.e. any connotations that brings up the opposite of what one is intending will tend to generate mixed feelings and weaken the signal.

[judge45]

The feelings are more important than the words, but the words are essential.

If I were in debt, I would never try to frame any words of debt into affirmations.

It's like saying "I don't want to be broke" the universe hears 'want broke' or just 'broke'

So it continues on with broke.

If you had debt and wanted out of it, you would frame your affirmations as
"I have $5000 in my bank account" you say it and visualise it and of course 'feel' it.

The feeling is the most important part.

Emotion + Visualisation + Words = Manifestation

That's how I see it.

HTH

Jeff

[placebo]

Is it a feeling of being fully satisfied? Or maybe happy, or relaxed, without worries, with no fear? Is that the same feeling that we had when we were kids and couldn't sleep whole night before some trip? is the excitement that we should feel? Is it really important what is the feeling or it just has to be positive?

[BelleEnchanted]

I have two thoughts about this. First, when people tell you not to say "get out of debt" or "I want to get out of debt" or, as in your example, "rising out of debt", it's because no matter how you word it, your focus is still on "debt".

So let's say you start talking about rising out of debt. What is it that you want to rise out of? Debt. The focus isn't on "rise out of" because you've got to have something to rise out of, or get out of, or eliminate. And that something is debt.

My other thought about this is that for the majority of people, debt is simply not a positive word. So given that, to try and focus on the positive aspects of debt only might be a harder thing to do - and it's much easier to think "prosperity" or "wealth" instead.

(This doesn't, of course, take into account people who have resistance to the idea of wealth and prosperity because of the way they were brought up - "rich people are bad", etc.)

Anyway, I always find that what's easy tends to usually work the best when it comes to LOA.

[renie408]

I think that whatever makes you happy is what is going to work. It doesn't matter what terminology you use. I don't really think the Universe is out there getting hung up on semantics. Its following vibrations. You frame your needs in the terms that resonate the most positively for you. Period. Whatever works for you, works. CAVEAT: You have got to be careful that your words truly reflect your good feelings and not something you have been programmed to think is good. Personally, any mention of the word 'debt' has negative connotations for me. It gives me the icky willies. So I think things like, "I intend to have an abundant life full of joy and to be prosperous enough to fulfill all of my and my families needs." and "I intend to discover new and creative ways to fulfill the needs of my family and to enjoy making money." I figure one of the needs of my family is to cover its debts. I reckon I don't have to actually mention that part in my manifestations.

[renie408]

And another thing....the whole idea behind the LOA as far as I can tell is to feel good. If you are having angst over how to frame your thoughts, it seems to me you might be worrying this thing too much. I am reading Lynn Grabhorn's "Excuse me, Your life is Waiting" now and it helps a lot to reinforce the idea that the FEEEELING is the important thing. You gotta feel good about what you are doing.

[renie408]

Originally Posted by BelleEnchanted

I have two thoughts about this. First, when people tell you not to say "get out of debt" or "I want to get out of debt" or, as in your example, "rising out of debt", it's because no matter how you word it, your focus is still on "debt".

So let's say you start talking about rising out of debt. What is it that you want to rise out of? Debt. The focus isn't on "rise out of" because you've got to have something to rise out of, or get out of, or eliminate. And that something is debt.

My other thought about this is that for the majority of people, debt is simply not a positive word. So given that, to try and focus on the positive aspects of debt only might be a harder thing to do - and it's much easier to think "prosperity" or "wealth" instead.

(This doesn't, of course, take into account people who have resistance to the idea of wealth and prosperity because of the way they were brought up - "rich people are bad", etc.)

Anyway, I always find that what's easy tends to usually work the best when it comes to LOA.

What she said. No matter how you slice it, 'debt' is not a fun word. It is the flip side of abundance and prosperity, which is what we REALLY want. Whenever you find yourself focusing on a negative, you have to figure out what it is you really want. Do you really want to 'rise above debt' or do you want to be prosperous and abundant, part of which would include rising above debt? Me, I say 'Screw debt'. If the debts would disappear tomorrow without any effort from me, I would be just fine and dandy with that. Hell, I often fantasize about that very thing.

[John Hill]

I have addressed the law of attraction on my site in depth and have also talked about debt in a particular article called "making money with the law of attraction". The link is below.

John

[Dani]

Originally Posted by John Hill

I have addressed the law of attraction on my site in depth and have also talked about debt in a particular

So have a lot of people on their own sites I am sure, myself included.

The universe gives you what you feel. If you want to focus on rising out of debt, you are feeling that debt exists, and that you must fight it.

Soooo, the universe gives you debt and you must fight it. Because that's what you asked for.

Focus on prosperity, and the univers says, 'oops no debt here' and works on removing it. Because thats what you asked for.

No contradictions, nice and straight forward.

Just think of your intention as a picture. Anythign in that picture will be in your life. So if your intention is rising out of debt, then debt must be in the picture to have you rise out of it and thus it must also be in your life.

As a result you will -always- be wrestling with debt, until you can change your intentions to focus on being 'wealthy', not 'out of debt'.

[renie408]

>>Just think of your intention as a picture. Anythign in that picture will be in your life. So if your intention is rising out of debt, then debt must be in the picture to have you rise out of it and thus it must also be in your life.<<

I can't decide whether this is really as brilliant a comment as I think it is or if I just REALLY didn't get enough sleep last night. I have heard so many versions of this, but for some reason, this analogy made an impression.

I am going to bet that deep down, part of my intending to be prosperous is really intending to STOP being such a financial f***up. Ergo, I am still a financial f***up. We have been making more money for the past month, but are mysteriously still having the same struggles we were before with making it til the end of the week. I have identified with 'making it to the next paycheck', and by god, that's what I am doing. ARRRGGHHHHH!!!!

So where do I get the Cosmic Whiteout so that I can remove that from my picture???

[Kevin]

If the debts would disappear tomorrow without any effort from me, I would be just fine and dandy with that. Hell, I often fantasize about that very thing.

Welcome to my world!

I like Dani's answer: If you think of debt as something you have to constantly battle, you'll compound the manifestation of that situation. It's what I'm trying to do.

My bigger problem is worrying whether it works, which is a subject for a whole other post...

[Dani]

I had a belief for a long time that I was very cunning, smart, and emotionally strong, and that I would always come out on top of any troubles that came into my life.

At first glance this looks like a sound belief. Many people wish they were strong enough and smart enough to come out on top of any troubles in their life.

Sure enough, as a result, I -was- strong, smart and cunning enough to solve every problem that came my way.

But, looking at my earlier post, can you see the problem with my picture?

In order for me to be strong, smart and cunning enough to overcome problems, I needed to have problems in order to overcome them and prove my belief.

So as a result I attracted to myself disfuntional relationships, job problems, money problems etc. But of course I over came them, became a success, then *boom* the next set of problems would hit.

Since I have tried to remove that one belief, my once tumultuous life has grown eerily calm and smooth. Once I stopped focusing on being strong to fight my problems, to having a great life. I lost the problems and my life started to improve.

They still crop up occasionaly (still alittle bit of that belief left obviously), but now instead of switching into my old 'must solve and defeat' mode, I just let it go and take it calmly. Every one of them since I made this realisation has literally solved itself without me having to do a thing except wait.

The bottom line is, do not intend to defeat or excape anything, because that thing must be brought into existance, and kept there for you to defeat or escape it.

Simply intend the life you would have -after- you escaped/defeated it. Then that life will come about.

Kevin. It's fine to have doubts about IM. Lots of people think they are intending something but don't see results, and so thuse there is a lot of apparent 'It doesn't work' evidence.

However. Other than those born into it, or winning the lottery, there is not one person alive or dead who became fabulously successful at anything WITHOUT intending it before it manifested. It is not the only ingredient, but it is an essential ingredient to success in any endeavour.

[MoneyAddyct]

So what is the new belief that you adopted, Dani?

[renie408]

Dani decided that he didn't need problems to overcome to identify himself as smart. He decided to just BE smart and leave the problems out of the picture of himself that he created. As long as he thought of himself as 'smart enough to overcome any problem', he had to attract problems to overcome.

Dani, is that in the ballpark?

[renie408]

It works.

I got an email this morning from our tax accountant. We had to file three years worth of returns and had previously been terrified of how much we were going to owe. The ONLY debt my husband and I have is that tax debt. Starting around the first of January, I said to myself "I am so happy that our taxes are going to resolve themselves in a comfortable way."

The email said we owe....wait for it....$90 to the state.

The IRS owes US $1227.

My husband and I both cried. If I wasn't a true believer before, as of 8:30 am this morning, I am. Effectively, my debts just disappeared without any effort from me...other than feeling good.

I have to say, I am now feeling a lot better about that 'living forever' thing.

[Dani]

Close to park, yes!

I just started seeing myself as successful and having a life that is one smooth achievement after the after.

I had another 'almost upset' yesterday actually. I got an email that I thought was about to put my current major project in jeapordy. But I took some time to calm down and get back into the flow instead of resisting and having to control/fight/defeat it.

And the result - I got another email today that completely counteracted the one I recieved yesterday. I didn't need to do anything yet again.



Since getting my LOA stuff sorted, my life rocks.

[renie408]

Originally Posted by Dani

Since getting my LOA stuff sorted, my life rocks.

Mine, too. It seems like every week, things just unravel themselves without a lot of effort from me. I am starting to BELIEVE and I think that is adding power to my intentions. I realized a day or two ago that one of my intentions to basically 'survive' the week was very limiting. I had been thinking along the lines, "We will have enough to pay all our bills this week." Seriously, up until I started studying the LOA, we had been barely able or not able to even do that, so that intention seemed like a big deal to me about six weeks ago. Now that we have consistently had little (and BIG) things happen that have made me believe that my intentions are working, I realized that we have had just enough to pay our bills and have just a bit left over each week. That is what I had intended and that's what happened. My NEW intention is to cover all our expenses and have a generous plenty left over. I am working my way up to thinking big. It is odd how HARD it is to intend big things for yourself. You almost feel like someone is going to catch you and you will be in trouble or something.

[eternomi]

It is not the word "debt" or thinking about debt that keeps you in debt. It is the belief that you cannot get out of debt and not trying to get out of debt that keeps you in debt. The first thing to do is to believe you can get out of debt, and then start researching, reading and applying knowledge that will get you out of debt... Don't worry about thinking about it as long as your belief says "I can get out, remain out and turn my life around!"