Do you count your chickens before they are hatched?

[SmartAlx]

So let's say (for fun) you on a whim decide to manifest a large sum of money. You don't care how much just that it's large. More than just a thousand. Do you spend that money before its been manifested? Sure you don't know how much it's going to be so maybe you wouldn't buy a car, but would you buy that new fancy 60" flatscreen tv?

On the one hand a "reasonable" person might say it's foolish to count your chickens before they are hatched. But on the other hand, isn't spending the money proof of your confidence that the money will come in? Is the act of spending some of the money helpful in your I-M methodology? Could this actually be a tool, an especially fun tool, in your LoA arsenal?

[Daffy Duck]

Personally, I do my best to only spend money I have. I avoid debt. I just recently paid off some student loans and became 100% debt-free.

I don't use credit cards, except for online purchases, which I pay off immediately. This is just general personal finance common sense. I know I can always make more money if I wanted to buy something I couldn't afford yet, but I'm a minimalist anyway, so I don't tend to buy a lot of material possessions. I'm very happy with what I have.

Edit: Sorry, this wasn't really a "LoA" type of response, if that's what you were looking for.

[moonrambler]

The idea is more that you'd shop for the tv. You'd go to the store, look at several and decide which one you like best. You might chat with a salesperson. You tell a friend that you really like a certain flatscreen tv. That flatscreen tv is yours.

[SmartAlx]

Oh, but that wouldn't be counting your chickens before they are hatched. The question isn't about getting the TV you want. It's about acting on a manifestation before it's manifested.

[cylon]

I suppose some people would do that. I think most experienced manifesters would have a much easier time of it, without having to spend money they don't have. Spending money you don't have is lack-based because you don't trust the proper funds will come so you can purchase what you want. So you'd probably never get those funds. Highly doubt anyone here would do something like that.

Like moonrambler said, if you're open to something it just comes to you. Who knows how it will happen.

Better to keep the details to a minimum, and just focus on the feeling of abundance. THEN pay attention to what happens.

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by SmartAlx

So let's say (for fun) you on a whim decide to manifest a large sum of money. You don't care how much just that it's large. More than just a thousand. Do you spend that money before its been manifested? Sure you don't know how much it's going to be so maybe you wouldn't buy a car, but would you buy that new fancy 60" flatscreen tv?

On the one hand a "reasonable" person might say it's foolish to count your chickens before they are hatched. But on the other hand, isn't spending the money proof of your confidence that the money will come in? Is the act of spending some of the money helpful in your I-M methodology? Could this actually be a tool, an especially fun tool, in your LoA arsenal?

Only if I felt strongly inspired to do so -- to the point where it was undeniable.

However, there is no real reason to take a risk like that. The universe sees no difference vibrationally between money spent mentally, and money spent physically.

Imagining yourself spending great amounts of money and getting yourself into the feeling place of that event will shift one's vibration over time to the point where actual physical money will come into one's experience. And then you don't have to take a risk, and count chickens before they hatch.

Instead, you can just wait till the chickens hatch.

[cylon]

I just had an analogy pop into my head about this.

Manifestation is like one of those automatic glass doors they have at the supermarket. There is a barrier but as you approach that barrier, you know it is going to yield to you. It only appears that it is closed. You walk with confidence and the doors open, and you don't walk right into the glass of a closed door, hurting yourself and feeling embarrassed. You walk into the store and get what you came for.

The key is that the door opens on its own. You don't force it.

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by cylon

I just had an analogy pop into my head about this.

An... Anagogy Analogy???

[cylon]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

An... Anagogy Analogy???

That is precisely what it was. When I think of a good analogy for IM I just think "this is an Anagogy moment".

[SmartAlx]

Originally Posted by cylon

Manifestation is like one of those automatic glass doors they have at the supermarket. There is a barrier but as you approach that barrier, you know it is going to yield to you. It only appears that it is closed. You walk with confidence and the doors open, and you don't walk right into the glass of a closed door, hurting yourself and feeling embarrassed. You walk into the store and get what you came for.

Except if you doubt the door is going to open, it still will.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by cylon

I just had an analogy pop into my head about this.

Manifestation is like one of those automatic glass doors they have at the supermarket. There is a barrier but as you approach that barrier, you know it is going to yield to you. It only appears that it is closed. You walk with confidence and the doors open, and you don't walk right into the glass of a closed door, hurting yourself and feeling embarrassed. You walk into the store and get what you came for.

The key is that the door opens on its own. You don't force it.

Yeah. And even if it doesn't open immediately, you still don't walk into the glass. You wait for a second or two until it does open.

SmartAlx, you mention counting chickens before they're hatched. But think of that literally. You wouldn't actually break the eggs open too early because you're so anxious to have those chickens. You'd wait until they hatch, all in good time.

[cylon]

Originally Posted by SmartAlx

Except if you doubt the door is going to open, it still will.

You're not much for metaphor are ya? Well like most things IM, even though it's lost on you, your question sparked its creation, and now I am further along my own understanding, thanks to you.

So, thanks!

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by SmartAlx

Except if you doubt the door is going to open, it still will.

Sure. But if you have a whole pile of doubt about whether the door will open, you probably won't go to the store.

[cylon]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

Yeah. And even if it doesn't open immediately, you still don't walk into the glass. You wait for a second or two until it does open.

SmartAlx, you mention counting chickens before they're hatched. But think of that literally. You wouldn't actually break the eggs open too early because you're so anxious to have those chickens. You'd wait until they hatch, all in good time.

I just got this image of slamming a live hen on a skillet, expecting for it to crack like an egg, in my head.

[SmartAlx]

Originally Posted by cylon

You're not much for metaphor are ya?

Um. Counting your chickens is a metaphor.

[cylon]

True, it is. I should have said, you're not much for metaphor that leads to a greater understanding of a topic.

[SmartAlx]

That's interesting coming from a person who claims that my metaphor led to a greater understanding of the topic for him.

[Daffy Duck]

SmartAlx, for what it's worth, even though I don't agree with your religious beliefs that cause you to think LoA is from the Devil, I hope you've noticed I've tried not to insinuate that you're dumb, like some other(s) may do.

I've read your blog, btw. I'm sure many Christians would like it. Have you found your Q&A on this forum to be helpful in your quest to fight down the "manifestation religion", so to speak? I'm sure you're aware you probably won't change anyone's mind on here about the topic.

What is your idea behind this thread? Are you curious why not more IM believers try to "live beyond their means?" Surely if money is flowing freely to us, we can go spend it like there's no tomorrow -- that kind of idea?

[cylon]

Originally Posted by SmartAlx

That's interesting coming from a person who claims that my metaphor led to a greater understanding of the topic for him.

Actually what is interesting is a few hours ago I bought an egg salad sandwich and I'm about to eat it. Tell me that doesn't just trip you out.

[SmartAlx]

Originally Posted by Daffy Duck

What is your idea behind this thread? Are you curious why not more IM believers try to "live beyond their means?" Surely if money is flowing freely to us, we can go spend it like there's no tomorrow -- that kind of idea?

I just thought it might be an interesting topic to discuss. I've got no ulterior motive here.

[SmartAlx]

Originally Posted by cylon

Actually what is interesting is a few hours ago I bought an egg salad sandwich and I'm about to eat it. Tell me that doesn't just trip you out.

Well, did you count the eggs before you bought the salad?

[Daffy Duck]

Okay, cool beans. My answer to my own hypothetical question would be that people may not have that strong of an abundance mindset, even for those who believe in LoA.

I had a ham and egg sandwich this morning. It actually wasn't very good.

[cylon]

No, actually I had no intention of even buying a sandwich, then a thought came that said "buy sandwich" and I turned and behind the freezer door was a pre-made egg salad sammich. Instant manifestation.

Instant DELICIOUS Manifestation.™

[Wax Frog]

OK, I may as well get in on this. Yesterday morning I felt moved, for no clear reason, to make a sort of "quick souffle"* for breakfast, something I'd made and enjoyed sporadically in the past, but not done in at least a year.

Now I know why

And it was very good!

And I apologize in advance for making StacyT hungry

*for you other amateur chefs out there, it's like an omelette, except you separate and beat the egg white stiff first.

[Daffy Duck]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

And it was very good!

I should have you make my sandwiches instead of buying them for cheap out of a dirty window when I'm in a hurry.

[cylon]

I had an omelette for breakfast this morning Wax. And I admire you actually make your own food. I used to do that.

Apparently today I am all about the eggs. Breakfast, SmartAlx's thread, then an egg-salad sandwich.

Don't tell Steve about this.

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by Daffy Duck

I should have you make my sandwiches instead of buying them for cheap out of a dirty window when I'm in a hurry.

Wax-Fil-A?

Originally Posted by cylon

I had an omelette for breakfast this morning Wax. And I admire you actually make your own food. I used to do that.

One of the good things about my current sitch (cue the "gratitude" posts )...

[Daffy Duck]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

Wax-Fil-A?

Sounds eggsellent. I hope you have cheep prices.

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by Daffy Duck

Sounds eggsellent. I hope you have cheep prices.

I've found a worse punner than myself! Sound the alarms!

[This morning the phrase, "Prehensile and Gretel" came to mind, but I digress...]

OK, OK, I confess, that was a very bad attempt at a yolk... hopefully the next one will go over easy...

[cylon]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

OK, OK, I confess, that was a very bad attempt at a yolk... hopefully the next one will go over easy...

Cracked me up.