Dave Chapelle On Manifestation (The Secret)

[GuideMySpirit]

So my friend linked me this video last night while I was working on the website, and I usually don't watch to much comedy, at least online, but for some reason I felt like giving this video a try. As most of you probably know its Dave Chappelle with his stand up that he did not long ago.

The video firs covers about people giving him advice on depression, but the main point I want you to see is what he says about visualization (The Secret); he mostly refers to that book. Now I'm not saying I agree completely, but I do have to say that for a moment I wondered that myself, would I say it?

The clip is just under 3 minutes long, watch until the end and tell me what you think. I know he is a comedian, but it seems like he is behind his jokes on this one.

Video: YouTube - Dave Chappelle The Secret of Depression

And would you tell a starving kid that? Anyway tell me your thoughts!

[cylon]

He threw it in the trash after five pages--doesn't seem like one who is very open minded about the material. The fact that he is famous doesn't make his opinion extra valid... people who aren't famous speak their ignorance all the time, people usually don't listen though. But when a famous person does it, all of the sudden it's like the Oracle of wisdom. I'm looking forward to Sean Penn's upcoming hard-hitting interview with Fidel Castro.

All I know is that Chapelle is one of the most famous comedians around today. I wonder if for a moment he imagined that he would be successful, earlier in his career, when he wasn't successful. I wonder if he ever visualized standing on a stage with people applauding and laughing, imagined himself with his own t.v. show, making fun of white people for a living... I bet he visualized plenty.

[GuideMySpirit]

Well of course, I am not stating that I agree to him, and him throwing the book after 5 pages and becoming famous was probably true with visualization. But what about a starving child in Africa, would you go up to them and tell them to visualize?

[cylon]

I would. That's also the most common objection to LOA from people who are just coming to learn about it. What about the starving kids, the victims of child abuse, the victims of rape, etc. That seems to be the first and biggest barrier to using these principles. Yet, all you have to do is point out all the great things that have happened to someone in their lives, and see how quick they are to take personal responsibility and ownership of the positive outcome. But when something bad happens, "nope that wasn't me." And, clearly, if something bad happens to someone, it's not like they were DELIBERATELY trying to have a bad outcome.

The thought process seems to be "It's a sad thing when someone comes to harm. Therefore, thoughts do not create reality." Quite a leap. I don't see how the two go together.

If you search here you will find an awful lot of discussion about those very topics. My personal take is that you are responsible for yourself, and your own life. If you are not starving yourself, you're doing something right. The second you become obsessed with starving people, you have just introduced that lower, scarcity-based vibration into your consciousness, and should expect to enjoy the manifestations of someone who believes in lack.

No one with a kind heart would dream of finding someone who is down on their luck and rubbing it in even more just to make themselves feel superior or have some sort of savior-complex. That's more of a proselytizing type thing, and LOA folks aren't really known for trying to force their opinions on others.

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by GuideMySpirit

Well of course, I am not stating that I agree to him, and him throwing the book after 5 pages and becoming famous was probably true with visualization. But what about a starving child in Africa, would you go up to them and tell them to visualize?

Of course not, because a person that pinched off from abundance isn't going to hear the message anyway.

When that child is ready to learn why it is starving, the information will come to it one way or another. When the student is ready, the appropriate teacher WILL appear.

[stevo75]

I laughed my _ss off! That's the one thing we can take away from that video, Dave Chapelle is a funny dude.

I would personally agree and disagree with him. I think a positive attutide goes a long way towards creating a successful and happy life. I also don't think IM works the way The Secret sort of implies. For example, I agree with Dave that it would be inappropriate to go to a starving African village and tell the people to "be more positive". I don't think a starving person in the midst of a nation wide famine can visualize and manifest a roast beef sandwich (to build on Dave's analogy) out of thin air...

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by cylon

No one with a kind heart would dream of finding someone who is down on their luck and rubbing it in even more just to make themselves feel superior or have some sort of savior-complex. That's more of a proselytizing type thing, and LOA folks aren't really known for trying to force their opinions on others.

That's a good point.

[GuideMySpirit]

Excellent points, and I do agree, I just couldn't put together his statement with the law of attraction. But I guess I see were he has an error.

[cylon]

His point was that it's sad for people to be starving, therefore any belief system that suggests they brought that upon themselves is inherently evil.

Only problem is for something to be inherently evil, there have to be standards that come from Above that say what is right or wrong. And that is just as unlikely to be true in many people's minds (that's there's a God making decisions on what is right and wrong) as the concept that our thoughts could influence our reality.

Both beliefs require faith.

[jacare]

Somebody like Dave Chapelle did plenty of visualizing to become as famous and rich as he is. I bet he spent countless hours in front of a mirror practicing his comedy routines.

However, the self help movement is rejected out of hand by a lot of people because it's considered fringe and woo-woo. Dave Chapelle instinctively and intuitively knows about LOA and has applied it well. Others, like me, have to consciously apply it, and learn it.

About starving people. It is a massive belief system gone wrong in starving parts of Africa. There is plenty of food on this earth to feed everyone. They need to use price controls to limit farm production. But starting at the top, to the village leaders, and the parents, the child is subjected to wrong thinking that leads to starvation. Why does the food aid not get to the children? Because of motives and LOA of somebody. Why does some food aid actually get to children and help them? Again because of the LOA of some wonderful people.