Intuition vs IM - Can you have both?

[Gracestars]

I've asked a similar question to this before, but didn't quite get the dicussion I was after..

Are intuition and LoA mutually exclusive? If not, how is it possible to have the two operating at the same time?

To better explain... I consider myself highly intuitive, as many of us do I suppose, particularly in certain circumstances and relating to certain types of relationships. So for example, if I get a feeling about a loved one - that something is not right with them, or between us - and I turn out to be correct, have I sensed something accurately before it has been confirmed, or have I negatively manifested the circumstance or situation?

I would like to add that when I do have these sorts of intuitions, they appear somewhat out of the blue and are very very intense in nature. I often have a sick feeling in the stomach that I cannot quite explain the cause of. As a result, I cannot reconcile myself to the fact that these are instances of IM. It feels more as though I am connecting with something or someone outside of myself, rather than creating the situation itself.

I find this issue really difficult to put into words so please ask me for clarification if need be and I'll do my best to explain it better.

Cheers,

G.

[themaster]

I highly doubt your creating something negative.. I mean what would be the point.. what I would say is there's a lot of negative sticky things stuck to all of us from our past of playing around in limitation.. and many of us have dozens to 100's of things stuck to us..

It's sounds like you have your space all lined up.. and you are seeing things going on in other people.. I heard something about intuition today.. that we will become masters of it.. and then when that's done.. we will master something else.. I forget the next word..

Yah I looked it up.. it says for the next decade we will moving from ethics to mastering intuition (I guess this means our own truths) after we have mastered intuition.. it says that we will go to co-creation within a few months.. (I believe this is all information about a idea we call "the shift" with many other labels) and then it says time will no longer be a limiting factor.. well that should be the 4th dimension then

Okay back to what you asked.. let's see intuition vs IM.. well obviously you can.. because we all do I would assume that intuition is really all of us allowing more information down the pipeline about our reality and what's going on.. as before we were clueless (somewhat) I would also say it's just a little more chakra information being fed into the loop..

We are always creating so in that pipeline you could just be acknowledging more of what your creating.. but let me stop rambling here and see if I can get the crux of your question which seems somewhat hard.. hence the rambling

and I turn out to be correct, have I sensed something accurately before it has been confirmed, or have I negatively manifested the circumstance or situation?

Why does it matter? This is a ego question.. that's the first thing that rings in my head..

Okay you want to know.. well again I say.. why does it matter.. it could be a manifestation.. it could be pipeline knowledge?

We manifest everywhere and everything.. are you trying to judge your manifesting as bad?

It feels more as though I am connecting with something or someone outside of myself, rather than creating the situation itself

This is just not possible.. in that I mean.. everything is self.. the sun is you, the stars are you.. those nice little flashy pixels are you.. your significant other is you.. so it's not outside of yourself PERIOD

Take these words I have given you and please provide clarification.. cause I find your post hard to read.. cause it's not direct.. and I will understand if you also find mine hard to read

[gigij]

Originally Posted by Gracestars

I find this issue really difficult to put into words so please ask me for clarification if need be and I'll do my best to explain it better.

I think I know exactly what you mean. I have recently developed the (unfortunate?) 'ability' to feel other people emotions - and sometimes it gets pretty intense. So I have wondered the same thing - how will this affect my IM abilities? It's hard to keep yourself in a state of gratitude and feeling great when your constantly feeling other peoples pain. And can the universe tell the difference between emotions that are coming from you or someone else? Sometimes it's hard for me to even tell where it's coming from.
I'd really be interested in any input on this as well.

[themaster]

Well, stated that way.. it's a easy one.. you have to create a point of delineation according to my teacher.. you declare the world in here ME and the world out there THEATERE.. he uses the concept called a rose..

Technically there's a little more to it.. as it involves your aura and creating a bubble of energy.. perhaps you can pick that up from his website.. if that helps

The idea is once you've created this point.. you won't allow others to bring down your vibration or for them to stick more things on you.. you can also once creating this point.. give back peoples energy or take back yours.. something like that

[iamhappy]

I have sort of the same thing happening. I will think about something and then minutes or even seconds later, someone around me will mention something about what I was thinking.

Same question...am I manifesting the thought in them (seems kind of "big-headed" for me to think that) or did I somehow know what they were going to say before they said it? This has just started happening recently.

Sorry I don't have any insight to your question, but thought that presenting a similiar instance might bring some more answers.

[gigij]

I bet Erin would have an answer to this one .... ??

[themaster]

Psychic ability, synchronicity is also a easy one..

Psychic messages are often transported when were in love.. and psychic ability works through a higher chakra 6th I believe that's all I know..

Where you guys are picking up all this information from this post I know not though

gigij - talking about matching someone's vibration
iamhappy - you're talking about psychic/telepathic ability..

And I'm still exactly clueless what to say to the OP

[Gracestars]

Originally Posted by themaster

Psychic ability, synchronicity is also a easy one..

Psychic messages are often transported when were in love.. and psychic ability works through a higher chakra 6th I believe that's all I know..

Where you guys are picking up all this information from this post I know not though

gigij - talking about matching someone's vibration
iamhappy - you're talking about psychic/telepathic ability..

And I'm still exactly clueless what to say to the OP

LOL! Wow... I kind of thought my post was at least reasonably coherent. But I'm glad at least some of you are beginning to follow me. Humm. OK. Let me try to break it down.

[Gracestars]

Originally Posted by themaster

I highly doubt your creating something negative.. I mean what would be the point.. what I would say is there's a lot of negative sticky things stuck to all of us from our past of playing around in limitation.. and many of us have dozens to 100's of things stuck to us..

It's sounds like you have your space all lined up.. and you are seeing things going on in other people.. I heard something about intuition today.. that we will become masters of it.. and then when that's done.. we will master something else.. I forget the next word..

Yah I looked it up.. it says for the next decade we will moving from ethics to mastering intuition (I guess this means our own truths) after we have mastered intuition.. it says that we will go to co-creation within a few months.. (I believe this is all information about a idea we call "the shift" with many other labels) and then it says time will no longer be a limiting factor.. well that should be the 4th dimension then

Okay back to what you asked.. let's see intuition vs IM.. well obviously you can.. because we all do I would assume that intuition is really all of us allowing more information down the pipeline about our reality and what's going on.. as before we were clueless (somewhat) I would also say it's just a little more chakra information being fed into the loop..

We are always creating so in that pipeline you could just be acknowledging more of what your creating.. but let me stop rambling here and see if I can get the crux of your question which seems somewhat hard.. hence the rambling

and I turn out to be correct, have I sensed something accurately before it has been confirmed, or have I negatively manifested the circumstance or situation?

Why does it matter? This is a ego question.. that's the first thing that rings in my head..

Okay you want to know.. well again I say.. why does it matter.. it could be a manifestation.. it could be pipeline knowledge?

We manifest everywhere and everything.. are you trying to judge your manifesting as bad?

It matters because I do not want to be subconsciously creating a problem with or for a loved one. That simple. If I can better understand the source of my perceived intuitions than I can decide whether to follow them up or not, and I certainly would not want to entertain them for even a second if I was in fact creating them in the first place.

[Gracestars]

Originally Posted by themaster

It feels more as though I am connecting with something or someone outside of myself, rather than creating the situation itself

This is just not possible.. in that I mean.. everything is self.. the sun is you, the stars are you.. those nice little flashy pixels are you.. your significant other is you.. so it's not outside of yourself PERIOD

I had a feeling someone would raise this point and I thought about addressing it in my OP, but that surely would have caused more confusion!

Yes, we are all connected, we are all one, with everything and every person... etc etc. The way I explained my 'feeling' was oversimplified, granted. I only meant to describe the feeling itself. You know those times (if you've ever had them) when you are walking down the street or are in mid conversation and have this sudden gut instinct. Or perhaps it is less pervasive. Perhaps it is just a consistent niggling feeling that arises over night telling you that something is not right. I call this intuition. My query is around whether this is perhaps in fact me manifesting, albiet unawares to myself, a situation based on my own my fears, or past experiences or old wounds, or whatever. I am undecided and therefore I am asking!

I will say though that my gut tells me that it is in fact my gut

[Gracestars]

Originally Posted by themaster

Psychic ability, synchronicity is also a easy one..

Psychic messages are often transported when were in love.. and psychic ability works through a higher chakra 6th I believe that's all I know

If we are the creator of our own universe then how is this possible? Are we not then merely communicating with ourselves? Following this logic, does anyone else even really exist or are they figments of our own mind's creation? This is where I get stuck. If we are all one, then individual people do not really exist, therefore any communication including pyschic, intuitive communication between people cannot take place. So it is just me creating everything around me. And I find myself lost.

I will stop here, because I have clearly manifested confusion in this thread with final comment in my initial post, and now I can no longer even spell properly. Ha. I'll try again tomorrow.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Gracestars

It matters because I do not want to be subconsciously creating a problem with or for a loved one. That simple. If I can better understand the source of my perceived intuitions than I can decide whether to follow them up or not, and I certainly would not want to entertain them for even a second if I was in fact creating them in the first place.

That's a lot of self doubt right there.. could you not believe yourself to be creating for your highest good?

Could you understand the idea that even when you don't know what you're doing.. ??? You know what you're doing!!!

The only other thing I can think that will help you is the idea of the rose I talked about above.. it's a way to create a point of delineation for your reality.. it's idea that says.. me is this here.. and out there.. that's the play, that's the game, that's my others ME throwing their energy ideas around and I'm making a point of saying.. this is my space right here.. this is my energy and I'm not going to let those other ME's throw their ideas/energy into my space anymore..

I'm going to hold my own.. and not be affected by what they're doing, saying or even vibrating.. even if that other me is a significant other or a loved one..

You understand that the game was designed this way right? That other loved one.. whether it's a stranger you met on the street or your wife.. there part of the game.. they are going to REFLECT things to you.. sometimes by your projection sometimes I believe by their own projection.. the game is supposed to be that you stay TRUE to yourself no matter..

I don't know if this stuff is helping but let me know if you need further clarification?

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Gracestars

If we are the creator of our own universe then how is this possible? Are we not then merely communicating with ourselves? Following this logic, does anyone else even really exist or are they figments of our own mind's creation? This is where I get stuck. If we are all one, then individual people do not really exist, therefore any communication including psychic, intuitive communication between people cannot take place. So it is just me creating everything around me. And I find myself lost.

I will stop here, because I have clearly manifested confusion in this thread with final comment in my initial post, and now I can no longer even spell properly. Ha. I'll try again tomorrow.

That's alright.. there's no wrong question

Ohh they all exist that's the design of this game.. here my teachers 2nd rule of reality.. (hmm.. wonder if I miss-quoted this rule the other day )

2. The 1 is all, the all are 1.

What does that mean.. it simply means we are copies of ourselves.. we are all gods or creators of this reality.. we have decided that we are so RICH and so VAST and so BEAUTIFUL that we will explore ourselves from billions to trillions of perspectives.. through limitation and ideas of separation.. so where was I?

Ohh.. yes

You are communicating with yourself inside a physical limitation framework.. you could say that means your communicating with nothing.. but really I would just call it communicating with another aspect of yourself

So, yes in the design of our reality framework we did design communication.. if I remember my teacher right it all works through the process were all one but regardless of it's working framework.. you can communicate with any entity of the one either here or all the way back..

[stevo75]

I don't believe IM and Intuition are mutually exclusive. So yes both can be operating at the same time. But I also don't think IM works as directly as you described. Law of Attraction is happening all the time. Its not something we need to do. I like to use one of David Hawkins quotes to explain Law of Attraction:

"Everything you see happening is a result of that which you have become."

So LoA has a lot more to do with your overall vibration than a specific thought, positive or negative, that you might have. And this is happening all the time.

As far as the intuition goes, the example you gave about having a feeling about a loved one, that would be closer to intuition. Of course that's not necessarily a premonition. It might just be an unpleasant thought that popped into your head. Maybe the result of fear or something. It isn't necessarily coming from a higher plane. In this case, how do you know if a thought or feeling is coming from yourself (your fears, ego, etc.) or is an intuition from a higher plane? I have no idea. Trial and error? Practice?

[Gracestars]

Originally Posted by themaster

That's alright.. there's no wrong question

Ohh they all exist that's the design of this game.. here my teachers 2nd rule of reality.. (hmm.. wonder if I miss-quoted this rule the other day )

2. The 1 is all, the all are 1.

What does that mean.. it simply means we are copies of ourselves.. we are all gods or creators of this reality.. we have decided that we are so RICH and so VAST and so BEAUTIFUL that we will explore ourselves from billions to trillions of perspectives.. through limitation and ideas of separation.. so where was I?

Ohh.. yes

You are communicating with yourself inside a physical limitation framework.. you could say that means your communicating with nothing.. but really I would just call it communicating with another aspect of yourself

So, yes in the design of our reality framework we did design communication.. if I remember my teacher right it all works through the process were all one but regardless of it's working framework.. you can communicate with any entity of the one either here or all the way back..

Okay, that's all very well, but how do you apply this practically, in the real world, so to speak?? If I am to receive a psychic message or intuition do I trust it fully as it is given to me and further investigate it, maybe just accept it, or, do I put my mind and heart into letting the 'feeling' go and go about creating a more positive outcome? If it is true intuition at work, wouldn't the latter be futile?

[Gracestars]

Originally Posted by stevo75

I don't believe IM and Intuition are mutually exclusive. So yes both can be operating at the same time. But I also don't think IM works as directly as you described. Law of Attraction is happening all the time. Its not something we need to do. I like to use one of David Hawkins quotes to explain Law of Attraction:

"Everything you see happening is a result of that which you have become."

So LoA has a lot more to do with your overall vibration than a specific thought, positive or negative, that you might have. And this is happening all the time.

As far as the intuition goes, the example you gave about having a feeling about a loved one, that would be closer to intuition. Of course that's not necessarily a premonition. It might just be an unpleasant thought that popped into your head. Maybe the result of fear or something. It isn't necessarily coming from a higher plane. In this case, how do you know if a thought or feeling is coming from yourself (your fears, ego, etc.) or is an intuition from a higher plane? I have no idea. Trial and error? Practice?

Great, thank you. This is good

I am well aware that LoA is not something we need to do, and that is actually where my problem lies. That is, in the creating I am potentially doing without realising so. Having said that, all I can do is try to vibrate at a positive level, I realise this. Doing so, however, does not necessarily mean I no longer have these intuitions, particularly of the vareity I have described.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Gracestars

Okay, that's all very well, but how do you apply this practically, in the real world, so to speak?? If I am to receive a psychic message or intuition do I trust it fully as it is given to me and further investigate it, maybe just accept it, or, do I put my mind and heart into letting the 'feeling' go and go about creating a more positive outcome? If it is true intuition at work, wouldn't the latter be futile?

Uhuh.. prediction and predetermination outcome.. yep I do understand that question..

Well, here's the truth if you receive information that something is going to happen.. you can do 2 things.. create the reality of the prediction or choose purposely to go with a reality where the predication didn't come true..

You see we change all the time.. you could go to a psychic right now and get a prediction "the stock market will crash in 10 days" and you can create that reality to be true or you can create that reality to be false.. that is choice.. a prediction according to my teacher is only a "sensing of the energy" as we see it now.. it is not a guaranteed outcome because we change our futures everyday..

Here is how I would handle it.. and this is what I suggest..

If I received a prediction/information I would validate it.. in doing so you're not pushing against it (pushing against is using LOA in reverse.. not good ) and then if I wanted it to happen.. I'd just say "hey, that's fine" and if I didn't want it happen I'd say "I validate that as a choice but that's just not for me.. let's have this happen instead"

I hope that answers your question.. I would say your intuition in this case is just you receiving more information from a higher perspective.. you can expect that this ability will only get stronger and one day you won't even need to ask questions cause they'll be answered almost from a full "knowing" place this is the idea of "the shift" we are leaving this 3rd dimensions rigidity and going to the 4th dimension where we will have more access to more information, more methods, more of our selves etc.

[Gracestars]

Ok... here's a question. If I have an intuition and we are all to agree that is in fact me picking up on something that has/will happen, by thinking about this inuition, perhaps even worrying about it, am I helping it to manifest or to make it worse, or does this not really matter because it is to occur anyway (it is a valid intuition after all)?

[Gracestars]

@ the master. You just answered my question as I asked it. Nice.

Yes, that is a very helpful resolution and one I am happy with. I will put it into action and maybe even let you know if it is effective in dealing with my current intuition. God I'm sick of that word now! LOL.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Gracestars

Ok... here's a question. If I have an intuition and we are all to agree that is in fact me picking up on something that has/will happen, by thinking about this inuition, perhaps even worrying about it, am I helping it to manifest or to make it worse, or does this not really matter because it is to occur anyway (it is a valid intuition after all)?

I think first off your ego'ing it too much.. (too much thinking ) Secondly, worrying about it will not help you; serve you.. it's best to validate it understand that you create you reality and as powerful enough as a creator you are.. you can take on anything but you prefer this.. and that's how you avoid forcing yourself to experience something by pushing against it