Choosing a teacher :)

[themaster]

I met with a type of teacher today.. seem to be gifted with much higher information/thinking.. and he told me a few things about myself..

1. I was hiding (not the first time I've heard this in a way)
2. That I may have a belief structure to support that hiding..

While I believe said teacher was true and not lying.. (invalidation) I did not resonate with his message much.. it was like sitting listening to hours of information I already knew and not finding too much insight/wisdom.. except I did listen to him root out a nice belief structure in a woman..

I guess what I'm saying at core was.. in this teachers presence.. I did not get those highest excitement, goody-good feelings.. things I would take as a sign to go with; push on

So that brings up the issue.. either
a. I do not resonate with this teacher or his message (definitely uses different terminology)
b. I have a belief system in place blocking those feelings.. information..

This teacher like all "new age" peep's charges money for his services.. and to date in 3 years of new age study.. I have probably invested a total of about $300 (was $150 about 2 months ago tops).. so I wouldn't be lying if I said I don't like to give out money unnecessarily (possible feeling of lack) but this teacher will cost $240 per session..

So it brings me to the crux of my question.. should I assume cause I don't have giddy-giddy/positive feelings this teacher is not for me? or should I spend time rumming around myself and find belief systems that might not serve me?

[ssandra]

Originally Posted by themaster

So it brings me to the crux of my question.. should I assume cause I have giddy-giddy/positive feelings this teacher is not for me? or should I spend time rumming around myself and find belief systems that might not serve me?

I believe you have more options than just these 2. It is not that if you do not associate with this master that you are forever stuck with these limiting believes.

If you have doubts about the teacher (and not about your own ability to change) I would not continue. It can be the best person in the world, but if he doesn´t fit you, if it doesn´t feel right, you will not be able to absorb his message and will throw away your money.

There are more fish in the sea (there are maybe even more fish than sea ) so just keep on looking.

Another thing that just came to mind... maybe you should stop looking for a teacher, and more look for a coach? To take more responsability yourself?

[themaster]

I'm not exactly looking for a teacher.. I'm just looking for more information.. in theory.. this person/teacher has it

To state clearly.. I'm looking to bridge the gap between the knowledge I have accepted and real world/reality practice.. or in other words to put this knowledge into use/access.. and or to aquire more knowledge towards what I want..

[spirit4711]

One of my beliefs is that we already know. In this case, you know on a intuitive level if this teacher is for you or not. Your mind is making you asking these questions. Maybe out of fear (of change?), or doubt, or for other reasons. No one here can tell you what your feelings mean.

Listen to your intuition on this one. It will tell you.

On a side note: more than 1 person has told you they experience you as hiding. What (if anything) does that mean to you and do you want to change that?

[themaster]

Well this is the way the last statement was phrased
"Your manifestation abilities are strong, but you often hold back."

Technically I kind of thought of it as the same answer "I'm hiding"

I have already sought some guidance on this from myself.. and only come up with "information unknown" and the word "esoteric" interesting word yes

But thanks to both of you for your answers.. I am still okay with more input

I don't honestly know what either answers means.. I listen.. I understand.. but I haven't quite figured it out.. I'm complex like everyone else.. or I make myself out to be.. certainly becoming less complex will help and is what I'm going for..

[TonyToneTone]

You're hiding again. Instead of just saying "No, the guy doesn't resonate with me" you're asking us. Go with what feels right for you.

[marinik]

What makes you feel or know this teacher has the information you need?

Does every teacher need to have the charisma to inspire you to move mountains or is his/her knowledge enough?

Where do your beliefs fit into all of this?

What is the end result you want?

You don't need us, just a mirror.

But we still love you and care enough to be here with you.

m

[themaster]

What makes you feel or know this teacher has the information you need?

I don't feel anything.. to say he knows is a most likely or maybe.. I could provide the url to his website if more information were required.. I don't feel excited when browsing his information or thinking of him.. with bashar I still think there is a hint of excitement

Does every teacher need to have the charisma to inspire you to move mountains or is his/her knowledge enough?

Yes, not charisma.. but good feelings.. emotional guidance system right?

Where do your beliefs fit into all of this?

I have no clue.. I feel I'm open to information.. but when talking to this guy besides for him using terminology I'm not exactly comfortable with/prefer.. it felt more like 1 master talking to another

What is the end result you want?

I want to be a magician, a shaman a person that create instantly in the now with specifics.. according to this guy as we transition to the 4th dimension this will become available.. (he uses different terminology and different sources then my normal/current teacher, all of it seems to be in alignment/truth with my teacher)

I did not get any information from this teacher that, that is what I would learn.. only hinting that I would learning something at his class..

You don't need us, just a mirror.

Isn't that what you're doing.. thanks for acting as a reflection and case for more thought/understanding

But we still love you and care enough to be here with you.
Why, thank you.. I love you too

[iDreamCatcher]

For about 7 years I do volunteer WEB work for enlightened spiritual master - his name is Vernon Kitabu Turner. He is author of Soul Sword and The Secret of Freedom book.
He is not new age "mumbo jumbo" guru though. He lives the truth.
I know that sometimes he offer personal consultations and his rates are quite reasonable. I don't want to speak more than that but if anyone interested I could inquire about that with him.

Gleb

[marinik]

Originally Posted by themaster

I don't feel anything.. to say he knows is a most likely or maybe.. I could provide the url to his website if more information were required.. I don't feel excited when browsing his information or thinking of him.. with bashar I still think there is a hint of excitement

Well then isn't it a bit too much to pay anybody who knows the "big secret"??? He could just manifest the money?? He wouldn't need you???

Yes, not charisma.. but good feelings.. emotional guidance system right?

And if your guidance system says NO why don't you listen to it?

I have no clue.. I feel I'm open to information.. but when talking to this guy besides for him using terminology I'm not exactly comfortable with/prefer.. it felt more like 1 master talking to another

You answered it your self - master to a master... nothing to learn there for you or you would feel it! Wouldn't you? Did you feel it with your other teachers?

I want to be a magician, a shaman a person that create instantly in the now with specifics.. according to this guy as we transition to the 4th dimension this will become available.. (he uses different terminology and different sources then my normal/current teacher, all of it seems to be in alignment/truth with my teacher)

I did not get any information from this teacher that, that is what I would learn.. only hinting that I would learning something at his class..

Well I if it were me I would ask for a "menu" for that much money!
like... he will teach
1. how to cross over to the 4th dimension..
2. how to ...
3.
4.
etc
I am not against paying for knowledge! Don't get me wrong, just somehow have a belief that the "real" teachers and healers ususally do not charge money. At least in my string

Isn't that what you're doing.. thanks for acting as a reflection and case for more thought/understanding

LOL you are right forgot that shining aspect!!!

Love m

[AthenaMarina]

It can be a good idea to work on getting rid of limiting beliefs I recommend it whatever else you choose.

There are different teachers for different students. For e.g. I saw these people speak & loved it: Anthony Robbins, Abraham/Esther Hicks, Mike Dooley.

I saw Bob Proctor and didn't click with what he said so much.

There is NOTHING WRONG with me OR Bob Proctor. I LOVED him in the Secret so I have still benefited from his teachings! But either it's the wrong time for me to follow what he says - some of it - there are still things he does that I DO want to get involved with in the future!! Or the message or maybe the method is not a match for me. And that's OK!
I had a chat to someone about all this on Sunday and she did NOT
like Anthony Robbins, even though I DID. Again
it doesn't mean there is anything wrong with her or him or me!
Is there any
way you can get more of a "taste" of this teacher's
method & message e.g. through books, online freebies
whatever that will help you decide whether to pursue this further?
I cannot (YET!) afford an Abraham Hicks cruise. (Actually I COULD but it's my husband's money too and he was FREAKIN out at the prices.
He compares the price to other cruises.
Plus most of them would involve an expensive plane ticket as well.
So in the future when we are much more abundant it will be time.
But right now, it's not for me, so what!
I have some of the books, I went to one of the seminars, I go to an Abe group & for now it is enough.

[themaster]

I don't ultimately know what to think.. in the shower I was thinking of going as showing a statement of change.. I mean it can't hurt can it? (that's my motto )

I probably won't decide till late tomorrow 5-6 p.m. as that's last minute to get in his seminar..

I guess since I don't have feelings either way.. this is just one of those decisions.. it doesn't matter which way you go..

The bottom-line truth is I attended his introduction seminar.. which was a lot of information I already knew.. but a person not in the know.. wouldn't know any of it

Originally Posted by AthenaMarina

Is there any way you can get more of a "taste" of this teacher's method & message e.g. through books, online freebies whatever that will help you decide whether to pursue this further?

Yes, he has a website and online videos and faq's.. yep I've been through them.. I don't exactly get that much interest feeling.. like you would say abraham he has on tap knowledge and may be able to get more vibrational information from a person then a normal channeled entity..

Just want to say thanks AthenaMarina, marinik and iDreamCatcher. Thank You!!

[marinik]

Originally Posted by themaster

I don't ultimately know what to think.. in the shower I was thinking of going as showing a statement of change.. I mean it can't hurt can it? (that's my motto )

I probably won't decide till late tomorrow 5-6 p.m. as that's last minute to get in his seminar..

I guess since I don't have feelings either way.. this is just one of those decisions.. it doesn't matter which way you go..

The bottom-line truth is I attended his introduction seminar.. which was a lot of information I already knew.. but a person not in the know.. wouldn't know any of it

A seminar!!!! Sorry but those kind of skills are not learned in a seminar!!! I can almost vouch for that! Not saying (again) that it has to be your truth but doesn't becoming a shaman and all the other skills you want to master takes a bit more time and guidance and and one to one work??? Or is it just my beliefs

[themaster]

Yah, that's a limiting statement.. but yes.. one on one is good..

Yah, know I'm reading one of his pdf's and the information is good.. maybe this is kind of like one person, I read on here saying.. they liked abraham information.. but hated abraham-hicks voice.. (if I remember right)

I think in summation of the questions I got to ask.. there's no way going to his seminar I will be on the road to shaman quickly If I understood right.. I was just going to learn methods to re-integrate self..

I mean, I'm probably doing it already.. but in theory he has a better method or a "permission slip" but his methods and technique's even listening to them.. I wasn't listening on purpose do to terminology and whatever

I'm thinking in a way.. it may please me more to read his methods than any other way.. surprisingly.. (then again depends on the material.. he gave me a book on "the shift" and I snoozed that one mostly)

Rather than talking conjecture.. I'll just name this person..
Jim Self
Mastering Alchemy | Home

Some material I actually like from his website..
http://www.masteringalchemy.com/pdfs...3ascension.pdf

For the record he doesn't charge for all his classes I could have seen him 3 days in a row if I known this.. but these are likely all introductory classes.. with Q&A after 2 hours of the basics..
Mastering Alchemy | Free In-Person Classes

[marinik]

I tried to watch his video with an opened mind and heart. But I still can't find it in myself to believe him.

I would rather reread Abe or Seth... than listen to him for days and one more thing I can bet on you listening to his terminology more that the message, and it getting on your nerves more and more...

[themaster]

Well, that's where we differ then.. I do believe him.. mostly or almost completely.. I'm not into the idea of invalidation

I did fact check some stuff.. for correlation with my teacher..

You see I swear Bashar says Atlantis was created 25,000 years ago.. which he does.. this guy said 17,500 (I think one of their dates.. I was guessing him is just a little rounded off on purpose) surprisingly I didn't know this even from my own teacher.. Atlantis crumbled at 12,500 years ago or so.. but besides for the dates being a little off the information correlates.. but what I witnessed in person..

Was to me full on psychic/telepathic/download of correlating information.. I found that rather funny.. because in my recent session with bashar.. (trip #2) I saw that working for the first time too.. but with bashar it was never as easy as it was with him

There are always little things that don't correlate between these different teachers.. example seth says "you can't regrow a limb" but I don't take that as a idea to invalidate the message.. I just take that as a slip of the tongue or that they would not say the same thing now

(The difference being that maybe when talking to a channeled entity in a crowded room and they being there in a certain form or other.. vs. a human who has his powers/access turned on.. is a bit of a easier read)

You know if you really like seth that much if you haven't tried it you might like Elias's info.. their supposed to be tapped into "seth" energy.. but then again I'm pretty sure abe has said there tapped in too

[marinik]

Originally Posted by themaster

Well, that's where we differ then.. I do believe him.. mostly or almost completely.. I'm not into the idea of invalidation

I did fact check some stuff.. for correlation with my teacher..

You see I swear Bashar says Atlantis was created 25,000 years ago.. which he does.. this guy said 17,500 (I think one of their dates.. I was guessing him is just a little rounded off on purpose) surprisingly I didn't know this even from my own teacher.. Atlantis crumbled at 12,500 years ago or so.. but besides for the dates being a little off the information correlates.. but what I witnessed in person..

Was to me full on psychic/telepathic/download of correlating information.. I found that rather funny.. because in my recent session with bashar.. (trip #2) I saw that working for the first time too.. but with bashar it was never as easy as it was with him

There are always little things that don't correlate between these different teachers.. example seth says "you can't regrow a limb" but I don't take that as a idea to invalidate the message.. I just take that as a slip of the tongue or that they would not say the same thing now

(The difference being that maybe when talking to a channeled entity in a crowded room and they being there in a certain form or other.. vs. a human who has his powers/access turned on.. is a bit of a easier read)

You know if you really like seth that much if you haven't tried it you might like Elias's info.. their supposed to be tapped into "seth" energy.. but then again I'm pretty sure abe has said there tapped in too

Well if correlation is what will make you feel he is OK then this was you answer. i don't mean it in a literal way of course. There was a bit of irony in the rereading those authors. I take what I can or need, or, am ready for. Step by step. Quantum leap is just to "wide" for me from where I started. I believe but with a critical mind in away. So growing limbs is for the "soul/spirit/entity" in total sync with the vibration! Mine is humming the tune but is of from time to time!!!

Anyway, good luck and I truly hope you get what you were looking for.
Love m

[vartann]

Originally Posted by themaster

I want to be a magician, a shaman a person that create instantly in the now with specifics.. according to this guy as we transition to the 4th dimension this will become available..

seeking more power IS noble hence laudable - from light/dark perspectives alike as it shall eventually lead to Enlightenment (in "Time")...

but HOW MUCH power can you cope with PRESENTLY ??.
manifesting cool stuff, ok
(re-) shaping reality and travelling between dimensions, ok
turning your Enemies into (loving) Allies (Art of War) thanks to Vibrational Shifts, great

what if you are riding a motorbike, come to a stop waiting for your wife to pick up powdered milk for your kids and absentmindedly (or heedlessly) manifest teleporting or sliding through "physical" matter ??.

very "coooool" IF YOU ARE READY and WHOLE
if your mind is distracted in the LEAST, then i guess you might rematerialize INSIDE this very physical matter - which might create appealing Art from a Cesar's (the Sculptor) point of view, but Game Over in THIS Plane (for the time being at least)

what about telekinesis, but inadvertently shifting your focus (ok bit of antithetic clause but u got my point) on/into some car outside and having it slip and crush a child ??.

you are intelligent AND responsible - so deep inside of you, you know that WHEN you are ready and have reached the proper "level", then you won't hold yourself back.

same for me - goes without saying.

Pace e Salute

[themaster]

Originally Posted by vartann

what if you are riding a motorbike, come to a stop waiting for your wife to pick up powdered milk for your kids and absentmindedly (or heedlessly) manifest teleporting or sliding through "physical" matter ??.

So what? those were the words of my teacher at his last conference.. when someone told him they feared teleporting into a rock or mountain/tree

We are immortal beings we can't die.. only if we were standing there and going "well, ♥♥♥♥♥ I should be dead" would you maybe die right there.. only to be reloaded

Originally Posted by vartann

what about telekinesis, but inadvertently shifting your focus (ok bit of antithetic clause but u got my point) on/into some car outside and having it slip and crush a child ??.

Again this is a fear sell.. we can get those by watching science fiction.. but in truth I thinking more of these powers having a kind of failsafe system rather than a..

Let me turn my gaze over here and destroy this mountain.. "ohh, damn" not the 7-11

[iDreamCatcher]

I want to be a magician, a shaman a person that create instantly in the now with specifics

Here is a method of a teacher that actually did that.

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by themaster

I want to be a magician, a shaman a person that create instantly in the now with specifics..

Originally Posted by iDreamCatcher

Here is a method of a teacher that actually did that.

Once again, the Great Secrets of the Universe have a price tag Surely the possession of this power would obviate the need for such relatively mundane income sources? On top of that, if this is an integral property of our existence, it is our birthright and thus must be free...

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

Once again, the Great Secrets of the Universe have a price tag Surely the possession of this power would obviate the need for such relatively mundane income sources? On top of that, if this is an integral property of our existence, it is our birthright and thus must be free...

And I would agree with you the idea being in my case.. just speeding it up.. after all the idea is merely a "permission slip"

Remember that in a way you're using the fact that it costs money as a way to invalidate.. I will not say that this particular site or any method isn't a pyramid scheme but I will say there are multiple methods to the same goal.. there is no wrong way to go about it..