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bobp · 10-10-2009, 04:22 PM

Greetings All,
I recently got the book "your Soul's Plan" by Robert Schwartz. After reading this ( I have not completed it yet), I am a little confused about what destiny means?
If law of attraction is true then we determine whatever happens to us. If everything is predestined we don't have much control over the sequence of events in our lives. I feel there must a common ground between this but can't seem to put my finger on it. Maybe not...
Can anyone help me out here?
Thanks a lot in advance,
Bob

themaster · 10-10-2009, 05:51 PM

There is a thing call soul blueprint/theme, while I don't have it all down

(listening to it now) the idea is you made certain choices to experience things in this life in that theme.. they will come up and all you have to is make a choice about it.. that can be yes or no.. my understanding is we have free reign to do what we want and it was understood in non-physical that this may happen in this life.. some of us may have to validate our choice of yes or no multiple times or all the time but as long as we choose this is a validation for the theme..

That is my understanding.. hopefully that will be even clearer in a week

velvet1 · 10-16-2009, 05:58 AM

I actually read that book and thought it was really interesting. I actually had thought of this before, because I been trying to incorporate the LOA but was confused because of the books that I have read saying our lives are already planned. The way I see it is that we choose like a certain theme in our lives. Kind of like when we choose a subjects when it comes to learning. I believe that they're some things already pre-planned before we come here, and the other half is made by our will. In the book it said that some things are not planned, one story about this persons past incarnation. It said that his death was not planned but the soul of the body couldn't bear the pain of the incarnations body and decided it was best to go back home.

bmlyeryk · 10-16-2009, 12:21 PM

i think this "preplanned" destiny came from religions, the belief in this so-called "God" that created evrything (christinaity).

you cannot have both predeterminism and free will. its either one or the other. i choose LOA

you know how old beliefs stem from being "taught' things about yourself & others come from early childhood and earlier too? well those beliefs carry on and attract certain things to you the same way, until you chnage them
if a child believes they'reunworthy or did not get treated right, they will still attract what they think unconsciously, LOA doesnt only apply to older people

Erin Pavlina · 10-16-2009, 02:12 PM

Destiny vs. Free Will

bmlyeryk · 10-16-2009, 03:18 PM

yeah i dont believe in a soul that predermines you. things such as prenatal and birth traumas happen that shape the babies' brain & perception of themself & life. what the mom feels, the baby feels. it starts a viscious cycle in life until they choose to break it. nothing to do with a "soul" that chooses things

sorry im just annoyed with all the New Age theories

themaster · 10-16-2009, 07:14 PM

annoyed = lack = negative = belief/definition..

Your welcome to be annoyed but maybe you should listen to your emotional guidance system for once.. ?

bmlyeryk · 10-17-2009, 12:18 AM

my guidance is telling me i need to release old emotions and hurts. should the feelings be released, the beliefs and thoughts accociated with them should too

im just saying.....nothing is predestined if we have the ability to choose?

themaster · 10-17-2009, 04:38 AM

im just saying.....nothing is predestined if we have the ability to choose?

That's correct, yes..

There are really likely millions of ways to own beliefs/definitions and release them..

1. Is to own them.. acknowledge them say "thank you" for your energy and information that I am not in alignment with what I want/what this is/whatever

And then find what that belief/definition is and change it/modify it/replace it

2. Is the idea of releasing it yes..

Changing beliefs and definitions can be a difficult process and a simple process.. and really since it's all our own creation or allowance.. it's as easy or not easy as you make it.. so the truth is you can change 1 in 1 second or after years of working on it.. one thing my teacher warns about is make sure that the belief you take out isn't connected to a root belief.. (as then there will be more work to do)

10-10-2009, 04:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
bobp Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 3	Destiny: predetermined or determined by individual will? Greetings All, I recently got the book "your Soul's Plan" by Robert Schwartz. After reading this ( I have not completed it yet), I am a little confused about what destiny means? If law of attraction is true then we determine whatever happens to us. If everything is predestined we don't have much control over the sequence of events in our lives. I feel there must a common ground between this but can't seem to put my finger on it. Maybe not... Can anyone help me out here? Thanks a lot in advance, Bob

10-16-2009, 12:21 PM	#4 (permalink)
bmlyeryk Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 121	i think this "preplanned" destiny came from religions, the belief in this so-called "God" that created evrything (christinaity). you cannot have both predeterminism and free will. its either one or the other. i choose LOA you know how old beliefs stem from being "taught' things about yourself & others come from early childhood and earlier too? well those beliefs carry on and attract certain things to you the same way, until you chnage them if a child believes they'reunworthy or did not get treated right, they will still attract what they think unconsciously, LOA doesnt only apply to older people Last edited by bmlyeryk; 10-16-2009 at 12:24 PM.

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10-10-2009, 05:51 PM	#2 (permalink)
themaster Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: I'm a traveler everywhere and nowhere.. currently in Denver.. where else? Posts: 3,618	There is a thing call soul blueprint/theme, while I don't have it all down (listening to it now) the idea is you made certain choices to experience things in this life in that theme.. they will come up and all you have to is make a choice about it.. that can be yes or no.. my understanding is we have free reign to do what we want and it was understood in non-physical that this may happen in this life.. some of us may have to validate our choice of yes or no multiple times or all the time but as long as we choose this is a validation for the theme.. That is my understanding.. hopefully that will be even clearer in a week

10-16-2009, 05:58 AM	#3 (permalink)
velvet1 Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 99	I actually read that book and thought it was really interesting. I actually had thought of this before, because I been trying to incorporate the LOA but was confused because of the books that I have read saying our lives are already planned. The way I see it is that we choose like a certain theme in our lives. Kind of like when we choose a subjects when it comes to learning. I believe that they're some things already pre-planned before we come here, and the other half is made by our will. In the book it said that some things are not planned, one story about this persons past incarnation. It said that his death was not planned but the soul of the body couldn't bear the pain of the incarnations body and decided it was best to go back home.

10-16-2009, 03:18 PM	#6 (permalink)
bmlyeryk Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 121	yeah i dont believe in a soul that predermines you. things such as prenatal and birth traumas happen that shape the babies' brain & perception of themself & life. what the mom feels, the baby feels. it starts a viscious cycle in life until they choose to break it. nothing to do with a "soul" that chooses things sorry im just annoyed with all the New Age theories

10-16-2009, 07:14 PM	#7 (permalink)
themaster Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: I'm a traveler everywhere and nowhere.. currently in Denver.. where else? Posts: 3,618	annoyed = lack = negative = belief/definition.. Your welcome to be annoyed but maybe you should listen to your emotional guidance system for once.. ?

10-17-2009, 12:18 AM	#8 (permalink)
bmlyeryk Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 121	my guidance is telling me i need to release old emotions and hurts. should the feelings be released, the beliefs and thoughts accociated with them should too im just saying.....nothing is predestined if we have the ability to choose?

10-17-2009, 04:38 AM	#9 (permalink)
themaster Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: I'm a traveler everywhere and nowhere.. currently in Denver.. where else? Posts: 3,618	im just saying.....nothing is predestined if we have the ability to choose? That's correct, yes.. There are really likely millions of ways to own beliefs/definitions and release them.. 1. Is to own them.. acknowledge them say "thank you" for your energy and information that I am not in alignment with what I want/what this is/whatever And then find what that belief/definition is and change it/modify it/replace it 2. Is the idea of releasing it yes.. Changing beliefs and definitions can be a difficult process and a simple process.. and really since it's all our own creation or allowance.. it's as easy or not easy as you make it.. so the truth is you can change 1 in 1 second or after years of working on it.. one thing my teacher warns about is make sure that the belief you take out isn't connected to a root belief.. (as then there will be more work to do)

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