Can the power of OTHER'S belief affect your outcomes?

[NicB]

So, if OUR intentions and thoughts manifest into our reality, can OTHER'S intentions and thoughts affect our reality?

For example, if you believe you will succeed at something... but 10 people believe you will fail... are you less likely to achieve your goal?

And what if, you believe you will succeed at something, and 150 people believe you will succeed also, and 100 people believe you will fail... Does the power of their belief calculate into the manifestation of whether you succeed or fail?

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by NicB

So, if OUR intentions and thoughts manifest into our reality, can OTHER'S intentions and thoughts affect our reality?

For example, if you believe you will succeed at something... but 10 people believe you will fail... are you less likely to achieve your goal?

And what if, you believe you will succeed at something, and 150 people believe you will succeed also, and 100 people believe you will fail... Does the power of their belief calculate into the manifestation of whether you succeed or fail?

Only if you think about their belief/thought which causes it to become your belief or thought.

Otherwise no.

Nobody can offer vibration for you. And you can't offer vibration for them either.

[gg282]

I agree with Anagogy. Other people can observe your reality has you can theirs. I think what your are talking about may me mass consciousness.

Instead of going into a long post here, google it to read more about it.

[Indy107]

Originally Posted by NicB

So, if OUR intentions and thoughts manifest into our reality, can OTHER'S intentions and thoughts affect our reality?

For example, if you believe you will succeed at something... but 10 people believe you will fail... are you less likely to achieve your goal?

And what if, you believe you will succeed at something, and 150 people believe you will succeed also, and 100 people believe you will fail... Does the power of their belief calculate into the manifestation of whether you succeed or fail?

If you read RH Jarretts little red book, IT WORKS, he tells you to 1) read your list of goals every day - morning, noon, and night, 2) think about your goals often, and 3) TELL NO ONE

Why tell no one? Because those 10 people who think you will fail may cause YOU to think you'll fail - and then you're done. Same with the 100 people. They can't create in your reality - unless YOU let them, by giving in to their beliefs.

If you read the bible, every time Jesus healed someone, he would instruct them to tell no one about it. Same reason. "According to your faith will it be done to you" YOUR faith, not someone elses lack of...

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by NicB

So, if OUR intentions and thoughts manifest into our reality, can OTHER'S intentions and thoughts affect our reality?

The most accurate answer to this question is that it depends on what you mean by the word "you".

You see, the "you" concept is not very clear-cut. There are an infinite number of ways to see "you".

In some models of reality, there is only one person around - you. And everything and everyone else is a manifestation of your thought. Therefore it is meaningless to speak of "other people's intentions".

In other models of reality, there are "others", but if they are in your environment, they were drawn there by your own thoughts. And if what they think, say and do affects your intentions, then those effects are created by yourself, on yourself, too.

etc etc.

[NicB]

Ok, well here's an example.

Say i have a project, like a band, of which i believe will one day make an impact and rise into the public eye.
But say 100 people believe it wont, and 150 people believe it will. But nobody has communicated on the topic, it is merely a personal thought/belief for everybody.
Does the band's success depend on the creator's belief, or does the beliefs of everybody affect its outcome?

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by NicB

Ok, well here's an example.

Say i have a project, like a band, of which i believe will one day make an impact and rise into the public eye.
But say 100 people believe it wont, and 150 people believe it will. But nobody has communicated on the topic, it is merely a personal thought/belief for everybody.
Does the band's success depend on the creator's belief, or does the beliefs of everybody affect its outcome?

YOUR experiences are dependent solely on your thoughts/beliefs.

As Abraham would say, the universe is like a well stocked kitchen, with every possible ingredient you can imagine.

As long as your attention is pure, you will attract all the ingredients necessary for the fulfillment of your desire. That includes people that are in harmony with your intentions.

The only caveat is that you must stop caring what other people think, and stay true to your own desires and beliefs. If your desire is not congruent with your beliefs, failure and frustration can only result.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by NicB

So, if OUR intentions and thoughts manifest into our reality, can OTHER'S intentions and thoughts affect our reality?

For example, if you believe you will succeed at something... but 10 people believe you will fail... are you less likely to achieve your goal?

And what if, you believe you will succeed at something, and 150 people believe you will succeed also, and 100 people believe you will fail... Does the power of their belief calculate into the manifestation of whether you succeed or fail?

One person's belief can literally change the reality of thousands in a moment.

For example, last Sunday, my family and I drove up to Birmingham (UK) to see Andrea Bocelli, live. We and hundreds of others believed we were going to enjoy an incredible concert. Minutes before he was due to appear, an announcement was made, saying the concert was cancelled - he had a throat infection.

So, his 'belief' in having a throat infection directly changed our reality, our belief and our expectations. We believed he was going to appear. He believed he wasn't!

[Mynder]

Do the other members of the band share this belief? Or does the lead guitarist doubt it, and stop practicing because "it just doesn't matter anyway"?

Beliefs can be held in thought only, but acting on these beliefs takes the game to a new level. Now you actively LIVE your beliefs. You practice. You play the music. You do your best to get in touch with people who might open doors at record companies/let you play in their pub etc.

Actions are, in a way, manifestations of beliefs, and very strong.

Ten people "know" without a doubt you and your band will fail. They are absolutely convinced of this. However, they take no action whatsoever except to reassert this simple fact in their minds.

You represent the "opposing party" in this "struggle of will". You are convinced without a doubt that you and your band will succeed big time. You are absolutely certain. And because you are so certain, you practice every day, and you do your best to get and keep in touch with influential people, spread your music around wherever you think it may be beneficial, etc.

What do you believe? Will your odds be better than if none of this "mental knowingness" were present? Will you make it? Will you fail? What difference does taking action make? Any at all?

[jeff3]

Originally Posted by Indy107

If you read RH Jarretts little red book, IT WORKS, he tells you to 1) read your list of goals every day - morning, noon, and night, 2) think about your goals often, and 3) TELL NO ONE

Why tell no one? Because those 10 people who think you will fail may cause YOU to think you'll fail - and then you're done. Same with the 100 people. They can't create in your reality - unless YOU let them, by giving in to their beliefs.

If you read the bible, every time Jesus healed someone, he would instruct them to tell no one about it. Same reason. "According to your faith will it be done to you" YOUR faith, not someone elses lack of...

Jesus also instructed them to "go their way, and tell no man what had been done"


I also think this phenomena is why the saying "pride before the fall' is relevant, when someone becomes prideful and boasts they will naturally arouse envy and cause some to hope for their failing. On the other hand, if a team has a very successful member and they are supported by the rest of the team and fans they may be propelled to greatness. Chinese mystics have well documented this in the I-Ching and warnings are frequently given to remain humble when success arrives because boasting arouses envy which leads to strife.

There are occult ways to diffuse your enemies without them even knowing it,...........

[Gene]

Originally Posted by Anagogy

Only if you think about their belief/thought which causes it to become your belief or thought.

Otherwise no.

Nobody can offer vibration for you. And you can't offer vibration for them either.

I think sometimes the people we surround ourselves with can affect our vibration in much the same way two identical tuning forks can. The example is strike one tuning fork and put it in close proximity to the other tuning fork and it will start vibrating without ever physically touching the first tuning fork.

My Grandmother always said, "birds of a feather stick together." She believed if she knew someones close friends she could have an excellent idea of the kind of person a man or woman was without spending much time with that person.

I believe no matter how intently one practices the LOA he/she is limited by hanging with a large number of, for lack of a better term, low vibration people who are stuck and moving nowhere except downward and older.

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Gene

I believe no matter how intently one practices the LOA he/she is limited by hanging with a large number of, for lack of a better term, low vibration people who are stuck and moving nowhere except downward and older.

Ah, but see, when you change your vibrational offering, you WON'T be hanging around with those low vibration people. They will fall out of your life.

But I like your tuning fork analogy. And I agree with you that, as long as those people who are vibrating like that are in your life, that their resonance will make it easier to stay where you are, than where you want to be. However, it can be overcome, it just has to be done gradually, by training yourself to notice only those things that resonate with your desires, be it wealth, or fame, or whatever.

Noticing it, is saying "yes" to it, whether you want it or not.

[Angela]

If you have enough personal power, you can transform a "low-vibrational" person into a "high-inspirational" person.

You might even get so good at it that you never even notice any "low-vibrational" persons.

[Gene]

Originally Posted by Anagogy

Ah, but see, when you change your vibrational offering, you WON'T be hanging around with those low vibration people. They will fall out of your life.

Yes, if a person is truly working the LOA philosophy they will no longer hang out with low vibration people. The thing is when an individual first starts the LOA path they are still surrounded by people with the same vibration they are attempting to change.

It's my belief that many people resonate so strongly to the unwanted vibration that they start sympathetically vibrating to the same level. A lot of people who say that LOA does not work are people who are unwilling to leave the old crowd. They are unwilling to let people fall from their life.

For those who "succeed" at LOA, there are many people, places, things, and ideas that fall from their life making room for the life they truly desire.

[Gene]

Originally Posted by Angela

If you have enough personal power, you can transform a "low-vibrational" person into a "high-inspirational" person.

You might even get so good at it that you never even notice any "low-vibrational" persons.

I agree with you. A person can get so good at it they never really notice negativism in others. This is not usually a skill that someone who has recently started walking the path of LOA has in his tool box yet.

[NicB]

Can you guys give an example of the kind of traits (their actions, thoughts, beliefs) of one who is low in vibration?

I'm not sure whether some of my friends fit into that category or not.

And while you're at it, feel free to give an example the traits of someone who is high in vibration?

[themaster]

Originally Posted by NicB

Can you guys give an example of the kind of traits (their actions, thoughts, beliefs) of one who is low in vibration?

I'm not sure whether some of my friends fit into that category or not.

And while you're at it, feel free to give an example the traits of someone who is high in vibration?

These are tough questions your asking.. I'm not sure any teachers such as abraham or bashar have tackled these..

They also then make us have to judge another person, not the best.. you can answers these questions yourself.. you have the ability to read vibrations/energy just as well as anyone.. (generally) sometimes we label it as "body language" but if I understand right.. it's actually information provided via the 2nd chakra..

Anyway here's a good way to examine people if you want

Positive energy = integrative energy and
negative energy = segregative

[moonrambler]

positive energy = open and unlimited possibility

closed energy = closed to possibilities, limited outlook

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by NicB

Can you guys give an example of the kind of traits (their actions, thoughts, beliefs) of one who is low in vibration?

I'm not sure whether some of my friends fit into that category or not.

And while you're at it, feel free to give an example the traits of someone who is high in vibration?

High vibration dude sees abundance in everything.

Low vibration dude sees lack in everything.

High vibration dude looks for things that make him happy or joyful or appreciative.

Low vibration dude looks for things that make him angry or fearful or shameful.

High vibration dude always has energy because he is excited about all the infinite creative possibilities he can experience.

Low vibration dude always feels tired and lethargic and never has "time" to get what he needs done.

High vibration dude feels physically wonderful, and never gets sick because negative vibrational realities are not compatible with positive vibrational realities. He could get sick if he wanted sickness, but he doesn't, so he is always healthy.

Low vibration dude feels terrible and has aches and pains, and gets colds and other viral maladies all the time. He couldn't get healthy for a consistent period of time even if he wanted to in his present vibrational state. But if he raises his vibration he could certainly achieve wellness.

High vibration dude feels confident, secure, and worthy of all good things that come to him.

Low vibration dude is timid, insecure, and feels unworthy of the things he desires.

High vibration dude has beliefs that always agree with his desires. For example, if he wants money, he believes he will get it.

Low vibration dude has beliefs which undermine all his desires. Low vibration dude wants a girlfriend but believes he is unattractive, boring, and that nobody wants anything to do with him. On the other hand, if high vibration dude wants a girlfriend, he easily gets one because he knows he's charming, desirable, and has a magnetic smile.

Get the picture?

[Jack]

Originally Posted by Anagogy

High vibration dude sees abundance in everything.

Low vibration dude sees lack in everything.

High vibration dude looks for things that make him happy or joyful or appreciative.

Low vibration dude looks for things that make him angry or fearful or shameful.

High vibration dude always has energy because he is excited about all the infinite creative possibilities he can experience.

Low vibration dude always feels tired and lethargic and never has "time" to get what he needs done.

High vibration dude feels physically wonderful, and never gets sick because negative vibrational realities are not compatible with positive vibrational realities. He could get sick if he wanted sickness, but he doesn't, so he is always healthy.

Low vibration dude feels terrible and has aches and pains, and gets colds and other viral maladies all the time. He couldn't get healthy for a consistent period of time even if he wanted to in his present vibrational state. But if he raises his vibration he could certainly achieve wellness.

High vibration dude feels confident, secure, and worthy of all good things that come to him.

Low vibration dude is timid, insecure, and feels unworthy of the things he desires.

High vibration dude has beliefs that always agree with his desires. For example, if he wants money, he believes he will get it.

Low vibration dude has beliefs which undermine all his desires. Low vibration dude wants a girlfriend but believes he is unattractive, boring, and that nobody wants anything to do with him. On the other hand, if high vibration dude wants a girlfriend, he easily gets one because he knows he's charming, desirable, and has a magnetic smile.

Get the picture?

Seems like I am a low vibration person mostly.

I was thinking about asking a question like Nicb's on the forum.Now did I create/attract this experience to myself?But I didn't cause NicB to ask this question,right?But maybe there was a telepathic thing happened between us?For example I thought that I may ask this question,and I transmitted my thought to NicB through telepathy(unconsciously),started to think about it,and then he decided to ask this question?Or the opposite,NicB was thinking about this topic,he sent me his thought through telepathy(unconsciously),then I thought about this question before he asked.And he asked that question on the forum?

[SmartAlx]

Originally Posted by Indy107

If you read the bible, every time Jesus healed someone, he would instruct them to tell no one about it. Same reason. "According to your faith will it be done to you" YOUR faith, not someone elses lack of...

COMPLETELY FALSE!!

The Widow's Son: Luke 7:11-17
Lazarus: John 11:1-44

Jesus only told them to keep it quiet ONCE, when he raised a girl from the dead: Mark 5:21-43

This is the first time Jesus raised someone from the dead and it was in a private setting. The other two times that Jesus raised the dead were in a public setting. The reason he didn't want people to spread it around was he didn't want the authorities to feel that he was a threat, yet. He still had work to do. Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead in front of his enemies. After that the Pharisees DID become threatened by Jesus. John 11:45-53 That is when they decided that they needed to get rid of him.

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Jack

Seems like I am a low vibration person mostly.

I was thinking about asking a question like Nicb's on the forum.Now did I create/attract this experience to myself?But I didn't cause NicB to ask this question,right?But maybe there was a telepathic thing happened between us?For example I thought that I may ask this question,and I transmitted my thought to NicB through telepathy(unconsciously),started to think about it,and then he decided to ask this question?Or the opposite,NicB was thinking about this topic,he sent me his thought through telepathy(unconsciously),then I thought about this question before he asked.And he asked that question on the forum?

You didn't exactly cause NicB to ask the question. However, you *DID* cause this answer (and question) to come into your experience though. I suppose what I'm saying is, because of your particular vibrational offering, if NicB would not have asked it, someone else would have come forth to do it who wanted to ask it, because that is your vibrational offering. NicB just happened to be a vibrational match to what you wanted -- in which case, he became the vessel or catalyst for your attraction experience to occur.

You see, the victim manifests the victimizer and the victimizer also simultaneously manifests the victim. They have matching vibrational offerings, so they enter each others experience. But if either of the two was not matched up with the other, they could NOT enter each others experience. They would be repelled from each other to the degree that they are different vibrationally.

In summation, the telepathy concept you expressed above WAS occurring -- that is to say that information was being shared, unconsciously. But the fact is, you were BOTH receiving from each other at the same time, and furthermore, the reason you both acted on this information is because you were a match for each others vibrational offering, which allowed that exchange of thoughts and intent to occur in the first place.

Does that make sense?

[themaster]

What anagogy said to a extent

I would however just look at as a synchronicity.. makes it easy..

[Jack]

Thanks for your answers Anagogy and themaster.

Anagogy

You didn't exactly cause NicB to ask the question. However, you *DID* cause this answer (and question) to come into your experience though. I suppose what I'm saying is, because of your particular vibrational offering, if NicB would not have asked it, someone else would have come forth to do it who wanted to ask it, because that is your vibrational offering. NicB just happened to be a vibrational match to what you wanted -- in which case, he became the vessel or catalyst for your attraction experience to occur.

You see, the victim manifests the victimizer and the victimizer also simultaneously manifests the victim. They have matching vibrational offerings, so they enter each others experience. But if either of the two was not matched up with the other, they could NOT enter each others experience. They would be repelled from each other to the degree that they are different vibrationally.

In summation, the telepathy concept you expressed above WAS occurring -- that is to say that information was being shared, unconsciously. But the fact is, you were BOTH receiving from each other at the same time, and furthermore, the reason you both acted on this information is because you were a match for each others vibrational offering, which allowed that exchange of thoughts and intent to occur in the first place.

Does that make sense?

Let's say that I want to create/attract people with purple hair in/into my experience.Is it possible?If I believe that there are people with purple hair,do they come into my experience?What if noone likes having purple hair(so they don't dye their hair)?I cannot cause I can only attract?

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Jack

Thanks for your answers Anagogy and themaster.



Let's say that I want to create/attract people with purple hair in/into my experience.Is it possible?If I believe that there are people with purple hair,do they come into my experience?What if noone likes having purple hair(so they don't dye their hair)?I cannot cause I can only attract?

You can influence, but you cannot take away someones free will. According to Abraham, the universe is like a well stocked kitchen with every possible ingredient imaginable. And they say if you have the wherewithal to develop a sincere desire for something, the universe has the resources and wherewithal to deliver it.

In other words, if you sincerely wanted purple haired people in your experience, the universe would find a way of delivering them to you, provided you came into perfect vibrational alignment with that. We can't begin to presume the resources available to the infinite cosmos. We are talking about the energy that creates worlds -- purple haired people would not be a big deal for such an energy.

[NicB]

Wow.

I love this forum.

[NicB]

Also...

Originally Posted by Anagogy

High vibration dude sees abundance in everything.

Low vibration dude sees lack in everything.

High vibration dude looks for things that make him happy or joyful or appreciative.

Low vibration dude looks for things that make him angry or fearful or shameful.

High vibration dude always has energy because he is excited about all the infinite creative possibilities he can experience.

Low vibration dude always feels tired and lethargic and never has "time" to get what he needs done.

High vibration dude feels physically wonderful, and never gets sick because negative vibrational realities are not compatible with positive vibrational realities. He could get sick if he wanted sickness, but he doesn't, so he is always healthy.

Low vibration dude feels terrible and has aches and pains, and gets colds and other viral maladies all the time. He couldn't get healthy for a consistent period of time even if he wanted to in his present vibrational state. But if he raises his vibration he could certainly achieve wellness.

High vibration dude feels confident, secure, and worthy of all good things that come to him.

Low vibration dude is timid, insecure, and feels unworthy of the things he desires.

High vibration dude has beliefs that always agree with his desires. For example, if he wants money, he believes he will get it.

Low vibration dude has beliefs which undermine all his desires. Low vibration dude wants a girlfriend but believes he is unattractive, boring, and that nobody wants anything to do with him. On the other hand, if high vibration dude wants a girlfriend, he easily gets one because he knows he's charming, desirable, and has a magnetic smile.

Get the picture?

I really like this summary.
If there's any more i'd like to see that too.

[impaul99]

I've been thinking about this a lot lately too.

One thing I also figured out is that it all depends on how you see things.

For example, if all you believe to be "real" is what your physical senses see, and not your imagination, then you will be more susceptible to being affected by the vibration of those around you.

When you get around "positive" people it will be easy for you to be positive because positive things will happen to you.

When you get around "negative" people it will be easy for you to be negative because negative things will happen to you.

If, however, you trust your faith more than what you are seemingly experiencing temporarily in this moment, (which isn't real anyways), then you gain control of things.

You can get around "negative" people, and they'll point of all the "negative" things in your present reality according to what their senses are showing them, and you'll basically ignore their perceptions, choosing instead to see things from your own point of view.

For example, you can turn on the news and hear all the doom and gloom about the economy and either:
(1) Choose to believe the "official reports" and allow the negativity to manifest in your life as well.

or

(2) Choose to have faith in the fact that what is being presented is only one side of the coin, and that there is a reason why there is a big change in the economy right now. The old way of doing business is ending as humanity moves to a new way of doing things. From a limited point of view, people are screaming that the sky is falling, but you can choose to see the changes as a positive thing.

That decision making process in between PERCEPTION and INTERPRETATION OF PERCEPTION controls your ability to manifest things. If you learn to CHOOSE to interpret your perceptions yourself, then others don't affect you much. If however you allow others to interpret the meaning of the world you perceive around you, for you, then you're at the mercy of their views.

In the band example, think of Michael Jackson and the Jackson 5. If Michael had a vision that was much larger than the band he was in, it didn't matter. The band lived their vision, and Michael lived his. If your intention is to be a musician and to create beautiful music, nobody can stop you.

It may not work out in the band you're in right now, but that doesn't matter. If you eliminate the "how" out of the equation, you can attract the best way to achieve what you want without having to worry about other people's negativity.

[PerDev]

Yes Definatly they DO.. Others Actions, Behaviors and Beliefs definatly Affect you .. Others Focus on you can affect you.. Thats True and specially when you are reactive ..
If you are proactive you can turn the tide .. But it require significant effort. Its how you use your POWER ..

Originally Posted by NicB

So, if OUR intentions and thoughts manifest into our reality, can OTHER'S intentions and thoughts affect our reality?

For example, if you believe you will succeed at something... but 10 people believe you will fail... are you less likely to achieve your goal?

And what if, you believe you will succeed at something, and 150 people believe you will succeed also, and 100 people believe you will fail... Does the power of their belief calculate into the manifestation of whether you succeed or fail?