The real secret behind LoA - absolutely shocking!

[Cantando]

The truth is so funny, sometimes, when it hits you smack in the face!

Well, here it is! I'm not going to knock LoA. In fact, quite the opposite, and I'm going to endorse ALG as its model A* student, for all LoA'ers to follow!

If God wanted to communicate with people today and win round those who are fixated on material things, what would he do? Well, he certainly wouldn't use threats and send down fire and brimstone. That certainly wouldn't convert them!

Instead, he would box clever and do something like - send down an angel called Abraham to communicate with Esther Hicks who would then write a book called, 'Ask and It is Given'.

Quite cleverly, God whets the reader's appetite by saying yes, you can have whatever you want, but your desire has to be in alignment with source, i.e. it has to be in accordance with God's will. So the reader diligently works his way through the book, absorbing the concepts of an ever-loving, constant-flowing source which wants to give joy and happiness to all. With patience, the reader begins to understands the futility and illusory nature of ego-driven desire and now seeks good things in line with source.

After finishing the book, the reader is no longer much interested in money or looking younger any more. He/she now believes in a loving, all-powerful source (God) and is now chomping at the bit to go out and help others.

It's all part of God's plan!

ALG, I have noticed your steady progress over the last couple of years. You have successfully gone the course! Well done, I salute you!

You have far surpassed all the other dunces (picture: Homer Simpson) who didn't quite get the message and are still stuck in Chapter 1, wondering why they can't manifest a bottle of Duff beer, no matter how hard they visualize (Doh!)

[Michelle]

Originally Posted by Cantando

Instead, he would box clever and do something like - send down an angel called Abraham to communicate with Esther Hicks who would then write a book called, 'Ask and It is Given'.

I have to admit I don't think Abraham is an angel of God. I think Abraham is God talking to us.

[Warping]

I've never manifested alcohol, I just didn't need it.

I have manifested a lot of drugs though! Seriously, if I set an intention for positive use of a consciousness expanding substance, I get it. This has happened over half a dozen times.

It has never worked for me if I want it just for any other purpose.

[CoolBee]

Good thinking Cantando!

This ties up somewhat with an analysis of Christian prayer I read years ago (and alas have forgotten the book)

Basically, ask and you shall receive - etc 'in the name of Christ' etc (and I haven't checked quotes here or anything) - leads to a similar conclusion to yours - by the time you have absorbed the Christian message, the type of things you ask for will be quite different from lining up the Cadillac, Cartier, Versace etc goodies!

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Michelle

I have to admit I don't think Abraham is an angel of God. I think Abraham is God talking to us.

Better still! Thanks.

[Warping]

From my point of view, there is definitely something to intention-manifestation. I'm more interested in results than in theory, though theory can be fun and very interesting. There are so many models to explain all this, pick one that resonates with you and dive in.

I've tried switching from a lot of different models/contexts, some have more intellectual resonance (advaita, magick), some have more emotional resonance (most theistic models, christianity for me), etc.

Maybe Source got really lonely, gave itself amnesia and blew itself up.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by CoolBee

Good thinking Cantando!

This ties up somewhat with an analysis of Christian prayer I read years ago (and alas have forgotten the book)

Basically, ask and you shall receive - etc 'in the name of Christ' etc (and I haven't checked quotes here or anything) - leads to a similar conclusion to yours - by the time you have absorbed the Christian message, the type of things you ask for will be quite different from lining up the Cadillac, Cartier, Versace etc goodies!

Totally agree, CoolBee.

When I first read Ask and It is Given, I noticed several Christian references (apart from the title). I was quite cynical at that time, and thought it was new-age attempt to deceive lukewarm Christians. Now, perhaps, could it really be the same God who is communicating to us, in a way some doubters/non-believers can accept?

[Andrew Gubb]

That's more or less what I think too. You can transform the world if you let God transform you.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Warping

Maybe Source got really lonely, gave itself amnesia and blew itself up.

... a sort of cosmic Humpty Dumpty?

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Cantando

Totally agree, CoolBee.

When I first read Ask and It is Given, I noticed several Christian references (apart from the title). I was quite cynical at that time, and thought it was new-age attempt to deceive lukewarm Christians. Now, perhaps, could it really be the same God who is communicating to us, in a way some doubters/non-believers can accept?

To understand this is to understand.. that the message you accept/resonate.. is just a communication from self.. if you call that self god = fine

[Angela]

That's a nice perspective, Cantando -- I think it could work really well for many people.

[gg282]

I think and am hopefully soon to see the results of a LoA experiment that I am doing.

Something that is not mentioned as much as it should be here is the power of the Sub-Conscious.

I am discovering as well as experiencing that any thoughts that have been or are residing in my sub-conscious will be played out in my life. The sub-conscious when compared to your (ego) consciousness are different aspects. There is a saying... "be careful what you think about because it may come about".

What ever ideas or beliefs that are planted or accepted by the sub-conscious will be experienced. So if this is true, then we can most certainly use it to our advantage.

And this is where I have recently discovered a better more productive way to use subliminal programming. Basically listing to a recording while I am sleeping. I also discovered that if the recording is in my own voice and speaking in present tence, the "idea" or affirmation is much more likely to be accepted by the Sub-Conscious. Because since I trust ME, it is like that I will believe what I am telling my self.

Instead of hearing a recording in someone elses voice that says: "You are successful in all of your business endeavors". Chances of LoA success greatly increase, while I'm sleepng or in a real low brain wave state, listening to myself say to myself on a soft recording saying...
"I enjoy making at least $200 in my business". If accepted, then such a reality will be experienced in a future point of time, yet the affirmation is present tence.

I think this is one of the more powerful ways to do affirmations. Its easy to loop a recording and let it play softly at night.

The problem that I have with doing this now, is that I have a new born and a 2 year old, that are almost always active or crying. Hopefully things will calm down here so I can focus and concentrate on what i desire to have or occur in my life.

[Arboretor]

Originally Posted by Cantando

Quite cleverly, God whets the reader's appetite by saying yes, you can have whatever you want, but your desire has to be in alignment with source, i.e. it has to be in accordance with God's will. So the reader diligently works his way through the book, absorbing the concepts of an ever-loving, constant-flowing source which wants to give joy and happiness to all. With patience, the reader begins to understands the futility and illusory nature of ego-driven desire and now seeks good things in line with source.

After finishing the book, the reader is no longer much interested in money or looking younger any more. He/she now believes in a loving, all-powerful source (God) and is now chomping at the bit to go out and help others.

It's all part of God's plan!

You may well be right, as far as I am concerned. The occupation with the LOA and especially some of ALGs posts have definitely brought me nearer to God.

In that sense ALG might even be an angel of God - at least he acted like one for me.

[spirit4711]

Originally Posted by Cantando

...
Instead, he would box clever and do something like - send down an angel called Abraham to communicate with Esther Hicks who would then write a book called, 'Ask and It is Given'.
...

Box clever? A quite silly approach I would say for a human, let alone a god.

Why so indirect? Dropping hints like this and send us humans on a wild goose chase after the truth, and meanwhile laughing his ass off? I don't think so...

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by spirit4711

Box clever? A quite silly approach I would say for a human, let alone a god.

Why so indirect? Dropping hints like this and send us humans on a wild goose chase after the truth, and meanwhile laughing his ass off? I don't think so...

Silly, in your human eyes, perhaps. Why not? He moves in mysterious ways!

When my kids were little, we used different tactics to coax them to eat their vegetables, go to sleep, etc. Do you think that's silly?

[Michelle]

If God comes forth, it is because we humans have collectively called him. His manifestation is in response to that intention. We have called him forth to teach us about our reality, not to solve everything for us. That would take the very joy out of our creative existence.

I feel very touched that God would choose such an accessible, loving, non-threatening way to manifest. Really.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Arboretor

In that sense ALG might even be an angel of God - at least he acted like one for me.

That's a nice thing to say. He may well be, even without realizing it.

I think there may be times for many of us when we do act like an angel - passing on a comforting word or smile just when someone needs it most.

I can't remember the exact quote, but there is something about the holy spirit constantly at work, weaving and wending his way through all of us, searching us out, probing us, testing us and revealing the truth. If one way/path to the heart is blocked, he tries another. Again, all part of God's plan!

[Shane]

Are we talking about the Christian idea of God here?
Just wondering.

Also: What if I IM stuff that isn't in alignement with the Source/God?

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Michelle

If God comes forth, it is because we humans have collectively called him. His manifestation is in response to that intention. We have called him forth to teach us about our reality, not to solve everything for us. That would take the very joy out of our creative existence.

I feel very touched that God would choose such an accessible, loving, non-threatening way to manifest. Really.

Exactly. We have to invite him in. He knocks gently, but we decide whether to answer the door or not (remember the Holman Hunt painting - The Light of the World?)

He works in us and through us (given a chance).

[spirit4711]

Originally Posted by Cantando

Silly, in your human eyes, perhaps. Why not? He moves in mysterious ways!

It would surprise me if many people thought this was an intelligent way to help us humans... For an almighty god it seems pretty ineffective. So yes, mysterious, but crazy people also act mysterious to me .

When my kids were little, we used different tactics to coax them to eat their vegetables, go to sleep, etc. Do you think that's silly?

If it wasn't working, yes then it was silly if you persevered in the same tactics .

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by spirit4711

It would surprise me if many people thought this was an intelligent way to help us humans

Has it occurred to you that it may just be one of a million ways currently being used to help others realize there is more to life than desiring material things. There's more than one way to skin a cat. Even if it only helped one person, perhaps it is worth it.

BTW, why do you have a business web link in your posts? Chasing the money are we?

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Shane

Are we talking about the Christian idea of God here?
Just wondering.

Also: What if I IM stuff that isn't in alignement with the Source/God?

Can't speak for the others, but I am talking about the one, true God who manifested the universe.

We all have our own interpretations and views of who/what that is. My focus is generally Christian oriented, but I am happy to try and synthesize that with other interpretations, e.g. the idea of Source Energy flowing like a river (as explained in the Abraham Hicks/LoA books).

If your desire is not in alignment with Source, then it is probably coming from the ego. It may well manifest if you have magical skills, or if you just basically shoe-horn it through with lots of effort, but it probably won't bring you any lasting joy. ALG is the one to ask on the magick side of things.

For me (in this thread anyway), LoA is like a playground where children play with toys and experiment with manifestation and their imagination.

Eventually, they learn about what it means to be truly aligned with Source/God and they grow out of the desire to have material things. It is (as life is) a spiritual growth journey.

There is a meaning to it. You are part of a plan.

As someone else said (ALG?), there is no such thing as coincidence.

[spirit4711]

Originally Posted by Cantando

Has it occurred to you that it may just be one of a million ways currently being used to help others realize there is more to life than desiring material things. There's more than one way to skin a cat. Even if it only helped one person, perhaps it is worth it.

Yes that has occurred to me, but still I think some ways are much more effective than others. Even for gods .

BTW, why do you have a business web link in your posts? Chasing the money are we?

God told me to.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by spirit4711

Yes that has occurred to me, but still I think some ways are much more effective than others. Even for gods .



God told me to.

It's OK now, you can stop fighting yourself.

[jeff3]

Originally Posted by Cantando

The truth is so funny, sometimes, when it hits you smack in the face!


If God wanted to communicate with people today and win round those who are fixated on material things, what would he do? Well, he certainly wouldn't use threats and send down fire and brimstone. That certainly wouldn't convert them!

Instead, he would box clever and do something like - send down an angel called Abraham to communicate with Esther Hicks who would then write a book called, 'Ask and It is Given'.


It's all part of God's plan!

There is also the possibility that your preoccupation with these religious concepts (probably induced by prior programming) has caused you to veer off in this direction mentally and your synopsis is just the result of this line of thinking and nothing more. It is possible that there is no God and therefore no "God's Will" and that they are merely mental constructs built up over years of group thinking.

Maybe we are here on a "fun trip" from wherever we came from, our memories erased, born into physical reality to do "whatever". The LOA is simply the operating platform we chose before the trip. You can use it to do, be or have whatever you want or you can use it to create rules, religions, ethical/moral dilemmas to solve, a gods will to search for,.........you see where this could on forever.

You may not agree, but you should at least be smart enough to admit that it is a possibility, and therefore the possibility that the "truth that smacked you in the face" is just one of an infinite number of possibilities.

There is even the possibility that God is a rabbit made from chocolate and that we have all been deceived by his arch enemy Jesus who seeks to lead us astray with organized religion and the bible and his faux enemy Satan who is just added in to thicken the illusion.

[alexb5784]

I agree with your explanation of LOA and that ALG is a good person to watch. At first he rubbed me in the wrong way by a comment he made, so I swore him off. But after much thought I realized that he was right and had a valid point. He helped me see things from a more authentic and truthful perspective. I'm glad people like him are in this forum to help us grow

I'm currently reading The Power of Emotions by the Hicks. It's quite good. I'd like anyone's opinion on that book if they've read it.

Thanks!

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by jeff3

There is also the possibility that your preoccupation with these religious concepts (probably induced by prior programming) has caused you to veer off in this direction mentally and your synopsis is just the result of this line of thinking and nothing more. It is possible that there is no God and therefore no "God's Will" and that they are merely mental constructs built up over years of group thinking.

Maybe we are here on a "fun trip" from wherever we came from, our memories erased, born into physical reality to do "whatever". The LOA is simply the operating platform we chose before the trip. You can use it to do, be or have whatever you want or you can use it to create rules, religions, ethical/moral dilemmas to solve, a gods will to search for,.........you see where this could on forever.

You may not agree, but you should at least be smart enough to admit that it is a possibility, and therefore the possibility that the "truth that smacked you in the face" is just one of an infinite number of possibilities.

There is even the possibility that God is a rabbit made from chocolate and that we have all been deceived by his arch enemy Jesus who seeks to lead us astray with organized religion and the bible and his faux enemy Satan who is just added in to thicken the illusion.

Hilarious. Thanks for that. There is also the possibility that you are a green rabbit, Steve is a walrus and I don't exist.

[spirit4711]

Originally Posted by Cantando

It's OK now, you can stop fighting yourself.

LOL you're funny. Nice way to withdraw from the discussion. Just note you didn't really answer my implicit question: do you really believe that Abraham / Hicks is authentic, and God's will? And based on what?

Note: I've no proof whether Abraham / Hicks is authentic or not. It just strikes me as improbable, not very smart, and certainly not so effective for a god to help us humans.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by spirit4711

LOL you're funny. Nice way to withdraw from the discussion. Just note you didn't really answer my implicit question: do you really believe that Abraham / Hicks is authentic, and God's will? And based on what?

Note: I've no proof whether Abraham / Hicks is authentic or not. It just strikes me as improbable, not very smart, and certainly not so effective for a god to help us humans.

I'll give you my definitive answer which I hope will go some way to settling you.

My OP was partly tongue in cheek, but there was some seriousness in it.

Whether Abraham/Hicks is authentic or not does not register on my radar, just like the other thread on whether the Bible is true or not. Some parts may be, some parts may not be. It is always up for (endless) discussion and cerebral bashing.

Yes, I believe in one, true God. I believe he 'uses' us and moulds us, according to his will, to accomplish his plan. Christ used sinners, tax collectors and street-walkers to help get his message through. So, why can't God use Abraham/Hicks?

We, as humans, like to think we control everything, but we don't. God uses many tactics and strategies to bring souls closer to him. These may include many different scenarios and types of events - often labelled as coincidences. If one happens to you, it is personal to you and your universe. In fact, it's a bit like subjective reality - it is totally yours. It cannot be proven 'objectively'. Your world is actually filled with hints and signs pointing to this.

You have attracted these words into your consciousness because you invited them in. That is a prime example of what I am talking about.

These forums and discussions are not just happening by chance (like some evolutionay belief in mutation). They are happening just for you, because you wanted it, you invited it in. There is a reason for it - you are seeking the truth, and the signs and pointers are popping up everywhere in your subjective reality.

You may read 'God' as Source, All-that-is, the Universe, 'You', or whatever.

There is a spirit of truth that courses through each and every one of us. It is more real than the blood running through your veins. It is the source of love and joy and gives without measure.

All that is needed is for you to become conscious of it. Until you become conscious of it, you will continue to wonder, dabble, speculate and remain frustrated. You will never have an answer that satisfies you. Every avenue you take will result in a dead-end.

I wish you peace and that you find your 'Holy Grail'.

Cantando

One truth, many interpretations

[Landi Star]

Originally Posted by Cantando

Quite cleverly, God whets the reader's appetite by saying yes, you can have whatever you want, but your desire has to be in alignment with source, i.e. it has to be in accordance with God's will. So the reader diligently works his way through the book, absorbing the concepts of an ever-loving, constant-flowing source which wants to give joy and happiness to all. With patience, the reader begins to understands the futility and illusory nature of ego-driven desire and now seeks good things in line with source.

After finishing the book, the reader is no longer much interested in money or looking younger any more. He/she now believes in a loving, all-powerful source (God) and is now chomping at the bit to go out and help others.

It's all part of God's plan!

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For me, it's been the opposite of your formula.

"Enlightenment" (or "going beyond desires") came first. I learned to live in the now, to be nonattached and go with the flow, to get out of the overly-rational/thinking mind and be childlike and simple. Then, when I achieved contentment and fulfillment in the now, no longer run by grasping desires or "neediness"... THEN is when I was inspired to start playing with manifesting, like a happy child who plays and creates out of fulfillment (and not to get fulfillment).

I don't concern myself with "the will of God" or whether I'm aligned with Source or any of that (Those are abstract concepts to me, and I'm just too "zen"). And I don't concern myself with whether I'm "materialistic" or not (Though I'm more NOT than am).
I just play lightly, gravitating toward what feels good, right and wholesome (& beneficial to all).. "Consumerism" for the sake of having things, doesn't do it for me. Freedom to explore, experiment and create does.

I also don't concern myself with "Spirituality" or "Brotherly Love"... I just release (or don't entertain) any thoughts that don't feel good, and that includes thoughts that judge or condemn others (or myself) ...or that paint life darkly in any way.

PS. I've been into "spiritual practices" (meditation, etc) & LOA, etc for decades... And I must say that "deliberate manifestation" is still as fun as ever! (And I have no wish to transcend "manifesting"!)

Also, I'm not implying that the way I progressed on "the Path" is what's best for everyone. For some people it may work to first get into LOA and then move toward more spiritual involvement/insights/practices... Others might get into or "work" on everything at same time (LOA & Sprituality), etc, etc.


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