Do you manifest what you fear?

[SmartAlx]

I have heard on this forum that if you have fear in your manifestation that you won't get your manifestation at all.

I have also heard that if you have fear in your manifestation that you will get exactly what you fear.

I'd like some clarification on these two mutually exclusive contradictory statements.

Thanks.

[themaster]

Are you sure you want clarification often enough talking to you sometimes feels like a 'black hole' ???

To quote my teacher as best I can..

Fears are there to tell you that you have a definition/belief about your own energy and are there for you to look at that definition.. basically they can serve you in a positive way if you look for that definition/belief

I have now answered your question twice.. let me know if either answer works for you, if you need clarification or if you just prefer not to converse with me

[SmartAlx]

Originally Posted by themaster

I have now answered your question twice.. let me know if either answer works for you, if you need clarification

Clarification please. I don't see an answer to MY QUESTION there. You posted a reply, but it didn't answer my question.

My question is quite simple: do you manifest your fears? yes or no?

[themaster]

do you manifest your fears? yes or no?

Of course you can.. that which you think about you get.. my teacher says it this way "what you put out, is what you get back" (just for the record these are all descriptions for LOA = Law of Attraction)

Abraham has some interesting information on this too.. here comes my para-phrase.. abraham was asked about a scary movie..

Abraham para-phrase: The reason why you see a scary movie, get scared but don't immediately get attacked by the monster/serial killer/whatever is cause you don't actually believe those things will happen.. you see you believe it's a movie and because you consider it 'make believe' you disqualify it by saying it's not real

Need more clarification?

[themaster]

SmartAlx it would surprise me if you would just drop this line of inquiry with the answers I have given you above.. but I will attempt a few more explanations here.. just cause I want too.. (after all answering your questions can be thought provoking/fun.. but also annoying in that you never listen )

I have heard on this forum that if you have fear in your manifestation that you won't get your manifestation at all.

This probably true.. I say probably cause I'm not 100% sure against my teacher's information.. Fear is a emotion.. according to my teacher the reality prism is setup as

Beliefs/Definitions>Emotions/Thoughts>Action/Re-action

So when you get fear it means you first hit a belief or definition about reality you have.. the fear is a signal that it is in the wrong direction using the idea of EGS as well

The idea is whatever you want to manifest you have a belief/definition in the way and that's why..

Let's look at the fear or destroying the op's eye's (yes I know you are now the original poster )

If were to plug this in to the formula above.. we would assume the following

Statement - The op wants to know if they can change their eye color (even asking is a sign they don't understand their own power and is a sign of self imposed limitation)

So the op says I have fear about ruining my eyes.. basically what they're saying is as a GOD or as a creator they FEAR their own power.. they have a definition/belief that they don't even understand their own power or that losing eye's is a bad thing

That's the best I can surmise in text at this time.. without further motivation/questions

I have also heard that if you have fear in your manifestation that you will get exactly what you fear.

Incorrect only.. and I repeat only if you keep thinking it.. the more you think it the more powerful it becomes.. you attract through thoughts alone.. doesn't matter if the subject matter by us is defined as NEGATIVE/POSITIVE or NEUTRAL..

Let's try this idea as something you don't want.. a person on this forum once described this in a quick statement.. they said they knew a person.. who was very, very worried about being raped.. all the time.. that person eventually attracted a rape and felt better/got over it.. the idea is you get what you think about period.. whether again we define that as NEGATIVE/POSITIVE or NEUTRAL is up to individual..

[Bradshaw]

Originally Posted by SmartAlx

I have heard on this forum that if you have fear in your manifestation that you won't get your manifestation at all.

This is simply false in my experience.

Originally Posted by SmartAlx

I have also heard that if you have fear in your manifestation that you will get exactly what you fear.

And this is mostly true. I say mostly because I theorize you may not get *exactly* what you fear. But you will get something close to it or you will get exactly what you fear.

This is my personal experience. I attracted a couple of thieves back when I was terrified of being robbed. And really... so many things back when I was younger.

It does not truly matter if you love or fear. If you focus and concentrate on something for a long period of time you are going to attract it somehow, someway. You are thinking of it. You are putting energy into it. You will summon it into your reality.

[joelr]

Originally Posted by SmartAlx

I have heard on this forum that if you have fear in your manifestation that you won't get your manifestation at all.

I have also heard that if you have fear in your manifestation that you will get exactly what you fear.

I'd like some clarification on these two mutually exclusive contradictory statements.

Thanks.

It's not too hard to fit both concepts together in a linear way.

Manifesting takes time, if someone is working on health yet constantly fears sickness, FIRST that will tend to block the manifestation.

If the fear continues it will not only block IM but eventually the fear can create a negative manifestation.

Blocking a manifestation takes less energy than creating a manifestation.

In a scientifically accepted way you can see the same principle with stress. First it blocks your ability to be happy. Immediately. Later, chronic stress will lead to a physical manifestation, some type of illness physical or emotional.

[bmlyeryk]

TRUE! b/c you still focus on it and "expect" it to happen...manifesting does NOT have to take time


in the first few day i went to school...for some miraculous reason the guy i have a crush on ended up having to sit next to me when being late for class. hes nice & all but im quite shy.
i habitually 'worried' that he'll sit somewhere else or the teacher would switch around seats. i took pleasure in him (secretly) but i took precaution that ill lose it
sounds ridiculous, but he was growing a beard (shadow) too and it looked hot to me, and i worried he'd shave (last semester it didnt last long)

within a couple days he sat somewhere else and shaved! i dont know if it was b/c of my thinking or just a stupid coincidence

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by SmartAlx

I have heard on this forum that if you have fear in your manifestation that you won't get your manifestation at all.

I have also heard that if you have fear in your manifestation that you will get exactly what you fear.

I'd like some clarification on these two mutually exclusive contradictory statements.

They're not mutually exclusive. In fact, they are the same idea, worded differently. I thought that was very obvious, actually.

You want X, but you fear that you won't get it. The fear is just a kind of doubt (or a lack of faith). If the fear is great, then the likely outcome is you won't get X.

You could then say that:

(1) you didn't get what you manifested for (i.e you did not get X); or

(2) your fear manifested (i.e you did not get X).

Semantics. Like Peter walking on water, when he lacked faith. He sank. You could say that he didn't get the result he manifested for, or you could say that his fear manifested.

[SmartAlx]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

You want X, but you fear that you won't get it. The fear is just a kind of doubt (or a lack of faith). If the fear is great, then the likely outcome is you won't get X.

No no no! It's not that you fear that you won't get X. It's that you fear that in order to get X you must get Y.


Sorry, I guess I could have been more clear on this.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by SmartAlx

It's that you fear that in order to get X you must get Y.

Well, the first principle is that your thoughts create your reality.

So if you strongly believe that Y is a pre-requisite (or a necessary consequence) for X, then yes this increases the probability that indeed Y will indeed be such a pre-requisite for X (or such a necessary consequence of X).

This is not necessarily limited to situations involving "fear", but largely extends to general situations as well.

For example, if you believe extremely strongly that hard work is necessary & sufficient for career success, then that will be true in your reality. Therefore:

(1) You won't be successful in your career, unless you work hard; and
(2) You will be successful in your career, as long as you work hard.

Of course, other people's realities can be different. For example, some will succeed without working particularly hard, and others will not succeed, despite working hard

[garentee]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Well, the first principle is that your thoughts create your reality.

So if you strongly believe that Y is a pre-requisite (or a necessary consequence) for X, then yes this increases the probability that indeed Y will indeed be such a pre-requisite for X (or such a necessary consequence of X).

This is not necessarily limited to situations involving "fear", but largely extends to general situations as well.

For example, if you believe extremely strongly that hard work is necessary & sufficient for career success, then that will be true in your reality. Therefore:

(1) You won't be successful in your career, unless you work hard; and
(2) You will be successful in your career, as long as you work hard.

Of course, other people's realities can be different. For example, some will succeed without working particularly hard, and others will not succeed, despite working hard

Show me a farmer or fisherman who did not work hard and was successful...

[profitatlast]

My take on this question is:

If you put emotion into your thoughts you are going to attract what is constantly in your mind.

Fear is definitely a strong emotion, and what you are fearing you will attract.

As someone else replied, why don't you try and find the positive of whatever it is you are fearing. There is a positive to everything.

In other words, if you are fearing that you will be fired from your job, change it to thinking "If I DO lose my job it is an opportunity to find something better" and try not to look too much into the future.

Live in the NOW and have faith that tomorrow will look after itself.

Hope this helps a bit.

Fran

[themaster]

Originally Posted by garentee

Show me a farmer or fisherman who did not work hard and was successful...

This is a ignorant statement.. I'm not going to find you a news story to confirm this.. but I can tell you quite frankly plenty of farmers are getting rich selling there land to create housing here in my city

That was some damn hard work!

[garentee]

Originally Posted by themaster

This is a ignorant statement.. I'm not going to find you a news story to confirm this.. but I can tell you quite frankly plenty of farmers are getting rich selling there land to create housing here in my city

That was some damn hard work!

Yeah and that is the problem now then isnt it?.. I of course meant those that actually farm or fish as the case may be.. not the ones who stop what they are doing...

[garentee]

Originally Posted by profitatlast

My take on this question is:

If you put emotion into your thoughts you are going to attract what is constantly in your mind.

Fear is definitely a strong emotion, and what you are fearing you will attract.

As someone else replied, why don't you try and find the positive of whatever it is you are fearing. There is a positive to everything.

In other words, if you are fearing that you will be fired from your job, change it to thinking "If I DO lose my job it is an opportunity to find something better" and try not to look too much into the future.

Live in the NOW and have faith that tomorrow will look after itself.

Hope this helps a bit.

Fran

I do not think that everything you fear comes true.. Not by a long shot. Sometimes the fears(maybe90% of the time) are not based in real world truths.If everything we have feared over the course of our lives HAD come true the world would be a very different place.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by garentee

Show me a farmer or fisherman who did not work hard and was successful...

I take it you are still saying this is a true statement.. I bet you there are hundreds of farms that don't have the OWNER working in the field period.. I bet you many of them sit at a desk or in Fiji.. (not to mention the idea of how much easier farming has gotten with machines)

Your statement is very limiting.. it says.. I invalidate your truth ALG.. it's not this and that.. it's this or that

My imagination can provide me with 1,000's of ways to run a farm or fishing business without one IOTA of work.. what can yours do?

My imagination can provide me with 1,000's of ways to run a farm or fishing business without working hard and being successful.. what can yours do?

[garentee]

I do not need imagination to do it.. I just do it. The doing is the enjoyable part. Farming may have gotten"easier" due to machinery,but it is not that much easier, it just has put a LOT of people out of work. I am also speaking about People who farm, you know do the work it takes to put food on your table.. gee that is what a farmer is.. not someone who "owns a farm" and profits off of someone who works their land.. Come on I know that you know what I am talking about. I am curious as to what these ideas are perhaps we can have a little discussion about this...

[annie]

I trail run on a hot and dusty trail frequently and I have in my mind that if I go after 11:00 am that there will be snakes on the trail. (I have seen them, therefore it is easy to visualize)

Every time I've thought of that snake...I've seen him! So the trick for me is to NOT manifest the snake that I fear so much by thinking of him!

Or......is this just coincidence?

[themaster]

Originally Posted by garentee

Come on I know that you know what I am talking about. I am curious as to what these ideas are perhaps we can have a little discussion about this...

What you're talking about is limitation.. I will not say falsely that limitations are not all around us.. but if you expand your horizon to the future.. you'll know the truth that in the next 20-50 years we won't even need farmers.. if our scientist/geneticists would get to work.. they could build us food that can be grown in our homes.. I'll expand a bit more on this idea.. we can build homes from Biological units.. what does this mean?

It means in the future if our scientists would get on it.. we could grow homes from the earth, sun and water.. and our homes would be living and be erected a lot faster than conventional construction methods.. at least 25% or more of homes right now are made of biological matter anyway..

The idea is you can't say that farming is hard work.. cause right there out there in the NOW there are multiple farmers with the perspective of "man running this business is easy".. I'm moving to Fiji.. you can't say this idea about any job cause it just won't be true.. there will always be a variable in there with a positive/better perspective then the average.. unless you've spent the better part of your life interviewing every farmer out there and haven't found one, you can't even prove what you say.. and if you did interview every single one.. I'd still say you missed one

[garentee]

Originally Posted by themaster

What you're talking about is limitation.. I will not say falsely that limitations are not all around us.. but if you expand your horizon to the future.. you'll know the truth that in the next 20-50 years we won't even need farmers.. if our scientist/geneticists would get to work.. they could build us food that can be grown in our homes.. I'll expand a bit more on this idea.. we can build homes from Biological units.. what does this mean?

It means in the future if our scientists would get on it.. we could grow homes from the earth, sun and water.. and our homes would be living and be erected a lot faster than conventional construction methods.. at least 25% or more of homes right now are made of biological matter anyway..

The idea is you can't say that farming is hard work.. cause right there out there in the NOW there are multiple farmers with the perspective of "man running this business is easy".. I'm moving to Fiji.. you can't say this idea about any job cause it just won't be true.. there will always be a variable in there with a positive/better perspective then the average.. unless you've spent the better part of your life interviewing every farmer out there and haven't found one, you can't even prove what you say.. and if you did interview every single one.. I'd still say you missed one

You do not know any farmers do you? Futuristic scenarios do not exist right now...and the scientists/geneticists right now are beholden to a much more deleterious future for our food supply than self reliance..self reliance takes money out of their pockets... SO right now I can say with certainty there is not a REAL farmer out there that works with animals or grows fruit or vegetables that does not work their tails off and most are not laughing their way to the bank. The people that ARE making money are not the farmers..not by a long shot it is the people at companies that are irresponsible for the larger portion of our food supply, etc. I and a vast collection of millions of consumers are NOT interested in the pap that geneticists are trying to establish as "food". I would say that working hard at something you love to do is one of the greatest joys. At the end of my day I come home tired sore and dirty and love it. I consider myself successful because I do what I love to do...I do not feel limited because I see it for what it is, plus too I know the opportunities are unlimited in agriculture. I know for a fact you will not find a real farmer out there that does it because it is easy...We do it for the love of it and for the people that enjoy eating real food(Not that crap that you get at the super market)..The crap you get at the supermarket is grown by farmers who get very little in the way of money of their own.... Agribusiness is the grand and brilliant future you speak of with gmos and basically poisonous food sources... Do a little research. You will find nothing at all worthy being produced by these f&^%ers... and a very toxic footprint. Still the people who work for these agrigibusisness companies are working their arses off and making very little money.......Its very screwy our food supply is.Wake up... Do some research... talk to REAL farmers.. not the ones that are sitting in a coparate office building....Where do you think that food you had for breakfast came from? It does not just appear much as you might like think that it does. Come on. Really.

[themaster]

I'm tired of this conversation because you're not listening.. so I will change the format.. I find it hard to believe that we convinced you maybe you can change the weather.. and then you take the same kind of limitation about farming..

weather and LOA (for the record I have experimented with changing the weather and seen success since we had this conversation)

Okay, I know you're a farmer.. I know that you have a billion hours of experience.. but that doesn't change the fact and maybe you don't want to hear it.. that there's a easier way to do the work every time..

If you understand like I understand that we our gods.. that anything we can imagine can be done.. not just with hard WORK.. but with just asking/setting it up and receiving.. then you can't argue with the idea of what I'm talking.. farming is easy under that definition..

I'm going to repeat what I said.. you are creating a limitation in your universe.. (not my universe.. yours technically) I'm just trying to offer you the idea that, that limitation doesn't serve you..

I understand you have years of experience.. but if your truly open about change/understanding/learning then you might acknowledge that something you're so rigid with may have limitations in there you set..

The subject here doesn't have to be "farming" or "fishing" it can be a "moon business" a "climbing Everest" there is no difference in any of these things.. you are stating hard core fact.. "farming can't be easy" I am completely disagreeing.. my imagination is much more open than yours on this subject.. because I don't have years of experience and shall we say limitation experience unlike you.. and I don't seek to define in this conversation that said farm/business owner has to do any of the work himself..

[garentee]

and I don't seek to define in this conversation that said farm/business owner has to do any of the work himself..[/QUOTE]

Um then that IS NOT FARMING.. A farmer is a person who cultivates(works the soil)a farm.Not some person who wears a suit and tie....and sits behind a desk....
Until you have worked as a farmer and made it your lifes work you have nothing that is concrete other than some fallacy that you want to believe. Honestly. Go work for a farmer for a while and see what its really all about... BEFORE you make some ridiculous inflated claim that you can wish food into existence. I do this BECAUSE it is challenging. I LOVE the challenge. I climb steep mountain trails because I like the challenge. I agree you do not have to work your ass off all the time till you bleed or vomit or anything like that... But... and this is real... HARD WORK PAYS OFF. My original point to bring this full circle is that A farmer that does not push the envelope is not going to be as successful as the one that does. In the end I respectfully have to disagree with your point of view.. based on the fact that you do not have the experience I do... OK I have to back outside. I really did enjoy this debate and it gave me a break just now....have a good day.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by garentee

Um then that IS NOT FARMING.. A farmer is a person who cultivates(works the soil)a farm.Not some person who wears a suit and tie....and sits behind a desk....

You know if we were to travel back in time and ask a person sowing his field with ox drawn plow and show him a machine of the future running on gas.. he would also say that was not a "farmer" (if you were to ask a amish person today.. you might get the same answer too)

Given that farming is a business.. your comparison of the idea sounds silly.. perhaps you just have a thing against people in the business of farming/food.. corporate types rather than mom and pop types..

I mean where do the definitions and descriptions stop.. does the person from mexico working as a field hand not count as a farmer?

I'm glad you've enjoyed our discussion.. if it no longer serves.. fine by me..

[HAGITLOVE]

But the more i evolve, the less it happens, the more i realese my fears the less it happens.
I have learned to use my fears and change them in to a bliss.
Hagitlove

[garentee]

Originally Posted by themaster

You know if we were to travel back in time and ask a person sowing his field with ox drawn plow and show him a machine of the future running on gas.. he would also say that was not a "farmer" (if you were to ask a amish person today.. you might get the same answer too)

Given that farming is a business.. your comparison of the idea sounds silly.. perhaps you just have a thing against people in the business of farming/food.. corporate types rather than mom and pop types..

I mean where do the definitions and descriptions stop.. does the person from mexico working as a field hand not count as a farmer?

I'm glad you've enjoyed our discussion.. if it no longer serves.. fine by me..

Being stubborn and having a bit more to say on this topic, but I really do want to and will switch gears after this as I have somewhat hijacked this thread..To answer..
Do I have something against coparate types rather than MOm and pop types? Absolutely.. As there are a lot of abuses that happen by these coparate types. Mistreatment of Animals and the workers and the soil. Yup I sure do have a BIG fat problem with agribusiness. If I support it I am giving money to those that wish me out of business... Google Percy Schmeiser if you want a small picture of a very ugly faction of agriculture. Its not as if what is going on in the agribusiness world does not affect YOU... If you eat and you buy your food at the super market I would highly suggest doing research PRONTO to find out whats going on in your food supply. You can say that it is illusion, but tell that to farmers who have been sued for doing what they have for years... You can say its illusion, well tell that to The mistreated farm workers and employees in slaughterhouses and meat packing plants. No.. this is real its ugly and it affects you.
Putting food on your table requires a lot of hard work and effort and there is no way around it. Sorry there is no convincing me other wise...
A field hand is NOT a farmer. A field hand works as a field hand on a farm. Much the same way a dishwasher cannot be called a chef.. Apples and oranges.
I am certainly not saying that people that work with machines are Not farmers..Nor do I suspect the Amish think any body working with machines is not a farmer. Bottom line is anybody that has the balls to work the land for a living is a farmer... I do have expectations though that it be in a safe and healthy manner for the consumer. Please understand that when you buy food produced in the manner that is practiced by larger farm/ food producers, that it is deleterious to many many people and larger communities and the ecological balance...The food that you buy at the supermarket is based on bad science and a lot suffering to get that food on your table. Do the research. I am not kidding here...Did we as a country manifest this system of food production? I am definitely not convinced. Read the unsettling of America by Wendell Berry. I could go on for hours.. and probably have gone on for long enough... I hope you can understand that I am not necessarily doing this to be a pain in the arse rather that I am very very passionate about what I do and it incenses me to no end what is goiong on in the food supply.. I am not going to change my stance that farming is hard work ...but I do understand your points... I just happen to think that without having the experience doing this type of work it is impossible for you to make a statement that says farming is easy... not only is the work demanding, the making of a living doing farming is exceedingly challenging... Perhaps in all of your allowing you could allow for the possibility that I am correct and farming is hard....I probably would not do it if it were easy.

[garentee]

Now to bring the thread back where it was probably intended. I have been thinking about this a lot.....I believe that most if not all of our fears are illusions and come true very rarely. Think for a moment about all of the hysteria that occured when swine flu started making headlines(last year was it?)A whole lot of hysteria and fear was spread for what? Very little came of the swine flu.Same goes for Eastern Equine Encephalitis.. a disease spread by mosquitos after they bite an infected horse....There was so much hysteria and fear surrounding this disease a few years back in my neck of the woods that schools were canceling activities based on the hysteria. There was perhaps one or two deaths and cases of this disease around here, but the fear was unbelievable... same thing happened with the West Nile Virus a few years before. Point is that if your thoughts which were focused upon your fears and you were strongly focused upon the disease and you were convinced that you had the disease but did not, the theory around here is that you would manifest the disease... I strongly disagree with this theory.. As far as I have read it has to be in alignment with what the universe has in store for you. Basically as I understand it from a book I read written by Jerry and Ester Hicks you put in an order with the universe and if it is alignment with proper vibration it then manifests. Basically you are at the mercy(not the right word) of the Universe...There are things that can be manifested and things that cannot and it is up to the universe....At the end of the day what you fear is just an illusion sometimes based on a past experience or something you saw on the TV. None ... None at all of my irrational fears has ever come true. NONE OF THEM ... and believe me I put a LOT of focus on them.. and thought for sure they were coming.....or were already true. And they did not and will not because for the most part fear has a great acronym: Fear= False Evidence Acting REal.. Ok I go now.

[thebestlife]

Originally Posted by SmartAlx

I have heard on this forum that if you have fear in your manifestation that you won't get your manifestation at all.

I have also heard that if you have fear in your manifestation that you will get exactly what you fear.

I'd like some clarification on these two mutually exclusive contradictory statements.

Thanks.

To contribute to this interesting conversation: You get more of what you are vibrating (thinking and FEELING). We are all just vibration and by law of attraction we get more of what we are vibrating depending on the power of the emotion we are feeling.
The more emotional we are ,the more energy is being collected to manifest what you are in that moment thinking about.
So watch your emotions. You can always feel the amount of energy you are sending in the certain direction (towards your desires or fears ) in your body.
You feel fear energy in your gut and love energy in your heart. Its so noticeable when you are manifesting. You always feel a great emotion when you do it.

Hope this helps. The Hicks are really good at explaining the law of attraction. They have some great books out there and there is tons of videos on utube to watch to undersrand. YouTube - The Law of Attraction - Esther & Jerry Hicks - Part 1 of 5
Its very interesting , huge amount of information.

Everything is energy and the universe doesn't judge your thought or feelings, its just answering your vibrational asking.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by garentee

Perhaps in all of your allowing you could allow for the possibility that I am correct and farming is hard....I probably would not do it if it were easy.

I allow for your truth.. I'm just saying there is a easier way.. that's all this discussion has ever been.. perhaps in a few years if you have advanced along your spiritual path you should re-read your full statement above..

I find many limitations in it.. things you call real world facts I see as limitations (many of these limitations are judgments based on morality and methods/differences)

[garentee]

I find many limitations in it.. things you call real world facts I see as limitations (many of these limitations are judgments based on morality and methods/differences)[/QUOTE]
Specifically which ones are judgements based on morailty and methods/differences?