Hello steve/question about violence.

[Pi3rP0lJAKO]

Hello Steve,im yann,im 20 years old and i actually live in toulouse(south of france)
Before asking you my question,i would like to tell you that i discovered your website and your forum a week ago,and i dont want to crawl but im really impressed by the quality of your reflexions and ideas,and i'm trully surprised by your intelligence and also by some forumers who seem to be really "smart"!
Im not used to compliments but when i feel like doing it,i just do it!
Also it's really nice to find people who have same ways of thinking than you do because i often feel a bit lonely in my understanding of life.
Okay now this is done and forgive me if i dont express myself very subtly,i have to use a dictionnary for this post

So i started to integrate law of atraction above 2 years ago,and i can say that i was already before a very questioning guy but without any exageration ,since 2 years it haven't passed 2 minutes without a thought about all of this stuff,and very often it was question.Im constantly evolving in my thinking and understanding of life,and i have already seen nice results(healing myself physically,changing aspects of me,being trully stronger and happier...)

So here is a big question for me.Law of attraction,or power of thoughts,is now a complete part of me and i will probably never get back if you see what i mean about my basics beliefs about this.You have to understand that it's not only about being successful,rich or anything which isn't a priority for me but it's about the meaning of life,the sense of it and of my true deep goals.I'm ready to anything to improve,and i consider that this life is a precedent step before reaching a superior state.Im a very idealistic and inspired person and all these things means all to me.
So this is the question.LoA authors(abraham hicks,you...)says that we create all of our reality.Wich means that ANY things that comes to us is attracteds by us,and that everyone is the creator of his entire life.
So this thinking includes enormous consequences.
First of all it means that you are responsible for every thing that happens to you.So if you are getting stolen,agressed,raped....this is your fault.So if jewish people were mass murdered,this is,in some way their fault.Genocide are still happening,and there are more much recents exemples.So if i believe in Loa, i should do nothing about this except changing my thoughts and feelings and let all these actions happen without acting.In fact,it's like if i was disconnected from the rest of the world;it doesn't concern me.For exemple if im passing in a street where a girls get beaten and raped,this is the girl faults for beeing raped and this my fault for passing in the street where the girl is being raped.So basicly i should do nothing about this because the girl is responsible for her own life.
Do you realise the consequences of a such belief?This is to me ugly cowardness and selfishness.It is said that what you put resistance in get stronger.So french restistants,americans soldiers were wrong in the ww2?
Are policemen also wrong?
If you were living in bosnia in 1990,and if you were bosnian,would you have been trully so confident in loa that you would have totally ignored serbian actings,considering that nothing could happen to you because of the loa?(serbian massacred bosnians)
Now if you have kids or a wife,would you let your kids or wife being threatened without reacting violently because you believe in loa for them and for yourself?
In fact the dilemma is the following:
On one hand,we believe and loa and consider that focusing on how to defend ourselves,how to be agressive against a threat will only make it bigger and nothing can happen in our lifes if we dont attract it.So we just have to be as peaceful and full of love as possible,and everything is going to be shinny.
On the other hand,if we think this way,we could just be leading us to a total anawareness of the danger,making us very vulnerable and unconscient,also very selfish(in the bad side of the term).So in fact what we should do is reacting and using our intelligence to defend ourselves with the only way that trully works in these kinds of situation,unless you want to end like jesus did,violence and strength.
Thank you for reading me and i trully hope you will give me a lightning reply,because these conflicnting thoughts are very embarassing for me since many years.

[seeker5]

Originally Posted by Pi3rP0lJAKO

First of all it means that you are responsible for every thing that happens to you.

For exemple if im passing in a street where a girls get beaten and raped,this is the girl faults for beeing raped and this my fault for passing in the street where the girl is being raped.So basicly i should do nothing about this because the girl is responsible for her own life.

Under law of attraction and subjective reality, it would mean that if you pass by a girl who is being raped, you are the one who is causing her to be raped. So, it's up to you to do something about it (or not) , as you're the one who created that rape in the first place.

Check out this blog post by Steve: The Law of Attraction

[ethereal]

I think the key is that it is not "you" as a human ego that causes violence, but the big "You" or the Universal Mind/Consciousness of God that is creating it. Creating is a bad word, because it implies that there is a creator that is in charge and who we can blame for all the bad things in the world. It's more like, the Universal Mind/Consciousness provides the context and "energy" of creation and life that allows for individual human beings to live and with free will to choose their own experience. This free will, used wrongly, can create suffering and violence for others as well as for oneself.

Also, one must take into account the concept of Karma, which means that past negative decisions still have a big influence in our current lives, and attract situations that will "pay off" or dissolve that karma. It is usually our karma (or unconscious mind) that is attracting situations to us, and not our conscious mind. Until your consciousness reaches a certain point, LoA doesn't really operate (it does, but according to your unconscious mind). When your level of consciousness is high enough, only then can you use LoA to attract your experience of reality.

Anyway, to sum up..."I believe in God (or LoA) but I tie up my own camel."

[Pi3rP0lJAKO]

Originally Posted by seeker5

Under law of attraction and subjective reality, it would mean that if you pass by a girl who is being raped, you are the one who is causing her to be raped. So, it's up to you to do something about it (or not) , as you're the one who created that rape in the first place.

Check out this blog post by Steve: The Law of Attraction

yes that is what i meant when i said it was "my fault".
The problem for me is a sort of moral dilemma: am i so sure that i attract everything around me that i can give up my old way of thinking(and acting) which is i have to defend myself and others?i (we human beings) have to interact in other people lifes in order to maintain security ?

Let me explain:i strongly believe in loa,in our vibrational tone and that we attract what is on same frequency than us.
But do we attract EVERYTHING?so we dont have to worry about defending ourselves,our country our freedom...and we could definitively give up any sort of violence and control among others(which would be really heavenly,and i would really love it to be true,but the two logics are opposite)

ethereal,your theory is interesting but you dont reply to my question
in fact loa would be acting unconsciously until the point where you would become aware of it,is this what you mean?

[ethereal]

What I mean is, what gets attracted to you depends more on your karma (unconscious mind) than on your conscious mind. You can consciously think "I am rich" for your whole life, but if your karma sees to it that you need to be poor to learn some lessons, then LoA won't bring you money no matter how much you try to use it, until you changed your negative karma.

The karma of being human means that a variety of things can happen to you at all times. Natural disasters, war, disease, etc. is all a part of being human. Basically, all of us are "attracting" human outcomes to us, just because we are human.

LoA operates, but action is also part of that LoA. If violence is occurring and you have the ability to stop it, if you stop it then you are "attracting" a better, more loving, more peaceful world for everybody. And if you don't, then you're attracting a more violent (and more aloof/distant) world for yourself and others. Actions are just as powerful as thoughts in creating reality.

[Pi3rP0lJAKO]

well that's interesting but i dont agree with that
i just think we can change everything in our lives,if we want it and if we act in the correct way to change it,in accord with the universe,otherwise it would be senseless and in regard of what i know about astral body,mind power,physical world and reality plane i strongly believe it's not.
The problem is that very often,we don't want it to change,and this for several very bad reasons

[Acting Like Godot]

Your thoughts create your reality.

Your reality comprises many different things, including your own actions.

Your thoughts therefore create your actions.

In fact, behind every action of yours, there is a thought of yours.

Your actions are merely an expression of your thought.

To put it another way, your actions are a kind of thought. Your actions are not your own kind of thought, they are one kind.