Is it possible to go to another place without action/transport by just believing?

[Jack]

Is it possible to move to another place without action/transport by believing/having faith that we are at another place?Or is it "delusional thinking"?

I read a text,it was written that thinking/believing that we are in Chicago while we are in New York is "delusional thinking" and that reality implies limits.But for example,I have read and heard that there are people who are able to manifest physical objects out of thin air,also I have seen and know that there are people who are able to do telekinesis(moving objects without touching them),bend spoons.But they too might be called "delusional thinking" ,could be said that reality implied limits and that it was not possible to do it,before someone achieved them .

[ultraelite]

Well, just my personal point of view, I think it is extreme tough unless we are formless. We can't go somewhere without our whole body go. Eg, how do we define the word "you". A person consist of his hand, brain, leg, body and mind.. Soul too if any. Even if your soul manage to go to another place but you are actually not as the whole of you never go.
As for telekinesis, I have yet to see in my real eyes so personally I can't have any conclusion.

[themaster]

Reality rules/agreements can be bent/gotten around.. is it easy.. I did not say that.. I believe our shamans/wizards on the planet have it way easier than us when it comes to this..

But yes if you can see the illusion for what it is.. you can transport yourself to a different place and time or wherever... (there is a lot out there)

[Daffy Duck]

It may be possible, but it's extremely rare. So rare that you'll probably never meet anyone who can do it.

By the way, see this: BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Teleportation breakthrough made

[Brown Eyed Mystic]

The first thing that comes to my mind is an OBE here...Though I am not sure if any one in an OBE state has travelled some place to someone they know and confirmed about the occurence of things, observed while in the OBE state, later by asking them.

Must be very cool. I'll have to ask this from an advanced OBE'r though, this is sure food for thought.

[themaster]

So we're clear it isn't really you transporting yourself either.. it's you changing the nature of your own illusion vibrationally and allowing it around you.. there is a type of short circuit system in the reality generator but how you actually do that I don't exactly know

[Lamusa]

Originally Posted by Jack

Is it possible to move to another place without action/transport by believing/having faith that we are at another place?Or is it "delusional thinking"?

I read a text,it was written that thinking/believing that we are in Chicago while we are in New York is "delusional thinking" and that reality implies limits.But for example,I have read and heard that there are people who are able to manifest physical objects out of thin air,also I have seen and know that there are people who are able to do telekinesis(moving objects without touching them),bend spoons.But they too might be called "delusional thinking" ,could be said that reality implied limits and that it was not possible to do it,before someone achieved them .

It's absolutely possible! Our consciousness can only be limited by that which we choose to believe or not believe. The more we experiment with the infinite flexibility of consciousness, the more we are able to see that the reality we have bought into is one taught to us by people who we have allowed to control our imaginations. Sure people can transport themselves when they sleep but also in hypnagogic states or even when they are creating something artistically. If a writer writes a book set in New York in the 1930's and in reading that book you feel literally as if you are transported back to a time you weren't even alive to experience, does that mean that you didn't actually step right back into that time? Who's to say but you, really? Can these things be proven? In some instances, maybe, but probably more often than not, no. And who's courageous enough or confident enough in the flexibility of their consciousness to even check? Most of us fear being labeled crazy and delusional because that might mean getting put away, put on medication, losing resources, love and support. It feels easier to keep our minds from bending. I believe that the best proof is the kind that only YOU need. What I mean is, you must always trust your feelings about your own experiences.

Is this delusional thinking? Well, if society has not yet devised a way of opening itself up to the flexibility of consciousness and other realities, than it makes complete sense to me that we would have so much trouble understanding and accepting people who are caught up in other realities we simply may not have tuned into. So-called "delusional thinkers" are a threat to society and the way it functions. Their is vested interest in us staying focused on this reality that we perceive so that we can produce, produce, produce. Many modalities are designed to help us tame our flying imaginations, notice it, entertain its flights of fancy in order to learn how to quiet it so that we understand what they are showing us about our lives - but in an effort to squelch it just so we can cope. (I'm not talking about the concept of the "monkey mind," I'm talking about the "magic monkey mind" which flies from place to place and tends to travel much wider and deeper) But what would happen if we were allowed to let our "delusions" build bigger and brighter synapses in our brains so that we could realize our purposes and potentials as spirit beings flying and walking the earth.

This label of 'Delusional Thinking' is one of the unfortunate labels assigned to what remains of the legacy of our ancestors who knew their was hardly any line between the life we consciously notice and the lives and realities we encounter in our waking visions and dreams.

So a new quesition for us to ask oursevles might be, how many places have we "traveled" to already and now where can we intentionally, without limits, choose to go?

[joelr]

Originally Posted by Jack

Is it possible to move to another place without action/transport by believing/having faith that we are at another place?Or is it "delusional thinking"?

I read a text,it was written that thinking/believing that we are in Chicago while we are in New York is "delusional thinking" and that reality implies limits.But for example,I have read and heard that there are people who are able to manifest physical objects out of thin air,also I have seen and know that there are people who are able to do telekinesis(moving objects without touching them),bend spoons.But they too might be called "delusional thinking" ,could be said that reality implied limits and that it was not possible to do it,before someone achieved them .

Theoretically most metaphysical models of reality allow for it.
But the spoon benders and such, I've been looking for someone who really does that but everyone I investigate turns out to be fraud or highly suspicious.
Otherwise someone would simply move objects as a demonstration anytime anyplace and allow anyone to video it and would perform for some scientific studies.

[themaster]

Spoon benders have been examined by scientists.. rather than seek out people doing it.. I suggest you do it yourself..

have I tried myself? yes
have I succeeded? not yet, but I haven't tried very hard..

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Jack

Is it possible to move to another place without action/transport by believing/having faith that we are at another place?Or is it "delusional thinking"?

I read a text,it was written that thinking/believing that we are in Chicago while we are in New York is "delusional thinking" and that reality implies limits.But for example,I have read and heard that there are people who are able to manifest physical objects out of thin air,also I have seen and know that there are people who are able to do telekinesis(moving objects without touching them),bend spoons.But they too might be called "delusional thinking" ,could be said that reality implied limits and that it was not possible to do it,before someone achieved them .

I've read many past life hypnotic regressions where people recalled lives on alien worlds (and even lives on this one) where they were able to do things like that. Its a matter of seeing through the hierarchy of illusions that surround our perception of what is. The more you see, the more you can do. Awareness gives influence.

I absolutely believe it is possible. But there is something terrifying attached to powers such as these -- the death of the rules of your current reality. Its the same problem that I.M.ers run into in this reality when they start to get good at manifesting certain circumstances. It freaks them out. Power is great.......but there is little thing attached to power called "responsibility", which most do not desire so much.

Any sufficiently developed technology is indistinguishable from magic. And the ultimate technology is consciousness.

[Talkofthatown919]

i believe that it is possible. I visualize being in various place in the world. Sooner or later i start see things that represent them.

[Acting Like Godot]

Greetings ... The technical term for it is bilocation.

Bilocation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bizarre as it sounds, my wife has done it once, perhaps twice.

And you guys thought I was weird.

Other strange stuff that my wife is good at - having premonitions about people who are about to die. She has had those ever since she was a teenager. No relative of ours in the past 10 years has ever died, without my wife having a dream about it first.

[Dreamline]

It's possible but only a few avatars have mastered it. It's a near-Godlike power and probably not something I would waste my lifetime on trying to learn. Unless you are already nearer-Godlike than the rest of us.

Jennifer

[Daffy Duck]

ALG, can you tell us more about your wife's experiences with bilocation? That's very interesting.

[Brown Eyed Mystic]

Greetings ... The technical term for it is bilocation.

Bilocation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bizarre as it sounds, my wife has done it once, perhaps twice.

And you guys thought I was weird.

Other strange stuff that my wife is good at - having premonitions about people who are about to die. She has had those ever since she was a teenager. No relative of ours in the past 10 years has ever died, without my wife having a dream about it first.

Your wife has done that? Very weird and neat
Somehow, I've been thinking is it always so that 2 people with more "evolved" psyche in some way get hitched together...

[Acting Like Godot]

Well, the details are very long. But the nutshell version goes like this:

1. My wife fell ill with the flu, and she had to take medical leave and miss a very important meeting at work.

2. Later, I found my wife in a bit of a trance state. She didn't look asleep but she obviously wasn't quite awake either. I had to shake her a few times and call her name loudly before she responded.

3. She told me that she'd been doing "remote viewing". A method we learned in the Silva Method course. It's about projecting your consciousness to another place/time, and observing what goes on there.

4. My wife had tried projecting herself to the important meeting at work. Apparently it didn't work, because she saw/heard nothing. Or so she thought.

5. When she went back to work, the CEO came to update her about the meeting. Among other things, he said something like, "So guess what price they agreed to sell the company for?!". My wife just unthinkingly blurted out a very exact figure: "Oh, it was 23 point seven two million dollars."

The CEO looked dumbfounded, because this was supposed to be a sensitive piece of info, and only the small group of people at the meeting would have known. They weren't supposed to talk about it either. Only later did my wife realise that she wasn't supposed to have any way of knowing this figure either. But somehow she had known it - as if she had attended the meeting.

6. The next part is more interesting. Later in the day, my wife chatted with another colleague, and said that she'd had a flu for the past two days, that's why she hadn't been at work.

The colleague said, "But I saw you at work yesterday."

My wife said: "You must be mistaken. I've been at home resting."

The colleague grew perplexed and said, "I definitely saw you yesterday. You were sitting at your cubicle. I walked by twice and said hello to you, and both times you ignored me as if i wasn't there. As if you couldn't hear me."

Later there was another colleague who also said that he had seen my wife at work in the office that day. And he similarly said that my wife had been unusually quiet and had said nothing and just ignored him as if he wasn't there. He thought she was in a bad mood, so he decided not to try any further to talk to her. But he was very sure that he had seen her that day.

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This was the first incident of bilocation (maybe). Will tell you about the 2nd incident some other time.

Remote viewing is maybe related to bilocation.

(Sidenote on remote viewing: The US military had previously been interested in training its agents to do remote viewing (for espionage purposes). It ran a 10-year project on RV.)

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Brown Eyed Mystic

Somehow, I've been thinking is it always so that 2 people with more "evolved" psyche in some way get hitched together...

I've thought the same myself.

Also, it strikes me that the woman is usually the "natural" one, who has got some natural psychic or intuitive ability. The man is usually the one who needs to work at it; read books; practise hard; try different techniques etc.

[Daffy Duck]

Thanks for sharing ALG. That's pretty amazing!

[Acting Like Godot]

In the Silva Method course, we practise remote viewing first by using a familiar place.

For example, we are all in a studio somewhere, and then under the guidance of the Silva instructor, we all individually go to deep alpha. Next we each visualise standing in front of our own homes. Next we visualise opening the door and walking into the house and around the different rooms.

It's easy to visualise this, because you already know the place. You can consciously choose to picture specific details, eg the position of your sofa, the colour of your curtains, and so on.

The surprising thing is that as you do this, details can spontaneously pop up that you didn't mean to intentionally visualise. For example, suddenly you might "see" that the puppy is peeing on the left-hand side of the carpet in the living room. You hadn't intended to visualise this, but it just arises in your mind on its own.

Then you finish your Silva course, go home and you discover that hey, indeed there's puppy pee on the left-hand side of the carpet in the living room.

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As you grow more advanced in this skill, you can supposedly project yourself to places where you have very minimal knowledge. You do need enough "specifics" to pinpoint a location. Actually this same ability is the same ability that allows you to do things like long-range psychic diagnosis.

The fundamental elements, as I see it, are as follows:

(1) you have to know how to get to alpha or deep alpha;

(2) you have to fill in some specifics to pinpoint the space/time location of what you want to know about (eg "my home")

(3) importantly, you need to know how to hold your mind very still yet focused, and let impressions spontaneously arise in your mind. These impressions are actually the data and info that you're picking up.

[Brown Eyed Mystic]

Also, it strikes me that the woman is usually the "natural" one, who has got some natural psychic or intuitive ability. The man is usually the one who needs to work at it; read books; practise hard; try different techniques etc.

Aww poor man-you
Very interesting incident btw. Thanks for sharing.

[Takela]

hi alg, a nonsense question but i'm v curious. did your wife find out what her colleagues saw her wearing that day? work clothes? or pjs? i wonder how and what the other side sees – they weren't supposed to see her, right? i also wonder what would've happened if they had insisted on talking to her and had tried to tap her on the shoulder or something.

this seems like something to practise only with people we don't know. at least there wouldn't be a need for explanation if something weird happens. one can just vanish and leave the person with a spooky feeling. hmm... maybe that's what some ghost sightings really are?

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Greetings ... The technical term for it is bilocation.

Bilocation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bizarre as it sounds, my wife has done it once, perhaps twice.

And you guys thought I was weird.

Other strange stuff that my wife is good at - having premonitions about people who are about to die. She has had those ever since she was a teenager. No relative of ours in the past 10 years has ever died, without my wife having a dream about it first.

Hmmm, interesting you bring bilocation up.

I remember way back in jr. high I got out of detention once because my teacher said I was there. (I wasn't) I didn't think much of it at the time, but who knows...

I've also had other random events that close friends went to and swear I was present at. I've always found that curious.

And.....I too have dreamed about people dying, and had them actually die. How weird is that?

[themaster]

I've heard a similar story in our own Psychic forum too.. thanks for sharing ALG..

I believe in part this is what 4th density is to be about.. learning that our walls/materials are transmutable..

[Brown Eyed Mystic]

I believe in part this is what 4th density is to be about.. learning that our walls/materials are transmutable..

Yeah, a lil off topic but I've also known that not all ready to be gonna be a part of the 4/5 D, since not all are gonna be in the "required" vibration when it gradually happens...hmm....

[themaster]

Yah, know I'm not a expert on the idea 4th density

But if.. I had to make a general idea.. 1st of 4th density is going to be a different thing for everyone.. cause everyone is in a different reality and by my guestimate your wrong.. everyone in my reality is going to 4th density if I go..

Obviously if you don't wish to be in my reality.. then head on off to your own then

The teachers state "we're all going" but they also say some of us will become “stuck in eddies” so how that all works I don’t know.. don’t necessarily care anyway..

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Anagogy

I remember way back in jr. high I got out of detention once because my teacher said I was there. (I wasn't) I didn't think much of it at the time, but who knows...

I've also had other random events that close friends went to and swear I was present at. I've always found that curious.

Yeah, this is the uncontrolled version of bilocation. If you read more about the topic, you'll see that it most often happens this way, and also when it happens, it happens when the person is unwell or sick (like my wife was) and his everyday consciousness is somewhat affected (my wife was on some flu medication that made her feel woozy).

Now the deliberate and consistent kind of bilocation is of course much rarer and is limited to the super-duper spiritual types. One contemporary example is Sathya Sai Baba in India. There have been several accounts of how he is seen preaching and teaching in one location at a particular time, and yet later it is discovered that he was also seen preaching and teaching somewhere else at that same time.

Sathya Sai Baba - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There is a more sinister form of bilocation - known as doppelgangers. When these occur, these are sometimes said to be signs that the person is going to die soon . (The person whose mirror image appears elsewhere is the person who will die).

Doppelgänger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I mentioned that my wife had one, and maybe two experiences with bilocation. I've related one incident already.

The other incident really freaked me out at that time, because I thought it was a doppelganger kind of thing. Either that, or something to do with an evil spirit (at that time, I had not heard of the term bilocation - in fact, it was that incident that led me to do research and discover that there was such a phenomenon).

Anyway the 2nd incident happened like this.

1. My wife and I were in one part of our home (showering in our bathroom).

2. My son was just about 4 years old then.

3. What happened (according to his own account) was that he saw "Mummy" in the living room. He approached Mummy to ask her to get a certain toy for him.

4. To his surprise, "Mummy" completely ignored him and did not reply. He then tried to go and grab her arm or body or something. "Mummy" then glared fiercely at him and made an aggressive gesture towards him.

5. He was alarmed by this uncharacteristic behaviour by "Mummy". He started crying and went straight to the kitchen to tell my maid.

6. My maid said something like, "What's happening, dear?" and came out with the boy to see what was happening. Then my boy cried out in surprise surprise, "Mummy's gone!". The "mummy" had disappeared, all within the space of one or two seconds.

7. My maid reported that she then immediately went around the house to look for my wife. Well, she had definitely been with me in the bathroom all this time (which is a separate part of the house).

I'm not certain whether this is an example of bilocation or even doppelgangerism. I had known for some years already that there were some peculiar aspects about my home. Ghosts seemed to hang around the vicinity (I've written about it in other posts too). But if this was really some kind of entity, this incident was:

(1) the first time my son had actually seen one;
(2) the first time it had appeared as my wife.

I started looking for some kind of spiritual guru type to come cleanse my house straightaway .... Well that is a long story .....

But anyway everything is ok now.

[Acting Like Godot]

And actually since then, I've grown a lot more comfortable with the notion of ghosts.

[MacFly]

Not possible. I don't know what these responses can be about.

[Acting Like Godot]

Christian history has quite a number of interesting examples of bilocation. Quick list of saints who have reportedly bilocated:

St. Alphonsus Liguori
St. Anthony of Padua
St. Gerard Majella
St. Charles of St. Andrew (Mount Argus)
St. Pio of Pietrelcina
St. Severus of Ravenna
St. Ambrose of Milan, Maria de Agreda
St. Martin de Porres
Pope Cyril VI of Alexandria

Here's one example. Alphonsus Liguori is observed to go into a trance while preparing for Mass. When he comes out of the trance, he says that he had visited the bedside of the dying Pope Clement XIV.

His presence is later confirmed by those attending to the Pope despite his being four days travel away. All this time, Alphonsus Liguori has not appeared to have left his original location.

Historical examples are not confined to Christianity. They appear in Theosophy, Buddhism and Hinduism for instance. In Hinduism, bilocation is regarded as merely as one of several other types of unusual powers that can be developed through meditation and spiritual practice.

[Jack]

Thanks for your answers.

ALG,thanks for sharing your stories,I liked them,I believe they are real.