Unmanifesting

[demk]

What are your tecnhiques for undoing what has been done, letting go of situations so that they are gone, or letting go of ideas that could possibly manifest as undesirable consequences? What methods do you use for unmanifesting?

[Angela]

1. Acknowledge
2. Get the learnings
3. Give thanks
4. Switch perspective
5. Let it go

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by demk

What are your tecnhiques for undoing what has been done, letting go of situations so that they are gone, or letting go of ideas that could possibly manifest as undesirable consequences? What methods do you use for unmanifesting?

Simply understand that everything is ALWAYS in the process of changing. Things often seem like they aren't changing because they keep changing to the same thing, but make no mistake, change is always happening.

So if something has manifested in your life and you no longer want it, you simply need not focus on it anymore. Focus on something else, and as your awareness of it diminishes, so will it, and not just as some psychological trick, it will actually fall away from your life.

However, also realize there is momentum to thought, and accept that a long period of thinking negatively can "echo" for a while before the new vibrations take hold.

[Acting Like Godot]

Anagogy, you're so wise sometimes I just can't stand you. How dare you figure out all these things which I thought I was the only one around here to figure out.

Anagogy is right. Everything is impermanent. The reason is that your consciousness, your thoughts are always in flux. Since they are always in flux, and since they create reality, reality itself is unstable and always changing.

One thing to note is your deeper thought patterns. You can create a kind of undesirable situation, and then it eventually falls away. If the deeper thought patterns are still present though, it is a matter of time before they create a new yet similiar situation in your reality.

Eg you get out of one nasty relationship, only to find yourself in another. Or you leave one stressful job for a new job, only to find that it was as stressful as the previous one. Or you resolve one quarrel with a loved one, only to find yourself in a new quarrel with another loved one.

That kind of thing.

[demk]

Originally Posted by Anagogy

So if something has manifested in your life and you no longer want it, you simply need not focus on it anymore. Focus on something else, and as your awareness of it diminishes, so will it, and not just as some psychological trick, it will actually fall away from your life.

However, also realize there is momentum to thought, and accept that a long period of thinking negatively can "echo" for a while before the new vibrations take hold.

This seems to be my expeirence. I have found it takes time to really let the echos of the past diminish entirely. They are like memories fading over time - they dissappear as long as you don't keep thinking about them.

Do you have any specific practical advice for letting go of thoughts? What techniques do you use?

[demk]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

One thing to note is your deeper thought patterns. You can create a kind of undesirable situation, and then it eventually falls away. If the deeper thought patterns are still present though, it is a matter of time before they create a new yet similiar situation in your reality.

Eg you get out of one nasty relationship, only to find yourself in another. Or you leave one stressful job for a new job, only to find that it was as stressful as the previous one. Or you resolve one quarrel with a loved one, only to find yourself in a new quarrel with another loved one.

That kind of thing.

Thanks for the advice. How do you identify and release these deeper thought patterns? I have recently noticed that the karma that has manifested in my life has been related to what I have always thought of as my deepest fears, so maybe that has smething to do with it.

I feel like I have learned enough from the karma that has repeatedly come up in my life. My desire for Truth is so strong now that I don't need any more confusion to teach to what what I really need. I really want to clear out my mind completely because these type of karmic experiences are pointless confusion and a distraction from the Truth.

[demk]

Originally Posted by Angela

1. Acknowledge
2. Get the learnings
3. Give thanks
4. Switch perspective
5. Let it go

What are your techniques or processes for the letting things go part? How would you stop a worry about the future from repeatedly entering your mind for instance?

[Angela]

Originally Posted by demk

What are your techniques or processes for the letting things go part? How would you stop a worry about the future from repeatedly entering your mind for instance?

When I do the first four steps, the fifth one just happens all by itself, easily and effortlessly.

And the first four steps are easy as pie. The hardest part is remembering to do them!

[demk]

Originally Posted by Angela

When I do the first four steps, the fifth one just happens all by itself, easily and effortlessly.

Angela, Could you Please expand on what you mean by change perspective, perhaps with an example. Much appreciated. thanks a lot.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by demk

Angela, Could you Please expand on what you mean by change perspective, perhaps with an example. Much appreciated. thanks a lot.

Why don't you give me an example of something you'd like to let go of, and I'll tell you how I might shift my perspective on it in order to totally let it go.

[demk]

Originally Posted by Angela

Why don't you give me an example of something you'd like to let go of, and I'll tell you how I might shift my perspective on it in order to totally let it go.

I'm always worrying that people are going to accuse me of things I havent done and I see mental images of this happening all the time.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by demk

I'm always worrying that people are going to accuse me of things I havent done and I see mental images of this happening all the time.

Great. What will happen if they do?

[demk]

Originally Posted by Angela

Great. What will happen if they do?

I would just deal with it and get on with my life. The problem is that I can't stop thinking these things. How do I undo the thinking that projects these images onto the screen of my imagination and could potentially project these images into form as an actual experience? I see no point in going through anything like that at this stage in my development as I am completely focused on finding Truth. I just want to clean my lens of these thoughts before they get represented in form as an actual experience.

Also, do you have any tips or experiences with letting go of large chunks of stories about the world at once? What type of perspective shifts could allow you to dump massive amounts of the mind at once?

[ethereal]

Originally Posted by demk

I would just deal with it and get on with my life. The problem is that I can't stop thinking these things. How do I undo the thinking that projects these images onto the screen of my imagination and could potentially project these images into form as an actual experience? I see no point in going through anything like that at this stage in my development as I am completely focused on finding Truth. I just want to clean my lens of these thoughts before they get represented in form as an actual experience.

Also, do you have any tips or experiences with letting go of large chunks of stories about the world at once? What type of perspective shifts could allow you to dump massive amounts of the mind at once?

One easy way is to deconstruct the main trunk of your ego, the "I-thought" or the experiencer, and forget about the branches and leaves, which are all the small thoughts and pieces of your experience.

There are two perspective shifts that's been really helpful for me:

1) realizing that you cannot experience Reality, because it is beyond experience. Reality is not a subtle object of experience, contrary to what we may believe -- it's the transcendent, objectless awareness. Fully accepting this fact with your mind allows you to stop trying to seek/experience Reality and you detach from all experience altogether, because you realize experience is not what you are looking for and it will not take you to the Real. So it is like a paradox, fully accepting your failure brings you to success What I've felt after doing this is detachment from experience, energy blocks clearing, and more identification with awareness. Sometimes it will take you to formless awareness, like you are the space in which everything is happening -- but that is still experience, so you should let it go as well. However, I do not know how far you can take this, because I think this is still in the realm of egoic or reflected awareness, and not true awareness.

2) going beyond subject-object consciousness to nonduality: this is where I've experienced the largest clearings of the mind and energy system. I've described this in this thread.

Hope this helps!

[Angela]

Originally Posted by demk

I would just deal with it and get on with my life.

Yeah, you would, wouldn't you? You'd handle it, wouldn't you. As it is, you're deliberately inducing pain now by thinking thoughts about something that wouldn't even really be that painful in the future, if they did happen, which they might not. Does that strike you as a little, well, insane?

The problem is that I can't stop thinking these things.....

You can't, huh? Can you stop thinking about that time you were embarrassed by something that happened when you were in grade school? Who gets to choose what you focus on, if not you?

Someone told me something last week that really resonated for me: EVERYBODY has stuff to be anxious about, and the difference between people who are successful and those who aren't is that the successful people focus on what they want, and unsuccessful people focus on what they don't want.

If you've been practicing believing thoughts like "Someone might at any second accuse me of something I didn't do!" then it may take some focused practice to think, "Yeah, and so what?! If they do, I'll handle it!" and gently redirect your focus back towards what you want.

You might also want to do The Work by Byron Katie on it -- it sounds like you might get some real value out of "turning it around."

Also, do you have any tips or experiences with letting go of large chunks of stories about the world at once? What type of perspective shifts could allow you to dump massive amounts of the mind at once?

As a matter of fact, now that you mention it... That's what I do with TIME Techniques -- in two hours, you release all of your old, stored-up negative emotions, and you let go of limiting decisions that have had you telling large chunks of stories about the world -- stories that have kept you from having more choice and opportunity in your life. TIME Techniques is all about perspective shift, and indeed it allows you to dump massive amounts of old gunk all at once. I highly recommend it!

[demk]

Originally Posted by ethereal

One easy way is to deconstruct the main trunk of your ego, the "I-thought" or the experiencer, and forget about the branches and leaves, which are all the small thoughts and pieces of your experience.

There are two perspective shifts that's been really helpful for me:

1) realizing that you cannot experience Reality, because it is beyond experience. Reality is not a subtle object of experience, contrary to what we may believe -- it's the transcendent, objectless awareness. Fully accepting this fact with your mind allows you to stop trying to seek/experience Reality and you detach from all experience altogether, because you realize experience is not what you are looking for and it will not take you to the Real. So it is like a paradox, fully accepting your failure brings you to success What I've felt after doing this is detachment from experience, energy blocks clearing, and more identification with awareness. Sometimes it will take you to formless awareness, like you are the space in which everything is happening -- but that is still experience, so you should let it go as well. However, I do not know how far you can take this, because I think this is still in the realm of egoic or reflected awareness, and not true awareness.

2) going beyond subject-object consciousness to nonduality: this is where I've experienced the largest clearings of the mind and energy system. I've described this in this thread.

Hope this helps!

Thanks a lot. This seems like exaclty what I needed. I am going to sit with the questions you pose in this thread and generally read it when I am in more of an inquiry mode, which generaly happens in the late evening for me. Thanks again.

[demk]

Originally Posted by Angela

You might also want to do The Work by Byron Katie on it -- it sounds like you might get some real value out of "turning it around."

As a matter of fact, now that you mention it... That's what I do with TIME Techniques -- in two hours, you release all of your old, stored-up negative emotions, and you let go of limiting decisions that have had you telling large chunks of stories about the world -- stories that have kept you from having more choice and opportunity in your life. TIME Techniques is all about perspective shift, and indeed it allows you to dump massive amounts of old gunk all at once. I highly recommend it!

I love The Work of Byron katie. Over the past day or so I've been experiemnting with letting go of these thoughts by simply saying...

That thought is the cause of that happening.

I have found that if you just keep reminding yourself of this type of metaphysics you get a bit of an energy release. Over time you tend to not the think those style of thoughts as much until they finally dissapear completely.

I may try tour TIME technique one day. Thanks for all your help.