Manifesting a specific person and darkworking...

[Willworker]

I've noticed a lot of people saying that its impossible to manifest a specific person, or that it is a waste of energy. I would just like to say that I tried this out and, well, this is not true. Its the same as any other manifestation. If you doubt yourself, then it will not happen. If you follow the rules of general manifestation, then the universe will find a way to help you make it happen.

Everything is possible, and the only person who can get in your way is yourself.

I should note that this was in fact, one of my first attempts at manifestation - although I realized quickly from my past that I had incredible success at manifestation, even if it was not to my liking(quite often, I imagined, pictured and experienced the exact disasters I feared - often by removing my attachment to it, as well, and thus perfectly manifestly my very horror). Its amazing how effective I could be at making myself utterly miserable.

I am also pretty much a solid darkworker, but I should add that even darkworking uses love as an energy. This is usually an intense and intent love of oneself, but I feel that its important that love is used at any rate. Its my opinion that darkworking is more powerful at manifestation(my past success is amazingly accurate, if often unpleasant), but may have consequences.

I would advise other darkworkers to make /some/ attempt at selflessness to avoid a truly unpleasant karmic backlash. This doesn't mean surrendering to universal love, which will weaken you - but rather to put some effort in rewarding people who will directly assist you. If someone has been your loyal confederate and ally, throw a few kibbles or listen to him sometime. Universal love is...pretty unhealthy if you want to maintain power, but engendering your own base is not.

[pyrogen]

It's a waste of time when the person doesn't know you're alive, IMO, or is in a relationship with someone else. By "waste of time" I mean that it might be so difficult that it might not be worth your bother. And the only moral problem I have is if they're already with someone else.

LOAing a partner isn't any different from using conventional means to get someone's attention. You're not subverting anyone's will. You're basically hanging out your shingle and saying, "Open For Business". It's the same as placing a personal ad.

I went "sleeper" in my last relationship attempt. I allowed my insecurities, lower drives and emotions to totally take over and drive the car.

If I had actually attempted to intend him to fall in love with me, and had absolute faith in my abiities, I would have had quite a lot more "inner game". My premature expectations would have gone into the intention and "burned off", and I would have been much more "present" to him and the relationship rather than gazing at him with big moon eyes on the third date.

I'm not crying. Why? My relationship with the world is a wizard's relationship. I attempt to engage my universe playfully, and as a student. This means at times inviting pain and hurt. I know that I may need to make several attempts before I get it right.

My experience with magick is that it often "burns off" excess emotion and drive and calibrates you back down to a regular level of energy when dealing with conventional matters. It's an effective way of dealing with obsessive feelings.

My belief is that it isn't even possible to affect another person's will using passive (LOA and magickal) methods alone. Anton LaVey summed this up the best of all authors, IMO; he very much implied that you had to use direct, active manipulation.

By using passive methods, the most you're doing is pointing your sail into the wind. Now, I won't argue with this; it's actually far more powerful than most conventional "sleeper" methods of doing things. You are basically intending to get the person's attention, but the decision they make about you is ultimately theirs.

I'm starting to believe that segment intending (ala Abraham Hicks) may actually be a better process for relationships than intending an end result.

My last debacle points that out.

I manifested him successfully - he showed up the very next morning in my inbox, after I used my Will, and was a perfect match of my intended partner in almost every detail.

However, when we started dating, we had a very major timeline issue. I was already halfway through the book of our relationship in my mind and he was still on the first page.

My understanding in segment intending is that you do see the end result, but you are doing your intention in stages. Instead of manifesting a husband (although that's a reasonable long term goal) I could have treated this in stages:

1) Manifest meeting people who I might find attractive and interesting, who fit my list
2) Manifest dating some of those people
3) Manifest getting serious with one of them... etc. etc.

I am actually of the belief, in fact, that you SHOULD try to LOA specific people provided you do it in such a way that does not feed your fixation. But IMO most actual energetic magick does not. An effective working is often the one that you forgot you did.

I also want to add that I'm aligned with neither Dark nor Light. I'm Chaos. This is a concept you see in Chaos Magick and Taoism, and you won't really find much about it in mainstream New Age/PD/LOA circles. The trouble with working from the Will is that it's still pretty rooted in the Self, even if you have one bad ass mofo Holy Guardian Angel that you have one great knowledge and conversation with (oh, btw, google "yidam"; this is an example of how this concept is handled by a tradition that is pretty purely Lightwork). As Self, you're only working from... yourself. Why limit yourself to that when you can channel all the power of creation and tap into limitless possibilities? Thinking for example that this one person is your true wuv, is an example of being too rooted in Self. You're being rigid. There are probably millions of BETTER possibilities out there. (Hard for me to accept, admittedly, lol.) To me, the very best working has always come from an expanded view of the universe, by pointing my sails into the wind - flowing with the direction of things, rather than fighting the current. The most effective LOA tends to be the ones that act as course corrections that steer you back into the current.

And the concept of Universal Love is just as egoic as Will, if not more.

I came to this conclusion after discovering that trying to go too far down the dark path actually made me a lightworker, and too far down the light path actually made me a darkworker. My own study and reflection led me to believe there was a force beyond each, which both bled into, and that's my alignment.

This does not mean I'm unpolarized. But I switch back and forth sometimes to do a working that's polarized. Google "paradigm piracy". Anything's a tool, even alignment.

[Willworker]

I suspect that you could try one thing differently - instead of manifesting yourself as being in love, just manifest him as being in love with you, needing you, etc. And even if they're in a relationship with someone else, relationships can fail or be broken all the time, or people cheat. I've encouraged and enjoyed the latter at least twice.

But yes, attachment to the result feeds doubt which defeats the entire purpose. And for all my potential lack of energy to use, I don't seem to particular dislike the sense of power or control. Its quite often that I get the specific desire but not my actual goal - an inevitable result on focusing, perhaps too much on the symbols rather than an end goal(I want XYZ girl, not a happy relationship!), but it still is rather a enjoyable ride.

[gigij]

Originally Posted by Willworker

And even if they're in a relationship with someone else, relationships can fail or be broken all the time, or people cheat. I've encouraged and enjoyed the latter at least twice.

I am really new to this forum - but it does seem that most people believe that you can not manifest a specific person. You can - it works. And yes, people do cheat - all the time. So it really doesn't make any difference what kind of relationship they are in - anything can happen

[Willworker]

I suspect a lot of the difficulty with specific comes from internal conflict - in my past, for example, I would often try to envision being in love with a certain girl and desperately wanting her approval. Rather unsurprisingly, I was extremely successful in manifesting unrequited love with that particular girl as my ever-loving universe gave me just what I wanted: desperately seeking approval while being in love!

Another qualm is that there's a fundamental sense of 'this isn't right!' which, of course, is easier for us darkworkers. Anything that makes us happy is right, so that particular block is avoided.

Its so much easier with new people since we work on a cleaner emotional slate, and thus have fewer opportunities to sabotage ourselves.

Manifesting a specific person just takes a little bit more strength and discipline. As with all things, in the end, you're most bond by the limitations that you set upon your own mind.

[gigij]

Perhaps it is trying to manifest 'love' that is the problem. I have never tried that one - the only thing that I have done with specific people is to manifest them into my ... um ... life

[Willworker]

Hilarity.

I do suppose its a bit harder for darkworkers to work that particular emotion. Perhaps I should try your method instead