Deception, Reality and Other Illusions

[Strem2]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

There are other interesting features to my uncle's scenario.

One is that he received plenty of warnings. For example, his own siblings (including my mother) had been strenuously telling him for many months that there was something wrong with the business venture. Now, if we accept that a person attracts all of his own experiences, then we see that my uncle must have been attracting these continuous warnings from his siblings.
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Or, this is why Wallace Wattles says to "tell no one". The doubts expressed by your uncles friends and relatives caused some doubt, and the doubt was what "popped" the illusory bubble.

[Strem2]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

...Instead the optimal intention you should be working out is "I have more time for my personal life."

The successful manifestation of this intention then leads automatically to other good things in your reality, including a satisfying love relationship.

Be careful of this specific one. The last time I manifested more time to build an income independent of a JOB, I was let go. And this was after two absolutely perfect audits, and after surviving 3/10 staff on maternity leave with no loss of income for the corp! I was feeling on top of the world when I was let go. I know that it was because I was internally complaining about the time and energy that the job was taking.

I wanted time, and I got it.

[Strem2]

And I had an illusion experience.... I have been working toward inspiration to increase the visitors to my website. I wanted to break the 200 unique visitors/day barrier, and I did, but only once for one day.

This is a little different. This is about asking in an imprecise way.

I was also manifesting "earning" a specific income for May, and I didn't get it. I tried again for June, and I didn't get it. Then I realized that I was asking to "earn" rather than to receive.... I worked really hard and no doubt "earned" it.....

[ellie]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

In seeking to manifest our intentions, we therefore have to pay attention to our deeper, underlying thought patterns, especially if we want to make a relatively longer-lasting change in our reality.

It doesn't matter so much if we just want a quick, convenient fix. For example, suppose that for many years, you have been constantly in and out of jobs, and right now, you have lost your job again and your immediate priority is to get a new job. A quick, intense burst of IM sessions could well be sufficient to net you a new job out of the blue.

But if what you really want is to get a job and hold it for a long time, then you need to fix the deeper underlying thought pattern which has been causing you to lose jobs through the years. Otherwise, even if you get a new job with a quick dash of LOA, your deeper underlying thought pattern will soon reassert itself again, causing you to lose your new job.

I found this concept quite interesting but I still don't quite get what your saying. So what exactly would you suggest is the best steps for someone that keeps going in and out of jobs, but would like to have a long permanent secure job, that they enjoy. What should ones thought patterns steps be to achieve the best outcome?

[viking4525]

Originally Posted by ellie

I found this concept quite interesting but I still don't quite get what your saying. So what exactly would you suggest is the best steps for someone that keeps going in and out of jobs, but would like to have a long permanent secure job, that they enjoy. What should ones thought patterns steps be to achieve the best outcome?

I know you have asked Acting Like Godot, but I thought I would make some suggestions to see if any of them "trigger" anything inside of you ...

I would suggest following on as I completely agree with Acting Like Godot is look "deep" inside of yourself. Using the same analogy what is it about the jobs you have that you keep cycling through; boredom, uncertainty whether you "deserve" the job etc, what is the "thought" and its associated "feeling". That is the indicator of the "patterning" that you would keep cycling. Then work out why you have that thought and feeling. What has happened in your past to have "embedded" that. If its a truly subconscious, automated pattern you have, go to your childhood before the age of 7 (because thats when a "critical factor" is formed and allows us to "filter" our experiences), then its time to work on "that".

You see our "experiences" will form our "beliefs" because that what our "left sided brain" activity/logic base will do. However this "egoic" limitation in all of us stops us from accepting anything else other than what we can logically define/understand etc. So I/M, The Process etc is all to do with "bypassing" these limitations.

For all of us, the "negative" experiences in our lives are "buried" deep, and we keep covering them but they will always come out in our lives, somehow, someway ... probably in the most bizarre ways, but will always do until we "deal" with them.

So you could just put a "positive face" on your beliefs, when you "perform" visualisations or whatever model you have chose for The Process, but as Acting Like Godot says, you will get a quick fix, but you will continually cycle through.

Again just suggestions ... always follow your intuition/gut instinct, it will never lie to you.

[ellie]

Originally Posted by viking4525

I know you have asked Acting Like Godot, but I thought I would make some suggestions to see if any of them "trigger" anything inside of you ...

I would suggest following on as I completely agree with Acting Like Godot is look "deep" inside of yourself. Using the same analogy what is it about the jobs you have that you keep cycling through; boredom, uncertainty whether you "deserve" the job etc, what is the "thought" and its associated "feeling". That is the indicator of the "patterning" that you would keep cycling. Then work out why you have that thought and feeling. What has happened in your past to have "embedded" that. If its a truly subconscious, automated pattern you have, go to your childhood before the age of 7 (because thats when a "critical factor" is formed and allows us to "filter" our experiences), then its time to work on "that".

You see our "experiences" will form our "beliefs" because that what our "left sided brain" activity/logic base will do. However this "egoic" limitation in all of us stops us from accepting anything else other than what we can logically define/understand etc. So I/M, The Process etc is all to do with "bypassing" these limitations.

For all of us, the "negative" experiences in our lives are "buried" deep, and we keep covering them but they will always come out in our lives, somehow, someway ... probably in the most bizarre ways, but will always do until we "deal" with them.

So you could just put a "positive face" on your beliefs, when you "perform" visualisations or whatever model you have chose for The Process, but as Acting Like Godot says, you will get a quick fix, but you will continually cycle through.

Again just suggestions ... always follow your intuition/gut instinct, it will never lie to you.

No that's good viking. I was going to write down what my limiting beliefs in my post above as I know them quite well But yes the problem is I haven't quite figured out how to go deep enough. I know I can do it (as I have started to crack the code to some things). I know it's not just not the fact that I have bad luck, I truly know it's about me putting blockers on and I need to learn to relinquish of those limiting thoughts.

So this is what goes on in my mind:
1. I hate authority, people watching me, looking over my shoulder etc (I think this stems from me growing up as a Jehovah's Witness and being forced by people that I felt were evil to do things I didn't want to do. All these people had high positions in the religion and I hated their ideas and how they manipulated people's minds). Because I hate authority I tend to become really timid around authority and since most work places are surrounded by people in authority I block myself from wanting to work in any corporate workplace.

2. I always find an excuse to why I wont properly in a role, because obviously I don't think I am good enough, but it also ties in with the first point, where I use this plus the point above to justify why I wont work well in a corporate job.

3. I have had bad experiences in the workplace where nasty people have reduced my self esteem to a real low. The problem was I was never strong enough to stand up for myself, but naturally I like to fight for justice, so I was going against who I really was by not standing up for myself, which in turn made my esteem even lower.

I am sure there are other things, but these are the thoughts that stand out at this moment.

For the record I am working and I am quite happy in the jobs (yes I have a few) I'm in. But I feel these jobs are now here to help allow me to go into my next phase. They allow me to be relaxed enough, to explore who I am and be keep my happiness consistent from day-to-day. I do believe I manifested these jobs to help me to get to this point and allow me to explore who I am. I just want things more secure and I no longer want multiple jobs as I think they have almost outrun their purpose.

[viking4525]

Originally Posted by ellie

No that's good viking. I was going to write down what my limiting beliefs in my post above as I know them quite well But yes the problem is I haven't quite figured out how to go deep enough. I know I can do it (as I have started to crack the code to some things). I know it's not just not the fact that I have bad luck, I truly know it's about me putting blockers on and I need to learn to relinquish of those limiting thoughts.

So this is what goes on in my mind:
1. I hate authority, people watching me, looking over my shoulder etc (I think this stems from me growing up as a Jehovah's Witness and being forced by people that I felt were evil to do things I didn't want to do. All these people had high positions in the religion and I hated their ideas and how they manipulated people's minds). Because I hate authority I tend to become really timid around authority and since most work places are surrounded by people in authority I block myself from wanting to work in any corporate workplace.

2. I always find an excuse to why I wont properly in a role, because obviously I don't think I am good enough, but it also ties in with the first point, where I use this plus the point above to justify why I wont work well in a corporate job.

3. I have had bad experiences in the workplace where nasty people have reduced my self esteem to a real low. The problem was I was never strong enough to stand up for myself, but naturally I like to fight for justice, so I was going against who I really was by not standing up for myself, which in turn made my esteem even lower.

I am sure there are other things, but these are the thoughts that stand out at this moment.

For the record I am working and I am quite happy in the jobs (yes I have a few) I'm in. But I feel these jobs are now here to help allow me to go into my next phase. They allow me to be relaxed enough, to explore who I am and be keep my happiness consistent from day-to-day. I do believe I manifested these jobs to help me to get to this point and allow me to explore who I am. I just want things more secure and I no longer want multiple jobs as I think they have almost outrun their purpose.

Fantastic. I mean its great that you have identified the "blockers" or the "resistors" in your current life situation.

Yes I agree that we all manifest the "situations" to help us "face" what we must face and see the "fear" actually fall away when we eventually have the self realisation that there is no "fear" per se.

All I would further suggest is to "be easy on yourself". Don't set "timelines" in your "logical" mind, but deal with the blockers as and when you "feel" ready for them. Be aware of which "voice" you are listening to inside, either the emotional "monkey chatter" of the "egoic/logical" mind finding the lists of positives/negatives for "solutions" to your blockers. Or the quiet/peaceful voice of your intuition "guiding" you to decisions/action/or whatever is YOU desire.

It sounds like you are dealing with the resistors already so there is no further suggestions that I could make to faciliate you further. There are some "courses" for this part ... but put simply (in my experience) when you can find it honestly possible to "forgive", "love" and "allow/accept" the people/situations etc that helped form your blockers, you will be truly free and at peace.

Well done, again be gentle with yourself, keep going, and find that "knowing" which is the "power" behind the manifestations in your life.

[this is fun]

Originally Posted by ellie

I need to learn to relinquish of those limiting thoughts.

I can relate to this. In addition to other things, I tried a funny experiment once with some of my limiting beliefs that I had discovered.
Every time my inner voice would start telling me negative things 'you are this, you are that', I would turn it into a shrill high-pitched parrot's 'voice'
And it worked, I couldn't take it seriously and I just dismissed what it said.
Of course, I'm not saying all limiting beliefs are to be dealt with in this manner, but I was so tired of being 'serious' when it came to dealing with them.

viking4525 explained everything much better, but I'd just like to add something about the part where he says to "be easy on yourself". I started listening to a guided meditation, being a beginner it was very difficult for me to stay focused for a longer period, but what helped me was when the guy said '' your mind is like a puppy, it wanders off Pick it up and put it right back, be gently with it' So I guess it can be applied to anything, when negative beliefs pop into your head try to steer them to more positive ones, its' a process , so be gentle with yourself.

Good luck!

[ellie]

Yep what I don't know how to get to is, letting go of these thoughts in my subconscious mind. I mean I can say, "be gone bad thoughts" but I know that is not going to actually get rid of my way of thinking. It's the thoughts in my mind that I do not even realise I am saying to myself that I need to get hold of.

So what do I do, do I look at an old scenario situation that has effected me in the past and has been imprinted in my mind for years and years and analyze how I could of handled the situation in a better manner? Well actually that's what I do really, I mean I go over and over a situation and kind fight it out aloud to what in reality I would of really like to have said.

But really I want to know how I just really let go accept it for what it was and then not make it part of who I become.

[viking4525]

Originally Posted by ellie

Yep what I don't know how to get to is, letting go of these thoughts in my subconscious mind. I mean I can say, "be gone bad thoughts" but I know that is not going to actually get rid of my way of thinking. It's the thoughts in my mind that I do not even realise I am saying to myself that I need to get hold of.

So what do I do, do I look at an old scenario situation that has effected me in the past and has been imprinted in my mind for years and years and analyze how I could of handled the situation in a better manner? Well actually that's what I do really, I mean I go over and over a situation and kind fight it out aloud to what in reality I would of really like to have said.

But really I want to know how I just really let go accept it for what it was and then not make it part of who I become.

I would only suggest this: look for the acceptance and allowing of the "situation" and of the "people" involved in the situation that happened to you.

The more you try and identify/disidentify with the people and situations the "more" you will imprint that onto your subconscious. Some situations in peoples lives have been so hard that "professionals" will either prescribe medication to help "forget", or other "professionals" will "reprogram" the events etc. So this is why my suggestion is to allow and accept. Depending where you are in your "journey" with I/M you will come to understand that "everything" thats happend has come to you because at some "level" you have desired it, also everything that has happened has got you to this very point now.

If its difficult to find acceptance and allowance of the people and the situations, then first find acceptance and allowance of your feelings "inside" of you. That is the first point. Not to be frustrated, irritated because you have the feelings you do (maybe OF frustration and irritation), by accepting and allowing them, you will find their intensity will reduce (for instance if you concentrate on your breathing or your heartbeat, you will notice they will slow down). Then once you are finding the acceptance and allowance of your own feelings, you will feel a certain sence of "peace" start to enter you, then at this point look to acceptance and allowance of the situation and the people etc.

As always, this is just suggestions, if any of it "feels right" to you, then try it, if not follow whatever your intuition guides you to.

[this is fun]

Originally Posted by ellie

I mean I can say, "be gone bad thoughts" but I know that is not going to actually get rid of my way of thinking. It's the thoughts in my mind that I do not even realise I am saying to myself that I need to get hold of.

I felt similar, a lot of mind chatter. It went something like this: a negative thought would come up, and I would consciously try to get rid of it, of course when I tried to resist that thought I just created more struggle, then I would be angry or frustrated because I failed. And voila, the vicious circle continues.

I don't know if this is how you feel too but at first I felt that if I could just observe a thought it would right away dissolve away right there and forever. But that thought/inner voice would come up again, and I felt discouraged. I realized I wanted to fix and solve everything right away in a first try, and if that wasn't the case it must have meant I wasn't able to do it like other people.
Then I started reading Tolle and The Power of Now. First I decided to take baby steps and to only observe when a negative thought/feeling would come up. And nothing else, just acknowledge it and say 'okay, I feel angry now, or I feel sad now', without trying to get rid of it. And I was persistent. And then a change began to happen, I could observe my feelings without being consumed by them, I would get angry, say 'ok, I'm angry' but that anger wouldn't take me over. Just to be able to do that has helped me tremendously because I feel much more at peace right now.

Sorry if I'm rambling or it seems confusing, but I was in the same situation, so maybe some of it can help you..or not. Later I realized that what I was (probably subconsciuosly) looking for was a formula, a technique which would work instantly. Someone would write something and I would get an 'aha' moment, and I just kept reading about it instead of doing it and experimenting.

Originally Posted by ellie

So what do I do, do I look at an old scenario situation that has effected me in the past and has been imprinted in my mind for years and years and analyze how I could of handled the situation in a better manner? Well actually that's what I do really, I mean I go over and over a situation and kind fight it out aloud to what in reality I would of really like to have said.

A friend of mine is an NLP trainer and she uses some techniques that helped her clients in cases like that, playing old scenarios over and over again. So, you might want to look into that.

[ellie]

Originally Posted by this is fun

I felt similar, a lot of mind chatter. It went something like this: a negative thought would come up, and I would consciously try to get rid of it, of course when I tried to resist that thought I just created more struggle, then I would be angry or frustrated because I failed. And voila, the vicious circle continues.

I don't know if this is how you feel too but at first I felt that if I could just observe a thought it would right away dissolve away right there and forever. But that thought/inner voice would come up again, and I felt discouraged. I realized I wanted to fix and solve everything right away in a first try, and if that wasn't the case it must have meant I wasn't able to do it like other people.
Then I started reading Tolle and The Power of Now. First I decided to take baby steps and to only observe when a negative thought/feeling would come up. And nothing else, just acknowledge it and say 'okay, I feel angry now, or I feel sad now', without trying to get rid of it. And I was persistent. And then a change began to happen, I could observe my feelings without being consumed by them, I would get angry, say 'ok, I'm angry' but that anger wouldn't take me over. Just to be able to do that has helped me tremendously because I feel much more at peace right now.

Sorry if I'm rambling or it seems confusing, but I was in the same situation, so maybe some of it can help you..or not. Later I realized that what I was (probably subconsciuosly) looking for was a formula, a technique which would work instantly. Someone would write something and I would get an 'aha' moment, and I just kept reading about it instead of doing it and experimenting.



A friend of mine is an NLP trainer and she uses some techniques that helped her clients in cases like that, playing old scenarios over and over again. So, you might want to look into that.

Oh no, it's all helpful. I understand where you are coming from. I am starting to do what you talk about. I am starting to observe without being consumed. Lately it's been "it is what is, and I just have to let it's run it's course". Going though one of those breakdown moments in your life where you just let go of caring, helps to do that Me worrying about it or having negative thoughts is certainly not going to help. Not always but I am trying.

Although I do sometimes think me subconsciously worrying and getting worked up about things makes me thinks that it will somehow that will change the situation (which I know is actually ridiculous).

Thanks Viking as well your words were very helpful too.